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Auckman wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:45 pm Wall Street is getting jittery over the Chinese company’s issues.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/20 ... mpany.html

Wall Street plunged on Monday as fear of contagion from a potential collapse of China's Evergrande prompted a broad sell-off and sent investors fleeing equities for safety.

The Nasdaq fell to its lowest level in about a month, and Microsoft Corp, Alphabet Inc, Amazon.com Inc , Apple Inc, Facebook Inc and Tesla Inc were among the biggest drags on the index as well as the S&P 500.

All 11 major S&P 500 sectors were lower, with economically sensitive groups like energy down the most.
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eldanielfire wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:14 pm
massive_field_goal wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:11 pm
eldanielfire wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:08 pm
massive_field_goal wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:57 pm
eldanielfire wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:41 pm

Not so sure. The state still has most influence and much of the control of industry and maintains the overall direction of the whole economy. That is pretty much the definition of being in the socialism/communist axis of thought.

Likewise China only recently dictating if people can have one baby or more by decree of the state, rather than by default, illustrates that the communism system of social organization in which social activity is controlled by the state is still prominent and the primary basis of the organization of the country. Though China might be better called a 'Socialist-market economy within a communist totalitarian structure' may well be the more accurate description here.
Of course that's your contention. You're a first year grad student. You just finished some Marxian historian, PeteGarrison prob'ly, and so naturally that's what you believe until next month when you get to James Lemon and get convinced that Virginia and Pennsylvania were strongly entrepreneurial and capitalist back in 1740. That'll last until sometime in your second year, then you'll be in here regurgitating Gordon Wood about the Pre-revolutionary utopia and the capital-forming effects ofmilitary mobilization.
OK.....
The sad thing is, in about 50 years you might start doin' some thinkin' on your own and by then you'll realize there are only two certainties in life. One, don't do that. Two-- you dropped a hundred and fifty grand on an education you coulda' picked up for a dollar fifty in late charges at the Public Library.
What's bizarre is a) I don't actually know what point you're trying to make or how you're refuting what I said and b) why you think I studied any political history in any degree course I did. I studied Biology. I didn't waste my time at Uni with rubbish :smug:
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mojo wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:37 am
eldanielfire wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:14 pm
massive_field_goal wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:11 pm
eldanielfire wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:08 pm
massive_field_goal wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:57 pm

Of course that's your contention. You're a first year grad student. You just finished some Marxian historian, PeteGarrison prob'ly, and so naturally that's what you believe until next month when you get to James Lemon and get convinced that Virginia and Pennsylvania were strongly entrepreneurial and capitalist back in 1740. That'll last until sometime in your second year, then you'll be in here regurgitating Gordon Wood about the Pre-revolutionary utopia and the capital-forming effects ofmilitary mobilization.
OK.....
The sad thing is, in about 50 years you might start doin' some thinkin' on your own and by then you'll realize there are only two certainties in life. One, don't do that. Two-- you dropped a hundred and fifty grand on an education you coulda' picked up for a dollar fifty in late charges at the Public Library.
What's bizarre is a) I don't actually know what point you're trying to make or how you're refuting what I said and b) why you think I studied any political history in any degree course I did. I studied Biology. I didn't waste my time at Uni with rubbish :smug:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIdsjNGCGz4


Pretty sure China is state capitalism .
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Auckman wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:45 pm Wall Street is getting jittery over the Chinese company’s issues.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/20 ... mpany.html

Wall Street plunged on Monday as fear of contagion from a potential collapse of China's Evergrande prompted a broad sell-off and sent investors fleeing equities for safety.

The Nasdaq fell to its lowest level in about a month, and Microsoft Corp, Alphabet Inc, Amazon.com Inc , Apple Inc, Facebook Inc and Tesla Inc were among the biggest drags on the index as well as the S&P 500.

All 11 major S&P 500 sectors were lower, with economically sensitive groups like energy down the most.
Have you seen the list of US companies invested in it.

The cries about "China collapse" is just western media screaming for a bail out.

China needs to let Evergrande crash and burn in that case
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Unbelievable a genocidal regime like China with absolute social and economic control can’t keep its house in order.
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Bringing the peasants out of poverty...then sending them back there with debt to boot.
Rise up you rice farmers!!!!
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Bindi wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:20 am Unbelievable a genocidal regime like China with absolute social and economic control can’t keep its house in order.

