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That match was turgid. Two shite unimaginative teams bashing themselves stupid.

Regardless..... I know 15 v 15 the Boks came out on top, but as a Bok supporter, I'm not taking that win to heart, it shouldn't have been 15v15... Kolbe should have been red carded.

Fsf should have been yellow carded.
The Am try? 50/50.
Think there was a clear official plan to have O'Keefe take the pressure off Jonker.

Not a win I'm particularly, or at all, proud of...
As rugby fans all, I hope against hope the next game is a good one, regardless of result.

Hard luck Lions. Had this whole thing been reversed, I'd be beyond pissed.
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Ah, turns and roundabouts. I thought Kolbe's yellow was the right call (imho). Plenty of other stuff happens. Enjoy the deserved win.

It was a tough watch though, ha. I've been watching the olympic 7s rugby non-stop, and geez, this was different :lol:
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You had me at turgid.
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You did turgid better, congrats
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Nah. You won that in the air (and I hate seeing that many kicks but it worked) and in the tight forwards.

Only one team in it in the second half. Lions were lucky to come second (although I would have awarded the try in the first half to the Lions)
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AND-y wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:23 pm You did turgid better, congrats
It was a tale of two turgids.
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F*ck off. Superb 2nd half from the Boks :thumbup:
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TheSmurf wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:18 pm That match was turgid. Two shite unimaginative teams bashing themselves stupid.

Regardless..... I know 15 v 15 the Boks came out on top, but as a Bok supporter, I'm not taking that win to heart, it shouldn't have been 15v15... Kolbe should have been red carded.

Fsf should have been yellow carded.
The Am try? 50/50.
Think there was a clear official plan to have O'Keefe take the pressure off Jonker.

Not a win I'm particularly, or at all, proud of...
As rugby fans all, I hope against hope the next game is a good one, regardless of result.

Hard luck Lions. Had this whole thing been reversed, I'd be beyond pissed.
I thought Kolbe would be red carded but this is a Lions test, a semi social rugby series. Red cards are going to be hard to come by

Am's try? Nothing wrong with it. Ref got it wrong, talking about control. All that was needed was continuous downward pressure which was there

Faf? nothing to it
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sunnybanana wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:27 pm F*ck off. Superb 2nd half from the Boks :thumbup:
Indeed it was a fantastic 2nd half, and based on that, massively proud of the players.
And I speak only for myself: I would be livid had all these calls happen against my team.
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Morgan14 wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:21 pm Ah, turns and roundabouts. I thought Kolbe's yellow was the right call (imho). Plenty of other stuff happens. Enjoy the deserved win.

It was a tough watch though, ha. I've been watching the olympic 7s rugby non-stop, and geez, this was different :lol:
VdM should have been off too.
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Jensrsa wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:33 pm
TheSmurf wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:18 pm That match was turgid. Two shite unimaginative teams bashing themselves stupid.

Regardless..... I know 15 v 15 the Boks came out on top, but as a Bok supporter, I'm not taking that win to heart, it shouldn't have been 15v15... Kolbe should have been red carded.

Fsf should have been yellow carded.
The Am try? 50/50.
Think there was a clear official plan to have O'Keefe take the pressure off Jonker.

Not a win I'm particularly, or at all, proud of...
As rugby fans all, I hope against hope the next game is a good one, regardless of result.

Hard luck Lions. Had this whole thing been reversed, I'd be beyond pissed.
I thought Kolbe would be red carded but this is a Lions test, a semi social rugby series. Red cards are going to be hard to come by

Am's try? Nothing wrong with it. Ref got it wrong, talking about control. All that was needed was continuous downward pressure which was there

Faf? nothing to it
The Laws stipulate that the ball must be in hand. That was dubious at best.

Given the on-field decision, it was hard for the TMO to turn it over.
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Constant pressure caused the Lions to crack and cough up possession consistently.
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Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:42 pm
The Laws stipulate that the ball must be in hand. That was dubious at best.

