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CM11 wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:03 pm
Ulsters Red Hand wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:39 pm Hate to say it but this Vermuelan’s (sp) signing has a Rocky Elsom feel to it
Why is that a bad thing?
Yeah don’t get why you’d hate to say something like that :?
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I see the 2021 Leinster Junior cup is being played over the coming weeks. Good to see.
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Can't wait for this new league to start. Love this time of year. The anticipation
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hermie wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:07 pm Murray Kinsella doing the depth charts for the respective provinces at the minute. Interesting to see Munster still have the biggest squad (48 seniors compared with 43 for Connacht). I thought they had trimmed down a bit?

Nice that the should be decent crowds for the start of the season anyway. Might take a stab at the Leinster team, looks like Ringrose won't make it so maybe something like this?

JOB
A Byrne
ROL
COB
Lowe
Sexton (c)
McGrath
Healy
Sheehan
Ala'alatoa
Baird
Toner
Ruddock
Penny
Doris
=====
Cronin
Dooley
Vakh
Molony
Deegan
Foley
R Byrne
Osbourne

Would be very interested to see COB at 13 with Hawkshaw inside him but the above is probably more likely. Anyone I've missed? Bulls are in super form, will be a tough game.
How many are in the Leinster squad? Wouldn't mind seeing Osborne get another game at 15, he could be good at that 50/22 rule.
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irishrugbyua wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:57 pm I see the 2021 Leinster Junior cup is being played over the coming weeks. Good to see.
I heard Michaels aren't playing in it, heard marys have a decent team for once so that means guaranteed 1st round exit.
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Luckycharmer wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:07 pm
irishrugbyua wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:57 pm I see the 2021 Leinster Junior cup is being played over the coming weeks. Good to see.
I heard Michaels aren't playing in it, heard marys have a decent team for once so that means guaranteed 1st round exit.
Yeah don't think Clongowes are either or at least they are missing from the fixtures.

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irishrugbyua wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:57 pm I see the 2021 Leinster Junior cup is being played over the coming weeks. Good to see.
Interesting, it's calendar year now, isn't it? So same teams that would have been playing anyway?
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CM11 wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:12 pm
irishrugbyua wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:57 pm I see the 2021 Leinster Junior cup is being played over the coming weeks. Good to see.
Interesting, it's calendar year now, isn't it? So same teams that would have been playing anyway?
Yeah I think so.

With the normal JCT going ahead after christmas with usual age group.
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feckwanker wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:08 pm
earl the beaver wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:07 pm So, eh Ulster have signed Duane Vermuelen?

https://www.ulsterrugby.com/2021/09/uls ... vermeulen/
Bu...bu...but the IRFU despise Ulster I thought? :roll:
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Is Bradley Roberts IQ?
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Conspicuous wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:23 pm Is Bradley Roberts IQ?
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Luckycharmer wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:01 pm
hermie wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:07 pm Murray Kinsella doing the depth charts for the respective provinces at the minute. Interesting to see Munster still have the biggest squad (48 seniors compared with 43 for Connacht). I thought they had trimmed down a bit?

Nice that the should be decent crowds for the start of the season anyway. Might take a stab at the Leinster team, looks like Ringrose won't make it so maybe something like this?

JOB
A Byrne
ROL
COB
Lowe
Sexton (c)
McGrath
Healy
Sheehan
Ala'alatoa
Baird
Toner
Ruddock
Penny
Doris
=====
Cronin
Dooley
Vakh
Molony
Deegan
Foley
R Byrne
Osbourne

Would be very interested to see COB at 13 with Hawkshaw inside him but the above is probably more likely. Anyone I've missed? Bulls are in super form, will be a tough game.
How many are in the Leinster squad? Wouldn't mind seeing Osborne get another game at 15, he could be good at that 50/22 rule.
46 in senior squad.
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Willie Falloon wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:19 pm
feckwanker wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:08 pm
earl the beaver wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:07 pm So, eh Ulster have signed Duane Vermuelen?

https://www.ulsterrugby.com/2021/09/uls ... vermeulen/
Bu...bu...but the IRFU despise Ulster I thought? :roll:
IRFU aren’t paying for it via underpaid loans.
They still had to sanction it Willie.
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Wont make a difference.

