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The producer of this film might be in trouble, especially if he or she has been cutting corners.
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PornDog wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:08 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:44 pm
backrow wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:54 pm
feckwanker wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:47 pm
Pole wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:26 pm To be honest reporting someone to their employee for a dick comment is just as dick if not bigger then what he said.
I'm not suggesting that for one second - the point I'm making is that people seem to say 'edgy' stuff when they're online and anonymous. I'm not so sure they'd be so vocal in their opinions in an open work/social environment.
This place is quite tame compared some work and social environments tbf, it’s a fallacy to think edgelords are just on the internet. I don’t know what his comment even refers to.
Kyle Rittenhouse is a 17 year old. He had a gun during a riot.

He shot some guys. Some of them, if not all, intended to harm him, possibly kill him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iryQSpxSlrg

Some people think he acted in self-defense, and that the people he shot were not innocent.

It is more than likely that the people Baldwin shot posed no threat to him.
And that situation relates to this tragedy.........how?

You're abusing this tragedy to shoehorn in your own f**ked up alt-right agenda bollox. At least have the minimal amount of decency to own that much.
Clearly there's not a thread or topic that Mick can't tank with his fvckwittery.
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I don't give a fuck what you think.
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As an outdoor sportsman and avid hunter I am baffled when Alec blames someone for handing him a "hot Gun". I would never trust anyone to load any of my weapons or clear them. It only takes 60 seconds to load your clip and verify what you are about to fire at another person be it combat training or acting. For my own safety & liability purposes I would at least be present and observe the process if a safety tech is involved. Blame is an ugly word. I prefer asking myself, "What could I / should I have done" instead. Even if I fired a blank round, any obstruction in the barrel could blow my hand off or result in my own death. I can not fathom how these people are not trained in basic firearms safety.

"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity".
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Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:36 pm I don't give a fuck what you think.
Why dont you go chat with your mate with covid pneumonia then, maybe he cares.
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Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:54 am As an outdoor sportsman and avid hunter I am baffled when Alec blames someone for handing him a "hot Gun". I would never trust anyone to load any of my weapons or clear them. It only takes 60 seconds to load your clip and verify what you are about to fire at another person be it combat training or acting. For my own safety & liability purposes I would at least be present and observe the process if a safety tech is involved. Blame is an ugly word. I prefer asking myself, "What could I / should I have done" instead. Even if I fired a blank round, any obstruction in the barrel could blow my hand off or result in my own death. I can not fathom how these people are not trained in basic firearms safety.

"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity".

fudge me you’re an idiot…

For obvious reasons, an armourer, and not actors are responsible for firearm safety on a film set.
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Slim 293 wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:27 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:54 am As an outdoor sportsman and avid hunter I am baffled when Alec blames someone for handing him a "hot Gun". I would never trust anyone to load any of my weapons or clear them. It only takes 60 seconds to load your clip and verify what you are about to fire at another person be it combat training or acting. For my own safety & liability purposes I would at least be present and observe the process if a safety tech is involved. Blame is an ugly word. I prefer asking myself, "What could I / should I have done" instead. Even if I fired a blank round, any obstruction in the barrel could blow my hand off or result in my own death. I can not fathom how these people are not trained in basic firearms safety.

"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity".

fudge me you’re an idiot…

For obvious reasons, an armourer, and not actors are responsible for firearm safety on a film set.
Obviouly....worked out well didn't it you ignorant tosser.
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Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:33 am
Slim 293 wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:27 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:54 am As an outdoor sportsman and avid hunter I am baffled when Alec blames someone for handing him a "hot Gun". I would never trust anyone to load any of my weapons or clear them. It only takes 60 seconds to load your clip and verify what you are about to fire at another person be it combat training or acting. For my own safety & liability purposes I would at least be present and observe the process if a safety tech is involved. Blame is an ugly word. I prefer asking myself, "What could I / should I have done" instead. Even if I fired a blank round, any obstruction in the barrel could blow my hand off or result in my own death. I can not fathom how these people are not trained in basic firearms safety.

