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iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:56 pm I see it like this.

The EU was originally ( as the European coal and steel community) created so European countries wouldn't fight with each other again. It was a US construct.

If the UK ,US and Aus want to contain China to protect western interests then let them . I see that as a good thing and something the EU can benefit from without having to take part.

The EU should focus on its own objectives and that's ensuring prosperity and good trade across the bloc. Massive internal market. We should be thankful.
Yes, fair assessment. Let's take care of our own shit. Plenty of work to do.
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iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:03 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:00 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:56 pm I see it like this.

The EU was originally ( as the European coal and steel community) created so European countries wouldn't fight with each other again. It was a US construct.

If the UK ,US and Aus want to contain China to protect western interests then let them . I see that as a good thing and something the EU can benefit from without having to take part.

The EU should focus on its own objectives and that's ensuring prosperity and good trade across the bloc. Massive internal market. We should be thankful.
The sub deal is basically a threat to China to make it think twice about taking Taiwan. It's hard being the good guys, you certainly don't get any thanks from your neighbours but, when did we need the approval of the Germans, French and Irish anyway?
You're right. The USA don't need approval from anyone as the Iraq wars and Afghanistan showed.

Somebody said it yesterday. The yanks are using Australia to police China in the Indo Pacific.
Thank goodness.

You're right, you can continue in your club, safe in the knowledge that someone else other than you is keeping an eye on potential enemies that could effect the world.

We tried and failed to bring better lives to the people of Afghanistan. The French, Germans and Irish, again, were more than happy for other people to do that.
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I see that before the news broke about Subgate, VDL was discussing a European Army, again.

Quite a few feathers ruffled I believe.
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DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:07 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:03 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:00 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:56 pm I see it like this.

The EU was originally ( as the European coal and steel community) created so European countries wouldn't fight with each other again. It was a US construct.

If the UK ,US and Aus want to contain China to protect western interests then let them . I see that as a good thing and something the EU can benefit from without having to take part.

The EU should focus on its own objectives and that's ensuring prosperity and good trade across the bloc. Massive internal market. We should be thankful.
The sub deal is basically a threat to China to make it think twice about taking Taiwan. It's hard being the good guys, you certainly don't get any thanks from your neighbours but, when did we need the approval of the Germans, French and Irish anyway?
You're right. The USA don't need approval from anyone as the Iraq wars and Afghanistan showed.

Somebody said it yesterday. The yanks are using Australia to police China in the Indo Pacific.
Thank goodness.

You're right, you can continue in your club, safe in the knowledge that someone else other than you is keeping an eye on potential enemies that could effect the world.

We tried and failed to bring better lives to the people of Afghanistan. The French, Germans and Irish, again, were more than happy for other people to do that.
Keep doing that.

I'm happy to watch from a distance drinking my guinness.
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It still makes me smile that you have to pay 50% more for a pint (in view of the place that actually makes it) than we do in the UK)

Enjoy. :thumbup:
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DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:08 pm I see that before the news broke about Subgate, VDL was discussing a European Army, again.

Quite a few feathers ruffled I believe.
That's going to happen anyway. That's not about China though. That's eastern Europe's security from Russia and who knows with Turkey in future especially if NATO slowly ceases to exist
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iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:11 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:08 pm I see that before the news broke about Subgate, VDL was discussing a European Army, again.

Quite a few feathers ruffled I believe.
That's going to happen anyway. That's not about China though. That's eastern Europe's security from Russia and who knows with Turkey in future especially if NATO slowly ceases to exist
Yup. Just remember that if NATO slowly ceases to exist, it's not the UK or USA's fault.

Not that you have a dog in the fight, mind.
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DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:11 pm It still makes me smile that you have to pay 50% more for a pint (in view of the place that actually makes it) than we do in the UK)

Enjoy. :thumbup:
5 euro for a pint in Dublin. Its almost 5 pounds in Sheffield. I live right beside St Jame's Gate Brewery. Lovely smell of hops this morning
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DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:13 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:11 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:08 pm I see that before the news broke about Subgate, VDL was discussing a European Army, again.

Quite a few feathers ruffled I believe.
That's going to happen anyway. That's not about China though. That's eastern Europe's security from Russia and who knows with Turkey in future especially if NATO slowly ceases to exist
Yup. Just remember that if NATO slowly ceases to exist, it's not the UK or USA's fault.

