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Having one hungry hungry biter in your team is unfortunate, but having two is just carelessness.
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Jeff definitely receives a notification any time AWJ is posted on here :nod:
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ovalball wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:50 pm
C69 wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:44 pm
ovalball wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:27 pm
C69 wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:22 pm Wtf has an old English journeyman got to do with the the Lions? :lol:
Ffs Robshaw never even got on a Lions Tour let alone any where near the test team.
He reminds me a lot of John Thomas tbh.
I think you may have missed the point. That 'journeyman' always produced great stats - but they didn't even get him a game as a dirt tracker.
No one outside of England rated him or even thinks about him tbh.
Lots of our teams have non entities who ha dloads of caps.
That's exactly my point - yet he consistenty produced excellent stats at International level.
:lol: his nickname was Captain Fantastic as he was several leagues below Captain Sam
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ZuLu wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:16 pm Jeff definitely receives a notification any time AWJ is posted on here :nod:
I've been teaching the ingrates of this insane asylum the finer points of rugby for the past 17 years...I'm not about to stop now. :thumbup:
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Frodder wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:20 pm
ovalball wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:50 pm
C69 wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:44 pm
ovalball wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:27 pm
C69 wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:22 pm Wtf has an old English journeyman got to do with the the Lions? :lol:
Ffs Robshaw never even got on a Lions Tour let alone any where near the test team.
He reminds me a lot of John Thomas tbh.
I think you may have missed the point. That 'journeyman' always produced great stats - but they didn't even get him a game as a dirt tracker.
No one outside of England rated him or even thinks about him tbh.
Lots of our teams have non entities who ha dloads of caps.
That's exactly my point - yet he consistenty produced excellent stats at International level.
:lol: his nickname was Captain Fantastic as he was several leagues below Captain Sam
Another one totally missing the point.
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C69 wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:44 pm
ovalball wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:27 pm
C69 wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:22 pm Wtf has an old English journeyman got to do with the the Lions? :lol:
Ffs Robshaw never even got on a Lions Tour let alone any where near the test team.
He reminds me a lot of John Thomas tbh.
I think you may have missed the point. That 'journeyman' always produced great stats - but they didn't even get him a game as a dirt tracker.
No one outside of England rated him or even thinks about him tbh.
Lots of our teams have non entities who ha dloads of caps.
AWJ is Robshaw with a functioning brain.
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Sorry if RR, but Rugby Onslaught have linked to this GIF of Kolisi headbutting Maro in the 1st Test and they're wondering how Rassie missed it in his even-handed summary of refereeing mistakes:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1421434233189449730
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mabunch78 wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:27 am Sorry if RR, but Rugby Onslaught have linked to this GIF of Kolisi headbutting Maro in the 1st Test and they're wondering how Rassie missed it in his even-handed summary of refereeing mistakes:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1421434233189449730
Clearout nothing in it. :thumbup:
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DragsterDriver wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:01 am
C69 wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:44 pm
ovalball wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:27 pm
C69 wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:22 pm Wtf has an old English journeyman got to do with the the Lions? :lol:
Ffs Robshaw never even got on a Lions Tour let alone any where near the test team.
He reminds me a lot of John Thomas tbh.
I think you may have missed the point. That 'journeyman' always produced great stats - but they didn't even get him a game as a dirt tracker.
No one outside of England rated him or even thinks about him tbh.
Lots of our teams have non entities who ha dloads of caps.
AWJ is Robshaw with a functioning brain.
So the point is Robshaw has no functioning brain. Well that's cleared that up
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DragsterDriver wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 5:57 pm
Magpie26 wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 5:37 pm
CM11 wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 5:23 pm Henshaw is a step down because Farrell at 12, in form, is exactly what's needed. However that would push Henshaw out and I think he'd match Davies there or at least give him a run for his money. The story of Henshaw's career is that he keeps being pushed into 12 because he's physical enough for the position while we've had enough quality at 13 for it to make sense (and less quality at 12) but 13 is definitely his best position.
Pretty much agree.
I thought he was a better 15 but Ireland are well stocked there :)
He was poor at 15.
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ox wagon wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:00 pm Having one hungry hungry biter in your team is unfortunate, but having two is just carelessness.
Gatland hasn't been feeding them
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RWC2015 wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:12 pm
Mr. Very Popular wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:02 pm
Frodder wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:00 pm ROG says the backline should include Murray, Aki and Henshaw. Can you spot a theme
Yup, players that have played together.
Controversial opinion but Murray was excellent. Lions were 9-11 down when he went off. Passing and kicking on the money and the only piece of creative play in tests came from him (chip for Henshaw). I say this as a massive murray skeptic. Price is pretty shite.
Connor was missing at rucks, possibly engaged elsewhere but even so very slow.
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mabunch78 wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:27 am Sorry if RR, but Rugby Onslaught have linked to this GIF of Kolisi headbutting Maro in the 1st Test and they're wondering how Rassie missed it in his even-handed summary of refereeing mistakes:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1421434233189449730
Interesting note in the comments (if true)
Total Metres carried in Lions Tests since 2009 (using ESPN):