"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity".

fudge me you’re an idiot…

For obvious reasons, an armourer, and not actors are responsible for firearm safety on a film set.
Obviouly....worked out well didn't it you ignorant tosser.
Amazing post from him considering the outcome :lol:
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AnkleTap wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:53 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:33 am
Slim 293 wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:27 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:54 am As an outdoor sportsman and avid hunter I am baffled when Alec blames someone for handing him a "hot Gun". I would never trust anyone to load any of my weapons or clear them. It only takes 60 seconds to load your clip and verify what you are about to fire at another person be it combat training or acting. For my own safety & liability purposes I would at least be present and observe the process if a safety tech is involved. Blame is an ugly word. I prefer asking myself, "What could I / should I have done" instead. Even if I fired a blank round, any obstruction in the barrel could blow my hand off or result in my own death. I can not fathom how these people are not trained in basic firearms safety.

"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity".

fudge me you’re an idiot…

For obvious reasons, an armourer, and not actors are responsible for firearm safety on a film set.
Obviouly....worked out well didn't it you ignorant tosser.
Amazing post from him considering the outcome :lol:
IThe Irony and stupidity of his position given one person is dead and another in ICU is fvking unreal. Only a douchebag would trust anyone to hand them a firearm without checking everything even if his title is "armourer". I don't give a fvck if you call it a "set" or not. Gun Rules don't change no matter where you are or who you are.
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Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:18 am
IThe Irony and stupidity of his position given one person is dead and another in ICU is fvking unreal. Only a douchebag would trust anyone to hand them a firearm without checking everything even if his title is "armourer". I don't give a fvck if you call it a "set" or not. Gun Rules don't change no matter where you are or who you are.
Who's to say Baldwin would have a clue whether it was a blank, dummy or live round anyway?

This is a horrible accident, but I don't think blaming the actor for this is the answer. Lots of actors put their own safety on the line with stunts & the like and they do so by trusting that the people who's job it is to keep them safe are doing their job properly, just like Baldwin trusted the armourer or weapons wrangler or whatever to do theirs.

Yeah, you could say that maybe any actor handling weapons should have to do mandatory weapons training, but tbh I don't see why they need to use working weapons in film anyway. You could have a dummy weapon that makes a small muzzle flash (but that are incapable of actually firing a projectile) so the actors aren't entirely imagining the shot timing and then add in larger flashes in post. I know a lot of productions do this already but with unloaded real guns.
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Jay Cee Gee wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:31 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:18 am
IThe Irony and stupidity of his position given one person is dead and another in ICU is fvking unreal. Only a douchebag would trust anyone to hand them a firearm without checking everything even if his title is "armourer". I don't give a fvck if you call it a "set" or not. Gun Rules don't change no matter where you are or who you are.
Who's to say Baldwin would have a clue whether it was a blank, dummy or live round anyway?
<snip>
Then he shouldn't have the job. Actors get paid enough money to complete an 8 hour gun safety course and if they can memorize lines & follow instructions then they are intelligent enough to observe the technician loading their weapon before they fire it. No matter where I am or what I am doing, if I pull a trigger, I am responsible for the result. Period. 100% of all firearm accidents are preventable.
At the end of the day, Alec knows this also. He has handled firearms in 7 other movies so yes, he has a clue.
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Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:19 am
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:31 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:18 am
IThe Irony and stupidity of his position given one person is dead and another in ICU is fvking unreal. Only a douchebag would trust anyone to hand them a firearm without checking everything even if his title is "armourer". I don't give a fvck if you call it a "set" or not. Gun Rules don't change no matter where you are or who you are.
Who's to say Baldwin would have a clue whether it was a blank, dummy or live round anyway?
<snip>
Then he shouldn't have the job. Actors get paid enough money to complete an 8 hour gun safety course and if they can memorize lines & follow instructions then they are intelligent enough to observe the technician loading their weapon before they fire it. No matter where I am or what I am doing, if I pull a trigger, I am responsible for the result. Period. 100% of all firearm accidents are preventable.
At the end of the day, Alec knows this also. He has handled firearms in 7 other movies so yes, he has a clue.
He got the job cause they don't require him to know that and he would've handled the firearms in the 7 other movies in the exact manner, just as 99.9% of actors would have. They trust the people who's job it is to keep them safe.

