The Official Irish Rugby Thread

All things Rugby
cfm93
Posts: 2510
Joined: Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:59 pm

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by cfm93 »

Leinster Rugby (caps in brackets):

15. Hugo Keenan (33)
14. Adam Byrne (58)
13. Garry Ringrose (89)
12. Ciarán Frawley (39)
11. James Lowe (54)
10. Ross Byrne (107)
9. Luke McGrath (154) CAPTAIN

1. Cian Healy (235)
2. Rónan Kelleher (27)
3. Tadhg Furlong (115)
4. Ross Molony (120)
5. Ryan Baird (31)
6. Caelan Doris (42)
7. Dan Leavy (74)
8. Jack Conan (106)

Replacements:

16. Dan Sheehan (16)
17. Ed Byrne (73)
18. Michael Ala’alatoa (4)
19. Devin Toner (267)
20. Rhys Ruddock (192)
21. Jamison Gibson-Park (104)
22. Jamie Osborne (8)
23. Josh van der Flier (101)
Nolanator
Posts: 40419
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am
Location: Dublin

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by Nolanator »

OK, Healy is flitting back and forth between TH and LH. I've no idea how he's doing it. Madness.

Haven't checked the quality of the scrummagers he's been against as THP. Maybe they're not throwing him against the strongest scrummaging LHs?

I didn't check the breakdown of props in the Ireland squad. Is he there as a specialist or ambiprop?
rialtoblue
Posts: 1488
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by rialtoblue »

cfm93 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:01 pm
Leinster Rugby (caps in brackets):

15. Hugo Keenan (33)
14. Adam Byrne (58)
13. Garry Ringrose (89)
12. Ciarán Frawley (39)
11. James Lowe (54)
10. Ross Byrne (107)
9. Luke McGrath (154) CAPTAIN

1. Cian Healy (235)
2. Rónan Kelleher (27)
3. Tadhg Furlong (115)
4. Ross Molony (120)
5. Ryan Baird (31)
6. Caelan Doris (42)
7. Dan Leavy (74)
8. Jack Conan (106)

Replacements:

16. Dan Sheehan (16)
17. Ed Byrne (73)
18. Michael Ala’alatoa (4)
19. Devin Toner (267)
20. Rhys Ruddock (192)
21. Jamison Gibson-Park (104)
22. Jamie Osborne (8)
23. Josh van der Flier (101)
That backrow, and br bench, is oh so tasty
DeDoc
Posts: 1782
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by DeDoc »

anonymous_joe wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:52 amWe know Murray and POM can be world-class - as examples - whereas we don't know that about, say, Blade or Luke McGrath.
A bit loose with world-class for my liking. Murray had a level of performance for a while that any rugby fan anywhere, bar the odd uninformed loon, would acknowledge him as a serious contender for best in his position at that time, and consistent too. I don't think you could ever say that about POM. You could say his defensive lineout work was, fairly consistently, world-class perhaps. But even in his best moments, none of the other elements of his game would put him close IMO. Unless you rate angry-face as a key requirement. He has been an excellent servant and is, I'd imagine, a guy who inspires those around him. But he'd need something else to break into world class for me. See for comparison Tipuric - pretty close in terms of lineout menace. Outrageous skills. Top class support play and wins plenty of turnovers. And while I'd consider Tipuric to be a very good international, I wouldn't be calling him world class.
Jumper
Posts: 7282
Joined: Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:24 pm

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by Jumper »

anonymous_joe wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:52 am
Ulsters Red Hand wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:38 pm


That's a jumper level post
It's not.

Iarmhí is right, albeit not for the reason you think he's saying it.

A considerable number of selections are based on reputation rather than form.

The likes of POM, Murray, etc, will never get dropped with their reputations until it's undeniable.

The converse is that players at Connacht and Ulster will never get picked until it's undeniable.

Also, some of the players who we would like to see ousted have proven track records. We know Murray and POM can be world-class - as examples - whereas we don't know that about, say, Blade or Luke McGrath.
Not sure why you'd call out Ulster or Connacht only.

It's extremely obvious that the direct route to the Irish team is 5-10 good appearances for Leinster. The likes of Gavin Coombes needed to be the most impressive backrow on the island for over a year before being considered.