As opposed to all those other genocidal regimes who've survived the aeons, and whilst we're at it what sort of regime has ever survived, autocratic or democratic?

And for as long as we do go back China has been established and as an autocracy for about as long as anything has run
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Short Man Syndrome wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:30 am
Auckman wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:45 pm Wall Street is getting jittery over the Chinese company’s issues.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/20 ... mpany.html

Wall Street plunged on Monday as fear of contagion from a potential collapse of China's Evergrande prompted a broad sell-off and sent investors fleeing equities for safety.

The Nasdaq fell to its lowest level in about a month, and Microsoft Corp, Alphabet Inc, Amazon.com Inc , Apple Inc, Facebook Inc and Tesla Inc were among the biggest drags on the index as well as the S&P 500.

All 11 major S&P 500 sectors were lower, with economically sensitive groups like energy down the most.
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We'd do much better to consider our own debt problems, we being the supposed developed nations. All we've really done since 2008 is shift on what products we sell debt, and then we claim we've solved the mortgage (if not the housing) problem and can continue to ignore debt. And then whilst ignoring our own debt we sagely nod our heads at debt issues in other nations
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As much as I'd love to see CCP/China on their knees, this will be bad news for world economy so I hope they find a solution.
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TranceNRG wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:14 am As much as I'd love to see CCP/China on their knees, this will be bad news for world economy so I hope they find a solution.
Drowning the CCP in blood would be a solution. How that would play out for the world economy is something I would like to see firsthand.
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MungoMan wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:22 am
TranceNRG wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:14 am As much as I'd love to see CCP/China on their knees, this will be bad news for world economy so I hope they find a solution.
Drowning the CCP in blood would be a solution. How that would play out for the world economy is something I would like to see firsthand.
What f**king global impact does the CCP have on anyone here. People buy stuff from China, most have never been and most never will. China has zero impact on their lives.

Aussies are moaning because they realise they can't insult people using white man's privilege with everyone and expect them to lay down and take it. The reaction in Australia is the shock that the Chinese told them where to go and now it's gonna hurt them in the end.

When I read posts of people with such hatred and venom on a place they don't know the first thing about over places in the world where real wars are happening, where real drone strikes and killings are being inflicted on people just because ...and the nations implementing this...no venom, no passionate hatred. Then you know that there is much more to this. We all know what it is too...I am not the only one pointing this out too. I have seen a few articles, some pro orcas, even proudly pointing out how Australia isn't an Asian nation, despite its geographical location. Imagine thinking that? what plum.

Bottom line is that this will play out as it plays out. China and its government, along with its people, are far better placed to ride storms in the global economy. We don't have the discipline, resilience and stability, never mind the unity amongst loose allies, to be tackling any storm at the moment.
People have lost trust and had their fill. This isn't a good footing. No delusional bullshit from the know all, know-nothings will change that. The same people have been barking up the china collapse drum for two decades and all we've had in between is western financial crashes, money printing, division and a massive shrinkage in the G7s/West proportion of global GDP.

China economic collapse, Jesus H Christ, will you lot ever wake the fudge up will ya, have a fuckign look at yourselves.

Clown show.
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Dozy wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:22 pm
MungoMan wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:22 am
TranceNRG wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:14 am As much as I'd love to see CCP/China on their knees, this will be bad news for world economy so I hope they find a solution.
Drowning the CCP in blood would be a solution. How that would play out for the world economy is something I would like to see firsthand.
What f**king global impact does the CCP have on anyone here. People buy stuff from China, most have never been and most never will. China has zero impact on their lives.

Aussies are moaning because they realise they can't insult people using white man's privilege with everyone and expect them to lay down and take it. The reaction in Australia is the shock that the Chinese told them where to go and now it's gonna hurt them in the end.

When I read posts of people with such hatred and venom on a place they don't know the first thing about over places in the world where real wars are happening, where real drone strikes and killings are being inflicted on people just because ...and the nations implementing this...no venom, no passionate hatred. Then you know that there is much more to this. We all know what it is too...I am not the only one pointing this out too. I have seen a few articles, some pro orcas, even proudly pointing out how Australia isn't an Asian nation, despite its geographical location. Imagine thinking that? what plum.