I don't reckon the answer is to add relying on actors as a further level of scrutiny - they're often complete basket cases anyway and they're not hired for their intelligence or common sense. The answer is to not give them potentially deadly devices when there's really no reason they need them in the first place.
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Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:19 am
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:31 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:18 am
IThe Irony and stupidity of his position given one person is dead and another in ICU is fvking unreal. Only a douchebag would trust anyone to hand them a firearm without checking everything even if his title is "armourer". I don't give a fvck if you call it a "set" or not. Gun Rules don't change no matter where you are or who you are.
Who's to say Baldwin would have a clue whether it was a blank, dummy or live round anyway?
<snip>
Then he shouldn't have the job. Actors get paid enough money to complete an 8 hour gun safety course and if they can memorize lines & follow instructions then they are intelligent enough to observe the technician loading their weapon before they fire it. No matter where I am or what I am doing, if I pull a trigger, I am responsible for the result. Period. 100% of all firearm accidents are preventable.
At the end of the day, Alec knows this also. He has handled firearms in 7 other movies so yes, he has a clue.

You really can’t be this dumb? :roll:
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Slim 293 wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:39 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:19 am
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:31 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:18 am
IThe Irony and stupidity of his position given one person is dead and another in ICU is fvking unreal. Only a douchebag would trust anyone to hand them a firearm without checking everything even if his title is "armourer". I don't give a fvck if you call it a "set" or not. Gun Rules don't change no matter where you are or who you are.
Who's to say Baldwin would have a clue whether it was a blank, dummy or live round anyway?
<snip>
Then he shouldn't have the job. Actors get paid enough money to complete an 8 hour gun safety course and if they can memorize lines & follow instructions then they are intelligent enough to observe the technician loading their weapon before they fire it. No matter where I am or what I am doing, if I pull a trigger, I am responsible for the result. Period. 100% of all firearm accidents are preventable.
At the end of the day, Alec knows this also. He has handled firearms in 7 other movies so yes, he has a clue.

You really can’t be this dumb? :roll:
fudge off Douchebag. Your point was already made that a fvcking armourer is the god damn answer that just got someone killed. Go wax your carrot in the corner little boy.
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Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:42 am
Slim 293 wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:39 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:19 am
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:31 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:18 am
IThe Irony and stupidity of his position given one person is dead and another in ICU is fvking unreal. Only a douchebag would trust anyone to hand them a firearm without checking everything even if his title is "armourer". I don't give a fvck if you call it a "set" or not. Gun Rules don't change no matter where you are or who you are.
Who's to say Baldwin would have a clue whether it was a blank, dummy or live round anyway?
<snip>
Then he shouldn't have the job. Actors get paid enough money to complete an 8 hour gun safety course and if they can memorize lines & follow instructions then they are intelligent enough to observe the technician loading their weapon before they fire it. No matter where I am or what I am doing, if I pull a trigger, I am responsible for the result. Period. 100% of all firearm accidents are preventable.
At the end of the day, Alec knows this also. He has handled firearms in 7 other movies so yes, he has a clue.

You really can’t be this dumb? :roll:
fudge off Douchebag. Your point was already made that a fvcking armourer is the god damn answer that just got someone killed. Go wax your carrot in the corner little boy.
A simple “yes” would suffice…
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Slim 293 wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:39 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:19 am
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:31 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:18 am
IThe Irony and stupidity of his position given one person is dead and another in ICU is fvking unreal. Only a douchebag would trust anyone to hand them a firearm without checking everything even if his title is "armourer". I don't give a fvck if you call it a "set" or not. Gun Rules don't change no matter where you are or who you are.
Who's to say Baldwin would have a clue whether it was a blank, dummy or live round anyway?
<snip>
Then he shouldn't have the job. Actors get paid enough money to complete an 8 hour gun safety course and if they can memorize lines & follow instructions then they are intelligent enough to observe the technician loading their weapon before they fire it. No matter where I am or what I am doing, if I pull a trigger, I am responsible for the result. Period. 100% of all firearm accidents are preventable.
At the end of the day, Alec knows this also. He has handled firearms in 7 other movies so yes, he has a clue.