A Dan Sheehan wouldn't be near the squad if he played for another province.
User avatar
hermie
Posts: 11247
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by hermie »

cfm93 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:01 pm
Leinster Rugby (caps in brackets):

15. Hugo Keenan (33)
14. Adam Byrne (58)
13. Garry Ringrose (89)
12. Ciarán Frawley (39)
11. James Lowe (54)
10. Ross Byrne (107)
9. Luke McGrath (154) CAPTAIN

1. Cian Healy (235)
2. Rónan Kelleher (27)
3. Tadhg Furlong (115)
4. Ross Molony (120)
5. Ryan Baird (31)
6. Caelan Doris (42)
7. Dan Leavy (74)
8. Jack Conan (106)

Replacements:

16. Dan Sheehan (16)
17. Ed Byrne (73)
18. Michael Ala’alatoa (4)
19. Devin Toner (267)
20. Rhys Ruddock (192)
21. Jamison Gibson-Park (104)
22. Jamie Osborne (8)
23. Josh van der Flier (101)
Harry hasn't pulled through anyway. Great to see Byrne and Leavy get another start apiece. Nice looking team even if I hate the 6/2 split. Be interesting to see how the scrum goes with Baird seemingly on the TH side.
Nolanator
Posts: 40419
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am
Location: Dublin

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by Nolanator »

DeDoc wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:06 pm
anonymous_joe wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:52 amWe know Murray and POM can be world-class - as examples - whereas we don't know that about, say, Blade or Luke McGrath.
A bit loose with world-class for my liking. Murray had a level of performance for a while that any rugby fan anywhere, bar the odd uninformed loon, would acknowledge him as a serious contender for best in his position at that time, and consistent too. I don't think you could ever say that about POM. You could say his defensive lineout work was, fairly consistently, world-class perhaps. But even in his best moments, none of the other elements of his game would put him close IMO. Unless you rate angry-face as a key requirement. He has been an excellent servant and is, I'd imagine, a guy who inspires those around him. But he'd need something else to break into world class for me. See for comparison Tipuric - pretty close in terms of lineout menace. Outrageous skills. Top class support play and wins plenty of turnovers. And while I'd consider Tipuric to be a very good international, I wouldn't be calling him world class.
Ah, that's nit-picking which distracts from AJ's actual point, which I agree with.

Lads with good international reputations overstay their time (generally from Munster and Leinster); lads without don't get a fair crack (usually from Ulster and Connacht).

Some of the former have been excellent at the highest level, whether that's "world class" or not in someone's arbitrary definition. That makes it even harder to cut them adrift; "they've done it before" etc.
User avatar
lorcanoworms
Posts: 12719
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by lorcanoworms »

If you add the red card to the penalty Petey gave away just before that, well that's enough for me not to want to see him green again.
Edit. Don't want to see Lowe either.
Last edited by lorcanoworms on Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
hermie
Posts: 11247
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by hermie »

Nolanator wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:06 pm OK, Healy is flitting back and forth between TH and LH. I've no idea how he's doing it. Madness.

Haven't checked the quality of the scrummagers he's been against as THP. Maybe they're not throwing him against the strongest scrummaging LHs?

I didn't check the breakdown of props in the Ireland squad. Is he there as a specialist or ambiprop?
I think it was always likely Healy would shift back across once Furlong returned. He's done fantastically well. Proved he can be an option at TH and also a good impact sub. Now it's about perfecting that role on his more familiar side of the scrum. Jason Leonard springs to mind in terms of comparisons.
ticketlessinseattle
Posts: 10311
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am
Location: the Confederacy of Dunces

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by ticketlessinseattle »

DOB wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:12 am
lorcanoworms wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:46 am
He saved our blushes against Argentina, crocked himself doing so.
He finished off a chance 20 minutes in. Wood did the hard work for the try, and Miller had to come off the bench and play the final 60 out of position.

https://youtu.be/whLx0SxHvqY

I think if he’d realised it was a scrum half chasing him down, he would have been more careful with the grounding and not fcuked himself up.
ignore them hermie.....haters gonna hate
User avatar
anonymous_joe
Posts: 16193
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by anonymous_joe »

Jumper wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:08 pm
anonymous_joe wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:52 am
Ulsters Red Hand wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:38 pm


That's a jumper level post
It's not.

Iarmhí is right, albeit not for the reason you think he's saying it.

