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bimboman wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:09 pm
Rocketz wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:36 pm
bimboman wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:29 pm Bylines ..... :lol:
?

They seem to have a good honesty rating. One of the higher ones in the UK

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/byline-times/

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As rated by a site no one has ever heard of.


Brilliant stuff , I’d forgotten just how mental you were.
mm that's a pretty hectic generalisation. All I am asking is what is the current situation. Do you have any idea. All other countries are reporting how many jobs they have gained how has the UK faired

As far as I can see and find online it seems to be going swimmingly for certain countries
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Rocketz wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:39 pm
bimboman wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:09 pm
Rocketz wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:36 pm
bimboman wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:29 pm Bylines ..... :lol:
?

They seem to have a good honesty rating. One of the higher ones in the UK

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/byline-times/

Image


As rated by a site no one has ever heard of.


Brilliant stuff , I’d forgotten just how mental you were.
mm that's a pretty hectic generalisation. All I am asking is what is the current situation. Do you have any idea. All other countries are reporting how many jobs they have gained how has the UK faired

As far as I can see and find online it seems to be going swimmingly for certain countries


Sorry post 18 months of global economic devastation some countries report its all going swimmingly? :lol:
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bimboman wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:44 am
Rocketz wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:39 pm
bimboman wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:09 pm
Rocketz wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:36 pm
bimboman wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:29 pm Bylines ..... :lol:
?

They seem to have a good honesty rating. One of the higher ones in the UK

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/byline-times/

Image


As rated by a site no one has ever heard of.


Brilliant stuff , I’d forgotten just how mental you were.
mm that's a pretty hectic generalisation. All I am asking is what is the current situation. Do you have any idea. All other countries are reporting how many jobs they have gained how has the UK faired

As far as I can see and find online it seems to be going swimmingly for certain countries


Sorry post 18 months of global economic devastation some countries report its all going swimmingly? :lol:
Not sure what you mean, brexit is going swimmingly for some countries

Austria

Article from 2020

500 new jobs in Vienna
https://www.vienna.at/brexit-rund-500-b ... gt/6862605 (500 in Vienna)

Article from 2020

Brexit gives Vienna a massive influx of companies
The number of immigrant British companies doubled in the previous year.

https://www.derstandard.at/story/200009 ... in-wien-an

Belgium

1.396 jobs created

Article from 2020

https://www.gva.be/cnt/dmf20200124_0482 ... op%20komst.
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Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:51 am
bimboman wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:44 am
Rocketz wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:39 pm
bimboman wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:09 pm
Rocketz wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:36 pm

?

They seem to have a good honesty rating. One of the higher ones in the UK

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/byline-times/

Image


As rated by a site no one has ever heard of.


Brilliant stuff , I’d forgotten just how mental you were.
mm that's a pretty hectic generalisation. All I am asking is what is the current situation. Do you have any idea. All other countries are reporting how many jobs they have gained how has the UK faired

As far as I can see and find online it seems to be going swimmingly for certain countries


Sorry post 18 months of global economic devastation some countries report its all going swimmingly? :lol:
Not sure what you mean, brexit is going swimmingly for some countries

Austria

Article from 2020

500 new jobs in Vienna
https://www.vienna.at/brexit-rund-500-b ... gt/6862605 (500 in Vienna)

Article from 2020

Brexit gives Vienna a massive influx of companies
The number of immigrant British companies doubled in the previous year.

https://www.derstandard.at/story/200009 ... in-wien-an

Belgium

1.396 jobs created

Article from 2020

https://www.gva.be/cnt/dmf20200124_0482 ... op%20komst.
European propaganda machine. Everyone else is better off in. VDL isn't really an unelected waste of space. etc.
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Rocketz wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:19 pm Any truth to this list

The index of jobs lost through Brexit

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/the-digby-jones-index/

For balance is there a list that shows how many jobs brexit has created

This is how many jobs Brexit had created in France 12/10/2020

4,997

https://www.lepoint.fr/economie/brexit- ... %20quitter.

This is how man jobs have been created in the Netherlands

7400

https://www.accountant.nl/nieuws/2021/4 ... oronavirus.