You really can’t be this dumb? :roll:
Clearly not to your level of stupidity yet, but you are setting quite the example
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Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:54 am
Slim 293 wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:39 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:19 am
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:31 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:18 am
IThe Irony and stupidity of his position given one person is dead and another in ICU is fvking unreal. Only a douchebag would trust anyone to hand them a firearm without checking everything even if his title is "armourer". I don't give a fvck if you call it a "set" or not. Gun Rules don't change no matter where you are or who you are.
Who's to say Baldwin would have a clue whether it was a blank, dummy or live round anyway?
<snip>
Then he shouldn't have the job. Actors get paid enough money to complete an 8 hour gun safety course and if they can memorize lines & follow instructions then they are intelligent enough to observe the technician loading their weapon before they fire it. No matter where I am or what I am doing, if I pull a trigger, I am responsible for the result. Period. 100% of all firearm accidents are preventable.
At the end of the day, Alec knows this also. He has handled firearms in 7 other movies so yes, he has a clue.

You really can’t be this dumb? :roll:
Clearly not to your level of stupidity yet, but you are setting quite the example
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It just amazes me that 20+ years after Brandon Lee’s death, they still haven’t developed a better solution than using live actual projectile weapons on a movie set. There’s no reason whatsoever to have a loaded lethal firearm on set around people.

All that said, I also don’t see what could have been so important to the movie/scene that he had to point the weapon at anyone.
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Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:18 am
AnkleTap wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:53 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:33 am
Slim 293 wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:27 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:54 am As an outdoor sportsman and avid hunter I am baffled when Alec blames someone for handing him a "hot Gun". I would never trust anyone to load any of my weapons or clear them. It only takes 60 seconds to load your clip and verify what you are about to fire at another person be it combat training or acting. For my own safety & liability purposes I would at least be present and observe the process if a safety tech is involved. Blame is an ugly word. I prefer asking myself, "What could I / should I have done" instead. Even if I fired a blank round, any obstruction in the barrel could blow my hand off or result in my own death. I can not fathom how these people are not trained in basic firearms safety.

"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity".

fudge me you’re an idiot…

For obvious reasons, an armourer, and not actors are responsible for firearm safety on a film set.
Obviouly....worked out well didn't it you ignorant tosser.
Amazing post from him considering the outcome :lol:
IThe Irony and stupidity of his position given one person is dead and another in ICU is fvking unreal. Only a douchebag would trust anyone to hand them a firearm without checking everything even if his title is "armourer". I don't give a fvck if you call it a "set" or not. Gun Rules don't change no matter where you are or who you are.
Yeah, give the firearms advice and prep job to a firearms professional, or to an actor ? Obviously it should be given to an actor. What a douchebag. :uhoh:
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Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:42 am
Slim 293 wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:39 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:19 am
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:31 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:18 am
IThe Irony and stupidity of his position given one person is dead and another in ICU is fvking unreal. Only a douchebag would trust anyone to hand them a firearm without checking everything even if his title is "armourer". I don't give a fvck if you call it a "set" or not. Gun Rules don't change no matter where you are or who you are.
Who's to say Baldwin would have a clue whether it was a blank, dummy or live round anyway?
<snip>
Then he shouldn't have the job. Actors get paid enough money to complete an 8 hour gun safety course and if they can memorize lines & follow instructions then they are intelligent enough to observe the technician loading their weapon before they fire it. No matter where I am or what I am doing, if I pull a trigger, I am responsible for the result. Period. 100% of all firearm accidents are preventable.
At the end of the day, Alec knows this also. He has handled firearms in 7 other movies so yes, he has a clue.

You really can’t be this dumb? :roll:
fudge off Douchebag. Your point was already made that a fvcking armourer is the god damn answer that just got someone killed. Go wax your carrot in the corner little boy.
OMG. No shit you're an "avid hunter".