Given the on-field decision, it was hard for the TMO to turn it over.
Which law is that? Not a law in the rugby law book

Law 21 In-goal
Grounding the ball
1. The ball can be grounded in in-goal:
a. By holding it and touching the ground with it; or
b. By pressing down on it with a hand or hands, arm or arms, or the front of the player’s body from waist to neck.
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Jensrsa wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:45 pm
Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:42 pm
The Laws stipulate that the ball must be in hand. That was dubious at best.

Given the on-field decision, it was hard for the TMO to turn it over.
Which law is that? Not a law in the rugby law book

Law 21 In-goal
Grounding the ball
1. The ball can be grounded in in-goal:
a. By holding it and touching the ground with it; or
b. By pressing down on it with a hand or hands, arm or arms, or the front of the player’s body from waist to neck.
There's a Law specifically about regathering the ball. Nige was talking through it on the Sky coverage.
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Jensrsa wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:45 pm
Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:42 pm
The Laws stipulate that the ball must be in hand. That was dubious at best.

Given the on-field decision, it was hard for the TMO to turn it over.
Which law is that? Not a law in the rugby law book

Law 21 In-goal
Grounding the ball
1. The ball can be grounded in in-goal:
a. By holding it and touching the ground with it; or
b. By pressing down on it with a hand or hands, arm or arms, or the front of the player’s body from waist to neck.
You have to be in control of the ball else it's a knock-on. He didn't have his palm on the ball the whole way to ground. Knocked forward.
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Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:49 pm
Jensrsa wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:45 pm
Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:42 pm
The Laws stipulate that the ball must be in hand. That was dubious at best.

Given the on-field decision, it was hard for the TMO to turn it over.
Which law is that? Not a law in the rugby law book

Law 21 In-goal
Grounding the ball
1. The ball can be grounded in in-goal:
a. By holding it and touching the ground with it; or
b. By pressing down on it with a hand or hands, arm or arms, or the front of the player’s body from waist to neck.
There's a Law specifically about regathering the ball. Nige was talking through it on the Sky coverage.
Am wasn't regathering the ball. He was pressing down on a loose ball
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message #2527204 wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:50 pm
Jensrsa wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:45 pm
Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:42 pm
The Laws stipulate that the ball must be in hand. That was dubious at best.

Given the on-field decision, it was hard for the TMO to turn it over.
Which law is that? Not a law in the rugby law book

Law 21 In-goal
Grounding the ball
1. The ball can be grounded in in-goal:
a. By holding it and touching the ground with it; or
b. By pressing down on it with a hand or hands, arm or arms, or the front of the player’s body from waist to neck.
You have to be in control of the ball else it's a knock-on. He didn't have his palm on the ball the whole way to ground. Knocked forward.
No you don't. Only if you have the ball in your hands and then loses control does control come into play. For a loose ball you only have to press down without losing contact.

I promise you, this is a fact :lol:
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Jensrsa wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:51 pm
Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:49 pm
Jensrsa wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:45 pm
Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:42 pm
The Laws stipulate that the ball must be in hand. That was dubious at best.

Given the on-field decision, it was hard for the TMO to turn it over.
Which law is that? Not a law in the rugby law book

Law 21 In-goal
Grounding the ball
1. The ball can be grounded in in-goal:
a. By holding it and touching the ground with it; or
b. By pressing down on it with a hand or hands, arm or arms, or the front of the player’s body from waist to neck.
There's a Law specifically about regathering the ball. Nige was talking through it on the Sky coverage.
Am wasn't regathering the ball. He was pressing down on a loose ball
Listen back to the TMO conversation. They were discussion the same thing.

The TMO was confident that it was his hand, even though it was dubious.

I'm probably going to back Nigel Owens over 'bloke on the internet', no offence.
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Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:42 pm
Jensrsa wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:33 pm
TheSmurf wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:18 pm That match was turgid. Two shite unimaginative teams bashing themselves stupid.

Regardless..... I know 15 v 15 the Boks came out on top, but as a Bok supporter, I'm not taking that win to heart, it shouldn't have been 15v15... Kolbe should have been red carded.