We'll smash Ulster home and away. Plus ca change.......
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Conspicuous wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:48 pm
CM11 wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:03 pm
Ulsters Red Hand wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:39 pm Hate to say it but this Vermuelan’s (sp) signing has a Rocky Elsom feel to it
Why is that a bad thing?
Yeah don’t get why you’d hate to say something like that :?
Yeah weird one. Is he worried that he's getting ahead of himself expecting him to be a Rocky, or more that he foresees a one season wonder. Even that would surely be great though.
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hermie wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:41 pm
Conspicuous wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:48 pm
CM11 wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:03 pm
Ulsters Red Hand wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:39 pm Hate to say it but this Vermuelan’s (sp) signing has a Rocky Elsom feel to it
Why is that a bad thing?
Yeah don’t get why you’d hate to say something like that :?
Yeah weird one. Is he worried that he's getting ahead of himself expecting him to be a Rocky, or more that he foresees a one season wonder. Even that would surely be great though.
That would get them a real European Cup this time.
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hermie wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:41 pm
Conspicuous wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:48 pm
CM11 wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:03 pm
Ulsters Red Hand wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:39 pm Hate to say it but this Vermuelan’s (sp) signing has a Rocky Elsom feel to it
Why is that a bad thing?
Yeah don’t get why you’d hate to say something like that :?
Yeah weird one. Is he worried that he's getting ahead of himself expecting him to be a Rocky, or more that he foresees a one season wonder. Even that would surely be great though.
Or is he mixing Elsom up with someone else who arrived late in their career and didn’t deliver??
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Conspicuous wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:46 pm
hermie wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:41 pm
Conspicuous wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:48 pm
CM11 wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:03 pm
Ulsters Red Hand wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:39 pm Hate to say it but this Vermuelan’s (sp) signing has a Rocky Elsom feel to it
Why is that a bad thing?
Yeah don’t get why you’d hate to say something like that :?
Yeah weird one. Is he worried that he's getting ahead of himself expecting him to be a Rocky, or more that he foresees a one season wonder. Even that would surely be great though.
Or is he mixing Elsom up with someone else who arrived late in their career and didn’t deliver??
Finnegan. He was awful
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iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:47 pm
Conspicuous wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:46 pm
hermie wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:41 pm
Conspicuous wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:48 pm
CM11 wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:03 pm

Why is that a bad thing?
Yeah don’t get why you’d hate to say something like that :?
Yeah weird one. Is he worried that he's getting ahead of himself expecting him to be a Rocky, or more that he foresees a one season wonder. Even that would surely be great though.
Or is he mixing Elsom up with someone else who arrived late in their career and didn’t deliver??
Finnegan. He was awful
Dire. Cheika kept picking him in the 2nd row. He worked his socks off to be fair to him but he called way too much on himself both in terms of the lineout and the carry for someone who was a bit passed it. Weren't many other options back then though.

He was only 34 but that was probably older for a professional then than it is now. Nowadays if you're a good trainer and are managed well you can last a bit more. He was very much on his way out. Didn't get picked for the RWC 03 in spite of having been so good as recently as the Lions tour in 01. He had come north to play with Newcastle but was released halfway through his contract before coming to us. Good bloke by all accounts.
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hermie wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:52 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:47 pm
Conspicuous wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:46 pm
hermie wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:41 pm
Conspicuous wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:48 pm

Yeah don’t get why you’d hate to say something like that :?
Yeah weird one. Is he worried that he's getting ahead of himself expecting him to be a Rocky, or more that he foresees a one season wonder. Even that would surely be great though.
Or is he mixing Elsom up with someone else who arrived late in their career and didn’t deliver??
Finnegan. He was awful
Dire. Cheika kept picking him in the 2nd row. He worked his socks off to be fair to him but he called way too much on himself both in terms of the lineout and the carry for someone who was a bit passed it. Weren't many other options back then though.