Bottom line is that this will play out as it plays out. China and its government, along with its people, are far better placed to ride storms in the global economy. We don't have the discipline, resilience and stability, never mind the unity amongst loose allies, to be tackling any storm at the moment.
People have lost trust and had their fill. This isn't a good footing. No delusional bullshit from the know all, know-nothings will change that. The same people have been barking up the china collapse drum for two decades and all we've had in between is western financial crashes, money printing, division and a massive shrinkage in the G7s/West proportion of global GDP.

China economic collapse, Jesus H Christ, will you lot ever wake the fudge up will ya, have a fuckign look at yourselves.

Clown show.
4.5 million people dead and 219 million cases of Covid don't count as an 'impact' in your world?
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danny_fitz wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:57 pm
Dozy wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:22 pm
MungoMan wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:22 am
TranceNRG wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:14 am As much as I'd love to see CCP/China on their knees, this will be bad news for world economy so I hope they find a solution.
Drowning the CCP in blood would be a solution. How that would play out for the world economy is something I would like to see firsthand.
What f**king global impact does the CCP have on anyone here. People buy stuff from China, most have never been and most never will. China has zero impact on their lives.

Aussies are moaning because they realise they can't insult people using white man's privilege with everyone and expect them to lay down and take it. The reaction in Australia is the shock that the Chinese told them where to go and now it's gonna hurt them in the end.

When I read posts of people with such hatred and venom on a place they don't know the first thing about over places in the world where real wars are happening, where real drone strikes and killings are being inflicted on people just because ...and the nations implementing this...no venom, no passionate hatred. Then you know that there is much more to this. We all know what it is too...I am not the only one pointing this out too. I have seen a few articles, some pro orcas, even proudly pointing out how Australia isn't an Asian nation, despite its geographical location. Imagine thinking that? what plum.

Bottom line is that this will play out as it plays out. China and its government, along with its people, are far better placed to ride storms in the global economy. We don't have the discipline, resilience and stability, never mind the unity amongst loose allies, to be tackling any storm at the moment.
People have lost trust and had their fill. This isn't a good footing. No delusional bullshit from the know all, know-nothings will change that. The same people have been barking up the china collapse drum for two decades and all we've had in between is western financial crashes, money printing, division and a massive shrinkage in the G7s/West proportion of global GDP.

China economic collapse, Jesus H Christ, will you lot ever wake the fudge up will ya, have a fuckign look at yourselves.

Clown show.
4.5 million people dead and 219 million cases of Covid don't count as an 'impact' in your world?
No not at all you

China raised the alarm on a virus that seems to have had some traces before, in places outside of china. The information sharing in the first days is clear despite some gammonistic efforts to say it’s not. The US intelligence reports, despite all the cravings to find smears, couldn’t. Chinas behavior towards the nations who have tried to smear is very telling and the strength of their resolve on not budging from that position against the smear attempts makes it even more clear.

The nations in the region and around the world be it through increasing trade and cooperation including applications to join groups such as the Shanghai trade block or increasing defense and trade alliances paint a picture. Either we are still going down the road of thinking all non western nations are idiots or our ever decreasing “rules based order” and “international community “ clubs is a message to us that we just are not getting believed anymore.

Aukus is a very notable alliance, noticeable in its membership and in lots of other ways too…don’t think the rest of the world is not noticing it too.

So away with your assessment on COVID and world…most people have left the room and you are now just preaching to a very small choir.
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Dozy wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:12 pm
danny_fitz wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:57 pm
Dozy wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:22 pm
MungoMan wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:22 am
TranceNRG wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:14 am As much as I'd love to see CCP/China on their knees, this will be bad news for world economy so I hope they find a solution.
Drowning the CCP in blood would be a solution. How that would play out for the world economy is something I would like to see firsthand.
What f**king global impact does the CCP have on anyone here. People buy stuff from China, most have never been and most never will. China has zero impact on their lives.

Aussies are moaning because they realise they can't insult people using white man's privilege with everyone and expect them to lay down and take it. The reaction in Australia is the shock that the Chinese told them where to go and now it's gonna hurt them in the end.

When I read posts of people with such hatred and venom on a place they don't know the first thing about over places in the world where real wars are happening, where real drone strikes and killings are being inflicted on people just because ...and the nations implementing this...no venom, no passionate hatred. Then you know that there is much more to this. We all know what it is too...I am not the only one pointing this out too. I have seen a few articles, some pro orcas, even proudly pointing out how Australia isn't an Asian nation, despite its geographical location. Imagine thinking that? what plum.