2009 - 524, 788, 1025
2013 - 782, 599, 762
2017 - 971, 453, 780
2021 - 531, 284
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There was a lot made in the press about Harris's numbers, but I just caught Duhan's stats on ESPN.

1 carry for zero metres, no clean breaks, no defenders beaten. One tackle completed, one missed, and one turnover conceded.

Has a winger ever had less impact on a Lions test?
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lorcanoworms wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:19 am
RWC2015 wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:12 pm
Mr. Very Popular wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:02 pm
Frodder wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:00 pm ROG says the backline should include Murray, Aki and Henshaw. Can you spot a theme
Yup, players that have played together.
Controversial opinion but Murray was excellent. Lions were 9-11 down when he went off. Passing and kicking on the money and the only piece of creative play in tests came from him (chip for Henshaw). I say this as a massive murray skeptic. Price is pretty shite.
Connor was missing at rucks, possibly engaged elsewhere but even so very slow.
I don't think it was his speed that caused us problems, but he was notably absent at 2-3 rucks in quick succession in the first half.

Shades of SA gamesmanship, paying back the 'attention' on Faf in the first test?

The bigger issue was that we just weren't able to secure our own ball, and were constantly at the mercy of the Springbok counter-ruck. Even if they didn't steal it every time, it was causing even slower ball which you can't really play off in the face of a rush defence.

Biggar got some criticism for kicking so much. I don't think he had a bad game, per se - he was just at the mercy of everything going on before the ball got to him.
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Am I the only one who is surprised at how little Tom Curry has been able to impact these tests?

For a super-fit, physical specimen, this series should be absolute bread and butter. Instead, he's just playing a very dutiful, attritional game. Lydiate-esque, if you will. He's more talented by far, but we're not seeing it.

No busting carries, no massive shots in defence, and the fact that our ruck is still struggling suggests that he might deserve a week off in favour of Watson or Navidi.

Commentators mentioned that he'd played 5 of the last 6 games, so he'd be justifiably shagged.
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Da iawn diolch wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:16 am There was a lot made in the press about Harris's numbers, but I just caught Duhan's stats on ESPN.

1 carry for zero metres, no clean breaks, no defenders beaten. One tackle completed, one missed, and one turnover conceded.

Has a winger ever had less impact on a Lions test?
I'm assuming that 1 tackle was the dodgy effort he could have been carded for?
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Frodder wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:24 am
Da iawn diolch wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:16 am There was a lot made in the press about Harris's numbers, but I just caught Duhan's stats on ESPN.

1 carry for zero metres, no clean breaks, no defenders beaten. One tackle completed, one missed, and one turnover conceded.

Has a winger ever had less impact on a Lions test?
I'm assuming that 1 tackle was the dodgy effort he could have been carded for?
Christ. I hadn't even considered that.

Either way, there was absolutely no way in hell that was a YC. Even a penalty would have been harsh.

