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ChipSpike wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:37 pm
Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:13 pm
Did he mention the reduction of parliamentary sovereignty that has been achieved?
Watch the clip, it's not long.
That's a no then. Content did give me a number of lols though, so thanks.
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backrow wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:39 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:06 pm
backrow wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:49 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:49 am
bimboman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:45 am So Leo was never an honest actor in regard to the border and brexit, how surprising.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... t-row.html
He's speaking to his own audience just as Johnson is speaking to his when ramping up the rhetoric against the EU.

GFA says it can only happen after a border poll anyway so the consent is with the people of Northern Ireland not Leo.

From our point of view, a United Ireland is the only way to get London political influence off the island and to become more EU integrated.
History shows that politicians wanting to take parts of another country and make them pay for it, rarely goes well for them. Poor leo seems to be struggling if he says that to try to get some Republican votes.

We could maybe sell NI back to Ireland ? Say £2.1 trillion ?
If you read what he said he was actually trying to find common ground with unionists in what a united Ireland would look like.

He said he didn't agree with the Shinner 50 + 1% scenario which would lead to war

He said we could combine the best of both worlds. We could use their NHS model and they would get our benefits system.

A new senate to represent more minorities. He has said NI could even be federalised in the past where they coukd make their own laws and raise their own taxes.

The problem with Leo's speech was the timing. We're coming into marching season and the Loyalists will be pretty violent this summer.

He's correct to be discussing it just not now. He should have waited until Autumn.

Ireland should never have been partitioned and We're perfectly in our rights to want our entire island back
Wanting a senate with more minorities, shows just how out of touch Leo is with racist Ireland , and slightly less racist Northern Ireland.

UK also owned the island for longer than Ireland’s existed as just one country, rather than that collage of petty kingdoms massacring one another and inviting Normans, vikings and then the English to help out with the real fighting. So ‘your entire island’ isn’t really a thing, it was ours.
Also, more people in Northern Ireland classify themselves as British or northern irish, if anyone is to leave NI, its ‘the Irish’

Oh, and over time more prods see themselves as British, and specifically not Irish. Had that trend been the other direction the maybe yes unification would have some actual merit , and not some dodgy political football from Leo. As bad as the uk is, those Nordies just don’t want to be Irish :lol:
We're heading towards a united Ireland in a few years. The population in favour of a united Ireland is increasing.

You wont get a say in it yeeb. Laugh all you want.

And those Nordies who want to remain British. They will still be British.
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It’s unlikely to happen in the next decade. So few years isnt ganna happen.
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bimboman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:03 pm It’s unlikely to happen in the next decade. So few years isnt ganna happen.
Why do you say that? The the NI secretary won't sanction the border poll?

Once the Irish community ( catholic community) become majority which could be any year now , Sinn Fein will appoint the 1st minister of the NI executive. They will push for border poll.
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iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:52 pm
backrow wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:39 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:06 pm
backrow wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:49 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:49 am

He's speaking to his own audience just as Johnson is speaking to his when ramping up the rhetoric against the EU.

GFA says it can only happen after a border poll anyway so the consent is with the people of Northern Ireland not Leo.

From our point of view, a United Ireland is the only way to get London political influence off the island and to become more EU integrated.
History shows that politicians wanting to take parts of another country and make them pay for it, rarely goes well for them. Poor leo seems to be struggling if he says that to try to get some Republican votes.

We could maybe sell NI back to Ireland ? Say £2.1 trillion ?
If you read what he said he was actually trying to find common ground with unionists in what a united Ireland would look like.

He said he didn't agree with the Shinner 50 + 1% scenario which would lead to war

He said we could combine the best of both worlds. We could use their NHS model and they would get our benefits system.

A new senate to represent more minorities. He has said NI could even be federalised in the past where they coukd make their own laws and raise their own taxes.

The problem with Leo's speech was the timing. We're coming into marching season and the Loyalists will be pretty violent this summer.

He's correct to be discussing it just not now. He should have waited until Autumn.

Ireland should never have been partitioned and We're perfectly in our rights to want our entire island back
Wanting a senate with more minorities, shows just how out of touch Leo is with racist Ireland , and slightly less racist Northern Ireland.