I wanted to go on to the other countries but I am too lazy
So what's the total number of jobs lost?
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Magpie26 wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:01 am
Rocketz wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:19 pm Any truth to this list

The index of jobs lost through Brexit

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/the-digby-jones-index/

For balance is there a list that shows how many jobs brexit has created

This is how many jobs Brexit had created in France 12/10/2020

4,997

https://www.lepoint.fr/economie/brexit- ... %20quitter.

This is how man jobs have been created in the Netherlands

7400

https://www.accountant.nl/nieuws/2021/4 ... oronavirus.

I wanted to go on to the other countries but I am too lazy
So what's the total number of jobs lost?
In the EU? I am trying to find a list. I think some fisherman are in dire straits but other than that its a net gain.

Just the Netherlands in 2020 reported an direct gain of 7k jobs due to brexit
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Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:55 am
Magpie26 wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:01 am
Rocketz wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:19 pm Any truth to this list

The index of jobs lost through Brexit

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/the-digby-jones-index/

For balance is there a list that shows how many jobs brexit has created

This is how many jobs Brexit had created in France 12/10/2020

4,997

https://www.lepoint.fr/economie/brexit- ... %20quitter.

This is how man jobs have been created in the Netherlands

7400

https://www.accountant.nl/nieuws/2021/4 ... oronavirus.

I wanted to go on to the other countries but I am too lazy
So what's the total number of jobs lost?
In the EU? I am trying to find a list. I think some fisherman are in dire straits but other than that its a net gain
No in the UK, I thought that's what your list was about?
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Magpie26 wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:57 am
Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:55 am
Magpie26 wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:01 am
Rocketz wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:19 pm Any truth to this list

The index of jobs lost through Brexit

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/the-digby-jones-index/

For balance is there a list that shows how many jobs brexit has created

This is how many jobs Brexit had created in France 12/10/2020

4,997

https://www.lepoint.fr/economie/brexit- ... %20quitter.

This is how man jobs have been created in the Netherlands

7400

https://www.accountant.nl/nieuws/2021/4 ... oronavirus.

I wanted to go on to the other countries but I am too lazy
So what's the total number of jobs lost?
In the EU? I am trying to find a list. I think some fisherman are in dire straits but other than that its a net gain
No in the UK, I thought that's what your list was about?
Yep I will see if I can find it
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Magpie26 wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:57 am
Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:55 am
Magpie26 wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:01 am
Rocketz wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:19 pm Any truth to this list

The index of jobs lost through Brexit

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/the-digby-jones-index/

For balance is there a list that shows how many jobs brexit has created

This is how many jobs Brexit had created in France 12/10/2020

4,997

https://www.lepoint.fr/economie/brexit- ... %20quitter.

This is how man jobs have been created in the Netherlands

7400

https://www.accountant.nl/nieuws/2021/4 ... oronavirus.

I wanted to go on to the other countries but I am too lazy
So what's the total number of jobs lost?
In the EU? I am trying to find a list. I think some fisherman are in dire straits but other than that its a net gain
No in the UK, I thought that's what your list was about?

Found this

Brexit Job Loss Index: 436,296 Jobs Lost As Of 31 January 2020

https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/

I think after January alot has happened such as this

HONDA CLOSES SWINDON FACTORY AFTER 35 YEARS OF CAR PRODUCTION
https://www.driving.co.uk/news/business ... -36-years/

But the UK will survive. I dont know what it is going to look like in 10 years
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Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:02 am
Magpie26 wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:57 am
Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:55 am
Magpie26 wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:01 am
Rocketz wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:19 pm Any truth to this list

The index of jobs lost through Brexit

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/the-digby-jones-index/

For balance is there a list that shows how many jobs brexit has created

This is how many jobs Brexit had created in France 12/10/2020

4,997

https://www.lepoint.fr/economie/brexit- ... %20quitter.

This is how man jobs have been created in the Netherlands

7400

https://www.accountant.nl/nieuws/2021/4 ... oronavirus.

I wanted to go on to the other countries but I am too lazy
So what's the total number of jobs lost?
In the EU? I am trying to find a list. I think some fisherman are in dire straits but other than that its a net gain
No in the UK, I thought that's what your list was about?