I'm sure he knew what he was doing, but he had his head down and had a reasonable argument that he couldn't have known that the ball had been passed.

PSDT was unlucky to go off injured, but that was really a nothing tackle that the refereeing team got right IMHO.
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Da iawn diolch wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:23 am Am I the only one who is surprised at how little Tom Curry has been able to impact these tests?

For a super-fit, physical specimen, this series should be absolute bread and butter. Instead, he's just playing a very dutiful, attritional game. Lydiate-esque, if you will. He's more talented by far, but we're not seeing it.

No busting carries, no massive shots in defence, and the fact that our ruck is still struggling suggests that he might deserve a week off in favour of Watson or Navidi.

Commentators mentioned that he'd played 5 of the last 6 games, so he'd be justifiably shagged.
He'll be playing to tactics that are better suited to Watson. Plus he's obviously got a big target on him, flying headbutts are allowed.
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Da iawn diolch wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:16 am There was a lot made in the press about Harris's numbers, but I just caught Duhan's stats on ESPN.

1 carry for zero metres, no clean breaks, no defenders beaten. One tackle completed, one missed, and one turnover conceded.

Has a winger ever had less impact on a Lions test?
the "trip" was appalling - much more of a kick than a trip

of all the incidents it was the one most likely to cause a long term injury
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Monk Zombie wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:29 am
Da iawn diolch wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:16 am There was a lot made in the press about Harris's numbers, but I just caught Duhan's stats on ESPN.

1 carry for zero metres, no clean breaks, no defenders beaten. One tackle completed, one missed, and one turnover conceded.

Has a winger ever had less impact on a Lions test?
the "trip" was appalling - much more of a kick than a trip

of all the incidents it was the one most likely to cause a long term injury
I mean, you're completely wrong there.

Tipping a bloke over in the air so that he lands on his neck is one of the worst things that can happen in the game. A shoulder or head to the opposition head is also a career-shortener.

By contrast, a kick in the shins is minor - although a well-deserved yellow.
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Da iawn diolch wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:32 am
Monk Zombie wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:29 am
Da iawn diolch wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:16 am There was a lot made in the press about Harris's numbers, but I just caught Duhan's stats on ESPN.

1 carry for zero metres, no clean breaks, no defenders beaten. One tackle completed, one missed, and one turnover conceded.

Has a winger ever had less impact on a Lions test?
the "trip" was appalling - much more of a kick than a trip

of all the incidents it was the one most likely to cause a long term injury
I mean, you're completely wrong there.

Tipping a bloke over in the air so that he lands on his neck is one of the worst things that can happen in the game. A shoulder or head to the opposition head is also a career-shortener.

By contrast, a kick in the shins is minor - although a well-deserved yellow.
Something like this

https://twitter.com/SARugbymag/status/1 ... le-roux%2F
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Pole wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:38 am
Da iawn diolch wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:32 am
Monk Zombie wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:29 am
Da iawn diolch wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:16 am There was a lot made in the press about Harris's numbers, but I just caught Duhan's stats on ESPN.

1 carry for zero metres, no clean breaks, no defenders beaten. One tackle completed, one missed, and one turnover conceded.

Has a winger ever had less impact on a Lions test?
the "trip" was appalling - much more of a kick than a trip

of all the incidents it was the one most likely to cause a long term injury
I mean, you're completely wrong there.

Tipping a bloke over in the air so that he lands on his neck is one of the worst things that can happen in the game. A shoulder or head to the opposition head is also a career-shortener.

By contrast, a kick in the shins is minor - although a well-deserved yellow.
Something like this

https://twitter.com/SARugbymag/status/1 ... le-roux%2F
Similar in outcome, yes.

Although World Rugby have different Laws and sanction frameworks to deal with tip-tackles and challenges in the air, so it suggests they don't consider them the same.
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Hopefully the team can rediscover the accuracy, energy and will/drive from the first test.
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Team announcement at midday if anyone cares
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ox wagon wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:00 pm Having one hungry hungry biter in your team is unfortunate, but having two is just carelessness.
What will come out in the fullness of time after this series is how the Lions tried to niggle the boks to retaliate and at the slightest nudge or bump dived and rolled around like soccer players in the hopes the ref's felt the boks were the dirty team. A truly sad day in the history of these matches.