Not that you have a dog in the fight, mind.
Nope. In between Europe and USA. Couldn't be in a safer place :thumbup:
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Zico wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:46 pm If you believe Nigel Farrage the UK was conned. Michel Barnier played the UK for fools to set himself up for a run at French President.

Touché
Yeah. VDL isn't a totally incapable, lunatic waste of space either, and is just playing the UK to set herself up for a run at Merkel's job.
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iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:15 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:13 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:11 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:08 pm I see that before the news broke about Subgate, VDL was discussing a European Army, again.

Quite a few feathers ruffled I believe.
That's going to happen anyway. That's not about China though. That's eastern Europe's security from Russia and who knows with Turkey in future especially if NATO slowly ceases to exist
Yup. Just remember that if NATO slowly ceases to exist, it's not the UK or USA's fault.

Not that you have a dog in the fight, mind.
Nope. In between Europe and USA. Couldn't be in a safer place :thumbup:
Not when it comes to Tsunamis you're not! :lol:
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VDL Is unpopular in Germany.

Brits if anything you should want a German influenced EU and not French run EU.

Right now it's France running the show in the EU. Germany are in flux with Merkel going
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DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:18 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:15 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:13 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:11 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:08 pm I see that before the news broke about Subgate, VDL was discussing a European Army, again.

Quite a few feathers ruffled I believe.
That's going to happen anyway. That's not about China though. That's eastern Europe's security from Russia and who knows with Turkey in future especially if NATO slowly ceases to exist
Yup. Just remember that if NATO slowly ceases to exist, it's not the UK or USA's fault.

Not that you have a dog in the fight, mind.
Nope. In between Europe and USA. Couldn't be in a safer place :thumbup:
Not when it comes to Tsunamis you're not! :lol:
I'm well inland
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iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:18 pm Right now it's France running the show in the EU. Germany are in flux with Merkel going
Turning out well, I see.
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iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:18 pm VDL Is unpopular in Germany.

Brits if anything you should want a German influenced EU and not French run EU.

Right now it's France running the show in the EU. Germany are in flux with Merkel going
Yep. f**king it up left right and centre.
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Back on topic.

It's been 5 years since the vote.

Why did the UK leave the EU?
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DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:20 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:18 pm Right now it's France running the show in the EU. Germany are in flux with Merkel going
Turning out well, I see.
Barnier running for president now in France. Going back to the right next year
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Zico wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:21 pm Back on topic.

It's been 5 years since the vote.

Why did the UK leave the EU?
Bendy bananas and shit.
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DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:07 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:03 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:00 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:56 pm I see it like this.

The EU was originally ( as the European coal and steel community) created so European countries wouldn't fight with each other again. It was a US construct.

If the UK ,US and Aus want to contain China to protect western interests then let them . I see that as a good thing and something the EU can benefit from without having to take part.

The EU should focus on its own objectives and that's ensuring prosperity and good trade across the bloc. Massive internal market. We should be thankful.
The sub deal is basically a threat to China to make it think twice about taking Taiwan. It's hard being the good guys, you certainly don't get any thanks from your neighbours but, when did we need the approval of the Germans, French and Irish anyway?
You're right. The USA don't need approval from anyone as the Iraq wars and Afghanistan showed.

Somebody said it yesterday. The yanks are using Australia to police China in the Indo Pacific.
Thank goodness.

You're right, you can continue in your club, safe in the knowledge that someone else other than you is keeping an eye on potential enemies that could effect the world.

We tried and failed to bring better lives to the people of Afghanistan. The French, Germans and Irish, again, were more than happy for other people to do that.
Puppets in Afghanistan, poodle in the pacific.

And you still think that you guys have any weight and have any impact in the places the US tell you to go to.

Good laugh...

Keep on :thumbup:
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Zico wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:21 pm Back on topic.

It's been 5 years since the vote.

