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Luckycharmer wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:48 am
Banana Man wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:35 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:31 pm
Leinster in London wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:25 pm
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France would have been favourites to beat us , but they’re not amongst the elite of the game . SA, Fiji , NZ , Aus, UK and US would the leading teams at the Olympics I’d say . Not sure we’ve ever beaten Fiji or NZ ?
We beat NZ in 1973. No idea if we've ever met Fiji.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Inte ... Tournament
That’s interesting. I have a vague memory of watching Ireland playing in a full international 7’s tournament in the 90’s - possibly a 7’s World Cup? - and doing quite well in it
Thats quite a memory - was only looking this up today - we got to the semi final proper in 1993 - lost 21-19 to the Aussies, who had the likes of Ofahengaue, Campese and Lynagh playing

England with likes of a young Dallaglio there won 21-17 in the final.
Quite a few familar names on that Irish squad - Richard wallace and cunningham were our best players
No. Player Position
1 Vince Cunningham Centre
2 Eric Elwood Fly-half
3 Mick Galwey Forward
4 Jonathan Garth Forward
5 Brian Glennon
6 Paddy Johns Forward
7 William Mulcahy
8 Dennis McBride Forward
9 Alain Rolland Scrum-half
10 Richard Wallace Wing

English squad that went on to win included 2 lads who went onto to win RWC in 2003- Andrew harriman was a flyer and Sheasby was a 7s specialist who never quite went the whole way at 15s.
England
Coach: Les Cusworth

Adedayo Adebayo
Nick Beal
Justyn Cassell
Lawrence Dallaglio
Matt Dawson
Andrew Harriman (c)
Damian Hopley
Tim Rodber
Chris Sheasby
Dave Scully
Michael Dods*
And 4 lads who went on the 97 Lions tour in Dallaglio, Dawson, Beal and Rodber.
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Banana Man wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:35 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:31 pm
Leinster in London wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:25 pm
Conspicuous wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:58 pm
CM11 wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:49 pm How highly are France rated? We seem to be doing alright in 7s recently but do we actually have a chance to medal?
France would have been favourites to beat us , but they’re not amongst the elite of the game . SA, Fiji , NZ , Aus, UK and US would the leading teams at the Olympics I’d say . Not sure we’ve ever beaten Fiji or NZ ?
We beat NZ in 1973. No idea if we've ever met Fiji.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Inte ... Tournament
That’s interesting. I have a vague memory of watching Ireland playing in a full international 7’s tournament in the 90’s - possibly a 7’s World Cup? - and doing quite well in it
Thats quite a memory - was only looking this up today - we got to the semi final proper in 1993 - lost 21-19 to the Aussies, who had the likes of Ofahengaue, Campese and Lynagh playing

England with likes of a young Dallaglio there won 21-17 in the final.
I can recall 7's as far back as Simon Geoghegan and others being clotheslined by Sivivatu?
Was in England anyway.
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lorcanoworms wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:07 pm
Banana Man wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:35 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:31 pm
Leinster in London wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:25 pm
Conspicuous wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:58 pm

France would have been favourites to beat us , but they’re not amongst the elite of the game . SA, Fiji , NZ , Aus, UK and US would the leading teams at the Olympics I’d say . Not sure we’ve ever beaten Fiji or NZ ?
We beat NZ in 1973. No idea if we've ever met Fiji.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Inte ... Tournament
That’s interesting. I have a vague memory of watching Ireland playing in a full international 7’s tournament in the 90’s - possibly a 7’s World Cup? - and doing quite well in it
Thats quite a memory - was only looking this up today - we got to the semi final proper in 1993 - lost 21-19 to the Aussies, who had the likes of Ofahengaue, Campese and Lynagh playing

England with likes of a young Dallaglio there won 21-17 in the final.
I can recall 7's as far back as Simon Geoghegan and others being clotheslined by Sivivatu?
Was in England anyway.
Don't think Geoghegan ever played 7s for ireland, he would have played for Bath in the middlesex 7s. Doubt he would have ever played Sivivatu either as he would have been around 14 when he retired.
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redderneck wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:54 am Brian Glennon was a bloody classy player. Think injuries banjaxed him?

