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I'm genuinely worried about that. :lol:
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Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:57 pm
Nolanator wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:38 pm What do we reckon will be the outcome of this meeting re antigen testing today?

Seems inevitable that NPHET will have to climb down. The pressure on them from all angles is something else.
Can’t see it. Fr Tony thinks he’s bigger than the government. These guys are simply too risk averse and obsessed with the cult of lockdown
agreed ; its funny (well maybe not) ; I was listening to Today FM this morning and they were talking about it - the guy that does the news was updating them telling them that the cardinal view is just overly cautious on everything - Dermot Whelan says, "I'm tired of hearing overly cautious when you're wrecking entire industries - how is that cautious ?" - never a good sign when a comedian on the radio is the fella talking sense
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Dr Keogan tripping up over her own words after Lowry asked her why other EU members are using antigen testing and not us.

They're not for turning or for admitting they got it wrong
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Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:59 pm
ticketlessinseattle wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:55 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:43 am
Leinsterman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:08 am Waters saying Varadkar (and I'm paraphrasing) should "f**k off home". Saying he's not Irish and should be working on the buses or in a restaurant.
At which point, the Gemmaroid leans in and says very sincerely "in an INDIAN restaurant..."
:lol: They are just the worst

Waters is a funny one. A self styled intellectual who was feted in the media for years when it was abundantly clear that he was a complete idiot. The pony tail says it all :lol:
the two of them are completely fcuking nut jobs ; as in needing medical attention - I dont like the all encompassing concept of cancel culture but these 2 are a postcard in its favour ; speaking of couples gone batsh1t, Wallace and Daly have also lost the plot ; with pro Assad ; China, Russia rantings ; hanging out with terrorist groups in Iraq ; they're even get put down by their own European Parliament mates - they must be approaching grounds for getting fcuked out....which would be an "achievement"
It’s letting them off the hook by saying they’re nuts - they’re nasty bigots
yup, mate of mine whatsapped me the link (didnt open it) and funnily enough I did reply that the 2 of them are nasty nut jobs ! side note ; the whatspapp then went on cover this new GB news channel which looks interesting - headed up by Andrew Neill - whatever you say about him, his take down of Ben Shapiro was a thing of beauty
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:46 pm Some of the claims are wild. Other countries are undertaking antigen because they don't have enough capacity for PCR...that's include Germany so who we send tests to ourselves. :lol:

DeGascun "what's the big deal, we can do 175k PCR tests a week", these lads are totally detached from the impact of their decisions.
has anyone asked them if they know the difference between detecting if someone has or has had covid and if someone is infectious ?
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iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:09 pm Dr Keogan tripping up over her own words after Lowry asked her why other EU members are using antigen testing and not us.

They're not for turning or for admitting they got it wrong
have they asked about the Barcelona 5k indoor trial event ? where basically they're might be a max of 5 out of 5k that picked up covid and they're not sure if the 5 got it at the event ; plus some other Oxford Expert...in addition to Mina, the Harvard assist prof of epidemiology are saying he's wrong
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Nolanator wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:03 pm Holohan doubling down.

"We have a better test, so we'll use that".

How are you going to get 20 year olds to get a PCR test in the first place?
It’s a nonsense to try to simplify it as a better test. Yes it’s more sensitive but it’s also much much slower and expensive. The answer isn’t PCR or Rapid Antigen it’s PCR alongside Rapid Antigen. Christ he’s wrong again and again - initial lockdown hesitancy, mask use, projected infection rates, lockdown easing, but he simply can’t admit it.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:46 pm Some of the claims are wild. Other countries are undertaking antigen because they don't have enough capacity for PCR...that's include Germany so who we send tests to ourselves. :lol:

DeGascun "what's the big deal, we can do 175k PCR tests a week", these lads are totally detached from the impact of their decisions.
DeGascun has a fairly blatant direct interest in promoting PCR tests over rapid antigen tests
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False positives a big issue now, talking about how people can't be trusted to carry out the tests correctly.
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Nolanator wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:26 pm False positives a big issue now, talking about how people can't be trusted to carry out the tests correctly.
So let’s tell them to stay in their houses indefinitely then :roll: Jesus wept these guys just won’t let it go will they
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Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:27 pm
Nolanator wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:26 pm False positives a big issue now, talking about how people can't be trusted to carry out the tests correctly.
So let’s tell them to stay in their houses indefinitely then :roll: Jesus wept these guys just won’t let it go will they
It's remarkable. When categorically asked about testing people who are at a highly infectious stage, antigen is 80% effective.
Meanwhile Holohan is pushing that antigen is as good as a coin toss.
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Given up watching.