A considerable number of selections are based on reputation rather than form.

The likes of POM, Murray, etc, will never get dropped with their reputations until it's undeniable.

The converse is that players at Connacht and Ulster will never get picked until it's undeniable.

Also, some of the players who we would like to see ousted have proven track records. We know Murray and POM can be world-class - as examples - whereas we don't know that about, say, Blade or Luke McGrath.
Not sure why you'd call out Ulster or Connacht only.

It's extremely obvious that the direct route to the Irish team is 5-10 good appearances for Leinster. The likes of Gavin Coombes needed to be the most impressive backrow on the island for over a year before being considered.

A Dan Sheehan wouldn't be near the squad if he played for another province.
When did Munster last win something?

Despite which, their players continually keep their places in the squad even though lads who beat them regularly are their direct rivals for places.

A significant chunk of the media are fairly unsubtle about supporting Munster, nobody in the Irish media supports Connacht or Ulster.
User avatar
anonymous_joe
Posts: 16193
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by anonymous_joe »

Nolanator wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:09 pm
DeDoc wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:06 pm
anonymous_joe wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:52 amWe know Murray and POM can be world-class - as examples - whereas we don't know that about, say, Blade or Luke McGrath.
A bit loose with world-class for my liking. Murray had a level of performance for a while that any rugby fan anywhere, bar the odd uninformed loon, would acknowledge him as a serious contender for best in his position at that time, and consistent too. I don't think you could ever say that about POM. You could say his defensive lineout work was, fairly consistently, world-class perhaps. But even in his best moments, none of the other elements of his game would put him close IMO. Unless you rate angry-face as a key requirement. He has been an excellent servant and is, I'd imagine, a guy who inspires those around him. But he'd need something else to break into world class for me. See for comparison Tipuric - pretty close in terms of lineout menace. Outrageous skills. Top class support play and wins plenty of turnovers. And while I'd consider Tipuric to be a very good international, I wouldn't be calling him world class.
Ah, that's nit-picking which distracts from AJ's actual point, which I agree with.

Lads with good international reputations overstay their time (generally from Munster and Leinster); lads without don't get a fair crack (usually from Ulster and Connacht).

Some of the former have been excellent at the highest level, whether that's "world class" or not in someone's arbitrary definition. That makes it even harder to cut them adrift; "they've done it before" etc.
Bingo.

Plenty of Leinster stalwarts have the same aura about them.
Nolanator
Posts: 40419
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am
Location: Dublin

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by Nolanator »

anonymous_joe wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:18 pm
Nolanator wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:09 pm
DeDoc wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:06 pm
anonymous_joe wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:52 amWe know Murray and POM can be world-class - as examples - whereas we don't know that about, say, Blade or Luke McGrath.
A bit loose with world-class for my liking. Murray had a level of performance for a while that any rugby fan anywhere, bar the odd uninformed loon, would acknowledge him as a serious contender for best in his position at that time, and consistent too. I don't think you could ever say that about POM. You could say his defensive lineout work was, fairly consistently, world-class perhaps. But even in his best moments, none of the other elements of his game would put him close IMO. Unless you rate angry-face as a key requirement. He has been an excellent servant and is, I'd imagine, a guy who inspires those around him. But he'd need something else to break into world class for me. See for comparison Tipuric - pretty close in terms of lineout menace. Outrageous skills. Top class support play and wins plenty of turnovers. And while I'd consider Tipuric to be a very good international, I wouldn't be calling him world class.
Ah, that's nit-picking which distracts from AJ's actual point, which I agree with.

Lads with good international reputations overstay their time (generally from Munster and Leinster); lads without don't get a fair crack (usually from Ulster and Connacht).

Some of the former have been excellent at the highest level, whether that's "world class" or not in someone's arbitrary definition. That makes it even harder to cut them adrift; "they've done it before" etc.
Bingo.

Plenty of Leinster stalwarts have the same aura about them.
Generally speaking, the past it Leinster guys (Cronin? Dev? although I disagreed with Kleyn over him) can still point to winning trophies and performing in a team that beats 90+% of everyone they face as a defense.
Jumper
Posts: 7282
Joined: Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:24 pm

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by Jumper »

The conveyer belt hasn't been getting much of a run out...
Jumper
Posts: 7282
Joined: Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:24 pm

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by Jumper »

anonymous_joe wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:18 pm
Jumper wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:08 pm
anonymous_joe wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:52 am
Ulsters Red Hand wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:38 pm


That's a jumper level post
It's not.

