Pakia Pakia wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:50 am
Noob wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:31 am
UncleFB wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:22 am
Noob wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:17 am
Farva wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 5:02 am
Change that statement. There is no excuse, except self defence, for anyone to hit anyone.
What about defending others/ property?
Anyway, I say let him be judged by the courts
and abide by their decision rather than crucify him in the court of public opinion. More importantly we need to stop putting sportsmen on pedestals and use them as role models, we need to teach our kids better and provide good role models ourselves instead of relying on some dude who plays sports for a living to show a good example. My 2 cents.
Have you been following the thread? He isn't being judged by the courts but has admitted guilt under a diversion scheme.
Also, no ones trying to make out he's a big role model.
Apologies, if he's not going to be trialled then that part is moot. It also means that the victim/ legal side have agreed to this course of action and thats the end of it. If every one who had a drunken fight was pilloried in the news it would never end.
The part about role models is regarding our tendency to want to punish people who are celebrities/sportsmen when they do something wrong because they are viewed as role models and setting a bad example. I think this is wrong and is a double standard which can be improved if we remove this tendency to measure sportsmen to a higher moral standard off the field.
I think sportsmen are selected as the best at their sport as opposed to the most morally upright people playing their sport. It's an unpopular opinion I know but I think that sportsmen should be punished legally and then be allowed to return to their sport as I am interested in seeing the best play the best. Probably a bit selfish but whatever. I say give everyone the same treatment. If I have a cheeky affair in the toilets I wouldn't expect it to be in the newspapers, I would hope sportsmen are afforded the same privacy.. but that is a pipedream in this day and age
Frizzel smashed a woman's tooth out when he punched her in the face. It's hardly comparable or relevant to Aaron Smith's toilet sex episode.
No one is asking him to be a role model but being a decent human being is a reasonable expectation for somebody representing the country in the national sport.
A 195cm 110kg power athlete who smashes a woman's face should never play for the ABs again.
Would you treat it differently if he had punched a man?
As I understand it he was in a bar and likely under the influence of alcohol. No one is saying he should be allowed to get off scot free for punching anyone at all but it also doesnt make sense to forever ban him from professional sport at the highest level . I think he should definitely pay reparations, maybe go for some kind of rehabilitation program, but a lifelong ban is a bit overboard in my opinion.
I brought up Aaron Smith mostly as an example of how the media is a bit over the top with these kinds of articles which arent really news and which I feel are not necessary aspects of media coverage regarding sports men.
UncleFB, if I am mistaken regarding diversion being acceptable to the victim then I am sorry, however I assume this can be appealed even if the police choose to make it a diversion? I will admit I am no lawyer. If you take issue with my calling it a drunken fight can I rephrase to a "drunken altercation?"
I think that is one of the issues I'm driving at. I just don't think it should matter so much what they do outside the context of the game. I think I would prefer if everyone focused more on what happens on the pitch. When we see people eye gouge each other on the field or throw punches at each other those are also acts of violent assault which should see people banned for life if the same standards are placed on them as when they are (possibly) drunk in a bar. Why the double standard?
I think that by focussing on the sport and minimizing the role model aspect to purely on-field ability it would be an improvement. I may be wrong of course.
I think that guy smiley makes a good point re not knowing the full circumstances of the event. If the events come out that he was attacking her and her friends unprovoked then sure, throw the book at him.
Anyway, sorry for derailing the thread. If you all disagree that's fine. I may be wrong about this but I guess what matters is what the ABs management and the NZ authorities feel is right.