They're not going to change their minds and Donnelly certainly won't question them.
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camroc1 wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:58 pm
The Sun God wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:36 pm Looking at this MICA shitshow from afar, one thing springs to mind immediately. We cant/wont do proper regulation and compliance in Ireland.

We either do light-touch,self-regulation/ no regulation to complete and utter over the top regulation.

When home, i live in an apartment built 5 years ago...... when next home I think I will start kicking the walls or something to make sure the whole building won't collapse.
It won't have been built of structural blockwork, (it's probably RC framed), and wouldn't have sourced blockwork from Donegal (I doubt they travelled further than Roadstone, Swords).

This sort of thing happens when a small established blockmaker/concrete supplier starts using a new source of aggregates, and doesn't test them on the basis of "sure, it's right next to the old quarry", and trades on the basis of the test certs for the old quarry. By the time any problems come to light, it could be several years down the road, with several years of not-to-spec blocks out there.
I knew you would reply to me Cam...... :thumbup:

One of my oldest friends in Dublin is a consultant engineer.... You write the way he speaks !!
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iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:43 pm Given up watching.

They're not going to change their minds and Donnelly certainly won't question them.
this is the head wrecker ; why dont they get Mina or someone in to challenge him...or anyone on this thread ? you know, the way scientists challenge the sh1t out of each other ; instead you've got the nodding toy dog on the dashboard "cross examining"
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Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:26 pm
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:46 pm Some of the claims are wild. Other countries are undertaking antigen because they don't have enough capacity for PCR...that's include Germany so who we send tests to ourselves. :lol:

DeGascun "what's the big deal, we can do 175k PCR tests a week", these lads are totally detached from the impact of their decisions.
DeGascun has a fairly blatant direct interest in promoting PCR tests over rapid antigen tests
It's simply down to their lack of skin in the game in terms of activating the economy, if the Government changed the goal posts, their attitude would change.

What I fine bizarre about them is that they have never reflected on the errors of the modelling last Autumn. Nolan going on about how 500 cases was disastrous, January should have shown them that they had woefully underestimated the number of cases during the 1st wave and that Jack Lambert was correct. Instead they are comfortable with their existing approach of PCR and modelling, even though it served them so badly. They made better decisions when they had less PCR test data last Spring.
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I'm confused about the January angle ? I thought NHPET used the opening up for Christmas to explain the huge numbers in January and that its us the public, as always that fcuked that up ; I keep hearing that MM and Varadkar are sh1tless to go against NPHET because the last time they did (Christmas) we had the disaster that was January ; bit more nuanced that that I guess
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Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:43 am
Leinsterman wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:08 am Waters saying Varadkar (and I'm paraphrasing) should "f**k off home". Saying he's not Irish and should be working on the buses or in a restaurant.
At which point, the Gemmaroid leans in and says very sincerely "in an INDIAN restaurant..."
:lol: They are just the worst

Waters is a funny one. A self styled intellectual who was feted in the media for years when it was abundantly clear that he was a complete idiot. The pony tail says it all :lol:
Just watched it, pair of lunatics.

The funny thing is the Twitter accounts literally run just to talk about them, obsessed isn't the word. The people who run the Twitter accounts against her and waters are as nuts as they are.

It's actually sad about her, she's clearly mentally ill and should be in a hospital. Her husband's death has obviously driven her insane, no one seems to take this into account.

No defending what she says but I don't understand why people don't just ignore her. Sadly at one time she was a very good journalist.