The most troubling thing here is that you've been given permission to use a firearm. Christ almighty, the mind boggles.
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You can call me Bill wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:46 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:18 am
AnkleTap wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:53 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:33 am
Slim 293 wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:27 am


fudge me you’re an idiot…

For obvious reasons, an armourer, and not actors are responsible for firearm safety on a film set.
Obviouly....worked out well didn't it you ignorant tosser.
Amazing post from him considering the outcome :lol:
IThe Irony and stupidity of his position given one person is dead and another in ICU is fvking unreal. Only a douchebag would trust anyone to hand them a firearm without checking everything even if his title is "armourer". I don't give a fvck if you call it a "set" or not. Gun Rules don't change no matter where you are or who you are.
Yeah, give the firearms advice and prep job to a firearms professional, or to an actor ? Obviously it should be given to an actor. What a douchebag. :uhoh:
No point arguing with them, they don't care about the victim, this is just them playing out their culture wars because Baldwin makes fun of Trump on TV.
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Slim 293 wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:45 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:42 am
Slim 293 wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:39 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:19 am
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:31 am

Who's to say Baldwin would have a clue whether it was a blank, dummy or live round anyway?
<snip>
Then he shouldn't have the job. Actors get paid enough money to complete an 8 hour gun safety course and if they can memorize lines & follow instructions then they are intelligent enough to observe the technician loading their weapon before they fire it. No matter where I am or what I am doing, if I pull a trigger, I am responsible for the result. Period. 100% of all firearm accidents are preventable.
At the end of the day, Alec knows this also. He has handled firearms in 7 other movies so yes, he has a clue.

You really can’t be this dumb? :roll:
fudge off Douchebag. Your point was already made that a fvcking armourer is the god damn answer that just got someone killed. Go wax your carrot in the corner little boy.
A simple “yes” would suffice…
I think that was his way of saying, "I'm even dumber than that".
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You can call me Bill wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:46 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:18 am
AnkleTap wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:53 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:33 am
Slim 293 wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:27 am


fudge me you’re an idiot…

For obvious reasons, an armourer, and not actors are responsible for firearm safety on a film set.
Obviouly....worked out well didn't it you ignorant tosser.
Amazing post from him considering the outcome :lol:
IThe Irony and stupidity of his position given one person is dead and another in ICU is fvking unreal. Only a douchebag would trust anyone to hand them a firearm without checking everything even if his title is "armourer". I don't give a fvck if you call it a "set" or not. Gun Rules don't change no matter where you are or who you are.
Yeah, give the firearms advice and prep job to a firearms professional, or to an actor ? Obviously it should be given to an actor. What a douchebag. :uhoh:
An extra control can't hurt.

Armourer/prop lead should 100% be in charge, but its hardly ridiculous to suggest that an actor couldn't also check the chamber/clip. I certainly would in their shoes, particularly after this incident. I bet Baldwin does if he ever handles a gun on set again.

However, this is not Baldwin's fault.
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What are the rules for firearms on set?
The weapons master is required to be on set whenever a weapon is being used. The Actors' Equity Association's guidelines state that, "Before each use, make sure the gun has been test-fired offstage, and then ask to test fire it yourself. Watch the prop master check the cylinders and barrel to be sure no foreign object or dummy bullet has become lodged inside." Further, "All loading of firearms must be done by the property master, armourer or experienced persons working under their direct supervision."

"Nowadays, all weapons are checked before your blanks are put into the weapon.… The blanks themselves are never loaded until the very last minute, when all crew is in position, so the armourer knows exactly where every member of the crew is so that no one's walking through any danger areas the armourer has set up," said armoury co-ordinator Sam Dormer.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/p ... -1.6221637

Clearly a number of safety protocols weren't followed, including the quoted one. Gross negligence by Balwin, both as actor and as producer
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Zakar wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:17 am
You can call me Bill wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:46 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:18 am
AnkleTap wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:53 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:33 am

Obviouly....worked out well didn't it you ignorant tosser.
Amazing post from him considering the outcome :lol:
IThe Irony and stupidity of his position given one person is dead and another in ICU is fvking unreal. Only a douchebag would trust anyone to hand them a firearm without checking everything even if his title is "armourer". I don't give a fvck if you call it a "set" or not. Gun Rules don't change no matter where you are or who you are.
Yeah, give the firearms advice and prep job to a firearms professional, or to an actor ? Obviously it should be given to an actor. What a douchebag. :uhoh:
An extra control can't hurt.

Armourer/prop lead should 100% be in charge, but its hardly ridiculous to suggest that an actor couldn't also check the chamber/clip. I certainly would in their shoes, particularly after this incident. I bet Baldwin does if he ever handles a gun on set again.