He was only 34 but that was probably older for a professional then than it is now. Nowadays if you're a good trainer and are managed well you can last a bit more. He was very much on his way out. Didn't get picked for the RWC 03 in spite of having been so good as recently as the Lions tour in 01. He had come north to play with Newcastle but was released halfway through his contract before coming to us. Good bloke by all accounts.
We have had alot of Ozzies through the years, we haven't had that many saffas in comparison to the other provinces. Not that many of them have been real success stories either, CJ V De Linde sick note, Kirchner bang average, Strauss (though not a bok) any other Bok internationals I am sure I have missed a few.
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Luckycharmer wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:15 pm
hermie wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:52 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:47 pm
Conspicuous wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:46 pm
hermie wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:41 pm
Yeah weird one. Is he worried that he's getting ahead of himself expecting him to be a Rocky, or more that he foresees a one season wonder. Even that would surely be great though.
Or is he mixing Elsom up with someone else who arrived late in their career and didn’t deliver??
Finnegan. He was awful
Dire. Cheika kept picking him in the 2nd row. He worked his socks off to be fair to him but he called way too much on himself both in terms of the lineout and the carry for someone who was a bit passed it. Weren't many other options back then though.

He was only 34 but that was probably older for a professional then than it is now. Nowadays if you're a good trainer and are managed well you can last a bit more. He was very much on his way out. Didn't get picked for the RWC 03 in spite of having been so good as recently as the Lions tour in 01. He had come north to play with Newcastle but was released halfway through his contract before coming to us. Good bloke by all accounts.
We have had alot of Ozzies through the years, we haven't had that many saffas in comparison to the other provinces. Not that many of them have been real success stories either, CJ V De Linde sick note, Kirchner bang average, Strauss (though not a bok) any other Bok internationals I am sure I have missed a few.
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earl the beaver wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:17 pm
Luckycharmer wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:15 pm
hermie wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:52 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:47 pm
Conspicuous wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:46 pm

Or is he mixing Elsom up with someone else who arrived late in their career and didn’t deliver??
Finnegan. He was awful
Dire. Cheika kept picking him in the 2nd row. He worked his socks off to be fair to him but he called way too much on himself both in terms of the lineout and the carry for someone who was a bit passed it. Weren't many other options back then though.

He was only 34 but that was probably older for a professional then than it is now. Nowadays if you're a good trainer and are managed well you can last a bit more. He was very much on his way out. Didn't get picked for the RWC 03 in spite of having been so good as recently as the Lions tour in 01. He had come north to play with Newcastle but was released halfway through his contract before coming to us. Good bloke by all accounts.
We have had alot of Ozzies through the years, we haven't had that many saffas in comparison to the other provinces. Not that many of them have been real success stories either, CJ V De Linde sick note, Kirchner bang average, Strauss (though not a bok) any other Bok internationals I am sure I have missed a few.
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The infamous Harry Vermaas, Steven Sykes. Probably one or two more.
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Ulster rugby have lost their mind with the thor content on twitter
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hermie wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:45 pm The infamous Harry Vermaas, Steven Sykes. Probably one or two more.
Roux was with us for a couple of years and only really prospered when he moved west . CJVDL was a sick note wasn’t he ? Van der Merwe was a very good signing
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Conspicuous wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:10 pm
hermie wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:45 pm The infamous Harry Vermaas, Steven Sykes. Probably one or two more.
Roux was with us for a couple of years and only really prospered when he moved west . CJVDL was a sick note wasn’t he ? Van der Merwe was a very good signing
Yeah was it a toe injury mostly? VDM was good value. At least the rationale behind Roux was solid. He was a project in every sense of the word - young TH lock, good size, good basics; the rest could be worked on. He eventually did thrive, unfortunately for another province. Not nearly as galling as letting the likes of Beirne and Thornbury slip through the net. Obviously they both had their injuries but Molony, solid pro that he is, isn't really the same calibre of player.
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Conspicuous wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:48 pm
CM11 wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:03 pm
Ulsters Red Hand wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:39 pm Hate to say it but this Vermuelan’s (sp) signing has a Rocky Elsom feel to it
Why is that a bad thing?
Yeah don’t get why you’d hate to say something like that :?
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irishrugbyua wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:02 pm Ulster rugby have lost their mind with the thor content on twitter
Someone’s a little jealous