Found this

Brexit Job Loss Index: 436,296 Jobs Lost As Of 31 January 2020

https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/

I think after January alot has happened such as this

HONDA CLOSES SWINDON FACTORY AFTER 35 YEARS OF CAR PRODUCTION
https://www.driving.co.uk/news/business ... -36-years/

But the UK will survive. I dont know what it is going to look like in 10 years
The Honda factory was closing anyway. Blaming it on Brexit is a bit rich, but typicl of remoaners.
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message #2527204 wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:07 am
Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:02 am
Magpie26 wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:57 am
Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:55 am
Magpie26 wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:01 am

So what's the total number of jobs lost?
In the EU? I am trying to find a list. I think some fisherman are in dire straits but other than that its a net gain
No in the UK, I thought that's what your list was about?

Found this

Brexit Job Loss Index: 436,296 Jobs Lost As Of 31 January 2020

https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/

I think after January alot has happened such as this

HONDA CLOSES SWINDON FACTORY AFTER 35 YEARS OF CAR PRODUCTION
https://www.driving.co.uk/news/business ... -36-years/

But the UK will survive. I dont know what it is going to look like in 10 years
The Honda factory was closing anyway. Blaming it on Brexit is a bit rich, but typicl of remoaners.
Factory was closing anyway?

I'm unaware of any talk of closure of the factory prior to the Referendum.

Whilst the closure announcement itself did not attribute that outcome to Brexit (they still want to sell us their vehicles :roll: ), Honda had hitherto expressed concerns over the potential effects of the Swivellers' "no deal" nirvana.

I guess we must be indebted to you for sharing for your insider knowledge of Honda's historical boardroom thinking in Swindon and Tokyo.

Other factors, yes, but you "know" the closure to have been co-incidental, eh?
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shereblue wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:28 am
message #2527204 wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:07 am
Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:02 am
Magpie26 wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:57 am
Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:55 am

In the EU? I am trying to find a list. I think some fisherman are in dire straits but other than that its a net gain
No in the UK, I thought that's what your list was about?

Found this

Brexit Job Loss Index: 436,296 Jobs Lost As Of 31 January 2020

https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/

I think after January alot has happened such as this

HONDA CLOSES SWINDON FACTORY AFTER 35 YEARS OF CAR PRODUCTION
https://www.driving.co.uk/news/business ... -36-years/

But the UK will survive. I dont know what it is going to look like in 10 years
The Honda factory was closing anyway. Blaming it on Brexit is a bit rich, but typicl of remoaners.
Factory was closing anyway?

I'm unaware of any talk of closure of the factory prior to the Referendum.

Whilst the closure announcement itself did not attribute that outcome to Brexit (they still want to sell us their vehicles :roll: ), Honda had hitherto expressed concerns over the potential effects of the Swivellers' "no deal" nirvana.

I guess we must be indebted to you for sharing for your insider knowledge of Honda's historical boardroom thinking in Swindon and Tokyo.

Other factors, yes, but you "know" the closure to have been co-incidental, eh?
It was closing anyway. Required massive investment to convert to hybrid or electric. Just use google ffs.

Actually, just read the article as posted.
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https://twitter.com/Jefferson_MFG/statu ... 4463840257
UPDATE: British factory output grew at among the fastest rates in history last month. The UK manufacturing PMI reading for July was 60.4 - the 14th consecutive month of growth.
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Brexit Hit to Legal Services Sector

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bimboman wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:00 pm https://twitter.com/Jefferson_MFG/statu ... 4463840257
UPDATE: British factory output grew at among the fastest rates in history last month. The UK manufacturing PMI reading for July was 60.4 - the 14th consecutive month of growth.
Thats fantastic. But there are clouds on the horizon

COVID and Brexit-hit supply chains lead to 'sharp rise' in UK manufacturing costs
https://news.yahoo.com/ihs-markit-manuf ... 31618.html
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Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:28 pm
bimboman wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:00 pm https://twitter.com/Jefferson_MFG/statu ... 4463840257
UPDATE: British factory output grew at among the fastest rates in history last month. The UK manufacturing PMI reading for July was 60.4 - the 14th consecutive month of growth.
Thats fantastic. But there are clouds on the horizon

COVID and Brexit-hit supply chains lead to 'sharp rise' in UK manufacturing costs
https://news.yahoo.com/ihs-markit-manuf ... 31618.html

Wages rising in the working classes. :thumbup:
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bimboman wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:31 pm
Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:28 pm
bimboman wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:00 pm https://twitter.com/Jefferson_MFG/statu ... 4463840257
UPDATE: British factory output grew at among the fastest rates in history last month. The UK manufacturing PMI reading for July was 60.4 - the 14th consecutive month of growth.
Thats fantastic. But there are clouds on the horizon

