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Floppykid wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:23 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 9:47 pm
CarrotGawks wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 9:44 pm
highlands wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 9:43 pm Christ we were shit. What is the point of larkham. Either give him a go at the top job or send him back to Australia. Those constant pick and gos are infuriating. You just know it will be the same ole same ole when it comes to the business end. No inventiveness whatsoever.
Connaught deserved to win.
They got the try that won the game with pick and goes.
And that is the problem right there. Try that against any top team and see how it goes.
Same can be said for Leinster at the very sharp end of the season.
We don't value attacking play properly in this country.
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anonymous_joe wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:51 pm
We don't value attacking play properly in this country.
This 100%.
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anonymous_joe wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:51 pm
Floppykid wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:23 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 9:47 pm
CarrotGawks wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 9:44 pm
highlands wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 9:43 pm Christ we were shit. What is the point of larkham. Either give him a go at the top job or send him back to Australia. Those constant pick and gos are infuriating. You just know it will be the same ole same ole when it comes to the business end. No inventiveness whatsoever.
Connaught deserved to win.
They got the try that won the game with pick and goes.
And that is the problem right there. Try that against any top team and see how it goes.
Same can be said for Leinster at the very sharp end of the season.
We don't value attacking play properly in this country.
Yep, and the law makers are (rightly) hell bent on implementing rules to penalise negative play. We either need to start learning or we are going to be left well behind.

There is no excuse either, with the calibre of athletes we are producing. We're wasting good talent on shite rugby.
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Duff Paddy wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:23 pm
Luckycharmer wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:22 pm
diarm wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:16 pm
Luckycharmer wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:13 pm Let's talk about Dan Sheehan he could overtake Kelleher, way ahead of any other hooker.
He's bloody massive. He carried into contact over on this near side towards the end - when they all got up, he was surrounded by second rows and flankers and was bigger than all of them.

How is his throwing?
Throwing is very good, think height helps there. Scrum was a worry but improving. So powerful and dynamic.
And from a long standing Mary’s family you forgot to mention :lol:
No he isn't he came through Bective, Trinity, Lansdowne
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Andy Friend. Not so happy.
Connacht head coach Andy Friend was left angered by the officials, after his side's narrow United Rugby Championship defeat to neighbours Munster.

The western province were beaten for the third time in four games, going down 20-18 to Johann van Graan's side at Thomond Park after Joey Carbery converted Diarmuid Barron's 79th minute try.

Munster had led the game 7-6 at half time following a Chris Cloete try, which Friend says never should have been given.

Cloete touched down after an excellent piece of footwork from Tadhg Beirne, however replays showed the second row had been ahead of Rory Scannell after the centre's crossfield kick.

Friend says very little time was afforded to checking the incident by the match officials, in contrast to an earlier Connacht score which had been correctly disallowed.

"It hurts, it hurts to lose a game like that," he said.

"I thought we were the better team, the scoreboard does not tell you that, we ask for consistency in this game, I didn't think we got it.

"For Tiernan’s (O'Halloran) try, it is a knock-on, the correct decision was made then, the ball went forward, that was fair enough, it did go forward. But there was a lot of time spent to get that decision. I thought the yellow card for Sammy Arnold was a very harsh call.

"I then thought, in fact I know, when Joey Carbery (it was Rory Scannell) puts the crossfield kick in that you have got Tadhg Beirne offside.

"It doesn’t get looked at. It doesn’t get pored over in the same manner."

And while Connacht retook the lead on 70 minutes before Munster's comeback, Friend says it was a crucial swing in the game.

"So they end up getting seven points for that. And at the end of the day they win by two points. So I am frustrated and annoyed by that."

The Australian was tightlipped when asked if there is a pattern of his side coming out the wrong side of the officials.

"I will let others decide. We very rarely end up on the right side. If it is a 50/50, it very rarely goes our side. It is hard," he added.

Meanwhile Munster head coach Johann van Graan said he had not watched the controversial try back.

"This game is about small margins and, like every weekend, both sides have certain calls that go for them and against them.

"We will go and review the game as normal on Monday and see if we have any issues."
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IBWT wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:36 pm Andy Friend. Not so happy.
Deservedly so to be fair. We'd be absolutely raging if we were in his shoes.
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Not sure he should have gone with the victim complex and also not sure how basically calling the ref biased is being 'tight-lipped'!

