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Magpie26 wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 6:11 pm
Enzedder wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 5:48 pm I have no doubt that we would play the Boks here in NZ - but for the same reason we cannot play the game in SA, they cannot play here.

I am not going to blame either Union - Covid sucks.
The game was supposedly going to be played in Dubai.
The AB's would still need to quarantine 14 days on their return to NZ.

Agree with Enz, the logistics combined with covid is the problem.
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booji boy wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 11:42 pm
Magpie26 wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 6:11 pm
Enzedder wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 5:48 pm I have no doubt that we would play the Boks here in NZ - but for the same reason we cannot play the game in SA, they cannot play here.

I am not going to blame either Union - Covid sucks.
The game was supposedly going to be played in Dubai.
The AB's would still need to quarantine 14 days on their return to NZ.

Agree with Enz, the logistics combined with covid is the problem.
Well, that plus the likelihood the Saffas would pull out at the last minute citing not enough playing time to be able to play.
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guy smiley wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 11:59 pm
booji boy wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 11:42 pm
Magpie26 wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 6:11 pm
Enzedder wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 5:48 pm I have no doubt that we would play the Boks here in NZ - but for the same reason we cannot play the game in SA, they cannot play here.

I am not going to blame either Union - Covid sucks.
The game was supposedly going to be played in Dubai.
The AB's would still need to quarantine 14 days on their return to NZ.

Agree with Enz, the logistics combined with covid is the problem.
Well, that plus the likelihood the Saffas would pull out at the last minute citing not enough playing time to be able to play.
No way for that. There have been numerous competitions played since hard lockdown
Regarding the14 day quaranteen period. Was the reason that the ABs don't want to do the 14 day quarenteen period or that they won't have enough player power to take on Fiji when 23 players are in quarenteen a week later?
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Midfieldmaestro wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 5:43 pm 20 July 2019 Cape Town springboks 35 wallabies 17
now notice the 7 days later and venues
27 July 2019 Wellington springboks 16 all blacks 16
To counter the week later game the springboks split into basically 2 teams

the springbok team below were not the same team that played the week before in SA
https://youtu.be/8LEFUIFXXP4
They rested most of the starting XV against Aus but there were still 10 of the 23 man team who played in both games
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ZuluBoy wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 1:02 am No way for that. There have been numerous competitions played since hard lockdown
Regarding the14 day quaranteen period. Was the reason that the ABs don't want to do the 14 day quarenteen period or that they won't have enough player power to take on Fiji when 23 players are in quarenteen a week later?
Well, firstly anyone would be mad to enter into any sort of agreement with SA rugby these days because we all know they'll find any reason to bail out and forfeit any agreement and then strut around like one legged roosters trying to blame everyone else for their own failings.

Then there's the 14 days quarantine thing that would have ruined the ABs domestic schedule.
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guy smiley wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 5:11 am
ZuluBoy wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 1:02 am No way for that. There have been numerous competitions played since hard lockdown
Regarding the14 day quaranteen period. Was the reason that the ABs don't want to do the 14 day quarenteen period or that they won't have enough player power to take on Fiji when 23 players are in quarenteen a week later?
Well, firstly anyone would be mad to enter into any sort of agreement with SA rugby these days because we all know they'll find any reason to bail out and forfeit any agreement and then strut around like one legged roosters trying to blame everyone else for their own failings.

Then there's the 14 days quarantine thing that would have ruined the ABs domestic schedule.
Ok I see the reasons you gave why the All Blacks didn't want to play. I know the 'mad to enter into any sort of agreement' reasons are unsubstantiated and based on skew perception but I suppose then that those rugby lovers that used to love those tests must live with it.
I am sure Argentina A was approached first, they always played the springboks when nobody else wanted but they probably wouldn't be able to train together for it.
Wallabies and France's schedule were full.
Bring on the Lelos then. They have a good scrum that can take on the Boks and they are keen to play. I can imagine a Lelo player telling his grandkid one day: ' I played against the World Champions '
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Ali's Choice wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 5:33 pm
Midfieldmaestro wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 5:31 pm
Mr Mike wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 4:55 pm
Midfieldmaestro wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 4:43 pm was 2019 RCs not 2018
may be an amalgam of the two but still wrong. The Boks didn’t beat NZ in 2019.
The boks won in CT the Saturday against Aus while the other team were already in nz and they draw the test in Wellington
You've had a shocker mate. Just admit you have no idea what you're talking about.
Midfieldmaestro?