Waters I dunno what the story with him is, he just seems to be an idiot.
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Second jab on Sunday, about 8 weeks and 5 days between jabs. :thumbup:
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ICU down to 19. Haven't had that since last September.
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ticketlessinseattle wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:37 pm I'm confused about the January angle ? I thought NHPET used the opening up for Christmas to explain the huge numbers in January and that its us the public, as always that fcuked that up ; I keep hearing that MM and Varadkar are sh1tless to go against NPHET because the last time they did (Christmas) we had the disaster that was January ; bit more nuanced that that I guess
Nolan claimed at the height of the first wave that we had 25k active infections and were catching 1 in 3.
. “The article states that ‘it is reasonable to make an educated assumption that tens of thousands of cases were circulating undiagnosed throughout the country’ in March and April, implying that 500-1,000 cases now is less of a problem than it seems.”

Prof Nolan continued : “This ‘educated assumption’ does not stand up to any scrutiny. We know that people with SARS-CoV-2 infection remain infectious for 7-14 days, so a good estimate of active infections is the 14-day cumulative incidence.”

Professor Nolan said the 14-day cumulative incidence is now 207 per 100,000, “so if we are detecting, say, 70-80 percent of infections, we have 12,000-14,000 active infections now compared with about 25,000 at peak.”

“If the basic facts are so badly incorrect, how valid and useful is the opinion?” he asked.
It was the basis of his call for the Level 5 lockdown in October.

It was woeful modelling, on the back of flawed surveillance.

We had a 7 day average of 6,400 new daily cases at the January peak, and weren’t testing close contacts. It is therefore pretty safe to assume therefore that we had 150k-200k active infections at peak in January. The January wave was more deadly than the first, but not significantly so. It’s safe to assume that Jack Lambert was a lot closer to the mark than Nolan was.

I actually think the advice has got worse as things have progressed, the PCR modelling and surveillance has been miles off what was needed.
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Nolanator wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:12 pm ICU down to 19. Haven't had that since last September.
just saw that ; genuinely curious what the total number of people in ICU is for everything - car accidents ; heart attacks etc
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ticketlessinseattle wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:54 pm
Nolanator wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:12 pm ICU down to 19. Haven't had that since last September.
just saw that ; genuinely curious what the total number of people in ICU is for everything - car accidents ; heart attacks etc
It depends on what beds they choose to call ICU beds this week.

If nothing else, this pandemic has shown us the games that the Nurses and Doctors unions, and the HSE and Dept. of Health play.
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Dr Lockdown gets Freedom of Dublin :lol:

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/dr- ... 47848.html

That’s two award ceremonies for him in a week. This country. :lol:
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:27 pm Dr Lockdown gets Freedom of Dublin :lol:

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/dr- ... 47848.html

That’s two award ceremonies for him in a week. This country. :lol:
fudge sake we have put that prick on a pedestal
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BB

The second wave was far worse. Over twice the peak hospitalisations, about 50% more deaths and higher peak ICU. Not surprising as it included a few extra months.
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:27 pm Dr Lockdown gets Freedom of Dublin :lol:

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/dr- ... 47848.html

That’s two award ceremonies for him in a week. This country. :lol:
grand for him, out socialising
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camroc1 wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:59 pm
ticketlessinseattle wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:54 pm
Nolanator wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:12 pm ICU down to 19. Haven't had that since last September.
just saw that ; genuinely curious what the total number of people in ICU is for everything - car accidents ; heart attacks etc
It depends on what beds they choose to call ICU beds this week.

If nothing else, this pandemic has shown us the games that the Nurses and Doctors unions, and the HSE and Dept. of Health play.
how exactly Cam ? completely agree, just trying to figure out the details !
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just got my first dose 8)
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ticketlessinseattle wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:40 pm
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:27 pm Dr Lockdown gets Freedom of Dublin :lol:

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/dr- ... 47848.html

That’s two award ceremonies for him in a week. This country. :lol:
grand for him, out socialising
Someone should tweet that they’re very concerned at reports of people making non essential journeys into the mansion house
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nardol wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:02 pm just got my first dose 8)
Will you change allegiance to Munster as soon as the extra finger sprouts or wait til it fully develops
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Bloody bye-election.