Why did the UK leave the EU?
You're a bad man :lol:
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Most people in the UK: It's great that wages are going up, some roles are being more valued than before, workers have an abundance of choice to fit in with their lifestyles:

Remainers: It's a f*cking travesty that we can't import cheap labour so that multinationals can keep wages supressed.
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DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:26 pm Most people in the UK: It's great that wages are going up, some roles are being more valued than before, workers have an abundance of choice to fit in with their lifestyles:

Remainers: It's a f*cking travesty that we can't import cheap labour so that multinationals can keep wages supressed.
I agree with wages going up being a good thing but it's not that simple. That extra cost to those HGV employers will be passed onto the customer. Prices will go up.

But higher wages are a good thing. We can agree on that
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DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:26 pm Most people in the UK: It's great that wages are going up, some roles are being more valued than before, workers have an abundance of choice to fit in with their lifestyles:

Remainers: It's a f*cking travesty that we can't import cheap labour so that multinationals can keep wages supressed.
You're stating after effects.

Can anyone remember how they voted at the time and why?
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Can I ask why some British people on here are getting so excited about the military industrial complexes based in their country getting X billion as a result of this deal? Do people think it'll trickle down to the man on the street or something?

Or is it just petty nationalism about getting (albeit only a slice of the pie) one over the Frenchies?
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feckwanker wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:35 pm Can I ask why some British people on here are getting so excited about the military industrial complexes based in their country getting X billion as a result of this deal? Do people think it'll trickle down to the man on the street or something?

Or is it just petty nationalism about getting (albeit only a slice of the pie) one over the Frenchies?
The latter. The Brits ( English mainly) love getting one over the French
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feckwanker wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:35 pm Can I ask why some British people on here are getting so excited about the military industrial complexes based in their country getting X billion as a result of this deal? Do people think it'll trickle down to the man on the street or something?

Or is it just petty nationalism about getting (albeit only a slice of the pie) one over the Frenchies?
Dam fuc*king right. Next question please.

*no one is getting "excited" you shit stirring gibbon.
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DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:39 pm
feckwanker wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:35 pm Can I ask why some British people on here are getting so excited about the military industrial complexes based in their country getting X billion as a result of this deal? Do people think it'll trickle down to the man on the street or something?

Or is it just petty nationalism about getting (albeit only a slice of the pie) one over the Frenchies?
Dam fuc*king right. Next question please.

*no one is getting "excited" you shit stirring gibbon.
Seems to be quite a lot of posts on it with numerous British posters seemingly rubbing it in French posters noses - that would seem to suggest excitement no?
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feckwanker wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:41 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:39 pm
feckwanker wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:35 pm Can I ask why some British people on here are getting so excited about the military industrial complexes based in their country getting X billion as a result of this deal? Do people think it'll trickle down to the man on the street or something?

Or is it just petty nationalism about getting (albeit only a slice of the pie) one over the Frenchies?
Dam fuc*king right. Next question please.

*no one is getting "excited" you shit stirring gibbon.
Seems to be quite a lot of posts on it with numerous British posters seemingly rubbing it in French posters noses - that would seem to suggest excitement no?
It's PR, get a fec*ing grip.
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DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:07 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:03 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:00 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:56 pm I see it like this.

The EU was originally ( as the European coal and steel community) created so European countries wouldn't fight with each other again. It was a US construct.

If the UK ,US and Aus want to contain China to protect western interests then let them . I see that as a good thing and something the EU can benefit from without having to take part.

The EU should focus on its own objectives and that's ensuring prosperity and good trade across the bloc. Massive internal market. We should be thankful.
The sub deal is basically a threat to China to make it think twice about taking Taiwan. It's hard being the good guys, you certainly don't get any thanks from your neighbours but, when did we need the approval of the Germans, French and Irish anyway?
You're right. The USA don't need approval from anyone as the Iraq wars and Afghanistan showed.

Somebody said it yesterday. The yanks are using Australia to police China in the Indo Pacific.
Thank goodness.

You're right, you can continue in your club, safe in the knowledge that someone else other than you is keeping an eye on potential enemies that could effect the world.

We tried and failed to bring better lives to the people of Afghanistan. The French, Germans and Irish, again, were more than happy for other people to do that.
We are ever thankful to the Grand British Imperial power.

Glad that you still live under the illusion that the UK has enough clout on its own to matter other than as the puppy of the US of A.
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DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:44 pm
feckwanker wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:41 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:39 pm
feckwanker wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:35 pm Can I ask why some British people on here are getting so excited about the military industrial complexes based in their country getting X billion as a result of this deal? Do people think it'll trickle down to the man on the street or something?