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ZuluBoy wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 5:38 am . I can imagine a Lelo player telling his grandkid one day: ' I played against the World Champions '
LIke all those Georgians from the 2003 and 2015 teams?
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Shrekles wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 5:50 am
ZuluBoy wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 5:38 am . I can imagine a Lelo player telling his grandkid one day: ' I played against the World Champions '
LIke all those Georgians from the 2003 and 2015 teams?
Yes your'e right. Its a couple years they're around I see so not a bad choice seeing circumstance
They lost badly to England but ran nz closer 10 - 43
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ZuluBoy wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 6:06 am
Shrekles wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 5:50 am
ZuluBoy wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 5:38 am . I can imagine a Lelo player telling his grandkid one day: ' I played against the World Champions '
LIke all those Georgians from the 2003 and 2015 teams?
Yes your'e right. Its a couple years they're around I see so not a bad choice seeing circumstance
They lost badly to England but ran nz closer 10 - 43

Perhaps they can proudly say "I played against the World Champions before the All Blacks did"?
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A lot of hate towards South Africa and the Springboks. It's tough to be at the top and as they say in Afrikaans, die hoogste bome vang die meeste wind.
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This isn’t hate boet…

We are laughing at you.
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Requesting the game at all seems a strange choice by the Springboks. They must have been aware that NZ’s quarantine rules meant have meant the ABs wouldn’t have been able to play Fiji as scheduled. Personally while I would have loved to see a game vs South Africa, I am pleased we haven’t disrespected both the AB jersey by gifting caps to second stringers or Fiji and the arrangement in place with them.
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guy smiley wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 8:09 am This isn’t hate boet…

We are laughing at you.
Laughing this year, you were crying last year. You wanted us out boet.
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handyman wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 8:53 am
guy smiley wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 8:09 am This isn’t hate boet…

We are laughing at you.
Laughing this year, you were crying last year. You wanted us out boet.
Well, we wanted you IN but you decided to welch on the deal.

Now no-one wants to know about you. Can't be trusted, boet.
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guy smiley wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 8:56 am
handyman wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 8:53 am
guy smiley wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 8:09 am This isn’t hate boet…

We are laughing at you.
Laughing this year, you were crying last year. You wanted us out boet.
Well, we wanted you IN but you decided to welch on the deal.

Now no-one wants to know about you. Can't be trusted, boet.
Now where did your trust in the springboks started taking such a knock?

23 - 5 up an 15 mins to play. You can never trust the boks mate.

https://youtu.be/4-t0PcxxXAY
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Midfieldmaestro wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 8:06 pm
guy smiley wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 8:56 am
handyman wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 8:53 am
guy smiley wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 8:09 am This isn’t hate boet…

We are laughing at you.
Laughing this year, you were crying last year. You wanted us out boet.
Well, we wanted you IN but you decided to welch on the deal.

Now no-one wants to know about you. Can't be trusted, boet.
Now where did your trust in the springboks started taking such a knock?

23 - 5 up an 15 mins to play. You can never trust the boks mate.

https://youtu.be/4-t0PcxxXAY
So 23 years ago the Boks showed All Black like precision in one game. Amazing.

Very next matchup you lost 28-0.

Actually, since that test All Blacks v Boks has seen;

48 tests
35 All Black wins
12 Bok wins
1 draw

1370 All Black points v 892 Bok points.

145 All Black tries vs 76 Bok tries - almost double.

3 x 50 point drubbings, 2 on South African soil.

57-0 (8 tries to 0) in NZ followed by 57-15 (9 tries to 0) in SA in the very next test.
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Those stats since 1998 are incredible. Maybe we misunderstood Midfieldmaestro’s point and he meant that 1998 was the last time we could trust the Boks to match up to our historical rivalry.
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the best quota win was 2004 when the sports minister demanded the boks change their team the Thursday for Saturday. Out had to go Schalk Burger, Jaque Fourie , Fourie du Preez and Willie Meye and they were Sprinboks best and in came Solly Tibilyaka , Thinus Linee , Bolla Conradie and Lawrence Sephaka without having trained with the boks before kick-off. The game was played at Royale Bafokeng and the Springbks won!

https://youtu.be/Wf8z7-7Rww0
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The Springboks won 4/11 between 2007 and 2010. 2009 was the golden year with 3/3.
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JB1981 wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 9:14 pm The Springboks won 4/11 between 2007 and 2010. 2009 was the golden year with 3/3.
Boks kept their World Cup squad out of the 2007 away leg
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Midfieldmaestro wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 9:09 pm Between 2007 - 2010 when qoutas were scrapped the boks beat you on a regular basis
but the best quota win was 2004 when the sports minister demanded the boks change their team the Thursday for Saturday. Out had to go Schalk Burger, Jaque Fourie , Fourie du Preez and Willie Meye and they were Sprinboks best and in came Solly Tibilyaka , Thinus Linee , Bolla Conradie and Lawrence Sephaka without having trained with the boks before kick-off. The game was played at Royale Bafokeng and the Springbks won!