However, this is not Baldwin's fault.
Arguably it'd be safer to have a single point of responsibility, with that individual being a professional. If a 2 person safeguard is needed, then I wouldn't pick an actor as the backup.
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You can call me Bill wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:44 am
Zakar wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:17 am
You can call me Bill wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:46 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:18 am
AnkleTap wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:53 am
Amazing post from him considering the outcome :lol:
IThe Irony and stupidity of his position given one person is dead and another in ICU is fvking unreal. Only a douchebag would trust anyone to hand them a firearm without checking everything even if his title is "armourer". I don't give a fvck if you call it a "set" or not. Gun Rules don't change no matter where you are or who you are.
Yeah, give the firearms advice and prep job to a firearms professional, or to an actor ? Obviously it should be given to an actor. What a douchebag. :uhoh:
An extra control can't hurt.

Armourer/prop lead should 100% be in charge, but its hardly ridiculous to suggest that an actor couldn't also check the chamber/clip. I certainly would in their shoes, particularly after this incident. I bet Baldwin does if he ever handles a gun on set again.

However, this is not Baldwin's fault.
Arguably it'd be safer to have a single point of responsibility, with that individual being a professional. If a 2 person safeguard is needed, then I wouldn't pick an actor as the backup.
Read the post above re the actors guild recommendations
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Zakar wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:47 am
You can call me Bill wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:44 am
Zakar wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:17 am
You can call me Bill wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:46 am
Skiaddict wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:18 am

IThe Irony and stupidity of his position given one person is dead and another in ICU is fvking unreal. Only a douchebag would trust anyone to hand them a firearm without checking everything even if his title is "armourer". I don't give a fvck if you call it a "set" or not. Gun Rules don't change no matter where you are or who you are.
Yeah, give the firearms advice and prep job to a firearms professional, or to an actor ? Obviously it should be given to an actor. What a douchebag. :uhoh:
An extra control can't hurt.

Armourer/prop lead should 100% be in charge, but its hardly ridiculous to suggest that an actor couldn't also check the chamber/clip. I certainly would in their shoes, particularly after this incident. I bet Baldwin does if he ever handles a gun on set again.

However, this is not Baldwin's fault.
Arguably it'd be safer to have a single point of responsibility, with that individual being a professional. If a 2 person safeguard is needed, then I wouldn't pick an actor as the backup.
Read the post above re the actors guild recommendations
It's interesting, but I understand their regulations apply to work in theatres rather than movie sets.

In any case, I was talking from a theoretical point of view, on the basis that the armourer might become shoddy if they knew that the actor was taking some responsibility themselves.
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Jensrsa wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:35 am
What are the rules for firearms on set?
The weapons master is required to be on set whenever a weapon is being used. The Actors' Equity Association's guidelines state that, "Before each use, make sure the gun has been test-fired offstage, and then ask to test fire it yourself. Watch the prop master check the cylinders and barrel to be sure no foreign object or dummy bullet has become lodged inside." Further, "All loading of firearms must be done by the property master, armourer or experienced persons working under their direct supervision."

"Nowadays, all weapons are checked before your blanks are put into the weapon.… The blanks themselves are never loaded until the very last minute, when all crew is in position, so the armourer knows exactly where every member of the crew is so that no one's walking through any danger areas the armourer has set up," said armoury co-ordinator Sam Dormer.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/p ... -1.6221637

Clearly a number of safety protocols weren't followed, including the quoted one. Gross negligence by Balwin, both as actor and as producer
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I am a producer. Producers are 100% responsible and accountable for safety on set. RUST producers replaced union crew with non-union crew day of incident. There’d been prior ‘misfires’ of ‘prop’ gun. From early reports looks like Producers created a unsafe negligent environment.

https://twitter.com/martinwalsh/status/ ... 4606559236
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I still don’t think you’re supposed to point a gun at people.
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DragsterDriver wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:03 am I still don’t think you’re supposed to point a gun at people.
I agree.

Baldwin not only did this, but may also have been the/a producer of the film.

He could be in big trouble.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:28 pm
towny wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:19 pm Now we’re on to talking about the real oppressed people of the world. Of course I’m talking about white, male, middle-class, heterosexual Englishmen.
We all the got the male bit.