Or is it just petty nationalism about getting (albeit only a slice of the pie) one over the Frenchies?
Dam fuc*king right. Next question please.

*no one is getting "excited" you shit stirring gibbon.
Seems to be quite a lot of posts on it with numerous British posters seemingly rubbing it in French posters noses - that would seem to suggest excitement no?
It's PR, get a fec*ing grip.
Perhaps you should take some of your own advice every now and then?
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TheFrog wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:46 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:07 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:03 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:00 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:56 pm I see it like this.

The EU was originally ( as the European coal and steel community) created so European countries wouldn't fight with each other again. It was a US construct.

If the UK ,US and Aus want to contain China to protect western interests then let them . I see that as a good thing and something the EU can benefit from without having to take part.

The EU should focus on its own objectives and that's ensuring prosperity and good trade across the bloc. Massive internal market. We should be thankful.
The sub deal is basically a threat to China to make it think twice about taking Taiwan. It's hard being the good guys, you certainly don't get any thanks from your neighbours but, when did we need the approval of the Germans, French and Irish anyway?
You're right. The USA don't need approval from anyone as the Iraq wars and Afghanistan showed.

Somebody said it yesterday. The yanks are using Australia to police China in the Indo Pacific.
Thank goodness.

You're right, you can continue in your club, safe in the knowledge that someone else other than you is keeping an eye on potential enemies that could effect the world.

We tried and failed to bring better lives to the people of Afghanistan. The French, Germans and Irish, again, were more than happy for other people to do that.
We are ever thankful to the Grand British Imperial power.

Glad that you still live under the illusion that the UK has enough clout on its own to matter other than as the puppy of the US of A.
You seem to live under the illusion that the US could/would have done the same thing had the UK been still backing the Frog bid for this 'deal of the century'.
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iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:18 pm VDL Is unpopular in Germany.

Brits if anything you should want a German influenced EU and not French run EU.

Right now it's France running the show in the EU. Germany are in flux with Merkel going
Merkel has been in office so long it seems mad her not being there soon. Germany has had stability for a long time.
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feckwanker wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:35 pm Can I ask why some British people on here are getting so excited about the military industrial complexes based in their country getting X billion as a result of this deal? Do people think it'll trickle down to the man on the street or something?

Or is it just petty nationalism about getting (albeit only a slice of the pie) one over the Frenchies?
For the same reason you’re wänking yourself blind over Brexit.
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DragsterDriver wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:10 pm
feckwanker wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:35 pm Can I ask why some British people on here are getting so excited about the military industrial complexes based in their country getting X billion as a result of this deal? Do people think it'll trickle down to the man on the street or something?

Or is it just petty nationalism about getting (albeit only a slice of the pie) one over the Frenchies?
For the same reason you’re wänking yourself blind over Brexit.
Am I? That's news to me!

Brexit has been a fucking nightmare here trying to buy stuff in from abroad - not good for anyone, let alone people living in the UK.
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Zico wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:30 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:26 pm Most people in the UK: It's great that wages are going up, some roles are being more valued than before, workers have an abundance of choice to fit in with their lifestyles:

Remainers: It's a f*cking travesty that we can't import cheap labour so that multinationals can keep wages supressed.
You're stating after effects.

Can anyone remember how they voted at the time and why?
At the time it was a combination of factors:
- EU immigrants forcing down wages
- EU wanting closer integration, EU army, more powers to manage the Eurozone.... UK wanting the opposite
- UK seeing bad decisions being made in EU that they couldn't control (EU waste, mass immigration, EU red tape...)

This was all neatly summed up by the Leave vote as 'Take Back Control'. It resonated with enough people.
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feckwanker wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:35 pm Can I ask why some British people on here are getting so excited about the military industrial complexes based in their country getting X billion as a result of this deal? Do people think it'll trickle down to the man on the street or something?

Or is it just petty nationalism about getting (albeit only a slice of the pie) one over the Frenchies?
Apart from the factories full of high paid high tech workers and all the other associated revenues from manufacturing of this type ?