https://youtu.be/Wf8z7-7Rww0
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JB1981 wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 9:14 pm The Springboks won 4/11 between 2007 and 2010. 2009 was the golden year with 3/3.
And wasn’t that when carter was out for a couple of the tests and we had the duck at 10?
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Midfieldmaestro wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 9:22 pm
JB1981 wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 9:14 pm The Springboks won 4/11 between 2007 and 2010. 2009 was the golden year with 3/3.
Boks kept their World Cup squad out of the 2007 away leg of the tri nations and played their B team against the ABs
Nz did the same from memory
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some huge Springbok hits

https://youtu.be/Wf8z7-7Rww0
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brat wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 9:27 pm
Midfieldmaestro wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 9:22 pm
JB1981 wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 9:14 pm The Springboks won 4/11 between 2007 and 2010. 2009 was the golden year with 3/3.
Boks kept their World Cup squad out of the 2007 away leg of the tri nations and played their B team against the ABs
Nz did the same from memory
There was some NZ rotation for the return match in NZ when the Bok sent their seconds, but both teams had their best available squad up for the first game in Durban. Wonderful finish.
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Midfieldmaestro wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 9:22 pm
JB1981 wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 9:14 pm The Springboks won 4/11 between 2007 and 2010. 2009 was the golden year with 3/3.
Boks kept their World Cup squad out of the 2007 away leg of the tri nations and played their B team against the ABs
Correct. NZ won in South Africa vs the top side and a weakened side played the away fixtures. From Wikipedia:
The tournament had been put into jeopardy after the Springboks team confirmed they were sending a below strength side for the Australasian leg of the tournament.
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Midfieldmaestro wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 9:34 pm family physician
yes and blacks all needed one

https://youtu.be/Wf8z7-7Rww0
Huge hits. You guys dominate us. I imagine the Springboks must have an overwhelming win rate vs the ABs based on that.
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Midfieldmaestro wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 9:34 pm family physician
yes and blacks all needed one

https://youtu.be/Wf8z7-7Rww0
Surely this has to be a joke account set up by some crafty Lions fan to discredit South African supporters after they and their media made fun of the Lions team selected.
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Midfieldmaestro wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 9:34 pm family physician
yes and blacks all needed one

https://youtu.be/Wf8z7-7Rww0
Funny when you go online there’s hardly any videos of Nz wins over the boks comparative to boks over the Abs- even though the boks have only won 3 games in the last 11 years vs Nz -Nz have won 16

And this is another biased bok special..he even goes back to 1995..suppose it’s much easier to remember your wins when there’s bugger all
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Royale Bafokeng Boks had to change their team a day before on the ancs insistance but still won it
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quota win? :?

Do you know how old-school racist South African comments like that come across? Especially given that the Springbok squads are still utterly dominated by white players with Afrikaaner surnames. Calling black players 'quota players' is a racist habit to devalue them as players and devalue their achievements. You need to pull your head in!
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Speaking of quotas haven't the saffas filled their thick as pigshit contingent?
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the WC group were pulled out of trinations and it being a group of over 30 springbok players , this team that played the away leg in 2007 was not a B Team but a C Team
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Midfieldmaestro wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 6:12 am
JB1981 wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 9:14 pm The Springboks won 4/11 between 2007 and 2010. 2009 was the golden year with 3/3.
sorry i miscalculated
between 2007 - 2010 the non quota years
the Springboks won 4 and blacks only 3
the non quota ended end of 2009
that included
the Springbok C team that play away in nz 2007
because of the WC group pulled out of trinations and it being a group of over 30 springbok players , this team that played the away leg was not a B Team but a C Team
Between 2007 and 2009 it was 4 all

Between 2007-2010..as jb said..it was Nz 7 to the boks 4

Your best team in 2007, got beaten in Durban by Nz, and they only just beat Australia in Cape Town

If I was a bok supporter I would just be happy my team managed to avoid both of those teams in 2007 rwc, rather than talking about quotas
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Happy the Springboks avoided France
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Give it f**king up boet. You're embarrassing us. The ABs have clearly been the better team in the last few decades. Decidedly so.
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sorCrer wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 12:35 pm Give it f**king up boet. You're embarrassing us. The ABs have clearly been the better team in the last few decades. Decidedly so.
Springboks have a better WC Rugby Record more wins shorter period of time
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Just how insecure are you man ?
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Eugenius wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 1:33 pm Just how insecure are you man ?
I am a Lock with Low Self confidence - very insecure
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