I bet your wonderful post also applies to Australians
Go find some posts of white Australians claiming they’re being racially abused by other white people and you’ll have a chance.
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Floppykid wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:29 pm Why has this turned into a culture war Brexit thread?
This is thread is a microcosm of much of the interaction on this board. Someone posts something they don't agree with, wouldn't make themselves or because they posted something, it has to turn into a slagging match based off variously political positions they have argued in the past and trying "to win the argument" again. No matter how irrelevant.

Your post accidently does it to, no one mentioned Brexit as far as I'm aware that was about one of the only things not suddenly involve din this thread.....until your post.

We often slag off twitter on here, but much of the forum is essentially no different these days. Many people only enter topic or to posts just to "score wins" against people they see in only political colours. What people actually post is increasingly irrelevant, everything is based off conformation bias or attribution bias.
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As for the news, this must be horrible. I know Alec Baldwin is apparently a dick (a voice message to his daughter was put on Youtube and it's not nice apparently), but accidently killing anybody must be a horrific feeling, one you'll possibly never shake for the rest of your life. And of course the poor victim.
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UncleFB wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:26 pm
PornDog wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:08 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:44 pm
backrow wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:54 pm
feckwanker wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:47 pm

I'm not suggesting that for one second - the point I'm making is that people seem to say 'edgy' stuff when they're online and anonymous. I'm not so sure they'd be so vocal in their opinions in an open work/social environment.
This place is quite tame compared some work and social environments tbf, it’s a fallacy to think edgelords are just on the internet. I don’t know what his comment even refers to.
Kyle Rittenhouse is a 17 year old. He had a gun during a riot.

He shot some guys. Some of them, if not all, intended to harm him, possibly kill him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iryQSpxSlrg

Some people think he acted in self-defense, and that the people he shot were not innocent.

It is more than likely that the people Baldwin shot posed no threat to him.
And that situation relates to this tragedy.........how?

You're abusing this tragedy to shoehorn in your own f**ked up alt-right agenda bollox. At least have the minimal amount of decency to own that much.
Clearly there's not a thread or topic that Mick can't tank with his fvckwittery.
To be fair, Mick made/stole a joke about this. This is something that has always been ingrained and loved in the culture of PR. FFS does no one notice the 'gooooooonnnnneee' in threads about the sad news of someone dying?

It's weird people are suddenly acting, like edgy humour has no place here. It's always been part of the fabric here. Or rather than act like it ahs no place when it's from a poster they disagree with.
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Whatever happened to fifty shades of grey?

You're either with us or against us...

Is this the future of humanity?
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Grandpa wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:24 am Whatever happened to fifty shades of grey?

You're either with us or against us...

Is this the future of humanity?
It's not eve nas "you are with us or against us" it's more "I disagree so I'm always against you and will never accept you'll ever have a point and hound you forever while blaming everything on you"
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eldanielfire wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:26 am
Grandpa wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:24 am Whatever happened to fifty shades of grey?

You're either with us or against us...

Is this the future of humanity?
It's not eve nas "you are with us or against us" it's more "I disagree so I'm always against you and will never accept you'll ever have a point and hound you forever while blaming everything on you"
I despise much of what some posters write. That does not mean I take exception to everything they post.

IMO, it is an error to dismiss a poster in his or her entirety simply because I hold an opposing view on a handful of subjects.

I might be broadly politically aligned with Bimbo, but am in disagreement with his views on crypto. The opposite holds true for sorCrer, regarding covid, and crypto.

Similar goes for dozy. I consider China (CPP) to be a threat but am broadly sympathetic to his opinions on vaccines.
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eldanielfire wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:11 am As for the news, this must be horrible. I know Alec Baldwin is apparently a dick (a voice message to his daughter was put on Youtube and it's not nice apparently), but accidently killing anybody must be a horrific feeling, one you'll possibly never shake for the rest of your life. And of course the poor victim.
I sympathise with him but an accident is dropping the gun and it goes off, pointing at somebody and pulling the trigger is negligence.
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Mick and the other weirdos on this thread

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Provides background as to what happened...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_(upcoming_film)
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