UK also owned the island for longer than Ireland’s existed as just one country, rather than that collage of petty kingdoms massacring one another and inviting Normans, vikings and then the English to help out with the real fighting. So ‘your entire island’ isn’t really a thing, it was ours.
Also, more people in Northern Ireland classify themselves as British or northern irish, if anyone is to leave NI, its ‘the Irish’

Oh, and over time more prods see themselves as British, and specifically not Irish. Had that trend been the other direction the maybe yes unification would have some actual merit , and not some dodgy political football from Leo. As bad as the uk is, those Nordies just don’t want to be Irish :lol:
We're heading towards a united Ireland in a few years. The population in favour of a united Ireland is increasing.

You wont get a say in it yeeb. Laugh all you want.

And those Nordies who want to remain British. They will still be British.
Only in the republic perhaps , in NI the numbers seem to be declining in people who see themselves as Irish. Ireland also has a net Irish person decline , your overall growth fuelled by Polish and Romanian babies?
Unless you want to do a Hitler style Anschluss / Sudetenland , you are living in a green fantasy world if somehow NI voted to leave the UK
(Scotland has a far far better claim to wanting to leave the Uk, and they voted it down)
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backrow wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:25 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:52 pm
backrow wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:39 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:06 pm
backrow wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:49 pm

History shows that politicians wanting to take parts of another country and make them pay for it, rarely goes well for them. Poor leo seems to be struggling if he says that to try to get some Republican votes.

We could maybe sell NI back to Ireland ? Say £2.1 trillion ?
If you read what he said he was actually trying to find common ground with unionists in what a united Ireland would look like.

He said he didn't agree with the Shinner 50 + 1% scenario which would lead to war

He said we could combine the best of both worlds. We could use their NHS model and they would get our benefits system.

A new senate to represent more minorities. He has said NI could even be federalised in the past where they coukd make their own laws and raise their own taxes.

The problem with Leo's speech was the timing. We're coming into marching season and the Loyalists will be pretty violent this summer.

He's correct to be discussing it just not now. He should have waited until Autumn.

Ireland should never have been partitioned and We're perfectly in our rights to want our entire island back
Wanting a senate with more minorities, shows just how out of touch Leo is with racist Ireland , and slightly less racist Northern Ireland.

UK also owned the island for longer than Ireland’s existed as just one country, rather than that collage of petty kingdoms massacring one another and inviting Normans, vikings and then the English to help out with the real fighting. So ‘your entire island’ isn’t really a thing, it was ours.
Also, more people in Northern Ireland classify themselves as British or northern irish, if anyone is to leave NI, its ‘the Irish’

Oh, and over time more prods see themselves as British, and specifically not Irish. Had that trend been the other direction the maybe yes unification would have some actual merit , and not some dodgy political football from Leo. As bad as the uk is, those Nordies just don’t want to be Irish :lol:
We're heading towards a united Ireland in a few years. The population in favour of a united Ireland is increasing.

You wont get a say in it yeeb. Laugh all you want.

And those Nordies who want to remain British. They will still be British.
Only in the republic perhaps , in NI the numbers seem to be declining in people who see themselves as Irish. Ireland also has a net Irish person decline , your overall growth fuelled by Polish and Romanian babies?
Unless you want to do a Hitler style Anschluss / Sudetenland , you are living in a green fantasy world if somehow NI voted to leave the UK
(Scotland has a far far better claim to wanting to leave the Uk, and they voted it down)
Eh no you got that arse ways.

100 years ago there were twice as many who identified as British than those who identified as Irish.

It's now about 50/50 and increasing in the catholics favour.

That's why the conversation is happening.

Where are you getting your information from? It's funny
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iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:28 pm
backrow wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:25 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:52 pm
backrow wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:39 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:06 pm

If you read what he said he was actually trying to find common ground with unionists in what a united Ireland would look like.

He said he didn't agree with the Shinner 50 + 1% scenario which would lead to war

He said we could combine the best of both worlds. We could use their NHS model and they would get our benefits system.

A new senate to represent more minorities. He has said NI could even be federalised in the past where they coukd make their own laws and raise their own taxes.

