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Trostan wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:03 pm
Luckycharmer wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:24 pm
irishrugbyua wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:28 pm
Luckycharmer wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 12:33 pm
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easier to produce big athletic forwards than big athletic wingers.. as the wingers require greater athleticism.

who said bigger automatically means better? Just that in general leinster has not produced many elite wingers in recent times and any academy wingers they have had through the system haven't been bigger than 6'0 and 85-90kg.

You don't have to look very far for a province producing top quality big wingers in Stockdale and Balacoune.

I'm not sure what Berti has to do with this but nice if you to bring him up again.

Leinster need all the talent they can get in the backline, irregardless of height, it's just a fact that recently for back three players they source most of their talent from two schools.
Everything is Cyclical, if you are big you tend to end up in the forwards. For example someone like Timoney if had come up through Ulster might ended up on the wing, he seems to have the pace and skills to play there. Balacoune is tall but he is only 92kg. Players don't just come from 2 schools, Frawley SKerries 6ft 3 15 stone, JOB Newbridge, Osbourne Naas 6ft 4 15 stone with room to get bigger, Hawksaw Belvo.
Also I hate the way certain people seem to think it is Leinsters god damn right to produce ALL the top quality players in every position. How it is a disaster if we don't win every single comp we play in each year, everything is wrong with the system x( Similar to new rugby fans who don't remember how sh*t Ireland were in the 90s and where we have come from.
Be an interesting stat to see what pool of young players each team is pulling from each year. I imagine the South African teams have a much bigger pool of young schools players than Leinster do. Alot of the French clubs as well. I wouldn't say there is a big difference in the amount of schools rugby players in Leinster in comparison to Ulster (open to correction).
where did I say players only came from two schools? I didn't, I did say that back three players who have joined the academy recently have for the most part came from two schools and this is true.

where did I say it was leinster right to produce all the top quality players? I didn't, but there a professional pathways and discussing how those pathways are doing when it comes to talent development is hardly an outrageous topic, if you don't like it ignore the post.

where did I say everything is wrong with the leinster system or that every season leinster don't win in europe is a disaster? I didn't, but let's not pretend the leinster system can't be improved upon or that the players don't measure their season by how they perform in european competition and any season recently that they haven't made the final has been a disappointment.

It's pro sport and leinster and ireland are aiming to be competitive at the highest level with homegrown players, thankfully it's a lot better than the 90's, why? Because development pathways were professionalized and improved, this is a constant process and pointing out areas that can be improved upon doesn't make someone some sort of spoiled fan. :thumbup:
Yes Leinster compete in Europe with Homegrown players or Irish qualified players. We currently have 2 Irish qualified kiwis, one samoan and Cronin who came up through Munster system plus another 20 Leinster academy players. No other top pro team in World rugby has as many local players and plenty of them have much bigger pools than Leinster. Our pool of players are cyclical.

We lost in Europe to La Rochelle, that had 2 Kwi halfbacks, 2 south african wingers, a Fijian centre, Monster Ozzie second row and another all black number 8.
It is not like for like we are competing against, is this the route we want to go down and lose our identity because it is very hard to dominate Europe when you are picking form a small pool of players against teams that cherry pick the best players in the World. Sometimes alot of "new" fans (not calling you this") don't seem to realise this.
Just about 100% right.
But, when Leinster can't see how to develop a position from young internal talent, like the world-class club side that they are, they should buy in
Agree still think we need a niggly tighthead lock maybe they have alot of faith in Ross Moloney who is getting alot more game time than he normal.
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Elsom, Hines, Thorn and Fardy all played crucial roles in Leinster's Heineken Cup wins.
We're still not producing those players ourselves so Leinster are always going to struggle at the business end of the season against teams who are allowed to buy that talent in.

Apart from Munster of course. ;)
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Zico wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:27 pm Elsom, Hines, Thorn and Fardy all played crucial roles in Leinster's Heineken Cup wins.
We're still not producing those players ourselves so Leinster are always going to struggle at the business end of the season against teams who are allowed to buy that talent in.

Apart from Munster of course. ;)
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Tell us.

Did ye buy Simon Mason or just rent him?
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redderneck wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:57 pm Tell us.