It’s quite funny that vaccine banning France didn’t even have to wait a year for its Karma.
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message #2527204 wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:02 pm
TheFrog wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:46 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:07 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:03 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:00 pm

The sub deal is basically a threat to China to make it think twice about taking Taiwan. It's hard being the good guys, you certainly don't get any thanks from your neighbours but, when did we need the approval of the Germans, French and Irish anyway?
You're right. The USA don't need approval from anyone as the Iraq wars and Afghanistan showed.

Somebody said it yesterday. The yanks are using Australia to police China in the Indo Pacific.
Thank goodness.

You're right, you can continue in your club, safe in the knowledge that someone else other than you is keeping an eye on potential enemies that could effect the world.

We tried and failed to bring better lives to the people of Afghanistan. The French, Germans and Irish, again, were more than happy for other people to do that.
We are ever thankful to the Grand British Imperial power.

Glad that you still live under the illusion that the UK has enough clout on its own to matter other than as the puppy of the US of A.
You seem to live under the illusion that the US could/would have done the same thing had the UK been still backing the Frog bid for this 'deal of the century'.
My comment has nothing to do with the deal of the century, but is entirely focused on DAC'S delusion of British greatness.
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terryfinch wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:31 pm
Zico wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:30 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:26 pm Most people in the UK: It's great that wages are going up, some roles are being more valued than before, workers have an abundance of choice to fit in with their lifestyles:

Remainers: It's a f*cking travesty that we can't import cheap labour so that multinationals can keep wages supressed.
You're stating after effects.

Can anyone remember how they voted at the time and why?
At the time it was a combination of factors:
- EU immigrants forcing down wages
- EU wanting closer integration, EU army, more powers to manage the Eurozone.... UK wanting the opposite
- UK seeing bad decisions being made in EU that they couldn't control (EU waste, mass immigration, EU red tape...)

This was all neatly summed up by the Leave vote as 'Take Back Control'. It resonated with enough people.
Interesting when some British posters talk about this as EU failure...
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DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:07 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:03 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:00 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:56 pm I see it like this.

The EU was originally ( as the European coal and steel community) created so European countries wouldn't fight with each other again. It was a US construct.

If the UK ,US and Aus want to contain China to protect western interests then let them . I see that as a good thing and something the EU can benefit from without having to take part.

The EU should focus on its own objectives and that's ensuring prosperity and good trade across the bloc. Massive internal market. We should be thankful.
The sub deal is basically a threat to China to make it think twice about taking Taiwan. It's hard being the good guys, you certainly don't get any thanks from your neighbours but, when did we need the approval of the Germans, French and Irish anyway?
You're right. The USA don't need approval from anyone as the Iraq wars and Afghanistan showed.

Somebody said it yesterday. The yanks are using Australia to police China in the Indo Pacific.
Thank goodness.

You're right, you can continue in your club, safe in the knowledge that someone else other than you is keeping an eye on potential enemies that could effect the world.

We tried and failed to bring better lives to the people of Afghanistan. The French, Germans and Irish, again, were more than happy for other people to do that.
Failed again and again and again in the case of Afghanistan.

And never intervened at the behest of the Afghans themselves of course.
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Re: OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

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clementinfrance wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:19 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:07 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:03 pm
DAC_ wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:00 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:56 pm I see it like this.

The EU was originally ( as the European coal and steel community) created so European countries wouldn't fight with each other again. It was a US construct.

If the UK ,US and Aus want to contain China to protect western interests then let them . I see that as a good thing and something the EU can benefit from without having to take part.

The EU should focus on its own objectives and that's ensuring prosperity and good trade across the bloc. Massive internal market. We should be thankful.
The sub deal is basically a threat to China to make it think twice about taking Taiwan. It's hard being the good guys, you certainly don't get any thanks from your neighbours but, when did we need the approval of the Germans, French and Irish anyway?
You're right. The USA don't need approval from anyone as the Iraq wars and Afghanistan showed.

Somebody said it yesterday. The yanks are using Australia to police China in the Indo Pacific.
Thank goodness.

You're right, you can continue in your club, safe in the knowledge that someone else other than you is keeping an eye on potential enemies that could effect the world.

We tried and failed to bring better lives to the people of Afghanistan. The French, Germans and Irish, again, were more than happy for other people to do that.
Failed again and again and again in the case of Afghanistan.

And never intervened at the behest of the Afghans themselves of course.

The French has 1,000’s of troops in Afghanistan. It’s a joint failure.
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