But yeah, it was an awful miss by the officials.
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The Yellow and the missed off side were fairly bad calls that swung the game to Munster.
Such is the way of sport though.

Ireland's outhalf situation is not great. Harry is made of meringue so can't develop, Carbery is f**ked, Healy I need to see more of but so far he's giving me Ross Byrne vibes, I think the ship has sailed on Carty and Burns isn't even HEC level imo.
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But yeah, it was an awful miss by the officials
By the TMO, surely.

He'd do well not to suggest it's personal, standard of officiating in the league's well known.
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Floppykid wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:10 am The Yellow and the missed off side were fairly bad calls that swung the game to Munster.
Such is the way of sport though.

Ireland's outhalf situation is not great. Harry is made of meringue so can't develop, Carbery is f**ked, Healy I need to see more of but so far he's giving me Ross Byrne vibes, I think the ship has sailed on Carty and Burns isn't even HEC level imo.
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IBWT wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:36 pm Andy Friend. Not so happy.
Connacht head coach Andy Friend was left angered by the officials, after his side's narrow United Rugby Championship defeat to neighbours Munster.

The western province were beaten for the third time in four games, going down 20-18 to Johann van Graan's side at Thomond Park after Joey Carbery converted Diarmuid Barron's 79th minute try.

Munster had led the game 7-6 at half time following a Chris Cloete try, which Friend says never should have been given.

Cloete touched down after an excellent piece of footwork from Tadhg Beirne, however replays showed the second row had been ahead of Rory Scannell after the centre's crossfield kick.

Friend says very little time was afforded to checking the incident by the match officials, in contrast to an earlier Connacht score which had been correctly disallowed.

"It hurts, it hurts to lose a game like that," he said.

"I thought we were the better team, the scoreboard does not tell you that, we ask for consistency in this game, I didn't think we got it.

"For Tiernan’s (O'Halloran) try, it is a knock-on, the correct decision was made then, the ball went forward, that was fair enough, it did go forward. But there was a lot of time spent to get that decision. I thought the yellow card for Sammy Arnold was a very harsh call.

"I then thought, in fact I know, when Joey Carbery (it was Rory Scannell) puts the crossfield kick in that you have got Tadhg Beirne offside.

"It doesn’t get looked at. It doesn’t get pored over in the same manner."

And while Connacht retook the lead on 70 minutes before Munster's comeback, Friend says it was a crucial swing in the game.

"So they end up getting seven points for that. And at the end of the day they win by two points. So I am frustrated and annoyed by that."

The Australian was tightlipped when asked if there is a pattern of his side coming out the wrong side of the officials.

"I will let others decide. We very rarely end up on the right side. If it is a 50/50, it very rarely goes our side. It is hard," he added.

Meanwhile Munster head coach Johann van Graan said he had not watched the controversial try back.

"This game is about small margins and, like every weekend, both sides have certain calls that go for them and against them.

"We will go and review the game as normal on Monday and see if we have any issues."
There was a blatant knock on in the lead up to Connachts first try, these things happen
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Munster back to being dirt. Have officially ruined Joey.
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RWC2015 wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:15 am Munster back to being dirt. Have officially ruined Joey.
They just break whatever shiny new toys they're given. :x
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camroc1 wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:26 am
RWC2015 wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:15 am Munster back to being dirt. Have officially ruined Joey.
They just break whatever shiny new toys they're given. :x
To be fair, I think this time Joey broke Munsters backline.
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CM11 wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:54 pm Not sure he should have gone with the victim complex and also not sure how basically calling the ref biased is being 'tight-lipped'!