Bottom line is that this will play out as it plays out. China and its government, along with its people, are far better placed to ride storms in the global economy. We don't have the discipline, resilience and stability, never mind the unity amongst loose allies, to be tackling any storm at the moment.
People have lost trust and had their fill. This isn't a good footing. No delusional bullshit from the know all, know-nothings will change that. The same people have been barking up the china collapse drum for two decades and all we've had in between is western financial crashes, money printing, division and a massive shrinkage in the G7s/West proportion of global GDP.

China economic collapse, Jesus H Christ, will you lot ever wake the fudge up will ya, have a fuckign look at yourselves.

Clown show.
4.5 million people dead and 219 million cases of Covid don't count as an 'impact' in your world?
No not at all you

China raised the alarm on a virus that seems to have had some traces before, in places outside of china. The information sharing in the first days is clear despite some gammonistic efforts to say it’s not. The US intelligence reports, despite all the cravings to find smears, couldn’t. Chinas behavior towards the nations who have tried to smear is very telling and the strength of their resolve on not budging from that position against the smear attempts makes it even more clear.

The nations in the region and around the world be it through increasing trade and cooperation including applications to join groups such as the Shanghai trade block or increasing defense and trade alliances paint a picture. Either we are still going down the road of thinking all non western nations are idiots or our ever decreasing “rules based order” and “international community “ clubs is a message to us that we just are not getting believed anymore.

Aukus is a very notable alliance, noticeable in its membership and in lots of other ways too…don’t think the read of the world is not noticing it too.

So away with your assessment on COVID and world…most people have left the room and you are now just preaching to a very small choir.
Do you mates at Zhongnanhai pay you by the word?
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danny_fitz wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:32 pm
Dozy wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:12 pm
danny_fitz wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:57 pm
Dozy wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:22 pm
MungoMan wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:22 am
Drowning the CCP in blood would be a solution. How that would play out for the world economy is something I would like to see firsthand.
What f**king global impact does the CCP have on anyone here. People buy stuff from China, most have never been and most never will. China has zero impact on their lives.

Aussies are moaning because they realise they can't insult people using white man's privilege with everyone and expect them to lay down and take it. The reaction in Australia is the shock that the Chinese told them where to go and now it's gonna hurt them in the end.

When I read posts of people with such hatred and venom on a place they don't know the first thing about over places in the world where real wars are happening, where real drone strikes and killings are being inflicted on people just because ...and the nations implementing this...no venom, no passionate hatred. Then you know that there is much more to this. We all know what it is too...I am not the only one pointing this out too. I have seen a few articles, some pro orcas, even proudly pointing out how Australia isn't an Asian nation, despite its geographical location. Imagine thinking that? what plum.

Bottom line is that this will play out as it plays out. China and its government, along with its people, are far better placed to ride storms in the global economy. We don't have the discipline, resilience and stability, never mind the unity amongst loose allies, to be tackling any storm at the moment.
People have lost trust and had their fill. This isn't a good footing. No delusional bullshit from the know all, know-nothings will change that. The same people have been barking up the china collapse drum for two decades and all we've had in between is western financial crashes, money printing, division and a massive shrinkage in the G7s/West proportion of global GDP.

China economic collapse, Jesus H Christ, will you lot ever wake the fudge up will ya, have a fuckign look at yourselves.

Clown show.
4.5 million people dead and 219 million cases of Covid don't count as an 'impact' in your world?
No not at all you

China raised the alarm on a virus that seems to have had some traces before, in places outside of china. The information sharing in the first days is clear despite some gammonistic efforts to say it’s not. The US intelligence reports, despite all the cravings to find smears, couldn’t. Chinas behavior towards the nations who have tried to smear is very telling and the strength of their resolve on not budging from that position against the smear attempts makes it even more clear.

The nations in the region and around the world be it through increasing trade and cooperation including applications to join groups such as the Shanghai trade block or increasing defense and trade alliances paint a picture. Either we are still going down the road of thinking all non western nations are idiots or our ever decreasing “rules based order” and “international community “ clubs is a message to us that we just are not getting believed anymore.

Aukus is a very notable alliance, noticeable in its membership and in lots of other ways too…don’t think the read of the world is not noticing it too.

So away with your assessment on COVID and world…most people have left the room and you are now just preaching to a very small choir.
Do you mates at Zhongnanhai pay you by the word?
No responses I see because you know you looked a plum in your COVID response the last time
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Imperial Japan is probably limbering up now, thinking they're in with a shot.
