Remember watching DayGlo in that and thinking there was no way something that big could move that bloody quick, eeeehhhhh, and I'll leave it there. He was freakish at that age.
Careful now :lol:
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Luckycharmer wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:37 pm
lorcanoworms wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:07 pm
Banana Man wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:35 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:31 pm
Leinster in London wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:25 pm

We beat NZ in 1973. No idea if we've ever met Fiji.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Inte ... Tournament
That’s interesting. I have a vague memory of watching Ireland playing in a full international 7’s tournament in the 90’s - possibly a 7’s World Cup? - and doing quite well in it
Thats quite a memory - was only looking this up today - we got to the semi final proper in 1993 - lost 21-19 to the Aussies, who had the likes of Ofahengaue, Campese and Lynagh playing

England with likes of a young Dallaglio there won 21-17 in the final.
I can recall 7's as far back as Simon Geoghegan and others being clotheslined by Sivivatu?
Was in England anyway.
Don't think Geoghegan ever played 7s for ireland, he would have played for Bath in the middlesex 7s. Doubt he would have ever played Sivivatu either as he would have been around 14 when he retired.
It was Ireland Playing Fiji, something like Sivivatu hence the question mark.
Nasty game it was.
Probably Serevi, very popular here before that game.
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I see Matt Dalton has joined Newcastle.

So that's him and Regan released by Ulster, both now on pro contracts elsewhere.
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earl the beaver wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:56 pm I see Matt Dalton has joined Newcastle.

So that's him and Regan released by Ulster, both now on pro contracts elsewhere.
seems like unless you are an exceptional young forward in ulster, you are better off elsewhere.

I wonder where Azur Allison will end up.
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redderneck wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:54 am Brian Glennon was a bloody classy player. Think injuries banjaxed him?

Remember watching DayGlo in that and thinking there was no way something that big could move that bloody quick, eeeehhhhh, and I'll leave it there. He was freakish at that age.
Glennon was very classy, but I think he lacked size, nastiness or top end speed. Add any one of those to his skill-set and he'd have a decent cap-haul I'd say.

Dallaglio in 93 was impressive. So too on the SA tour in 94, and I think he was unlucky to miss out on WC squad selection for 95, albeit some serious talent in the team ahead of him. IIRC Rowell regularly fielded a back-row of Tim Rodber, Ben Clarke and Dean Richards!
In fairness, Dallaglio was a lot leaner in those days. He bulked up a lot in later years, particularly after 03
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redderneck wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:54 am Brian Glennon was a bloody classy player. Think injuries banjaxed him?

Remember watching DayGlo in that and thinking there was no way something that big could move that bloody quick, eeeehhhhh, and I'll leave it there. He was freakish at that age.
He got bigger, though. You look at pics of him from back then and he was a slip of a thing by comparison. He started out as a 7 for England. (Mind, it wasn't long before that that Ben Clarke was playing 7 for them, so...)
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Leinsterman wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:41 am
DragsterDriver wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:10 pm
hermie wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:46 pm
DragsterDriver wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:39 am
hermie wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:23 am Pretty good weekend between the 20s, the 7s, Fla and Radge.
He’s done a great job at quins, always like Jerry the Knacker. Proper hooker.
Serious number of that 00s Munster crop making waves in the coaching world, none of them with Munster of course; RWC-winner Felix Jones, Fla, Radge, Dutchy, Mike Prendergast, POC. Could see Donnacha Ryan following suit pretty soon.
My theory (sorry Munster fans) is that the great Munster team was more workmanlike than Leinster, less naturally talented. They needed to work on their game more and value/valued the coaching.
There were some bloody fine players in that Munster pack though as well. That was their strength.
Also, I'm not sure it was astute analysis and/or being a keen student of the game that got DOC or the Claw as far as they did as players...
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Bad news from Connacht, who announce that 26-year-old flanker Sean O’Brien has been advised to retire from rugby due to concussion.
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irishrugbyua wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:00 pm Bad news from Connacht, who announce that 26-year-old flanker Sean O’Brien has been advised to retire from rugby due to concussion.
Real shame, a proper talent, but just broken by injuries.
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Banana Man wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:04 pm
irishrugbyua wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:00 pm Bad news from Connacht, who announce that 26-year-old flanker Sean O’Brien has been advised to retire from rugby due to concussion.
Real shame, a proper talent, but just broken by injuries.
Indeed. Had a great future ahead until the injuries started. You could cut the amount of maul tries we conceded by half if he was fit. Loved the niggle. Pro 12 winner and a left a big mark.
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Terrible news and you really hate to see it under those circumstances. Met him at the RWC in 2015, lovely chap as well.