Iarmhí is right, albeit not for the reason you think he's saying it.

A considerable number of selections are based on reputation rather than form.

The likes of POM, Murray, etc, will never get dropped with their reputations until it's undeniable.

The converse is that players at Connacht and Ulster will never get picked until it's undeniable.

Also, some of the players who we would like to see ousted have proven track records. We know Murray and POM can be world-class - as examples - whereas we don't know that about, say, Blade or Luke McGrath.
Not sure why you'd call out Ulster or Connacht only.

It's extremely obvious that the direct route to the Irish team is 5-10 good appearances for Leinster. The likes of Gavin Coombes needed to be the most impressive backrow on the island for over a year before being considered.

A Dan Sheehan wouldn't be near the squad if he played for another province.
When did Munster last win something?

Despite which, their players continually keep their places in the squad even though lads who beat them regularly are their direct rivals for places.

A significant chunk of the media are fairly unsubtle about supporting Munster, nobody in the Irish media supports Connacht or Ulster.
If being a tiny/small part in a successful team is the criterea you're happy with, theres not much else to say.
User avatar
camroc1
Posts: 44720
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by camroc1 »

Is it the school holidays this week, or something ?
User avatar
anonymous_joe
Posts: 16193
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by anonymous_joe »

Nolanator wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:22 pm
anonymous_joe wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:18 pm
Nolanator wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:09 pm
DeDoc wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:06 pm
anonymous_joe wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:52 amWe know Murray and POM can be world-class - as examples - whereas we don't know that about, say, Blade or Luke McGrath.
A bit loose with world-class for my liking. Murray had a level of performance for a while that any rugby fan anywhere, bar the odd uninformed loon, would acknowledge him as a serious contender for best in his position at that time, and consistent too. I don't think you could ever say that about POM. You could say his defensive lineout work was, fairly consistently, world-class perhaps. But even in his best moments, none of the other elements of his game would put him close IMO. Unless you rate angry-face as a key requirement. He has been an excellent servant and is, I'd imagine, a guy who inspires those around him. But he'd need something else to break into world class for me. See for comparison Tipuric - pretty close in terms of lineout menace. Outrageous skills. Top class support play and wins plenty of turnovers. And while I'd consider Tipuric to be a very good international, I wouldn't be calling him world class.
Ah, that's nit-picking which distracts from AJ's actual point, which I agree with.

Lads with good international reputations overstay their time (generally from Munster and Leinster); lads without don't get a fair crack (usually from Ulster and Connacht).

Some of the former have been excellent at the highest level, whether that's "world class" or not in someone's arbitrary definition. That makes it even harder to cut them adrift; "they've done it before" etc.
Bingo.

Plenty of Leinster stalwarts have the same aura about them.
Generally speaking, the past it Leinster guys (Cronin? Dev? although I disagreed with Kleyn over him) can still point to winning trophies and performing in a team that beats 90+% of everyone they face as a defense.
It definitely makes this entire rigamarole somewhat more pointed.

Murray is one thing, but I will never understand how POM has been favoured over Ruddock for so long. It's not that POM's bad, Ruddock is better and has generally beaten him in most games they've played against each other.
User avatar
anonymous_joe
Posts: 16193
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by anonymous_joe »

Jumper wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:28 pm

If being a tiny/small part in a successful team is the criterea you're happy with, theres not much else to say.
Peak Jumper. :lol:
User avatar
Luckycharmer
Posts: 9985
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by Luckycharmer »

hermie wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:47 am
rialtoblue wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:24 am
hermie wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:18 am
rialtoblue wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:08 am
hermie wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:50 am
Good gag, worth repeating (must rewatch that movie actually).

But as the butt of the joke it's more, for me, the dawning realization that we're going to be again with Murray & Sexton in France 2023 that has me a bit upset, not so much this player or that player.
The difference is that Murray has capable replacements behind him who will probably not be given fair consideration.

At the moment, no-one is pressing Sexton for the position.

Both very frustrating, but very different types of frustration. I'd agree though that picking Sexton against Japan and Argentina would be completely pointless, but almost certainly will be the case for at least one of them
That's true but at the same time Sexton is quite a bit older than Murray so not building strength in depth at 10 is no less indictable an offence.