Have had The National Party, Aontú, and the SDs at the door already tonight.
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The hat trick of racists, bead rattlers and hand wringers in one evening! :shock:
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CM11 wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:20 pm BB

The second wave was far worse. Over twice the peak hospitalisations, about 50% more deaths and higher peak ICU. Not surprising as it included a few extra months.
Not for peak deaths, peak deaths went higher last April, though some of that was reporting delays I'd accept. Peak was longer as you say, but I would say the peak number of infections over a 14 days were maybe 25% higher in January. The adherence to last year's first lockdown meant it did not sustain itself, but there was extremely high infection numbers in Ireland in late March and into April.

Overall, point remains, Lambert was closer to the mark here;
Our numbers are still relatively small compared to March and April when it is reasonable to make an educated assumption that tens of thousands of cases were circulating undiagnosed throughout the country. At that time we only had the capacity to test 500 per day at the National Virus Reference Laboratory.
Than Nolan;
Professor Nolan said the 14-day cumulative incidence is now 207 per 100,000, “so if we are detecting, say, 70-80 percent of infections, we have 12,000-14,000 active infections now compared with about 25,000 at peak.”
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Did I read somewhere about some countries taking blood samples at the time of the first Vax shot for antibody testing?
If it came back that you'd sufficient AB levels, then a second dose wasn't necessary.


Sounds like a good idea to get more of the population fully vaxxed sooner, especially if there were so many cases at various stages. Lots of people with some level of immunity already.
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Nolanator wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:41 pm Did I read somewhere about some countries taking blood samples at the time of the first Vax shot for antibody testing?
If it came back that you'd sufficient AB levels, then a second dose wasn't necessary.


Sounds like a good idea to get more of the population fully vaxxed sooner, especially if there were so many cases at various stages. Lots of people with some level of immunity already.
You’re considered fully vaccinated here if you have had an infection in the last 9 months and one dose, so long as you are under 50.

Bizarrely I don’t think they’re actually tracking it. Easy way for them to get an extra couple of percent this month.
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Hope they announce tomorrow when the portal is opening
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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:44 pm
Nolanator wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:41 pm Did I read somewhere about some countries taking blood samples at the time of the first Vax shot for antibody testing?
If it came back that you'd sufficient AB levels, then a second dose wasn't necessary.


Sounds like a good idea to get more of the population fully vaxxed sooner, especially if there were so many cases at various stages. Lots of people with some level of immunity already.
You’re considered fully vaccinated here if you have had an infection in the last 9 months and one dose, so long as you are under 50.

Bizarrely I don’t think they’re actually tracking it. Easy way for them to get an extra couple of percent this month.
Yeah, be an easy win in terms of optics and just boosting the fully vaxxed figure.

On a more useful level, I'd like to see a comparison of costs of paying for mass AB testing to see where they can shave on second doses versus not having people fully integrated back into social/economic activities while waiting for their 2nd shot.
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Nolanator wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:34 pm
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:44 pm
Nolanator wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:41 pm Did I read somewhere about some countries taking blood samples at the time of the first Vax shot for antibody testing?
If it came back that you'd sufficient AB levels, then a second dose wasn't necessary.


Sounds like a good idea to get more of the population fully vaxxed sooner, especially if there were so many cases at various stages. Lots of people with some level of immunity already.
You’re considered fully vaccinated here if you have had an infection in the last 9 months and one dose, so long as you are under 50.

Bizarrely I don’t think they’re actually tracking it. Easy way for them to get an extra couple of percent this month.
Yeah, be an easy win in terms of optics and just boosting the fully vaxxed figure.

On a more useful level, I'd like to see a comparison of costs of paying for mass AB testing to see where they can shave on second doses versus not having people fully integrated back into social/economic activities while waiting for their 2nd shot.
You’re talking about this like the finish line is having the adult population of Ireland fully vaccinated - it isn’t. The finish line is the whole world taking yearly mRNA vaccines for the foreseeable future
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Fair enough. I did just mean locally though. Cost/benefits for the government here and how to get domestic shit sorted as quickly as possible.
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Nolanator wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:42 pm Fair enough. I did just mean locally though. Cost/benefits for the government here and how to get domestic shit sorted as quickly as possible.
I think we’ll just have variant after variant and then getting into flu season again we’ll see numbers climb and the politicians look for the panic button again. Thankfully the genius research and Big Pharma’s massive financial support (if any idiot ever suggests them giving up their patent rights just hit them a slap) that gave us mRNA vaccine technology will save us
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