The problem with Leo's speech was the timing. We're coming into marching season and the Loyalists will be pretty violent this summer.

He's correct to be discussing it just not now. He should have waited until Autumn.

Ireland should never have been partitioned and We're perfectly in our rights to want our entire island back
Wanting a senate with more minorities, shows just how out of touch Leo is with racist Ireland , and slightly less racist Northern Ireland.

UK also owned the island for longer than Ireland’s existed as just one country, rather than that collage of petty kingdoms massacring one another and inviting Normans, vikings and then the English to help out with the real fighting. So ‘your entire island’ isn’t really a thing, it was ours.
Also, more people in Northern Ireland classify themselves as British or northern irish, if anyone is to leave NI, its ‘the Irish’

Oh, and over time more prods see themselves as British, and specifically not Irish. Had that trend been the other direction the maybe yes unification would have some actual merit , and not some dodgy political football from Leo. As bad as the uk is, those Nordies just don’t want to be Irish :lol:
We're heading towards a united Ireland in a few years. The population in favour of a united Ireland is increasing.

You wont get a say in it yeeb. Laugh all you want.

And those Nordies who want to remain British. They will still be British.
Only in the republic perhaps , in NI the numbers seem to be declining in people who see themselves as Irish. Ireland also has a net Irish person decline , your overall growth fuelled by Polish and Romanian babies?
Unless you want to do a Hitler style Anschluss / Sudetenland , you are living in a green fantasy world if somehow NI voted to leave the UK
(Scotland has a far far better claim to wanting to leave the Uk, and they voted it down)
Eh no you got that arse ways.

100 years ago there were twice as many who identified as British than those who identified as Irish.

It's now about 50/50 and increasing in the catholics favour.

That's why the conversation is happening.

Where are you getting your information from? It's funny
Are all catholics pro unification?
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ChipSpike wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:32 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:28 pm
backrow wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:25 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:52 pm
backrow wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:39 pm

Wanting a senate with more minorities, shows just how out of touch Leo is with racist Ireland , and slightly less racist Northern Ireland.

UK also owned the island for longer than Ireland’s existed as just one country, rather than that collage of petty kingdoms massacring one another and inviting Normans, vikings and then the English to help out with the real fighting. So ‘your entire island’ isn’t really a thing, it was ours.
Also, more people in Northern Ireland classify themselves as British or northern irish, if anyone is to leave NI, its ‘the Irish’

Oh, and over time more prods see themselves as British, and specifically not Irish. Had that trend been the other direction the maybe yes unification would have some actual merit , and not some dodgy political football from Leo. As bad as the uk is, those Nordies just don’t want to be Irish :lol:
We're heading towards a united Ireland in a few years. The population in favour of a united Ireland is increasing.

You wont get a say in it yeeb. Laugh all you want.

And those Nordies who want to remain British. They will still be British.
Only in the republic perhaps , in NI the numbers seem to be declining in people who see themselves as Irish. Ireland also has a net Irish person decline , your overall growth fuelled by Polish and Romanian babies?
Unless you want to do a Hitler style Anschluss / Sudetenland , you are living in a green fantasy world if somehow NI voted to leave the UK
(Scotland has a far far better claim to wanting to leave the Uk, and they voted it down)
Eh no you got that arse ways.

100 years ago there were twice as many who identified as British than those who identified as Irish.

It's now about 50/50 and increasing in the catholics favour.

That's why the conversation is happening.

Where are you getting your information from? It's funny
Are all catholics pro unification?
No but the reason why the conversation is motion is the unionists no longer have a clear majority and no longer have that veto.

There are now three minorities in Northetm Ireland:

British : mostly all protestant (will never want a UI)
Irish: mostly all catholic ( want UI)
Northern Irish: mix of both ( mostly anti Brexit but happy in UK)

Some of that 3rd group could swing and could be the deciding factor in a border poll
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iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:52 pm
We're heading towards a united Ireland in a few years. The population in favour of a united Ireland is increasing.
Nationalists have been claiming that since 1922 :lol:
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MrDominator wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:42 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:52 pm
We're heading towards a united Ireland in a few years. The population in favour of a united Ireland is increasing.
Nationalists have been claiming that since 1922 :lol:
It's only being taken seriously in the last year by our government
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Another thing in that article from the Sarah Vine news

Leo is advocating closer relations with the UK which is something I'm against.