Fsf should have been yellow carded.
The Am try? 50/50.
Think there was a clear official plan to have O'Keefe take the pressure off Jonker.

Not a win I'm particularly, or at all, proud of...
As rugby fans all, I hope against hope the next game is a good one, regardless of result.

Hard luck Lions. Had this whole thing been reversed, I'd be beyond pissed.
I thought Kolbe would be red carded but this is a Lions test, a semi social rugby series. Red cards are going to be hard to come by

Am's try? Nothing wrong with it. Ref got it wrong, talking about control. All that was needed was continuous downward pressure which was there

Faf? nothing to it
The Laws stipulate that the ball must be in hand. That was dubious at best.

Given the on-field decision, it was hard for the TMO to turn it over.
Try again.
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Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:53 pm Listen back to the TMO conversation. They were discussion the same thing.

The TMO was confident that it was his hand, even though it was dubious.

I'm probably going to back Nigel Owens over 'bloke on the internet', no offence.
I listened and that's why I said their conversation was wrong and not in terms of the law that I quoted above. "Control" should never have entered the conversation

How do you have control with your body from waist to neck, or with your arms?

And I back the law
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Jensrsa wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:33 pmI thought Kolbe would be red carded but this is a Lions test, a semi social rugby series. Red cards are going to be hard to come by

Am's try? Nothing wrong with it. Ref got it wrong, talking about control. All that was needed was continuous downward pressure which was there

Faf? nothing to it
Imo it was yellow if looked at properly, potentially red if refs are sticking to their zero tolerance protocol we saw earlier in the year.

Personally, I'm not looking for the opposition to go down to 14 or 13, when fans (or coaches) do that I think it's an implicit admission your team own can't beat them with a full complement.

Congratulations to SA, it was must-win and they put some pride back into the green shirt today :thumbup:
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Jensrsa wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:56 pm
Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:53 pm Listen back to the TMO conversation. They were discussion the same thing.

The TMO was confident that it was his hand, even though it was dubious.

I'm probably going to back Nigel Owens over 'bloke on the internet', no offence.
I listened and that's why I said their conversation was wrong and not in terms of the law that I quoted above. "Control" should never have entered the conversation

How do you have control with your body from waist to neck, or with your arms?
I'm going to probably fall on the side of the most experienced referee in the game. Sorry boet.
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Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:59 pm
Jensrsa wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:56 pm
Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:53 pm Listen back to the TMO conversation. They were discussion the same thing.

The TMO was confident that it was his hand, even though it was dubious.

I'm probably going to back Nigel Owens over 'bloke on the internet', no offence.
I listened and that's why I said their conversation was wrong and not in terms of the law that I quoted above. "Control" should never have entered the conversation

How do you have control with your body from waist to neck, or with your arms?
I'm going to probably fall on the side of the most experienced referee in the game. Sorry boet.
Your prerogative but you're wrong if he said what you're saying he said. I didn't have access to what he said but I sincerely doubt that Nige would make such a blatant mistake. I know that I'm right on Am's try though
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Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:59 pm
Jensrsa wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:56 pm
Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:53 pm Listen back to the TMO conversation. They were discussion the same thing.

The TMO was confident that it was his hand, even though it was dubious.

I'm probably going to back Nigel Owens over 'bloke on the internet', no offence.
I listened and that's why I said their conversation was wrong and not in terms of the law that I quoted above. "Control" should never have entered the conversation

How do you have control with your body from waist to neck, or with your arms?
I'm going to probably fall on the side of the most experienced referee in the game. Sorry boet.
Nigel Owens has admitted he's never read the laws of the game. Jens is quoting the laws of the game.

I know who I believe.
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Nigel Owens:
"I'd have given Kolbe a red, because there's no mitigation" and it's dangerous play

"The referee's interpretation of the Am try was was what made it. The ball wasn't on the floor, so you can't just fall on it. No try for me. South Africa are lucky to get that one."
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Lemoentjie wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:05 pm
Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:59 pm
Jensrsa wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:56 pm
Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:53 pm Listen back to the TMO conversation. They were discussion the same thing.