Ideally yes, but you can't build depth if the players aren't there. If Carbery wasn't made of chocolate and had maintained decent form, and if H Byrne wasn't also made of chocolate and was further down the road, then the picture right now could be very different and Sexton could be the elder statesman closing out matches. And if my auntie had balls etc.

I don't think we can blame Farrell for the ten options being shit or unfit. I will lay into him though if Sexton starts more than the NZ match
There isn't a standout candidate but I think it's lazy to say there just aren't other options. And that's not true about Harry Byrne, he wasn't selected previously when fit before and when he finally was he got what, 25 mins against the US? But there's Ben Healy, I really rate him always have and he's in flying form again. Not a look in. There's Michael Lowry, who I think could be the player they want Joey Carbery to be, not a look in. Carty is a bit older but always should have been ahead of the likes of Burns/Byrne snr. Also a live option, in good form. Not a look in.

Farrell has made poor decisions both in terms of not backing youth and even in doing so, backing the wrong horses.
They gave Carberry the starts as was just back from injury and wanted to see if he could challenge Sexton for starting spot. He had done it in the past at international level and rightly/wrong they wanted to see if he could regain that form.
Ben Healy up to the Scarlets game had looked like another R Byrne clone great kicking game but couldn't get backline running. How quickly you forget his starts against Benetton which JJ had come off the bench to save and against Connacht in the mickey mouse cup which they lost knocking them out of finally winning some Silverware. Really hope he starts this w/end and carries on the form from Scarlets game so can usurp Carberry.
Lowry can't get ahead of billy burns or any starts at 10 for Ulster but you want him to play for Ireland at 10!! Be interesting with Addison's injury will he move back to fullback.
Harry can't last 20 mins so no idea if going to step but at least he is only 22 so worth giving a chance to.
User avatar
DOB
Posts: 20913
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by DOB »

Nolanator wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:22 pm
Bingo.

Plenty of Leinster stalwarts have the same aura about them.


Generally speaking, the past it Leinster guys (Cronin? Dev? although I disagreed with Kleyn over him) can still point to winning trophies and performing in a team that beats 90+% of everyone they face as a defense.
I wouldn’t put Cronin in the list. He’s played his last test, and he’s still younger than Rory was at the last RWC.

If Ulster haven’t had an Ireland player overstay his welcome in recent years, it’s probably because they haven’t been supplying as many starters in recent years, and many of the ones they have supplied (Simon Best, Ferris, Payne, Henry) have had their careers shortened by injury/health reasons. Bowe and Trimble lost out to competition from younger players like Jacob Stockdale.
User avatar
CM11
Posts: 65532
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by CM11 »

anonymous_joe wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:44 pm
Nolanator wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:22 pm
anonymous_joe wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:18 pm
Nolanator wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:09 pm
DeDoc wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:06 pm

A bit loose with world-class for my liking. Murray had a level of performance for a while that any rugby fan anywhere, bar the odd uninformed loon, would acknowledge him as a serious contender for best in his position at that time, and consistent too. I don't think you could ever say that about POM. You could say his defensive lineout work was, fairly consistently, world-class perhaps. But even in his best moments, none of the other elements of his game would put him close IMO. Unless you rate angry-face as a key requirement. He has been an excellent servant and is, I'd imagine, a guy who inspires those around him. But he'd need something else to break into world class for me. See for comparison Tipuric - pretty close in terms of lineout menace. Outrageous skills. Top class support play and wins plenty of turnovers. And while I'd consider Tipuric to be a very good international, I wouldn't be calling him world class.
Ah, that's nit-picking which distracts from AJ's actual point, which I agree with.

Lads with good international reputations overstay their time (generally from Munster and Leinster); lads without don't get a fair crack (usually from Ulster and Connacht).

Some of the former have been excellent at the highest level, whether that's "world class" or not in someone's arbitrary definition. That makes it even harder to cut them adrift; "they've done it before" etc.
Bingo.

Plenty of Leinster stalwarts have the same aura about them.
Generally speaking, the past it Leinster guys (Cronin? Dev? although I disagreed with Kleyn over him) can still point to winning trophies and performing in a team that beats 90+% of everyone they face as a defense.
It definitely makes this entire rigamarole somewhat more pointed.