So Leo if anything wants a united Ireland, with Ireland back in the commonwealth as a compromise to unionists.

I didn't read the Daily Mail. Was that mentioned as it was in the Irish Times this morning
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iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:38 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:32 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:28 pm
backrow wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:25 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:52 pm
We're heading towards a united Ireland in a few years. The population in favour of a united Ireland is increasing.

You wont get a say in it yeeb. Laugh all you want.

And those Nordies who want to remain British. They will still be British.
Only in the republic perhaps , in NI the numbers seem to be declining in people who see themselves as Irish. Ireland also has a net Irish person decline , your overall growth fuelled by Polish and Romanian babies?
Unless you want to do a Hitler style Anschluss / Sudetenland , you are living in a green fantasy world if somehow NI voted to leave the UK
(Scotland has a far far better claim to wanting to leave the Uk, and they voted it down)
Eh no you got that arse ways.

100 years ago there were twice as many who identified as British than those who identified as Irish.

It's now about 50/50 and increasing in the catholics favour.

That's why the conversation is happening.

Where are you getting your information from? It's funny
Are all catholics pro unification?
No but the reason why the conversation is motion is the unionists no longer have a clear majority and no longer have that veto.

There are now three minorities in Northetm Ireland:

British : mostly all protestant (will never want a UI)
Irish: mostly all catholic ( want UI)
Northern Irish: mix of both ( mostly anti Brexit but happy in UK)

Some of that 3rd group could swing and could be the deciding factor in a border poll
It's up to the UK Secretary of State judgement as to whether a poll is justified. One off swings won't be enough. It'll have to be consistent and defintive majority over a few years.
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ChipSpike wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:24 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:38 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:32 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:28 pm
backrow wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:25 pm

Only in the republic perhaps , in NI the numbers seem to be declining in people who see themselves as Irish. Ireland also has a net Irish person decline , your overall growth fuelled by Polish and Romanian babies?
Unless you want to do a Hitler style Anschluss / Sudetenland , you are living in a green fantasy world if somehow NI voted to leave the UK
(Scotland has a far far better claim to wanting to leave the Uk, and they voted it down)
Eh no you got that arse ways.

100 years ago there were twice as many who identified as British than those who identified as Irish.

It's now about 50/50 and increasing in the catholics favour.

That's why the conversation is happening.

Where are you getting your information from? It's funny
Are all catholics pro unification?
No but the reason why the conversation is motion is the unionists no longer have a clear majority and no longer have that veto.

There are now three minorities in Northetm Ireland:

British : mostly all protestant (will never want a UI)
Irish: mostly all catholic ( want UI)
Northern Irish: mix of both ( mostly anti Brexit but happy in UK)

Some of that 3rd group could swing and could be the deciding factor in a border poll
It's up to the UK Secretary of State judgement as to whether a poll is justified. One off swings won't be enough. It'll have to be consistent and defintive majority over a few years.
So this is whats happening. The leading unionist party is tearing itself from within. Unionists from the left are going to Alliance ( ally of lib dems. Pro Uk union and pro EU).

There will be elections in NI next year. Sinn Fein are likeky to keep their vote bur DUP could lose seats to Alliance meaning for the very 1st time since the creation of the NI state we have a republican party with 1st minister.

They will likely keep that with the faster growing catholic population. They will push for border poll.

In all honesty I don't see the Westminster government offering the kind of resistance to a NI border poll like they would with another Scottish referendum.
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iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:30 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:24 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:38 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:32 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:28 pm

Eh no you got that arse ways.

100 years ago there were twice as many who identified as British than those who identified as Irish.

It's now about 50/50 and increasing in the catholics favour.

That's why the conversation is happening.

Where are you getting your information from? It's funny
Are all catholics pro unification?
No but the reason why the conversation is motion is the unionists no longer have a clear majority and no longer have that veto.