COVID and Brexit-hit supply chains lead to 'sharp rise' in UK manufacturing costs
https://news.yahoo.com/ihs-markit-manuf ... 31618.html

Wages rising in the working classes. :thumbup:

Agree, allthough I reckon economically factory workers arnt working class

working class
noun [ C usually sing ]
US /ˈwɜr·kɪŋ ˌklæs/

the group of people in society who use physical skills in their jobs and are usually paid by the hour:
a working-class neighborhood/family

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... king-class

Working class in 21st century Europe are the seasonal workers
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shereblue wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:28 am
message #2527204 wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:07 am
Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:02 am
Magpie26 wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:57 am
Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:55 am

In the EU? I am trying to find a list. I think some fisherman are in dire straits but other than that its a net gain
No in the UK, I thought that's what your list was about?

Found this

Brexit Job Loss Index: 436,296 Jobs Lost As Of 31 January 2020

https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/

I think after January alot has happened such as this

HONDA CLOSES SWINDON FACTORY AFTER 35 YEARS OF CAR PRODUCTION
https://www.driving.co.uk/news/business ... -36-years/

But the UK will survive. I dont know what it is going to look like in 10 years
The Honda factory was closing anyway. Blaming it on Brexit is a bit rich, but typicl of remoaners.
Factory was closing anyway?

I'm unaware of any talk of closure of the factory prior to the Referendum.

Whilst the closure announcement itself did not attribute that outcome to Brexit (they still want to sell us their vehicles :roll: ), Honda had hitherto expressed concerns over the potential effects of the Swivellers' "no deal" nirvana.

I guess we must be indebted to you for sharing for your insider knowledge of Honda's historical boardroom thinking in Swindon and Tokyo.

Other factors, yes, but you "know" the closure to have been co-incidental, eh?
Equally what boardroom knowledge do you have that points to Honda closing Swindon due to brexit? The were concerned about no deal, which hasn't materialised. We know what their stated reasons were, you seem to know better.

Also we know large investments into the UK car industry are coming from Nissan and Stellantis, and are expecting more from BMW and Toyota.
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Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:33 pm
bimboman wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:31 pm
Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:28 pm
bimboman wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:00 pm https://twitter.com/Jefferson_MFG/statu ... 4463840257
UPDATE: British factory output grew at among the fastest rates in history last month. The UK manufacturing PMI reading for July was 60.4 - the 14th consecutive month of growth.
Thats fantastic. But there are clouds on the horizon

COVID and Brexit-hit supply chains lead to 'sharp rise' in UK manufacturing costs
https://news.yahoo.com/ihs-markit-manuf ... 31618.html

Wages rising in the working classes. :thumbup:

Agree, allthough I reckon economically factory workers arnt working class

working class
noun [ C usually sing ]
US /ˈwɜr·kɪŋ ˌklæs/

the group of people in society who use physical skills in their jobs and are usually paid by the hour:
a working-class neighborhood/family

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... king-class

Working class in 21st century Europe are the seasonal workers
Look over there, a rabbit.
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ChipSpike wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:46 pm
shereblue wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:28 am
message #2527204 wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:07 am
Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:02 am
Magpie26 wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:57 am

No in the UK, I thought that's what your list was about?

Found this

Brexit Job Loss Index: 436,296 Jobs Lost As Of 31 January 2020

https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/

I think after January alot has happened such as this

HONDA CLOSES SWINDON FACTORY AFTER 35 YEARS OF CAR PRODUCTION
https://www.driving.co.uk/news/business ... -36-years/

But the UK will survive. I dont know what it is going to look like in 10 years
The Honda factory was closing anyway. Blaming it on Brexit is a bit rich, but typicl of remoaners.
Factory was closing anyway?

I'm unaware of any talk of closure of the factory prior to the Referendum.

Whilst the closure announcement itself did not attribute that outcome to Brexit (they still want to sell us their vehicles :roll: ), Honda had hitherto expressed concerns over the potential effects of the Swivellers' "no deal" nirvana.

I guess we must be indebted to you for sharing for your insider knowledge of Honda's historical boardroom thinking in Swindon and Tokyo.

Other factors, yes, but you "know" the closure to have been co-incidental, eh?
Equally what boardroom knowledge do you have that points to Honda closing Swindon due to brexit? The were concerned about no deal, which hasn't materialised. We know what their stated reasons were, you seem to know better.