Too soon?
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Bindi wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:35 pm Imperial Japan is probably limbering up now, thinking they're in with a shot.





























Too soon?
Of what? Couldn’t take Brunei
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Dozy wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:12 pm
danny_fitz wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:57 pm
Dozy wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:22 pm
MungoMan wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:22 am
TranceNRG wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:14 am As much as I'd love to see CCP/China on their knees, this will be bad news for world economy so I hope they find a solution.
Drowning the CCP in blood would be a solution. How that would play out for the world economy is something I would like to see firsthand.
What f**king global impact does the CCP have on anyone here. People buy stuff from China, most have never been and most never will. China has zero impact on their lives.

Aussies are moaning because they realise they can't insult people using white man's privilege with everyone and expect them to lay down and take it. The reaction in Australia is the shock that the Chinese told them where to go and now it's gonna hurt them in the end.

When I read posts of people with such hatred and venom on a place they don't know the first thing about over places in the world where real wars are happening, where real drone strikes and killings are being inflicted on people just because ...and the nations implementing this...no venom, no passionate hatred. Then you know that there is much more to this. We all know what it is too...I am not the only one pointing this out too. I have seen a few articles, some pro orcas, even proudly pointing out how Australia isn't an Asian nation, despite its geographical location. Imagine thinking that? what plum.

Bottom line is that this will play out as it plays out. China and its government, along with its people, are far better placed to ride storms in the global economy. We don't have the discipline, resilience and stability, never mind the unity amongst loose allies, to be tackling any storm at the moment.
People have lost trust and had their fill. This isn't a good footing. No delusional bullshit from the know all, know-nothings will change that. The same people have been barking up the china collapse drum for two decades and all we've had in between is western financial crashes, money printing, division and a massive shrinkage in the G7s/West proportion of global GDP.

China economic collapse, Jesus H Christ, will you lot ever wake the fudge up will ya, have a fuckign look at yourselves.

Clown show.
4.5 million people dead and 219 million cases of Covid don't count as an 'impact' in your world?
No not at all you

China raised the alarm on a virus that seems to have had some traces before, in places outside of china.
The information sharing in the first days is clear despite some gammonistic efforts to say it’s not. The US intelligence reports, despite all the cravings to find smears, couldn’t. Chinas behavior towards the nations who have tried to smear is very telling and the strength of their resolve on not budging from that position against the smear attempts makes it even more clear.

The nations in the region and around the world be it through increasing trade and cooperation including applications to join groups such as the Shanghai trade block or increasing defense and trade alliances paint a picture. Either we are still going down the road of thinking all non western nations are idiots or our ever decreasing “rules based order” and “international community “ clubs is a message to us that we just are not getting believed anymore.

Aukus is a very notable alliance, noticeable in its membership and in lots of other ways too…don’t think the rest of the world is not noticing it too.

So away with your assessment on COVID and world…most people have left the room and you are now just preaching to a very small choir.
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Have you been in a cave a few years bugga?

Genome was released 6th if Jan 2020, it has been out there a long time.

Soil samples show COVID in Barca, Milan, Brazil, lots of places in early 2019. Maybe the previous strains were very weak…who knows. The flu season Christmas 2018 was particularly bad it seems.
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Dozy wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:35 pm
danny_fitz wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:32 pm
Dozy wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:12 pm
danny_fitz wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:57 pm
Dozy wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:22 pm

What f**king global impact does the CCP have on anyone here. People buy stuff from China, most have never been and most never will. China has zero impact on their lives.

Aussies are moaning because they realise they can't insult people using white man's privilege with everyone and expect them to lay down and take it. The reaction in Australia is the shock that the Chinese told them where to go and now it's gonna hurt them in the end.

When I read posts of people with such hatred and venom on a place they don't know the first thing about over places in the world where real wars are happening, where real drone strikes and killings are being inflicted on people just because ...and the nations implementing this...no venom, no passionate hatred. Then you know that there is much more to this. We all know what it is too...I am not the only one pointing this out too. I have seen a few articles, some pro orcas, even proudly pointing out how Australia isn't an Asian nation, despite its geographical location. Imagine thinking that? what plum.