There are now three minorities in Northetm Ireland:

British : mostly all protestant (will never want a UI)
Irish: mostly all catholic ( want UI)
Northern Irish: mix of both ( mostly anti Brexit but happy in UK)

Some of that 3rd group could swing and could be the deciding factor in a border poll
It's up to the UK Secretary of State judgement as to whether a poll is justified. One off swings won't be enough. It'll have to be consistent and defintive majority over a few years.
So this is whats happening. The leading unionist party is tearing itself from within. Unionists from the left are going to Alliance ( ally of lib dems. Pro Uk union and pro EU).

There will be elections in NI next year. Sinn Fein are likeky to keep their vote bur DUP could lose seats to Alliance meaning for the very 1st time since the creation of the NI state we have a republican party with 1st minister.

They will likely keep that with the faster growing catholic population. They will push for border poll.

In all honesty I don't see the Westminster government offering the kind of resistance to a NI border poll like they would with another Scottish referendum.
I've found this article from the Belfast Telegraph on attitudes towards unification. It paints a very different picture from yours. Particular sticking points are that no one really wants to pay the costs of unification, most people think they will be financially worse off (esp the North with the Barnet subsidies), the North really doesnt want your health system, plus both North and South think the prospect of unification would jepordise the peace.

Whats the benefits of this to the people in NI? Or the South for that matter.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news ... 75678.html
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ChipSpike wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:02 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:30 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:24 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:38 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:32 pm

Are all catholics pro unification?
No but the reason why the conversation is motion is the unionists no longer have a clear majority and no longer have that veto.

There are now three minorities in Northetm Ireland:

British : mostly all protestant (will never want a UI)
Irish: mostly all catholic ( want UI)
Northern Irish: mix of both ( mostly anti Brexit but happy in UK)

Some of that 3rd group could swing and could be the deciding factor in a border poll
It's up to the UK Secretary of State judgement as to whether a poll is justified. One off swings won't be enough. It'll have to be consistent and defintive majority over a few years.
So this is whats happening. The leading unionist party is tearing itself from within. Unionists from the left are going to Alliance ( ally of lib dems. Pro Uk union and pro EU).

There will be elections in NI next year. Sinn Fein are likeky to keep their vote bur DUP could lose seats to Alliance meaning for the very 1st time since the creation of the NI state we have a republican party with 1st minister.

They will likely keep that with the faster growing catholic population. They will push for border poll.

In all honesty I don't see the Westminster government offering the kind of resistance to a NI border poll like they would with another Scottish referendum.
I've found this article from the Belfast Telegraph on attitudes towards unification. It paints a very different picture from yours. Particular sticking points are that no one really wants to pay the costs of unification, most people think they will be financially worse off (esp the North with the Barnet subsidies), the North really doesnt want your health system, plus both North and South think the prospect of unification would jepordise the peace.

Whats the benefits of this to the people in NI? Or the South for that matter.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news ... 75678.html
Uk has superior health system. We have better welfare and benefits. That's why Leo mentioned marrying best of both worlds.

We can't afford Northern Ireland That's correct. Brussels can and if it meant shoring up the single market, they would fund it.

Regarding newspapers in nordie land. Same as in England they're parochial behind ideology and political parties.

Belfast telegraph. Unionism
Newsketter. Unionism
Irish News. Republicanism

If you read Irish News you'll get a different perspective. The truth lies in the middle.
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iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:11 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:02 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:30 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:24 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:38 pm

No but the reason why the conversation is motion is the unionists no longer have a clear majority and no longer have that veto.

There are now three minorities in Northetm Ireland:

British : mostly all protestant (will never want a UI)
Irish: mostly all catholic ( want UI)
Northern Irish: mix of both ( mostly anti Brexit but happy in UK)

Some of that 3rd group could swing and could be the deciding factor in a border poll
It's up to the UK Secretary of State judgement as to whether a poll is justified. One off swings won't be enough. It'll have to be consistent and defintive majority over a few years.
So this is whats happening. The leading unionist party is tearing itself from within. Unionists from the left are going to Alliance ( ally of lib dems. Pro Uk union and pro EU).

There will be elections in NI next year. Sinn Fein are likeky to keep their vote bur DUP could lose seats to Alliance meaning for the very 1st time since the creation of the NI state we have a republican party with 1st minister.