Also we know large investments into the UK car industry are coming from Nissan and Stellantis, and are expecting more from BMW and Toyota.
To be fair its the UK taxpayers footing the Bill for Nissan and Stellantis. BMW and Toyota will be stupid not to have the government match their investments

Carmakers are fleecing taxpayers
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... evolution/
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Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:52 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:46 pm
shereblue wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:28 am
message #2527204 wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:07 am
Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:02 am


Found this

Brexit Job Loss Index: 436,296 Jobs Lost As Of 31 January 2020

https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/

I think after January alot has happened such as this

HONDA CLOSES SWINDON FACTORY AFTER 35 YEARS OF CAR PRODUCTION
https://www.driving.co.uk/news/business ... -36-years/

But the UK will survive. I dont know what it is going to look like in 10 years
The Honda factory was closing anyway. Blaming it on Brexit is a bit rich, but typicl of remoaners.
Factory was closing anyway?

I'm unaware of any talk of closure of the factory prior to the Referendum.

Whilst the closure announcement itself did not attribute that outcome to Brexit (they still want to sell us their vehicles :roll: ), Honda had hitherto expressed concerns over the potential effects of the Swivellers' "no deal" nirvana.

I guess we must be indebted to you for sharing for your insider knowledge of Honda's historical boardroom thinking in Swindon and Tokyo.

Other factors, yes, but you "know" the closure to have been co-incidental, eh?
Equally what boardroom knowledge do you have that points to Honda closing Swindon due to brexit? The were concerned about no deal, which hasn't materialised. We know what their stated reasons were, you seem to know better.

Also we know large investments into the UK car industry are coming from Nissan and Stellantis, and are expecting more from BMW and Toyota.
To be fair its the UK taxpayers footing the Bill for Nissan and Stellantis. BMW and Toyota will be stupid not to have the government match their investments

Carmakers are fleecing taxpayers
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... evolution/
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/14 ... 3676438529

"This is one of the problems Remainers have. They said Nissan would leave if we voted for Brexit. Nissan hasn't left. So then they say, "Aha! But they're only staying because of massive bribes!!!". But that's not what we were told at the time. We were told "Nissan will leave"."
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mdaclarke wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:55 pm
Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:52 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:46 pm
shereblue wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:28 am
message #2527204 wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:07 am

The Honda factory was closing anyway. Blaming it on Brexit is a bit rich, but typicl of remoaners.
Factory was closing anyway?

I'm unaware of any talk of closure of the factory prior to the Referendum.

Whilst the closure announcement itself did not attribute that outcome to Brexit (they still want to sell us their vehicles :roll: ), Honda had hitherto expressed concerns over the potential effects of the Swivellers' "no deal" nirvana.

I guess we must be indebted to you for sharing for your insider knowledge of Honda's historical boardroom thinking in Swindon and Tokyo.

Other factors, yes, but you "know" the closure to have been co-incidental, eh?
Equally what boardroom knowledge do you have that points to Honda closing Swindon due to brexit? The were concerned about no deal, which hasn't materialised. We know what their stated reasons were, you seem to know better.

Also we know large investments into the UK car industry are coming from Nissan and Stellantis, and are expecting more from BMW and Toyota.
To be fair its the UK taxpayers footing the Bill for Nissan and Stellantis. BMW and Toyota will be stupid not to have the government match their investments

Carmakers are fleecing taxpayers
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... evolution/
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/14 ... 3676438529

"This is one of the problems Remainers have. They said Nissan would leave if we voted for Brexit. Nissan hasn't left. So then they say, "Aha! But they're only staying because of massive bribes!!!". But that's not what we were told at the time. We were told "Nissan will leave"."
I am glad Nissan will stay, and I am glad workers are getting higher wages. I am not a remainer I have been pro brexit all along. I hope the magical money tree lasts and I also hope that Wales doesnt enter austerity again.

Brexit has happened there is no point in dredging up the remain and leave debate. I am more interested in the current economic impact, both in the EU and the UK
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Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:52 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:46 pm
shereblue wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:28 am
message #2527204 wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:07 am
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Found this

Brexit Job Loss Index: 436,296 Jobs Lost As Of 31 January 2020

https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/

I think after January alot has happened such as this

HONDA CLOSES SWINDON FACTORY AFTER 35 YEARS OF CAR PRODUCTION
https://www.driving.co.uk/news/business ... -36-years/

But the UK will survive. I dont know what it is going to look like in 10 years
The Honda factory was closing anyway. Blaming it on Brexit is a bit rich, but typicl of remoaners.
Factory was closing anyway?