Bottom line is that this will play out as it plays out. China and its government, along with its people, are far better placed to ride storms in the global economy. We don't have the discipline, resilience and stability, never mind the unity amongst loose allies, to be tackling any storm at the moment.
People have lost trust and had their fill. This isn't a good footing. No delusional bullshit from the know all, know-nothings will change that. The same people have been barking up the china collapse drum for two decades and all we've had in between is western financial crashes, money printing, division and a massive shrinkage in the G7s/West proportion of global GDP.

China economic collapse, Jesus H Christ, will you lot ever wake the fudge up will ya, have a fuckign look at yourselves.

Clown show.
4.5 million people dead and 219 million cases of Covid don't count as an 'impact' in your world?
No not at all you

China raised the alarm on a virus that seems to have had some traces before, in places outside of china. The information sharing in the first days is clear despite some gammonistic efforts to say it’s not. The US intelligence reports, despite all the cravings to find smears, couldn’t. Chinas behavior towards the nations who have tried to smear is very telling and the strength of their resolve on not budging from that position against the smear attempts makes it even more clear.

The nations in the region and around the world be it through increasing trade and cooperation including applications to join groups such as the Shanghai trade block or increasing defense and trade alliances paint a picture. Either we are still going down the road of thinking all non western nations are idiots or our ever decreasing “rules based order” and “international community “ clubs is a message to us that we just are not getting believed anymore.

Aukus is a very notable alliance, noticeable in its membership and in lots of other ways too…don’t think the read of the world is not noticing it too.

So away with your assessment on COVID and world…most people have left the room and you are now just preaching to a very small choir.
Do you mates at Zhongnanhai pay you by the word?
No responses I see because you know you looked a plum in your COVID response the last time
No its just boring, its all been said to you before. Why are you here trying to convince us, thats the biggest joke like you think eventually you will convince us that the CCP are just misunderstood average blokes.
We cant stand our own politicians but you think you can convince us that Chyna are doing it better? :lol:
You're ridiculous. :lol:
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grievous wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:33 pm
Dozy wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:35 pm
danny_fitz wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:32 pm
Dozy wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:12 pm
danny_fitz wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:57 pm

4.5 million people dead and 219 million cases of Covid don't count as an 'impact' in your world?
No not at all you

China raised the alarm on a virus that seems to have had some traces before, in places outside of china. The information sharing in the first days is clear despite some gammonistic efforts to say it’s not. The US intelligence reports, despite all the cravings to find smears, couldn’t. Chinas behavior towards the nations who have tried to smear is very telling and the strength of their resolve on not budging from that position against the smear attempts makes it even more clear.

The nations in the region and around the world be it through increasing trade and cooperation including applications to join groups such as the Shanghai trade block or increasing defense and trade alliances paint a picture. Either we are still going down the road of thinking all non western nations are idiots or our ever decreasing “rules based order” and “international community “ clubs is a message to us that we just are not getting believed anymore.

Aukus is a very notable alliance, noticeable in its membership and in lots of other ways too…don’t think the read of the world is not noticing it too.

So away with your assessment on COVID and world…most people have left the room and you are now just preaching to a very small choir.
Do you mates at Zhongnanhai pay you by the word?
No responses I see because you know you looked a plum in your COVID response the last time
No its just boring, its all been said to you before. Why are you here trying to convince us, thats the biggest joke like you think eventually you will convince us that the CCP are just misunderstood average blokes.
We cant stand our own politicians but you think you can convince us that Chyna are doing it better? :lol:
You're ridiculous. :lol:
You miss understand me. You seem to have the idea I give a fudge what you think
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Dozy wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:11 am
grievous wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:33 pm
Dozy wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:35 pm
danny_fitz wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:32 pm
Dozy wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:12 pm

No not at all you

China raised the alarm on a virus that seems to have had some traces before, in places outside of china. The information sharing in the first days is clear despite some gammonistic efforts to say it’s not. The US intelligence reports, despite all the cravings to find smears, couldn’t. Chinas behavior towards the nations who have tried to smear is very telling and the strength of their resolve on not budging from that position against the smear attempts makes it even more clear.

The nations in the region and around the world be it through increasing trade and cooperation including applications to join groups such as the Shanghai trade block or increasing defense and trade alliances paint a picture. Either we are still going down the road of thinking all non western nations are idiots or our ever decreasing “rules based order” and “international community “ clubs is a message to us that we just are not getting believed anymore.

Aukus is a very notable alliance, noticeable in its membership and in lots of other ways too…don’t think the read of the world is not noticing it too.