They will likely keep that with the faster growing catholic population. They will push for border poll.

In all honesty I don't see the Westminster government offering the kind of resistance to a NI border poll like they would with another Scottish referendum.
I've found this article from the Belfast Telegraph on attitudes towards unification. It paints a very different picture from yours. Particular sticking points are that no one really wants to pay the costs of unification, most people think they will be financially worse off (esp the North with the Barnet subsidies), the North really doesnt want your health system, plus both North and South think the prospect of unification would jepordise the peace.

Whats the benefits of this to the people in NI? Or the South for that matter.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news ... 75678.html
Uk has superior health system. We have better welfare and benefits. That's why Leo mentioned marrying best of both worlds.

We can't afford Northern Ireland That's correct. Brussels can and if it meant shoring up the single market, they would fund it.

Regarding newspapers in nordie land. Same as in England they're parochial behind ideology and political parties.

Belfast telegraph. Unionism
Newsketter. Unionism
Irish News. Republicanism

If you read Irish News you'll get a different perspective. The truth lies in the middle.
How does the Irish healthcare system differ from the NHS?
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mdaclarke wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:37 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:11 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:02 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:30 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:24 pm

It's up to the UK Secretary of State judgement as to whether a poll is justified. One off swings won't be enough. It'll have to be consistent and defintive majority over a few years.
So this is whats happening. The leading unionist party is tearing itself from within. Unionists from the left are going to Alliance ( ally of lib dems. Pro Uk union and pro EU).

There will be elections in NI next year. Sinn Fein are likeky to keep their vote bur DUP could lose seats to Alliance meaning for the very 1st time since the creation of the NI state we have a republican party with 1st minister.

They will likely keep that with the faster growing catholic population. They will push for border poll.

In all honesty I don't see the Westminster government offering the kind of resistance to a NI border poll like they would with another Scottish referendum.
I've found this article from the Belfast Telegraph on attitudes towards unification. It paints a very different picture from yours. Particular sticking points are that no one really wants to pay the costs of unification, most people think they will be financially worse off (esp the North with the Barnet subsidies), the North really doesnt want your health system, plus both North and South think the prospect of unification would jepordise the peace.

Whats the benefits of this to the people in NI? Or the South for that matter.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news ... 75678.html
Uk has superior health system. We have better welfare and benefits. That's why Leo mentioned marrying best of both worlds.

We can't afford Northern Ireland That's correct. Brussels can and if it meant shoring up the single market, they would fund it.

Regarding newspapers in nordie land. Same as in England they're parochial behind ideology and political parties.

Belfast telegraph. Unionism
Newsketter. Unionism
Irish News. Republicanism

If you read Irish News you'll get a different perspective. The truth lies in the middle.
How does the Irish healthcare system differ from the NHS?
You don't get free prescriptions. There is a massive waiting list to get into the public health system. Only certain peoples get medical cards pays for everything. You need to be on low salary to avail.

I'm on private healthcare which is excellent in Ireland.

Where the UK wins is that the NHS is public and anyone can get it without massive waiting lists.

Our health system is run by HSE ( Health Service Executive)
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There’s 5 million plus on the NHS waiting lists. You can’t see a GP face to face..... it’s shit.
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bimboman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:51 pm There’s 5 million plus on the NHS waiting lists. You can’t see a GP face to face..... it’s shit.
Are you private then?
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iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:52 pm
bimboman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:51 pm There’s 5 million plus on the NHS waiting lists. You can’t see a GP face to face..... it’s shit.
Are you private then?
Not my experience at all.
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Reduction in English sovereignty on the way?


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/mi ... ocid=ientp
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bimboman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:51 pm There’s 5 million plus on the NHS waiting lists. You can’t see a GP face to face..... it’s shit.
Not my experience but I get why your GP may be reluctant to see you
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iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:44 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:37 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:11 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:02 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:30 pm
So this is whats happening. The leading unionist party is tearing itself from within. Unionists from the left are going to Alliance ( ally of lib dems. Pro Uk union and pro EU).

There will be elections in NI next year. Sinn Fein are likeky to keep their vote bur DUP could lose seats to Alliance meaning for the very 1st time since the creation of the NI state we have a republican party with 1st minister.