Did ye buy Simon Mason or just rent him?
He played for Ireland.
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Good team tonight:

Difficult place to win though

Rugby (caps in brackets):

15. Hugo Keenan (33)
14. Adam Byrne (58)
13. Garry Ringrose (89)
12. Ciarán Frawley (39)
11. James Lowe (54)
10. Ross Byrne (107)
9. Luke McGrath (154) CAPTAIN

1. Cian Healy (235)
2. Rónan Kelleher (27)
3. Tadhg Furlong (115)
4. Ross Molony (120)
5. Ryan Baird (31)
6. Caelan Doris (42)
7. Dan Leavy (74)
8. Jack Conan (106)

Replacements:

16. Dan Sheehan (16)
17. Ed Byrne (73)
18. Michael Ala’alatoa (4)
19. Devin Toner (267)
20. Rhys Ruddock (192)
21. Jamison Gibson-Park (104)
22. Jamie Osborne (8)
23. Josh van der Flier (101)
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Gone with a 6/2 on the bench.

Frawley better not get injured
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Zico wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:27 pm Elsom, Hines, Thorn and Fardy all played crucial roles in Leinster's Heineken Cup wins.
We're still not producing those players ourselves so Leinster are always going to struggle at the business end of the season against teams who are allowed to buy that talent in.

Apart from Munster of course. ;)
These things happen in cycles. Like the time Ireland won their first grand slam in decades with an entirely Munster pack.

One day it might even happen with an Ulster based 8 forwards.
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diarm wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:30 pm
Zico wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:27 pm Elsom, Hines, Thorn and Fardy all played crucial roles in Leinster's Heineken Cup wins.
We're still not producing those players ourselves so Leinster are always going to struggle at the business end of the season against teams who are allowed to buy that talent in.

Apart from Munster of course. ;)
These things happen in cycles. Like the time Ireland won their first grand slam in decades with an entirely Munster pack.

One day it might even happen with an Ulster based 8 forwards.
:lol:
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I hate to sound like Duff, but Lowe really needs a haircut.
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Salanya wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:36 pm I hate to sound like Duff, but Lowe really needs a haircut.
You need a haircut
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Good start. 0-3
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Nice one!

15 man try.
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Thats a beaut.
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Kelleher :thumbup: 🍆
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Good try (or v soft defending)
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I’d say it’s f**king freezing up there
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Lovely offload from Leavy, I'm starting to get excited that he might return as good as before.
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HighKingLeinster wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:44 pm Kelleher :thumbup: 🍆
He’s some player
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Charger21 wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:44 pm Good try (or v soft defending)
Bit of both.
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Duff Paddy wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:45 pm
HighKingLeinster wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:44 pm Kelleher :thumbup: 🍆
He’s some player
White Sheehan.
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CM11 wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:44 pm Lovely offload from Leavy, I'm starting to get excited that he might return as good as before.
You had to say it didn’t you
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In case Dan Sheahan thought scoring a try would get him ahead of Kelleher :lol:
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Duff Paddy wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:45 pm
CM11 wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:44 pm Lovely offload from Leavy, I'm starting to get excited that he might return as good as before.
You had to say it didn’t you
Relax, it'll be fine........ (crosses fingers).
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CM11 wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:44 pm Lovely offload from Leavy, I'm starting to get excited that he might return as good as before.
Why in the name of fùck would you say that, you up-skirting pervert
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Duff Paddy wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:42 pm
Salanya wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:36 pm I hate to sound like Duff, but Lowe really needs a haircut.
You need a haircut
What's wrong with a woman with long hair?
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HighKingLeinster wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:47 pm
CM11 wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:44 pm Lovely offload from Leavy, I'm starting to get excited that he might return as good as before.
Why in the name of fùck would you say that, you up-skirting pervert
:lol:
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HighKingLeinster wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:47 pm
CM11 wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:44 pm Lovely offload from Leavy, I'm starting to get excited that he might return as good as before.
Why in the name of fùck would you say that, you up-skirting pervert
:lol: :x
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Duff Paddy wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:45 pm
HighKingLeinster wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:44 pm Kelleher :thumbup: 🍆
He’s some player
Better winger than his brother
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Leavy seems v prone to cuts.
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Was that Leavy getting treatment? Sorry lads. :blush:
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3 homer penalties in a row there
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Charger21 wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:52 pm Leavy seems v prone to cuts.
Puts his body, and particularly his face for some reason, on the line.
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nardol wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:52 pm 3 homer penalties in a row there
Hopefully he is consistent
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Mcgrath got lucky there.
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CM11 wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:52 pm Was that Leavy getting treatment? Sorry lads. :blush:
The medics will send you the bill.
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Charger21 wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:54 pm
nardol wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:52 pm 3 homer penalties in a row there
Hopefully he is consistent
Once we get used to the refereeing and the conditions we will be unstoppable
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FFS Baird.
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Well said Balcony Bob, less of the football behaviour please weegies.
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Leinster conceding a lot of penalties
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