In more positive news Lowry is training with the Irish squad :thumbup:
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Sad news on Seanie. A fantastic player that had no luck with injuries. I've no doubt he'd have been good enough for international rugby if he had been able to get a solid string of games together.

Best of luck to him post-rugby. Always made time to chat if I spotted him after a match and a sounder player you won't meet.
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irishrugbyua wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:00 pm Bad news from Connacht, who announce that 26-year-old flanker Sean O’Brien has been advised to retire from rugby due to concussion.
When he first broke through I thought he would get 30+ caps for Ireland. He was that good. Just could never shake the injury bug.

Is that 3 Connacht players now who have had ro retire from injury in their mid 20's over the past few weeks?
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https://www.irishrugby.ie/2021/06/22/ir ... las-vegas/

How much is Ireland getting paid to party in Vegas and beat the minnows...and yes, sure why not...worse trips
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I hope we squeeze them for as much cash as possible to head over there. The IRFU needs every bloody penny it can get at the moment.
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Wales u20 pack is fairly beefy:

1. Garyn Phillips - 6'0, 114kg
2. Efan Daniel - 6'1, 96kg
3. Nathan Evans - 5'9, 119kg
4. Joe Peard - 6'7, 125kg
5. Dafydd Jenkins - 6'7, 114kg
6. Alex Mann (capt) - 6'3, 95kg
7. Harri Deaves - 5'11, 90kg
8. Carwyn Tuipulotu - 6'2, 120kg
16. Oliver Burrows - 6'2, 109kg
17. Theo Bevacqua - 6'0, 115kg
18. Lewys Jones - 6'0, 120kg
19. James Fender - 6'6, 120kg
20. Tristan Davies - 6'4, 104kg
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Luckycharmer wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:48 am
Banana Man wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:35 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:31 pm
Leinster in London wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:25 pm
Conspicuous wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:58 pm

France would have been favourites to beat us , but they’re not amongst the elite of the game . SA, Fiji , NZ , Aus, UK and US would the leading teams at the Olympics I’d say . Not sure we’ve ever beaten Fiji or NZ ?
We beat NZ in 1973. No idea if we've ever met Fiji.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Inte ... Tournament
That’s interesting. I have a vague memory of watching Ireland playing in a full international 7’s tournament in the 90’s - possibly a 7’s World Cup? - and doing quite well in it
Thats quite a memory - was only looking this up today - we got to the semi final proper in 1993 - lost 21-19 to the Aussies, who had the likes of Ofahengaue, Campese and Lynagh playing

England with likes of a young Dallaglio there won 21-17 in the final.
Quite a few familar names on that Irish squad - Richard wallace and cunningham were our best players
No. Player Position
1 Vince Cunningham Centre
2 Eric Elwood Fly-half
3 Mick Galwey Forward
4 Jonathan Garth Forward
5 Brian Glennon
6 Paddy Johns Forward
7 William Mulcahy
8 Dennis McBride Forward
9 Alain Rolland Scrum-half
10 Richard Wallace Wing