But yeah, it was an awful miss by the officials.
Friend needs to look at our own deficiencies. Silly mistakes at restarts and a bit of alack of ambition. We need to play more rugby, the likes of Porch and Hansen were starved, they have the potential to cut anyone open. Playing TOH at 15 again after stinking it up for the first few games is not good enough. Porch to 15 and get Wooton or Sullivan on the wing. On the few rare occasions we played at pace and tried to move the ball we looked decent.
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Newby1 wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:45 am
camroc1 wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:26 am
RWC2015 wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:15 am Munster back to being dirt. Have officially ruined Joey.
They just break whatever shiny new toys they're given. :x
To be fair, I think this time Joey broke Munsters backline.
I am so relieved they are shit again, had thought it was going to be another period of them dominating.
Like those two years way back when.
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camroc1 wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:26 am
RWC2015 wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:15 am Munster back to being dirt. Have officially ruined Joey.
They just break whatever shiny new toys they're given. :x
Then they set fire to them.
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lorcanoworms wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 9:13 am
camroc1 wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:26 am
RWC2015 wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:15 am Munster back to being dirt. Have officially ruined Joey.
They just break whatever shiny new toys they're given. :x
Then they set fire to them.
:lol:
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Anyway, another weekend, another Leinster win..........
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Can the westies put in another cup performance next week in Lansdowne?

If so we'll have a belter of a game
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iarmhiman wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:42 am Can the westies put in another cup performance next week in Lansdowne?

If so we'll have a belter of a game
?

Leinster are in Glasgow next week.
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camroc1 wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:53 am
iarmhiman wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:42 am Can the westies put in another cup performance next week in Lansdowne?

If so we'll have a belter of a game
?

Leinster are in Glasgow next week.
I know.

I said Westies. They're playing Ulster in Lansdowne i think.
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iarmhiman wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:04 pm
camroc1 wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:53 am
iarmhiman wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:42 am Can the westies put in another cup performance next week in Lansdowne?

If so we'll have a belter of a game
?

Leinster are in Glasgow next week.
I know.

I said Westies. They're playing Ulster in Lansdowne i think.
Yup.

They're hosting us in the palindrome.

Ref's from Munster, so we're expecting a favour returned.
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Connacht have a very dogged pack. No way could ulster defend their line vs Munster for as long as they did. They aren’t the biggest, but they are tough.

Though the Munster halfbacks were push poor. Cadets kicking was awful, clearly not his game and Carbery isn’t within an arses roar of an international 10.

Not sure if Munster broke him at 10, was he ever an out half. For Leinster he played his best rugby at 15.
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iarmhiman wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:04 pm
camroc1 wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:53 am
iarmhiman wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:42 am Can the westies put in another cup performance next week in Lansdowne?

If so we'll have a belter of a game
?

Leinster are in Glasgow next week.
I know.

I said Westies. They're playing Ulster in Lansdowne i think.
Ah, OK. :thumbup:
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I see the DART is canned for next weekend, was planning on driving to Malahide and getting the Dart across. Any other good alternatives Dubliners which don't involve driving / parking to city centre?
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Also do we definitely need some kind of digital certificate? I thought rules changed in ROI on the 22nd?
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Ulsters Red Hand wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:11 pm I see the DART is canned for next weekend, was planning on driving to Malahide and getting the Dart across. Any other good alternatives Dubliners which don't involve driving / parking to city centre?
Park at the airport and get the Aircoach to D4?
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Willie Falloon wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:53 pm Connacht have a very dogged pack. No way could ulster defend their line vs Munster for as long as they did. They aren’t the biggest, but they are tough.

Though the Munster halfbacks were push poor. Cadets kicking was awful, clearly not his game and Carbery isn’t within an arses roar of an international 10.

Not sure if Munster broke him at 10, was he ever an out half. For Leinster he played his best rugby at 15.
He played his best rugby at 10 IMO. Some absolutely beautiful performances at 10. I remember Glasgow away and he just poetry in motion.

Then he got f**ked over at Leinster, and now he's playing for a team that play 9 man rugby. Munster using a lamborghini to pick up the weekly shopping.
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Ulsters Red Hand wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:16 pm Also do we definitely need some kind of digital certificate? I thought rules changed in ROI on the 22nd?
Bunch of us going down
I hadn’t considered this
Do we need anything?
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Winnie wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:27 pm
Ulsters Red Hand wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:16 pm Also do we definitely need some kind of digital certificate? I thought rules changed in ROI on the 22nd?
Bunch of us going down
I hadn’t considered this
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iarmhiman wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:34 pm
Winnie wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:27 pm
Ulsters Red Hand wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:16 pm Also do we definitely need some kind of digital certificate? I thought rules changed in ROI on the 22nd?
Bunch of us going down
I hadn’t considered this
Do we need anything?
Bring your NHS pass Winnie
Will do
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Luckycharmer wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:29 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:23 pm
Luckycharmer wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:22 pm
diarm wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:16 pm
Luckycharmer wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:13 pm Let's talk about Dan Sheehan he could overtake Kelleher, way ahead of any other hooker.
He's bloody massive. He carried into contact over on this near side towards the end - when they all got up, he was surrounded by second rows and flankers and was bigger than all of them.