Murray is one thing, but I will never understand how POM has been favoured over Ruddock for so long. It's not that POM's bad, Ruddock is better and has generally beaten him in most games they've played against each other.
Lineout.
irishrugbyua
Posts: 16798
Joined: Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:10 pm

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by irishrugbyua »

Jumper wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:25 pm The conveyer belt hasn't been getting much of a run out...
18 irish squad players who had to get game time before nov. internationals.. even still the following 23 and under players have game time for leinster thru 4 games:

23y Ronan Kelleher - irish intl
23y Dan Sheehan - irish intl
23y Ciaran Frawley - irish intl
23y Caelan Doris - irish intl
23y Tommy O'Brien
22y Ryan Baird - irish intl
22y Harry Byrne - irish intl
22y Scott Penny
22y Rob Russell
19y Jamie Osborne - irish dev player

conveyor belt looks fine ;)
Last edited by irishrugbyua on Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:06 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Willie Falloon
Posts: 10228
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by Willie Falloon »

anonymous_joe wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:52 am
Ulsters Red Hand wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:38 pm


That's a jumper level post
It's not.

Iarmhí is right, albeit not for the reason you think he's saying it.

A considerable number of selections are based on reputation rather than form.

The likes of POM, Murray, etc, will never get dropped with their reputations until it's undeniable.

The converse is that players at Connacht and Ulster will never get picked until it's undeniable.

Also, some of the players who we would like to see ousted have proven track records. We know Murray and POM can be world-class - as examples - whereas we don't know that about, say, Blade or Luke McGrath.
It’s been 10 years since Munster won a trophy of note.
User avatar
lorcanoworms
Posts: 12719
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by lorcanoworms »

Willie Falloon wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:05 pm
anonymous_joe wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:52 am
Ulsters Red Hand wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:38 pm


That's a jumper level post
It's not.

Iarmhí is right, albeit not for the reason you think he's saying it.

A considerable number of selections are based on reputation rather than form.

The likes of POM, Murray, etc, will never get dropped with their reputations until it's undeniable.

The converse is that players at Connacht and Ulster will never get picked until it's undeniable.

Also, some of the players who we would like to see ousted have proven track records. We know Murray and POM can be world-class - as examples - whereas we don't know that about, say, Blade or Luke McGrath.
It’s been 10 years since Munster won a trophy of note.
Double digits :shock:
User avatar
Winnie
Posts: 18618
Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:18 pm

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by Winnie »

As always its harder to get off the Irish squad than into it

If BOD had decided to keep playing into his 40s he would still be in that squad
User avatar
Willie Falloon
Posts: 10228
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by Willie Falloon »

Winnie wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:17 pm As always its harder to get off the Irish squad than into it

If BOD had decided to keep playing into his 40s he would still be in that squad
You seen the cries of horror from the Irish media when Gatland dropped BOD from the Lions and didn’t select Sexton.
User avatar
camroc1
Posts: 44720
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by camroc1 »

Winnie wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:17 pm As always its harder to get off the Irish squad than into it

If BOD had decided to keep playing into his 40s he would still be in that squad
A complaint I first heard said about Tommy Kiernan, and was repeated about Mike Gibson for a number of years.

Plus ca change mais c'est la meme chose.
User avatar
diarm
Posts: 2215
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by diarm »

I'd like to see a side like this named for Japan:

Porter Kelleher Furlong
Beirne Henderson
Coombes Conan Timoney
Casey H.Byrne
Baloucoune Frawley Hume Larmour
Keenan

Sheehan, Killer, O'Toole, Ryan, Doris, (Doak), Carberry, Zebo

Considering we'll probably see this for NZ:

Porter Herring Furlong
Henderson Ryan
Beirne Conan VdFlier
Murray Sexton
Conway Aki Ringrose Earls
Keenan

Kelleher, Killer, Healy, Beirne, Coombes, Gibson-Park, Carberry, Larmour
User avatar
redderneck
Posts: 16477
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am
Location: We'll Never Forget You Geordan D'Arcy

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by redderneck »

It's all part of a Farrell/Catt masterplan lads. Pick the Dad's Army backline and backrow against Japan, and watch them blue-arsed fly a fistful of Irish careers into the ground.

It's the Irish way.