I'm unaware of any talk of closure of the factory prior to the Referendum.

Whilst the closure announcement itself did not attribute that outcome to Brexit (they still want to sell us their vehicles :roll: ), Honda had hitherto expressed concerns over the potential effects of the Swivellers' "no deal" nirvana.

I guess we must be indebted to you for sharing for your insider knowledge of Honda's historical boardroom thinking in Swindon and Tokyo.

Other factors, yes, but you "know" the closure to have been co-incidental, eh?
Equally what boardroom knowledge do you have that points to Honda closing Swindon due to brexit? The were concerned about no deal, which hasn't materialised. We know what their stated reasons were, you seem to know better.

Also we know large investments into the UK car industry are coming from Nissan and Stellantis, and are expecting more from BMW and Toyota.
To be fair its the UK taxpayers footing the Bill for Nissan and Stellantis. BMW and Toyota will be stupid not to have the government match their investments

Carmakers are fleecing taxpayers
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... evolution/
They are making large investments and getting tax breaks, which is normal practice. In fact, industry subsidies in the UK typical ran at half the EU average historically, so we have headroom to attract bigger investors and industries.
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EU view of the Car Investments in the UK

https://www.nzz.ch/wirtschaft/brexit-au ... 7#register

Invest or leave? Brexit puts the gun to the chest of car manufacturers in the UK.

Translated

The Brexit trade agreement with the EU forces companies to decide for or against the island. Nissan is now building the country's largest battery factory. But for the industry, it's a race against time.

Benjamin Triebe, London
06.07.2021, 05.30 a.m.

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Boris Johnson celebrates the construction of the battery factory at Nissan in Sunderland.
Boris Johnson celebrates the construction of the battery factory at Nissan in Sunderland.
Reuters
Japanese automaker Nissan has always warned of an uncontrolled Brexit. The operator of the UK's largest car factory has repeatedly questioned the future of its plant in Sunderland, England, if London and Brussels do not agree on a trade agreement after leaving the EU. The agreement succeeded – and now Nissan is helping Brexit Prime Minister Boris Johnson to an important success story: Nissan has the country's first large battery factory built in Sunderland.

Duty-free does not apply automatically
From 2030, the UK will ban the sale of cars with pure combustion engines. But primarily the investment is directly related to the EU trade agreement. This stipulatesthat from 2026, 45% of electric vehicles and 50% of batteries must be manufactured on the island in order to qualify as British products for duty-free import into the EU.

Nissan sells most of its British cars on the continent. So the question for the Japanese was: invest or go? Now Nissan – together with the battery manufacturer Envision – is investing around £1 billion (CHF 1.3 billion). An estimated one tenth is likely to be contributed by the state treasury. Johnson doesn't want to say exactly.

A beginning, not a breakthrough
For the British car industry, this is the first really good news in a long time. But more is needed: In order to secure duty-free exports to the EU for the entire sector, the UK will need battery factories with a capacity of 60 gigawatt hours by 2030, as the industry association SMMT points out. Currently, the country has about 3 gigawatt hours; the Nissan factory will add around 9 gigawatt hours from 2024 and perhaps 25 gigawatt hours later.

The future of great Britain as a bridge to the EU market is by no means assured – and there the battery factories are being built faster and on a larger scale. Meanwhile, Nissan's rival Honda is closing its plant in England this month. The decision was already made in 2019 with reference to "global circumstances".
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ChipSpike wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:05 pm
Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:52 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:46 pm
shereblue wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:28 am
message #2527204 wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:07 am

The Honda factory was closing anyway. Blaming it on Brexit is a bit rich, but typicl of remoaners.
Factory was closing anyway?

I'm unaware of any talk of closure of the factory prior to the Referendum.

Whilst the closure announcement itself did not attribute that outcome to Brexit (they still want to sell us their vehicles :roll: ), Honda had hitherto expressed concerns over the potential effects of the Swivellers' "no deal" nirvana.

I guess we must be indebted to you for sharing for your insider knowledge of Honda's historical boardroom thinking in Swindon and Tokyo.