They will likely keep that with the faster growing catholic population. They will push for border poll.

In all honesty I don't see the Westminster government offering the kind of resistance to a NI border poll like they would with another Scottish referendum.
I've found this article from the Belfast Telegraph on attitudes towards unification. It paints a very different picture from yours. Particular sticking points are that no one really wants to pay the costs of unification, most people think they will be financially worse off (esp the North with the Barnet subsidies), the North really doesnt want your health system, plus both North and South think the prospect of unification would jepordise the peace.

Whats the benefits of this to the people in NI? Or the South for that matter.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news ... 75678.html
Uk has superior health system. We have better welfare and benefits. That's why Leo mentioned marrying best of both worlds.

We can't afford Northern Ireland That's correct. Brussels can and if it meant shoring up the single market, they would fund it.

Regarding newspapers in nordie land. Same as in England they're parochial behind ideology and political parties.

Belfast telegraph. Unionism
Newsketter. Unionism
Irish News. Republicanism

If you read Irish News you'll get a different perspective. The truth lies in the middle.
How does the Irish healthcare system differ from the NHS?
You don't get free prescriptions. There is a massive waiting list to get into the public health system. Only certain peoples get medical cards pays for everything. You need to be on low salary to avail.

I'm on private healthcare which is excellent in Ireland.

Where the UK wins is that the NHS is public and anyone can get it without massive waiting lists.

Our health system is run by HSE ( Health Service Executive)
I assume there is some sort of safety net so for example if a child (or an adult) from a poor family came down with Cancer they would still be treated?
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mdaclarke wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:02 am
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:44 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:37 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:11 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:02 pm

I've found this article from the Belfast Telegraph on attitudes towards unification. It paints a very different picture from yours. Particular sticking points are that no one really wants to pay the costs of unification, most people think they will be financially worse off (esp the North with the Barnet subsidies), the North really doesnt want your health system, plus both North and South think the prospect of unification would jepordise the peace.

Whats the benefits of this to the people in NI? Or the South for that matter.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news ... 75678.html
Uk has superior health system. We have better welfare and benefits. That's why Leo mentioned marrying best of both worlds.

We can't afford Northern Ireland That's correct. Brussels can and if it meant shoring up the single market, they would fund it.

Regarding newspapers in nordie land. Same as in England they're parochial behind ideology and political parties.

Belfast telegraph. Unionism
Newsketter. Unionism
Irish News. Republicanism

If you read Irish News you'll get a different perspective. The truth lies in the middle.
How does the Irish healthcare system differ from the NHS?
You don't get free prescriptions. There is a massive waiting list to get into the public health system. Only certain peoples get medical cards pays for everything. You need to be on low salary to avail.

I'm on private healthcare which is excellent in Ireland.

Where the UK wins is that the NHS is public and anyone can get it without massive waiting lists.

Our health system is run by HSE ( Health Service Executive)
I assume there is some sort of safety net so for example if a child (or an adult) from a poor family came down with Cancer they would still be treated?
Correct that falls under Universal health care.
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Uk formally asks EU for extension to grace period on NI protocol to September


Well that's better than unilaterally taking action. Let's see how this goes. I hope the EU agrees to it. It's just 3 months
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Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:27 pm Another meaty victory

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57512243
slaughtered for meat in recent weeks.
:lol: How will we cope.
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bimboman wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:30 pm
Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:27 pm Another meaty victory

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57512243
slaughtered for meat in recent weeks.
:lol: How will we cope.
Vegania to the rescue
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Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:27 pm Another meaty victory

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57512243
Does it mention increased wages?
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ChipSpike wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:03 pm
Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:27 pm Another meaty victory

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57512243
Does it mention increased wages?
Does it mention current inflation is hitting the low paid the hardest?
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Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:11 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:03 pm
Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:27 pm Another meaty victory

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57512243
Does it mention increased wages?
Does it mention current inflation is hitting the low paid the hardest?
Does it mention inflation is being driven by a consumer buying spree?
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Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:11 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:03 pm
Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:27 pm Another meaty victory

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57512243
Does it mention increased wages?
Does it mention current inflation is hitting the low paid the hardest?