Never, ever, ever stage a proactive clearout. React to the opposition baytin' you over the head with the clearout time bata.

If we were torturing detainees for a living, and had a full wetroom at our disposal, freestanding bathtubs, powerhoses, galvanised buckets to beat the band, we'd contrive to sit someone in a comfy armchair under a rainfall showerhead.

And send someone upstairs an hour before starting to make sure the immersion was turned on.
DeDoc
Posts: 1782
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by DeDoc »

diarm wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:51 pm I'd like to see a side like this named for Japan:

Porter Kelleher Furlong
Beirne Henderson
Coombes Conan Timoney
Casey H.Byrne
Baloucoune Frawley Hume Larmour
Keenan

Sheehan, Killer, O'Toole, Ryan, Doris, (Doak), Carberry, Zebo

Considering we'll probably see this for NZ:

Porter Herring Furlong
Henderson Ryan
Beirne Conan VdFlier
Murray Sexton
Conway Aki Ringrose Earls
Keenan

Kelleher, Killer, Healy, Beirne, Coombes, Gibson-Park, Carberry, Larmour
Thats a nicely talented side, but very inexperienced in the backs. Japan are too good a side IMO to field such a young team. I'd swap Conan and Coombes and let Coombes have the comfort of his familiar and best position. alternatively, give Conan the week off and let Ruddock play 6, or God help us POM. I'd start a more experienced 9 to let Byrne settle, or else bring him off the bench and let Joey start with Casey. Put one of Aki/Ringrose in the centre and displace one of your starting centres to the bench.
ticketlessinseattle
Posts: 10311
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am
Location: the Confederacy of Dunces

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by ticketlessinseattle »

camroc1 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:37 pm Is it the school holidays this week, or something ?
next week,
User avatar
diarm
Posts: 2215
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by diarm »

DeDoc wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 3:05 pm
diarm wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:51 pm I'd like to see a side like this named for Japan:

Porter Kelleher Furlong
Beirne Henderson
Coombes Conan Timoney
Casey H.Byrne
Baloucoune Frawley Hume Larmour
Keenan

Sheehan, Killer, O'Toole, Ryan, Doris, (Doak), Carberry, Zebo

Considering we'll probably see this for NZ:

Porter Herring Furlong
Henderson Ryan
Beirne Conan VdFlier
Murray Sexton
Conway Aki Ringrose Earls
Keenan

Kelleher, Killer, Healy, Beirne, Coombes, Gibson-Park, Carberry, Larmour
Thats a nicely talented side, but very inexperienced in the backs. Japan are too good a side IMO to field such a young team. I'd swap Conan and Coombes and let Coombes have the comfort of his familiar and best position. alternatively, give Conan the week off and let Ruddock play 6, or God help us POM. I'd start a more experienced 9 to let Byrne settle, or else bring him off the bench and let Joey start with Casey. Put one of Aki/Ringrose in the centre and displace one of your starting centres to the bench.
I'm all for playing Coombes at 8 - he's far, far better there. I just can't see them moving Conan from there after his Lions exploits.

You're probably right on the centres to be fair.
User avatar
Luckycharmer
Posts: 9985
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by Luckycharmer »

diarm wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:51 pm I'd like to see a side like this named for Japan:

Porter Kelleher Furlong
Beirne Henderson
Coombes Conan Timoney
Casey H.Byrne
Baloucoune Frawley Hume Larmour
Keenan

Sheehan, Killer, O'Toole, Ryan, Doris, (Doak), Carberry, Zebo

Considering we'll probably see this for NZ:

Porter Herring Furlong
Henderson Ryan
Beirne Conan VdFlier
Murray Sexton
Conway Aki Ringrose Earls
Keenan

Kelleher, Killer, Healy, Beirne, Coombes, Gibson-Park, Carberry, Larmour
Really like that team against Japan. Be interesting to see if Kelleher has usurped Herring yet. It all comes down to his throwing. Play Coombes against Japan,Wouldn't be suprised to see Zebo start against All Blacks.
All our other options have glaring issues Lowe his defence, Larmour poor under high ball, can Balocoune play on the left (can he kick?).
User avatar
Luckycharmer
Posts: 9985
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by Luckycharmer »

DeDoc wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 3:05 pm
diarm wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:51 pm I'd like to see a side like this named for Japan:

Porter Kelleher Furlong
Beirne Henderson
Coombes Conan Timoney
Casey H.Byrne
Baloucoune Frawley Hume Larmour
Keenan

Sheehan, Killer, O'Toole, Ryan, Doris, (Doak), Carberry, Zebo

Considering we'll probably see this for NZ:

Porter Herring Furlong
Henderson Ryan
Beirne Conan VdFlier
Murray Sexton
Conway Aki Ringrose Earls
Keenan

Kelleher, Killer, Healy, Beirne, Coombes, Gibson-Park, Carberry, Larmour
Thats a nicely talented side, but very inexperienced in the backs. Japan are too good a side IMO to field such a young team. I'd swap Conan and Coombes and let Coombes have the comfort of his familiar and best position. alternatively, give Conan the week off and let Ruddock play 6, or God help us POM. I'd start a more experienced 9 to let Byrne settle, or else bring him off the bench and let Joey start with Casey. Put one of Aki/Ringrose in the centre and displace one of your starting centres to the bench.
Don't think Ruddock is in the squad.
User avatar
Duff Paddy
Posts: 42620
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by Duff Paddy »

diarm wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:51 pm I'd like to see a side like this named for Japan:

Porter Kelleher Furlong
Beirne Henderson
Coombes Conan Timoney
Casey H.Byrne
Baloucoune Frawley Hume Larmour
Keenan

Sheehan, Killer, O'Toole, Ryan, Doris, (Doak), Carberry, Zebo

Considering we'll probably see this for NZ:

Porter Herring Furlong
Henderson Ryan
Beirne Conan VdFlier
Murray Sexton
Conway Aki Ringrose Earls
Keenan

Kelleher, Killer, Healy, Beirne, Coombes, Gibson-Park, Carberry, Larmour
That pack could compete with NZ but they are just far better man for man in the backs it’s a complete mismatch
User avatar
Floppykid
Posts: 33472
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am
Location: SOB>Todd

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by Floppykid »

Harry must not be fit this week.
Really hoping he can get fit.
Nolanator
Posts: 40419
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am
Location: Dublin

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by Nolanator »

Floppykid wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 3:58 pm Harry must not be fit this week.
Really hoping he can get fit.
You should save that draft to save you time typing it every few weeks.
ticketlessinseattle
Posts: 10311
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am
Location: the Confederacy of Dunces

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by ticketlessinseattle »

Nolanator wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 5:46 pm
Floppykid wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 3:58 pm Harry must not be fit this week.
Really hoping he can get fit.
You should save that draft to save you time typing it every few weeks.
think he has.....its shown up on the NAMA thread a few times.....
User avatar
paddyor
Posts: 19716
Joined: Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:51 pm

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by paddyor »

Hellraiser wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 8:21 pm
discoconway wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:56 pm The narrative around Sexton is hilarious. Yes, in an ideal world we shouldn't be relying on a 36 year old half back but he is clearly our best OH option. And him starting there isn't impacting someone's development. Before any of the other options get a shot at the national jersey, they should need to prove they can perform at a European level. So far, none of them have done that. You earn an international cap, you aren't given one!
That's never been true in Irish rugby.
Yeah, there's loads of players who were given caps. Nothing against the handsome bastard but Billy Holland comes to mind.
User avatar
Winnie
Posts: 18618
Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:18 pm

Re: The Official Irish Rugby Thread

Post by Winnie »

diarm wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:51 pm I'd like to see a side like this named for Japan:

Porter Kelleher Furlong
Beirne Henderson
Coombes Conan Timoney
Casey H.Byrne
Baloucoune Frawley Hume Larmour
Keenan

Sheehan, Killer, O'Toole, Ryan, Doris, (Doak), Carberry, Zebo

Considering we'll probably see this for NZ:

Porter Herring Furlong
Henderson Ryan
Beirne Conan VdFlier
Murray (32), Sexton (36)
Conway (30), Aki (31), Ringrose (26), Earls (34)
Keenan (25)

Kelleher, Killer, Healy, Beirne, Coombes, Gibson-Park, Carberry, Larmour
Average age about 31
Average age of the NZ backline that started against SA-26
Brutal
Conway, Aki, Earls & Murray all need jetisoned
Sexton too except there is no one on the island to replace him
Post Reply