The TMO was confident that it was his hand, even though it was dubious.

I'm probably going to back Nigel Owens over 'bloke on the internet', no offence.
I listened and that's why I said their conversation was wrong and not in terms of the law that I quoted above. "Control" should never have entered the conversation

How do you have control with your body from waist to neck, or with your arms?
I'm going to probably fall on the side of the most experienced referee in the game. Sorry boet.
Nigel Owens has admitted he's never read the laws of the game. Jens is quoting the laws of the game.

I know who I believe.
:lol: Thanks
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Jensrsa wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:03 pm
Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:59 pm
Jensrsa wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:56 pm
Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:53 pm Listen back to the TMO conversation. They were discussion the same thing.

The TMO was confident that it was his hand, even though it was dubious.

I'm probably going to back Nigel Owens over 'bloke on the internet', no offence.
I listened and that's why I said their conversation was wrong and not in terms of the law that I quoted above. "Control" should never have entered the conversation

How do you have control with your body from waist to neck, or with your arms?
I'm going to probably fall on the side of the most experienced referee in the game. Sorry boet.
Your prerogative but you're wrong if he said what you're saying he said. I didn't have access to what he said but I sincerely doubt that Nige would make such a blatant mistake. I know that I'm right on Am's try though
You need to take a glance through the Laws. You're showing yourself up a bit.

If the ball is on the floor, any part of the upper body is a grounding.

If the ball is bouncing or in the air, the player needs to bring it to the ground with his hand showing control.

Am put that down with a wrist/forearm at best. Lucky Bokke.
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Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:05 pm Nigel Owens:
"I'd have given Kolbe a red, because there's no mitigation" and it's dangerous play

"The referee's interpretation of the Am try was was what made it. The ball wasn't on the floor, so you can't just fall on it. No try for me. South Africa are lucky to get that one."
I'm going to take your word for what he said.

On Kolbe I agree. I called a red card when it happened and it's only because this is a semi social rugby series that he didn't get it

As to not being allowed to fall on the ball? From what you quoted he's wrong. This happens in 100s of matches every year around the world, including ones he reffed. The ball was loose and Am had every right to fall on it
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I think Jens' understanding of the laws is correct.
I just don't believe he actually put pressure down. That's why I felt it was 50/50, imo
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Jensrsa wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:10 pm
Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:05 pm Nigel Owens:
"I'd have given Kolbe a red, because there's no mitigation" and it's dangerous play

"The referee's interpretation of the Am try was was what made it. The ball wasn't on the floor, so you can't just fall on it. No try for me. South Africa are lucky to get that one."
I'm going to take your word for what he said.

On Kolbe I agree. I called a red card when it happened and it's only because this is a semi social rugby series that he didn't get it

As to not being allowed to fall on the ball? From what you quoted he's wrong. This happens in 100s of matches every year around the world, including ones he reffed. The ball was loose and Am had every right to fall on it
You're being selective in the way the Laws are not.

If you fall on a bouncing ball and don't control with your hand, it's a knock-on.
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Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:13 pm
Jensrsa wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:10 pm
Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:05 pm Nigel Owens:
"I'd have given Kolbe a red, because there's no mitigation" and it's dangerous play

"The referee's interpretation of the Am try was was what made it. The ball wasn't on the floor, so you can't just fall on it. No try for me. South Africa are lucky to get that one."
I'm going to take your word for what he said.

On Kolbe I agree. I called a red card when it happened and it's only because this is a semi social rugby series that he didn't get it

As to not being allowed to fall on the ball? From what you quoted he's wrong. This happens in 100s of matches every year around the world, including ones he reffed. The ball was loose and Am had every right to fall on it
You're being selective in the way the Laws are not.