Other factors, yes, but you "know" the closure to have been co-incidental, eh?
Equally what boardroom knowledge do you have that points to Honda closing Swindon due to brexit? The were concerned about no deal, which hasn't materialised. We know what their stated reasons were, you seem to know better.

Also we know large investments into the UK car industry are coming from Nissan and Stellantis, and are expecting more from BMW and Toyota.
To be fair its the UK taxpayers footing the Bill for Nissan and Stellantis. BMW and Toyota will be stupid not to have the government match their investments

Carmakers are fleecing taxpayers
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... evolution/
They are making large investments and getting tax breaks, which is normal practice. In fact, industry subsidies in the UK typical ran at half the EU average historically, so we have headroom to attract bigger investors and industries.
True but the UK has tradionally been much more free market than the EU which by and large is social democratic. For the Tories to subsidise to this extent is totally un characteristic and I dont see it lasting

So the investment comes but with rising wages (as Bimbo pointed out) will it be competitive enough or will they only be supplying the UK market

These are the largest battery make plants in the EU https://www.automotive-iq.com/electrics ... -in-europe
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message #2527204 wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:08 pm https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pressco ... /IP_20_944

UK bad. EU good?
Not a question of good or bad. The EU has always done this. As another poster pointed out the UK was the od one out with its low government subsidies.
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All those batteries being produced in Italy and Spain. :thumbup:
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Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:57 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:55 pm
Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:52 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:46 pm
shereblue wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:28 am
Factory was closing anyway?

I'm unaware of any talk of closure of the factory prior to the Referendum.

Whilst the closure announcement itself did not attribute that outcome to Brexit (they still want to sell us their vehicles :roll: ), Honda had hitherto expressed concerns over the potential effects of the Swivellers' "no deal" nirvana.

I guess we must be indebted to you for sharing for your insider knowledge of Honda's historical boardroom thinking in Swindon and Tokyo.

Other factors, yes, but you "know" the closure to have been co-incidental, eh?
Equally what boardroom knowledge do you have that points to Honda closing Swindon due to brexit? The were concerned about no deal, which hasn't materialised. We know what their stated reasons were, you seem to know better.

Also we know large investments into the UK car industry are coming from Nissan and Stellantis, and are expecting more from BMW and Toyota.
To be fair its the UK taxpayers footing the Bill for Nissan and Stellantis. BMW and Toyota will be stupid not to have the government match their investments

Carmakers are fleecing taxpayers
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... evolution/
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/14 ... 3676438529

"This is one of the problems Remainers have. They said Nissan would leave if we voted for Brexit. Nissan hasn't left. So then they say, "Aha! But they're only staying because of massive bribes!!!". But that's not what we were told at the time. We were told "Nissan will leave"."
I am glad Nissan will stay, and I am glad workers are getting higher wages. I am not a remainer I have been pro brexit all along. I hope the magical money tree lasts and I also hope that Wales doesnt enter austerity again.

Brexit has happened there is no point in dredging up the remain and leave debate. I am more interested in the current economic impact, both in the EU and the UK
Currently the UK employment rate is higher than most EU countries, only bettered by Germany and the Netherlands - OECD data. The other exiter, Switzerland has the highest employment rate. Currently the IMF are saying the UK will be the joint fastest growing advanced economy in 2021.
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ChipSpike wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:22 pm
Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:57 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:55 pm
Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:52 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:46 pm

Equally what boardroom knowledge do you have that points to Honda closing Swindon due to brexit? The were concerned about no deal, which hasn't materialised. We know what their stated reasons were, you seem to know better.

Also we know large investments into the UK car industry are coming from Nissan and Stellantis, and are expecting more from BMW and Toyota.
To be fair its the UK taxpayers footing the Bill for Nissan and Stellantis. BMW and Toyota will be stupid not to have the government match their investments

Carmakers are fleecing taxpayers
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... evolution/
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/14 ... 3676438529

"This is one of the problems Remainers have. They said Nissan would leave if we voted for Brexit. Nissan hasn't left. So then they say, "Aha! But they're only staying because of massive bribes!!!". But that's not what we were told at the time. We were told "Nissan will leave"."
I am glad Nissan will stay, and I am glad workers are getting higher wages. I am not a remainer I have been pro brexit all along. I hope the magical money tree lasts and I also hope that Wales doesnt enter austerity again.