How is his throwing?
Throwing is very good, think height helps there. Scrum was a worry but improving. So powerful and dynamic.
And from a long standing Mary’s family you forgot to mention :lol:
No he isn't he came through Bective, Trinity, Lansdowne
Didn’t know that - the wider family would have all played for Mary’s
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Ulsters Red Hand wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:11 pm I see the DART is canned for next weekend, was planning on driving to Malahide and getting the Dart across. Any other good alternatives Dubliners which don't involve driving / parking to city centre?
One option would be to take the M50 to the Carrickmines/Foxrock exit, park and ride there taking the luas into the city, get off somewhere like Charlemont and walk down to the stadium, or go all the way into st Stephen’s green and pub crawl your way back out to Lansdowne
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Just saw the first Munster try from last night there. That was a disgraceful decision. Not only were two players ahead of the ball, but there was a nice line showing them to be so,
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camroc1 wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 4:35 pm Just saw the first Munster try from last night there. That was a disgraceful decision. Not only were two players ahead of the ball, but there was a nice line showing them to be so,
It’s hard to understand how the TMO missed it. He spent ages looking at the Connacht knock on but then for the Munster try he just gives it. It was real home advantage stuff. I blame the TMO and the touch judges more than the ref for that one. The ref did try to level things later on when a Connacht player took out a Munster player in the air and he just gave a penalty. I thought the ref was fine overall
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Duff Paddy wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 4:29 pm
Ulsters Red Hand wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:11 pm I see the DART is canned for next weekend, was planning on driving to Malahide and getting the Dart across. Any other good alternatives Dubliners which don't involve driving / parking to city centre?
One option would be to take the M50 to the Carrickmines/Foxrock exit, park and ride there taking the luas into the city, get off somewhere like Charlemont and walk down to the stadium, or go all the way into st Stephen’s green and pub crawl your way back out to Lansdowne
Or get off the M50 at Junction 6 Blanchardstown and use the Park and Ride at Coolmine station and either go on into Connolly, or change at Broombridge for the Greenline LUAS.
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camroc1 wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 4:43 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 4:29 pm
Ulsters Red Hand wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:11 pm I see the DART is canned for next weekend, was planning on driving to Malahide and getting the Dart across. Any other good alternatives Dubliners which don't involve driving / parking to city centre?
One option would be to take the M50 to the Carrickmines/Foxrock exit, park and ride there taking the luas into the city, get off somewhere like Charlemont and walk down to the stadium, or go all the way into st Stephen’s green and pub crawl your way back out to Lansdowne
Or get off the M50 at Junction 6 Blanchardstown and use the Park and Ride at Coolmine station and either go on into Connolly, or change at Broombridge for the Greenline LUAS.
He’d have to get the red line luas and then change - I wouldn’t wish the red line on my worst enemy!
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Winnie wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 4:13 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:34 pm
Winnie wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:27 pm
Ulsters Red Hand wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:16 pm Also do we definitely need some kind of digital certificate? I thought rules changed in ROI on the 22nd?
Bunch of us going down
I hadn’t considered this
Do we need anything?
Bring your NHS pass Winnie
Will do
Cheers :thumbup:
Stats said you need some kind of certificate when I asked before. Stats?
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Duff Paddy wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 4:39 pm
camroc1 wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 4:35 pm Just saw the first Munster try from last night there. That was a disgraceful decision. Not only were two players ahead of the ball, but there was a nice line showing them to be so,
It’s hard to understand how the TMO missed it. He spent ages looking at the Connacht knock on but then for the Munster try he just gives it. It was real home advantage stuff. I blame the TMO and the touch judges more than the ref for that one. The ref did try to level things later on when a Connacht player took out a Munster player in the air and he just gave a penalty. I thought the ref was fine overall
Tbf, I think they were looking at the Connacht knock on to try and give it rather than the other way around. It was a fairly obviously forward in real time. Doesn't explain why they didn't look at the Munster try properly though. That was less obvious to the ref but what on earth was the AR looking at?
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