English squad that went on to win included 2 lads who went onto to win RWC in 2003- Andrew harriman was a flyer and Sheasby was a 7s specialist who never quite went the whole way at 15s.
England
Coach: Les Cusworth

Adedayo Adebayo
Nick Beal
Justyn Cassell
Lawrence Dallaglio
Matt Dawson
Andrew Harriman (c)
Damian Hopley
Tim Rodber
Chris Sheasby
Dave Scully
Michael Dods*
I remember that.

Chris Sheasby was a player in 7's.
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irishrugbyua wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:42 am Wales u20 pack is fairly beefy:

1. Garyn Phillips - 6'0, 114kg
2. Efan Daniel - 6'1, 96kg
3. Nathan Evans - 5'9, 119kg
4. Joe Peard - 6'7, 125kg
5. Dafydd Jenkins - 6'7, 114kg
6. Alex Mann (capt) - 6'3, 95kg
7. Harri Deaves - 5'11, 90kg
8. Carwyn Tuipulotu - 6'2, 120kg
16. Oliver Burrows - 6'2, 109kg
17. Theo Bevacqua - 6'0, 115kg
18. Lewys Jones - 6'0, 120kg
19. James Fender - 6'6, 120kg
20. Tristan Davies - 6'4, 104kg
bloody 'ell. 4 of them over 120kg?

I want to see the lad who is 5'9" and 119kg :lol:
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Carwyn Tuipulotu - cousin of the Vuniploas and also Faletau. That's some rugby family!
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Boxcar Ira wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:53 am
irishrugbyua wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:42 am Wales u20 pack is fairly beefy:

1. Garyn Phillips - 6'0, 114kg
2. Efan Daniel - 6'1, 96kg
3. Nathan Evans - 5'9, 119kg
4. Joe Peard - 6'7, 125kg
5. Dafydd Jenkins - 6'7, 114kg
6. Alex Mann (capt) - 6'3, 95kg
7. Harri Deaves - 5'11, 90kg
8. Carwyn Tuipulotu - 6'2, 120kg
16. Oliver Burrows - 6'2, 109kg
17. Theo Bevacqua - 6'0, 115kg
18. Lewys Jones - 6'0, 120kg
19. James Fender - 6'6, 120kg
20. Tristan Davies - 6'4, 104kg
bloody 'ell. 4 of them over 120kg?

I want to see the lad who is 5'9" and 119kg :lol:
Is anyone going to say it no
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I have looked him up / social media stalked.

Beautiful specimen of a prop
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Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:04 am
Boxcar Ira wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:53 am
irishrugbyua wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:42 am Wales u20 pack is fairly beefy:

1. Garyn Phillips - 6'0, 114kg
2. Efan Daniel - 6'1, 96kg
3. Nathan Evans - 5'9, 119kg
4. Joe Peard - 6'7, 125kg
5. Dafydd Jenkins - 6'7, 114kg
6. Alex Mann (capt) - 6'3, 95kg
7. Harri Deaves - 5'11, 90kg
8. Carwyn Tuipulotu - 6'2, 120kg
16. Oliver Burrows - 6'2, 109kg
17. Theo Bevacqua - 6'0, 115kg
18. Lewys Jones - 6'0, 120kg
19. James Fender - 6'6, 120kg
20. Tristan Davies - 6'4, 104kg
bloody 'ell. 4 of them over 120kg?