Brexit has happened there is no point in dredging up the remain and leave debate. I am more interested in the current economic impact, both in the EU and the UK
Currently the UK employment rate is higher than most EU countries, only bettered by Germany and the Netherlands - OECD data. The other exiter, Switzerland has the highest employment rate. Currently the IMF are saying the UK will be the joint fastest growing advanced economy in 2021.
As far as I understand it it is because the UK statistically records zero hour contracts as employment and the EU does not. Here in Sweden zero hour contracts are illegal. Our society see it as exploitation
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That is strange and I wish some one could explain it. A International treaty was negotiated over 4 years. It was signed and approved by the UK parliament and the PM. The UK has been putting off implementing its part of the agreement which is understandable given the complexity. Everybody knew it would be difficult and before they have implemented their side they want to give it up? And blame the EU.

It really doesnt make sense.

How does NI feel about it?
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Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:43 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:22 pm
Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:57 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:55 pm
Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:52 pm

To be fair its the UK taxpayers footing the Bill for Nissan and Stellantis. BMW and Toyota will be stupid not to have the government match their investments

Carmakers are fleecing taxpayers
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... evolution/
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/14 ... 3676438529

"This is one of the problems Remainers have. They said Nissan would leave if we voted for Brexit. Nissan hasn't left. So then they say, "Aha! But they're only staying because of massive bribes!!!". But that's not what we were told at the time. We were told "Nissan will leave"."
I am glad Nissan will stay, and I am glad workers are getting higher wages. I am not a remainer I have been pro brexit all along. I hope the magical money tree lasts and I also hope that Wales doesnt enter austerity again.

Brexit has happened there is no point in dredging up the remain and leave debate. I am more interested in the current economic impact, both in the EU and the UK
Currently the UK employment rate is higher than most EU countries, only bettered by Germany and the Netherlands - OECD data. The other exiter, Switzerland has the highest employment rate. Currently the IMF are saying the UK will be the joint fastest growing advanced economy in 2021.
As far as I understand it it is because the UK statistically records zero hour contracts as employment and the EU does not. Here in Sweden zero hour contracts are illegal


Your understanding is nonsense as usual.
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bimboman wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:47 pm
Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:43 pm
ChipSpike wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:22 pm
Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:57 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:55 pm

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/14 ... 3676438529

"This is one of the problems Remainers have. They said Nissan would leave if we voted for Brexit. Nissan hasn't left. So then they say, "Aha! But they're only staying because of massive bribes!!!". But that's not what we were told at the time. We were told "Nissan will leave"."
I am glad Nissan will stay, and I am glad workers are getting higher wages. I am not a remainer I have been pro brexit all along. I hope the magical money tree lasts and I also hope that Wales doesnt enter austerity again.

Brexit has happened there is no point in dredging up the remain and leave debate. I am more interested in the current economic impact, both in the EU and the UK
Currently the UK employment rate is higher than most EU countries, only bettered by Germany and the Netherlands - OECD data. The other exiter, Switzerland has the highest employment rate. Currently the IMF are saying the UK will be the joint fastest growing advanced economy in 2021.
As far as I understand it it is because the UK statistically records zero hour contracts as employment and the EU does not. Here in Sweden zero hour contracts are illegal


Your understanding is nonsense as usual.
Not really, the EU is less capitalistic than the UK (hence zero hour contracts). One of the reasons I always knew brexit will happen. Two competing life ideologies.
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Brexit's Feared Diplomatic Crises Have Begun

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Not really, the EU is less capitalistic than the UK (hence zero hour contracts). One of the reasons I always knew brexit will happen. Two competing life ideologies.

Are you saying that the EU have banned zero hour contracts ?
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bimboman wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:56 pm
Not really, the EU is less capitalistic than the UK (hence zero hour contracts). One of the reasons I always knew brexit will happen. Two competing life ideologies.

Are you saying that the EU have banned zero hour contracts ?
No I did not say that
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Rocketz wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:57 pm
bimboman wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:56 pm
Not really, the EU is less capitalistic than the UK (hence zero hour contracts). One of the reasons I always knew brexit will happen. Two competing life ideologies.

Are you saying that the EU have banned zero hour contracts ?
No I did not say that


Just heavily implied it then, either way the numbers regarding unemployment in the EU are shocking having an “ideology “ ruining lives that way would be odd.
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