I hope the last test us played in the right spirit. Sadly I fear one team might be trying to get the other team to play with 14 men because that is the only way they feel they stand a chance of winning.
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Da iawn diolch wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:16 am There was a lot made in the press about Harris's numbers, but I just caught Duhan's stats on ESPN.

1 carry for zero metres, no clean breaks, no defenders beaten. One tackle completed, one missed, and one turnover conceded.

Has a winger ever had less impact on a Lions test?
Has a winger ever been given less ball?

He's a great weapon, but was the wrong choice for Gatland's tactics. No point in having him or LRZ if all you are going to do is kick it. If you are actually intending on using the backs, then fine, but pointless if not.

Gats seems to have decided on his tactics and is picking teams to suit that, and if so, he got his selections wrong. If anyone is to take heat, it should be Hogg. It was a game for full backs and he muffed it.
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British and Irish Lions: Williams; Adams, Henshaw, Aki, Van der Merwe; Biggar, Price; Jones, Owens, Furlong, Itoje, A Wyn Jones (c), Lawes, Curry, Conan

Replacements: Cowan-Dickie, Vunipola, Sinckler, Beard, Simmonds, Murray, Russell, Daly
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willmac wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:05 pm British and Irish Lions: Williams; Adams, Henshaw, Aki, Van der Merwe; Biggar, Price; Jones, Owens, Furlong, Itoje, A Wyn Jones (c), Lawes, Curry, Conan

Replacements: Cowan-Dickie, Vunipola, Sinckler, Beard, Simmonds, Murray, Russell, Daly
Holy shit!
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willmac wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:05 pm British and Irish Lions: Williams; Adams, Henshaw, Aki, Van der Merwe; Biggar, Price; Jones, Owens, Furlong, Itoje, A Wyn Jones (c), Lawes, Curry, Conan

Replacements: Cowan-Dickie, Vunipola, Sinckler, Beard, Simmonds, Murray, Russell, Daly
Kind of shocked Jamie George didn't even get on the bench for any of the tests
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So 2 "Scots" survive and super Finn is on his way.

Ken starting is a travesty.

Harris looks like a failed experiment and that back row can count itself very fortunate

Whatever happens Saturday this bored will be in meltdown
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willmac wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:05 pm British and Irish Lions: Williams; Adams, Henshaw, Aki, Van der Merwe; Biggar, Price; Jones, Owens, Furlong, Itoje, A Wyn Jones (c), Lawes, Curry, Conan

Replacements: Cowan-Dickie, Vunipola, Sinckler, Beard, Simmonds, Murray, Russell, Daly
Good luck with that lot. I see the scot coaches have sneaked Finn in there to compensate for Hogg and Sutherland.
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Van der Merwe is the guy you keep from that back 3. Jesus.

Same backrow that was largely absent on Saturday with Simmonds on the bench to "rescue" things scares the shit out of me too.
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Surely those half back combinations are the wrong way around?

I can only assume they plan to use VDM in a very different way and in a way. He and Owens must be embarrassed. Williams will have to have a good breakfast I think.
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I wonder what's happened to Jamie George.
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LRZ can feel a bit hard done by, not even a series bench play for one of most in form wingers in nh.
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Red Revolution wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:16 pm Van der Merwe is the guy you keep from that back 3. Jesus.

Same backrow that was largely absent on Saturday with Simmonds on the bench to "rescue" things scares the shit out of me too.
Same tactics I guess, to tire out the fat fvcks? Bring on Simmonds and Russell late on to inject pace?
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Same game plan then, just hoping for more accuracy.

I will be putting my money where my mouth is and going all in on The Boks by more than 20. Wish me luck.
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Dobbin wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:21 pm I wonder what's happened to Jamie George.
and LRZ
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