I want to see the lad who is 5'9" and 119kg :lol:
Is anyone going to say it no
Walsh youths are renowned for over-indlging in [REDACTED] chip butties.
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Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:04 am
Boxcar Ira wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:53 am
irishrugbyua wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:42 am Wales u20 pack is fairly beefy:

1. Garyn Phillips - 6'0, 114kg
2. Efan Daniel - 6'1, 96kg
3. Nathan Evans - 5'9, 119kg
4. Joe Peard - 6'7, 125kg
5. Dafydd Jenkins - 6'7, 114kg
6. Alex Mann (capt) - 6'3, 95kg
7. Harri Deaves - 5'11, 90kg
8. Carwyn Tuipulotu - 6'2, 120kg
16. Oliver Burrows - 6'2, 109kg
17. Theo Bevacqua - 6'0, 115kg
18. Lewys Jones - 6'0, 120kg
19. James Fender - 6'6, 120kg
20. Tristan Davies - 6'4, 104kg
bloody 'ell. 4 of them over 120kg?

I want to see the lad who is 5'9" and 119kg :lol:
Is anyone going to say it no
All those lubberly Welsh Salt Marsh Lamb protein shakes, eh? Redact away ta fcuk.
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Noel McNamara leaving Leinster to join the Sharks
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Banana Man wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:21 am Noel McNamara leaving Leinster to join the Sharks
figured he wouldnt be happy to stay in the academy..

I wonder if leinster would have been better off moving Felipe on and bringing Noel into senior coaching setup.

shame to lose him but good for him to get some different coaching experience.
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Boxcar Ira wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:12 am Polish ice baths from an early age
:lol: Careful now
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Boxcar Ira wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:53 am
irishrugbyua wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:42 am Wales u20 pack is fairly beefy:

1. Garyn Phillips - 6'0, 114kg
2. Efan Daniel - 6'1, 96kg
3. Nathan Evans - 5'9, 119kg
4. Joe Peard - 6'7, 125kg
5. Dafydd Jenkins - 6'7, 114kg
6. Alex Mann (capt) - 6'3, 95kg
7. Harri Deaves - 5'11, 90kg
8. Carwyn Tuipulotu - 6'2, 120kg
16. Oliver Burrows - 6'2, 109kg
17. Theo Bevacqua - 6'0, 115kg
18. Lewys Jones - 6'0, 120kg
19. James Fender - 6'6, 120kg
20. Tristan Davies - 6'4, 104kg
bloody 'ell. 4 of them over 120kg?

I want to see the lad who is 5'9" and 119kg :lol:
welsh no.4 has almost 30kgs on irish no. 4 :lol:
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A 20 stone 6’7 lock who can run around the pitch like a demented lunatic for a top level rugby match for 80minutes. Yep. Very impressive.
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Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:32 am A 20 stone 6’7 lock who can run around the pitch like a demented lunatic for a top level rugby match for 80minutes. Yep. Very impressive.
I'll believe that he can run around for 80 minutes when I see it.
Skelton couldn't do it when he was a chonk.
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Banana Man wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:21 am Noel McNamara leaving Leinster to join the Sharks
Good to get outside experience. His career is only going up.
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Nolanator wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:41 am
Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:32 am A 20 stone 6’7 lock who can run around the pitch like a demented lunatic for a top level rugby match for 80minutes. Yep. Very impressive.
I'll believe that he can run around for 80 minutes when I see it.
Skelton couldn't do it when he was a chonk.
Under 20’s matches are very fast, can’t see the point in starting someone that big unless they can shift. He is phenomenally big for his age to be able to play this level of rugby - usually takes many years to put on bulk. Maybe he is just a genetic freak...
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irishrugbyua wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:23 am
Banana Man wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:21 am Noel McNamara leaving Leinster to join the Sharks
figured he wouldnt be happy to stay in the academy..

I wonder if leinster would have been better off moving Felipe on and bringing Noel into senior coaching setup.

shame to lose him but good for him to get some different coaching experience.
Ah bollocks.

Yeah what was the story there. Wasn't there some suggestion Felipe might leave at the start of the pandemic but he reconsidered? You hate to lose a quality homegrown coach like that.
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Sale or Natal btw?
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hermie wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:17 am Sale or Natal btw?
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