Best they get pay rises then.
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:52 am
bimboman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:51 pm There’s 5 million plus on the NHS waiting lists. You can’t see a GP face to face..... it’s shit.
Not my experience but I get why your GP may be reluctant to see you
On the hospital side, my mother has just received world class treatment on the NHS from a consultant at the JR, Oxford. Who followed this with a detailed letter to her GP - in faultless, meticulous and clear English.

The consultant was German and she originally qualified in Aachen.

I am nevertheless thinking about tipping off the Home Office to double check whether her resettlement application has been made. She may have been busy, sure, but as there's 3 or 4 days to go now and if she's not submitted it, then it's aufwiedersehen Heidi....no exceptions :x

What do you guys think?
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bimboman wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:21 pm
Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:11 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:03 pm
Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:27 pm Another meaty victory

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57512243
Does it mention increased wages?
Does it mention current inflation is hitting the low paid the hardest?

Best they get pay rises then.
Pay rises all round.
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Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:46 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:37 pm
Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:13 pm
Did he mention the reduction of parliamentary sovereignty that has been achieved?
Watch the clip, it's not long.
That's a no then. Content did give me a number of lols though, so thanks.
If that is competition for the BBC.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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shereblue wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:26 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:52 am
bimboman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:51 pm There’s 5 million plus on the NHS waiting lists. You can’t see a GP face to face..... it’s shit.
Not my experience but I get why your GP may be reluctant to see you
On the hospital side, my mother has just received world class treatment on the NHS from a consultant at the JR, Oxford. Who followed this with a detailed letter to her GP - in faultless, meticulous and clear English.

The consultant was German and she originally qualified in Aachen.

I am nevertheless thinking about tipping off the Home Office to double check whether her resettlement application has been made. She may have been busy, sure, but as there's 3 or 4 days to go now and if she's not submitted it, then it's aufwiedersehen Heidi....no exceptions :x

What do you guys think?
I think you are a complete tosser. If she has been to busy for years to apply then staying is probably not that important to her
If an EU citizen who missed the deadline for settled status under the EUSS comes to the attention of Immigration Enforcement and it is apparent to the immigration officials that they are eligible to apply for settled status under the EUSS they will be given, in writing, a grace period of 28 days in order to make an application under Appendix EU and no further enforcement action will be taken during this time.
https://www.mondaq.com/uk/general-immig ... s-not-lost
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:38 pm
shereblue wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:26 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:52 am
bimboman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:51 pm There’s 5 million plus on the NHS waiting lists. You can’t see a GP face to face..... it’s shit.
Not my experience but I get why your GP may be reluctant to see you
On the hospital side, my mother has just received world class treatment on the NHS from a consultant at the JR, Oxford. Who followed this with a detailed letter to her GP - in faultless, meticulous and clear English.

The consultant was German and she originally qualified in Aachen.

I am nevertheless thinking about tipping off the Home Office to double check whether her resettlement application has been made. She may have been busy, sure, but as there's 3 or 4 days to go now and if she's not submitted it, then it's aufwiedersehen Heidi....no exceptions :x

What do you guys think?
I think you are a complete tosser. If she has been to busy for years to apply then staying is probably not that important to her
If an EU citizen who missed the deadline for settled status under the EUSS comes to the attention of Immigration Enforcement and it is apparent to the immigration officials that they are eligible to apply for settled status under the EUSS they will be given, in writing, a grace period of 28 days in order to make an application under Appendix EU and no further enforcement action will be taken during this time.
https://www.mondaq.com/uk/general-immig ... s-not-lost
Some would think it's an insult that a brilliant consultant was required to "register" as an alien having been legitimately resident here for decades and serving the public, her profession and the British exchequer during that time.

But hey, she's an EU citizen, she rightly didn't have a vote over Brexit unlike nearly all of her patients and she is quite rightly discriminated against on the grounds of her nationality.
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You hysterical fanny :lol:
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I do not think it wrong that a German was denied a vote in the referendum.

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Mick Mannock wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:15 pm I do not think it wrong that a German was denied a vote in the referendum.

I
Let's keep her Majesty out of this.

However explain to me why, for example, a Zimbabwean shouldn't also have been denied a vote?
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