Hopefully next time we’re in town you don’t put us up beside the rubbish heap :thumbup: :thumbup:
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You've got to hand it to Bryn Cunningham, he's done it time and again for Ulster.
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irishrugbyua wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:02 pm Ulster rugby have lost their mind with the thor content on twitter
:yawn:
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hermie wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:48 pm You've got to hand it to Bryn Cunningham, he's done it time and again for Ulster.
Wrong, more often than not he has got it wrong via sick notes or simpley shite players, certainly in the early part lf his tenure.

Humph was the real magician.
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Hard to compare, more signings were allowed at the start of the last decade. He's done very well anyway imo.

Connacht seriously light at LH and OH. It's crazy the amount of outside backs they have and only 2 10s.
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Harry Vermass. Could play every position in the front row equally badly :thumbup:

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Willie Falloon wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:50 pm
hermie wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:48 pm You've got to hand it to Bryn Cunningham, he's done it time and again for Ulster.
Wrong, more often than not he has got it wrong via sick notes or simpley shite players, certainly in the early part lf his tenure.

Humph was the real magician.
Coetzee and Verm obviously two massive coups but in fairness to him he’s had it fairly rough in terms of organisational structure which Humph never had

Humph had his fair share of poor signings as well, let’s not pretend he’s immune
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hermie wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:01 pm Hard to compare, more signings were allowed at the start of the last decade. He's done very well anyway imo.

Connacht seriously light at LH and OH. It's crazy the amount of outside backs they have and only 2 10s.
If pre season is anything to go by we’re in trouble. Not signing or being able to sign a loosehead will cost us big time. No Papa for 3 games, Fifita and Hansen didn’t play pre season games, Blade injured. Positives would be Tom Farrell being back and Shayne Bolton apparently looking decent. But we’re stacked with centre’s, squad is unbalanced and as great and all as they’ve been over the years, the likes of TOH and Healy spend most of the time injured now and are past their best. Money could be better spent.
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Superb signing for Ulster. He's exactly the sort of player and leader that pack needed.
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I loved watching Ollie Le Roux. Absolute unit with the footwork and turn of pace to embarrass a winger or two. Always looked like he was enjoying himself. :)
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Zico wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:31 am I loved watching Ollie Le Roux. Absolute unit with the footwork and turn of pace to embarrass a winger or two. Always looked like he was enjoying himself. :)
Absolutely legend, what a signing. Even standing in at hooker.
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hermie wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:35 pm
Conspicuous wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:10 pm
hermie wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:45 pm The infamous Harry Vermaas, Steven Sykes. Probably one or two more.
Roux was with us for a couple of years and only really prospered when he moved west . CJVDL was a sick note wasn’t he ? Van der Merwe was a very good signing
Yeah was it a toe injury mostly? VDM was good value. At least the rationale behind Roux was solid. He was a project in every sense of the word - young TH lock, good size, good basics; the rest could be worked on. He eventually did thrive, unfortunately for another province. Not nearly as galling as letting the likes of Beirne and Thornbury slip through the net. Obviously they both had their injuries but Molony, solid pro that he is, isn't really the same calibre of player.
Always injured for Leinster but rarely missed a BOKs game during that time period!
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