So away with your assessment on COVID and world…most people have left the room and you are now just preaching to a very small choir.
Do you mates at Zhongnanhai pay you by the word?
No responses I see because you know you looked a plum in your COVID response the last time
No its just boring, its all been said to you before. Why are you here trying to convince us, thats the biggest joke like you think eventually you will convince us that the CCP are just misunderstood average blokes.
We cant stand our own politicians but you think you can convince us that Chyna are doing it better? :lol:
You're ridiculous. :lol:
You miss understand me. You seem to have the idea I give a fudge what you think
Yet every post gets responded to...sure you dont care ol China.
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grievous wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:34 am Bringing the peasants out of poverty...then sending them back there with debt to boot.
Rise up you rice farmers!!!!
Yep. China is fucked.

Just a couple of factors in the CCP's ignominious demise will be AI and automation, along with tech like 3D printing, or in other words distributed manufacturing and supply. Local, small scale and diverse manufacturing all over the flipping place, just like the good old days.

The drawback of a very large, corralled population. All those unemployed, indebted peasants/factory workers will be gunning for party blood.
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Nothing will happen. CCP can just decide to downsize their population when it becomes necessary.
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FullbackAce wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:25 am Nothing will happen. CCP can just decide to downsize their population when it becomes necessary.
Soylent Green?
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FullbackAce wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:25 am Nothing will happen. CCP can just decide to downsize their population when it becomes necessary.
You mean like the west
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Ted. wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:40 am
grievous wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:34 am Bringing the peasants out of poverty...then sending them back there with debt to boot.
Rise up you rice farmers!!!!
Yep. China is fucked.

Just a couple of factors in the CCP's ignominious demise will be AI and automation, along with tech like 3D printing, or in other words distributed manufacturing and supply. Local, small scale and diverse manufacturing all over the flipping place, just like the good old days.

The drawback of a very large, corralled population. All those unemployed, indebted peasants/factory workers will be gunning for party blood.
Won’t be half the shock as it will be here. The per capita footprint is much smaller and the adaptability is much higher to less impactful living.

Take your head out of the long white clouds sunshine
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Dozy wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:44 pm Have you been in a cave a few years bugga?

Genome was released 6th if Jan 2020, it has been out there a long time.

Soil samples show COVID in Barca, Milan, Brazil, lots of places in early 2019. Maybe the previous strains were very weak…who knows. The flu season Christmas 2018 was particularly bad it seems.
Early 2019 being December 2019?

A spokesman for the government who rejected the WHO proposal for a more detailed and targeted investigation into origins as "unacceptable" pushing absolute shite. Who'd have thunk it.
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earl the beaver wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:22 am
Dozy wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:44 pm Have you been in a cave a few years bugga?

Genome was released 6th if Jan 2020, it has been out there a long time.

Soil samples show COVID in Barca, Milan, Brazil, lots of places in early 2019. Maybe the previous strains were very weak…who knows. The flu season Christmas 2018 was particularly bad it seems.
Early 2019 being December 2019?

A spokesman for the government who rejected the WHO proposal for a more detailed and targeted investigation into origins as "unacceptable" pushing absolute shite. Who'd have thunk it.
What are you trying to say?

Not every government is up to the same stuff as you lot in northern Ireland
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If there is a knock on effect on world shares then there will be opportunity to buy some very good stock at a discount.
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Was just watching a video with an interesting stat that highlights the Chinese construction industry.

China, in a three year period, poured more concrete than the USA did through the entire 20th century.
https://youtu.be/wXCpis_Mlwk

Seems quite a remarkable stat on the face of it. You’d think quite a lot of the USA had been torn down and reconstructed through a 100 year period.
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sonic_attack wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:29 am Was just watching a video with an interesting stat that highlights the Chinese construction industry.

China, in a three year period, poured more concrete than the USA did through the entire 20th century.
https://youtu.be/wXCpis_Mlwk

Seems quite a remarkable stat on the face of it. You’d think quite a lot of the USA had been torn down and reconstructed through a 100 year period.
Not if you'd been there. The place and its infrastructure are falling apart. It really does seem a has been place.
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Dozy wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:06 am
sonic_attack wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:29 am Was just watching a video with an interesting stat that highlights the Chinese construction industry.