If you fall on a bouncing ball and don't control with your hand, it's a knock-on.
If I had the inclination I could pull up many instances where similar tries were given, including by Nige

However, I'll wait for Nige's review and take him on if he still says what you say he said
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Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:13 pm
Jensrsa wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:10 pm
Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:05 pm Nigel Owens:
"I'd have given Kolbe a red, because there's no mitigation" and it's dangerous play

"The referee's interpretation of the Am try was was what made it. The ball wasn't on the floor, so you can't just fall on it. No try for me. South Africa are lucky to get that one."
I'm going to take your word for what he said.

On Kolbe I agree. I called a red card when it happened and it's only because this is a semi social rugby series that he didn't get it

As to not being allowed to fall on the ball? From what you quoted he's wrong. This happens in 100s of matches every year around the world, including ones he reffed. The ball was loose and Am had every right to fall on it
You're being selective in the way the Laws are not.

If you fall on a bouncing ball and don't control with your hand, it's a knock-on.
Not if you don't lose contact. If you remain in contact with the ball throughout how cannit be a knock on?
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Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:13 pm If you fall on a bouncing ball and don't control with your hand, it's a knock-on.
There's a difference between maintaining contact while grounding and knocking the ball down, with separation, before grounding. That was what the TMO and ref were looking for
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Clogs wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:18 pm
Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:13 pm
Jensrsa wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:10 pm
Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:05 pm Nigel Owens:
"I'd have given Kolbe a red, because there's no mitigation" and it's dangerous play

"The referee's interpretation of the Am try was was what made it. The ball wasn't on the floor, so you can't just fall on it. No try for me. South Africa are lucky to get that one."
I'm going to take your word for what he said.

On Kolbe I agree. I called a red card when it happened and it's only because this is a semi social rugby series that he didn't get it

As to not being allowed to fall on the ball? From what you quoted he's wrong. This happens in 100s of matches every year around the world, including ones he reffed. The ball was loose and Am had every right to fall on it
You're being selective in the way the Laws are not.

If you fall on a bouncing ball and don't control with your hand, it's a knock-on.
Not if you don't lose contact. If you remain in contact with the ball throughout how cannit be a knock on?
Because without it in his hand, he never has control. It's not the same as falling on a ball on the floor.

These are the Laws. I didn't write them.
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Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:22 pm
Clogs wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:18 pm
Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:13 pm
Jensrsa wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:10 pm
Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:05 pm Nigel Owens:
"I'd have given Kolbe a red, because there's no mitigation" and it's dangerous play

"The referee's interpretation of the Am try was was what made it. The ball wasn't on the floor, so you can't just fall on it. No try for me. South Africa are lucky to get that one."
I'm going to take your word for what he said.

On Kolbe I agree. I called a red card when it happened and it's only because this is a semi social rugby series that he didn't get it

As to not being allowed to fall on the ball? From what you quoted he's wrong. This happens in 100s of matches every year around the world, including ones he reffed. The ball was loose and Am had every right to fall on it
You're being selective in the way the Laws are not.

If you fall on a bouncing ball and don't control with your hand, it's a knock-on.
Not if you don't lose contact. If you remain in contact with the ball throughout how cannit be a knock on?
Because without it in his hand, he never has control. It's not the same as falling on a ball on the floor.

These are the Laws. I didn't write them.

More than happy for you to provide the law about control.
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Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:22 pm
Because without it in his hand, he never has control. It's not the same as falling on a ball on the floor.

These are the Laws. I didn't write them.
The problem is that you aren't quoting the laws. Not the laws of rugby anyway
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Fine final score 20-9 then
And Kolbe red wouldnt have mattered
Needed a bok forward red card
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Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:42 pm
The Laws stipulate that the ball must be in hand. That was dubious at best.

Given the on-field decision, it was hard for the TMO to turn it over.
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Enzedder wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:58 pm
Da iawn diolch wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:42 pm
The Laws stipulate that the ball must be in hand. That was dubious at best.

Given the on-field decision, it was hard for the TMO to turn it over.
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There's always some marginal calls, I don't have an issue with any of the decisions - the fact remains that the best side won. They clearly had the upper hand (in the 2nd half) in the scrums, the line outs and in the kicking. They also played with a bit more ambition. The Lions were incredibly one dimensional and simpy didn't deserve to win.
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