China, in a three year period, poured more concrete than the USA did through the entire 20th century.
https://youtu.be/wXCpis_Mlwk

Seems quite a remarkable stat on the face of it. You’d think quite a lot of the USA had been torn down and reconstructed through a 100 year period.
Not if you'd been there. The place and its infrastructure are falling apart. It really does seem a has been place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Acl8eC6w6iA
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This is a controlled demolition of the over inflated Chinese property market.

It was identified as an issue in previous 5 year plans

Australia is the biggest loser long term
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Ted. wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:40 am
grievous wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:34 am Bringing the peasants out of poverty...then sending them back there with debt to boot.
Rise up you rice farmers!!!!
Yep. China is fucked.

Just a couple of factors in the CCP's ignominious demise will be AI and automation, along with tech like 3D printing, or in other words distributed manufacturing and supply. Local, small scale and diverse manufacturing all over the flipping place, just like the good old days.

The drawback of a very large, corralled population. All those unemployed, indebted peasants/factory workers will be gunning for party blood.
Spot on.. AI, automation and the advent of advanced robotics in supply chains contrasted with China beginning to become more cutoff from the developed world will likely play a part in their impending economic collapse and then likely civil insurrection.. that’s also not to mention Xi’s insatiable appetite for expanding his empire into states that will resist and rise up against authoritarianism.. seems that every empire crumbles particularly when it grows far beyond its means as into states and territories who aren’t going to put up with their bullshit.

Do-Xi No doubt I’ll get a reply to this post like you have replied to every single other one on this thread because you are an actual twat. No doubt you’re sitting red faced and ready to send an angry response because deep down you’re an impassioned communist who can’t handle the reality that your beloved CCP are a limited time only deal. Anyway whatever you have to say I won’t be reading it you c*cksucker
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Ted. wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:40 am
grievous wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:34 am Bringing the peasants out of poverty...then sending them back there with debt to boot.
Rise up you rice farmers!!!!
Yep. China is fucked.

Just a couple of factors in the CCP's ignominious demise will be AI and automation, along with tech like 3D printing, or in other words distributed manufacturing and supply. Local, small scale and diverse manufacturing all over the flipping place, just like the good old days.

The drawback of a very large, corralled population. All those unemployed, indebted peasants/factory workers will be gunning for party blood.
I agree with this.

AI and automation will effect many people. Best to have some sort of financial stake in these areas IMHO.

It might be all we have to pass on to future generations.
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25% of China's GDP is dependent upon construction.

A lot of other Chinese construction/engineering companies are in trouble meeting their repayment obligations.
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Miguel Indurain wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:25 pm 25% of China's GDP is dependent upon construction.

A lot of other Chinese construction/engineering companies are in trouble meeting their repayment obligations.
yeah, sure boss, all residential real estate is it?

This is like those same clowns who have been saying the coming Chinese collapse since 2000. There is actual so-called "economic pundits" calling this every year for over 20 years, and it was always imminent.

The same forum warriors cited these people with an air of know-all and smugness. They pretend it never happened when it doesn't happen and repeat the upcoming economic prediction for the coming months again. It's PR 101 but on Bloomberg etc..Nobody pushes these clowns at the Economist or CNBCs nose in it each and every time to say how can you be wrong for 20 years and still have any credibility.


Like Peter Schiff but on China. Winging it for 3 decades. In any normal career, they'd be long sacked.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:23 pm
Ted. wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:40 am
grievous wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:34 am Bringing the peasants out of poverty...then sending them back there with debt to boot.
Rise up you rice farmers!!!!
Yep. China is fucked.

Just a couple of factors in the CCP's ignominious demise will be AI and automation, along with tech like 3D printing, or in other words distributed manufacturing and supply. Local, small scale and diverse manufacturing all over the flipping place, just like the good old days.

The drawback of a very large, corralled population. All those unemployed, indebted peasants/factory workers will be gunning for party blood.
I agree with this.

AI and automation will effect many people. Best to have some sort of financial stake in these areas IMHO.

It might be all we have to pass on to future generations.
That and our genetic legacy.

In my case, a tendency towards bow-leggedness.
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Dozy wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:44 pm Have you been in a cave a few years bugga?

Genome was released 6th if Jan 2020, it has been out there a long time.

Soil samples show COVID in Barca, Milan, Brazil, lots of places in early 2019. Maybe the previous strains were very weak…who knows. The flu season Christmas 2018 was particularly bad it seems.
Early 2019 you say?

Link?
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