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Finally, free to shit our own (river) beds

MPs have voted against an amendment to the Environment Bill that would have legally compelled water companies to reduce their discharge of raw sewage into rivers and seas.

The bill, intended to revamp the UK’s environmental regulations post Brexit, currently allows raw sewage to be discharged into the country’s waterways.

Data from the Environment Agency shows that raw sewage was dumped into British waters over than 400,000 times in 2020

Conservative MP, Royston Smith, who voted down the amendment since told The Southern Daily Echo: “No one wants sewage into our rivers but you can’t change a system where most of it is still Victorian overnight. You only have to look at what Southern Water has done in Woolston to see how things are moving.


Sadly even Backrow's dirty Municipal Swimming Baths will remain cleaner than the wild swimming alternative.
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Binary choice during flood events, shit in the hallway or shit in the Thames.
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shereblue wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:15 am Finally, free to shit our own (river) beds

MPs have voted against an amendment to the Environment Bill that would have legally compelled water companies to reduce their discharge of raw sewage into rivers and seas.

The bill, intended to revamp the UK’s environmental regulations post Brexit, currently allows raw sewage to be discharged into the country’s waterways.

Data from the Environment Agency shows that raw sewage was dumped into British waters over than 400,000 times in 2020

Conservative MP, Royston Smith, who voted down the amendment since told The Southern Daily Echo: “No one wants sewage into our rivers but you can’t change a system where most of it is still Victorian overnight. You only have to look at what Southern Water has done in Woolston to see how things are moving.


Sadly even Backrow's dirty Municipal Swimming Baths will remain cleaner than the wild swimming alternative.
Wild swimming? At the height of the heatwave, people were actively being told not to swim in 'fresh' water. It's disgusting.
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shereblue wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:05 am UK Government's light touch - Part I:

“[HGV driving] Tests will also be made shorter by removing the ‘reversing exercise’ element – and for vehicles with trailers, the ‘uncoupling and recoupling’ exercise – and having it tested separately by a third party."
Explains what happened in Bristol.

EDIT. Too late I see.
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shereblue wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:05 am UK Government's light touch - Part I:

“[HGV driving] Tests will also be made shorter by removing the ‘reversing exercise’ element – and for vehicles with trailers, the ‘uncoupling and recoupling’ exercise – and having it tested separately by a third party."
Can't see a problem there.
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DragsterDriver wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:38 am Binary choice during flood events, shit in the hallway or shit in the Thames.
Climate change says such events will become more common, and we're busy trying to water down (or sewage up) current norms. And we do in fairness have additional leeway to pollute our nation now, not that we didn't have any before, one need only look at Germany reverting to coal to see the EU is by no means a total solution on the environmental front

Still, if we take the pollution is good thinking into farming, transport, power generation things don't bode well

Also worth noting the current reporting standards being required of the water companies are as full of shit as the water companies would like our rivers to be.
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message #2527204 wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:55 am
shereblue wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:15 am Finally, free to shit our own (river) beds

MPs have voted against an amendment to the Environment Bill that would have legally compelled water companies to reduce their discharge of raw sewage into rivers and seas.

The bill, intended to revamp the UK’s environmental regulations post Brexit, currently allows raw sewage to be discharged into the country’s waterways.

Data from the Environment Agency shows that raw sewage was dumped into British waters over than 400,000 times in 2020

Conservative MP, Royston Smith, who voted down the amendment since told The Southern Daily Echo: “No one wants sewage into our rivers but you can’t change a system where most of it is still Victorian overnight. You only have to look at what Southern Water has done in Woolston to see how things are moving.


Sadly even Backrow's dirty Municipal Swimming Baths will remain cleaner than the wild swimming alternative.
Wild swimming? At the height of the heatwave, people were actively being told not to swim in 'fresh' water. It's disgusting.
Dividends worth £6.5 billion were paid out to shareholders in the past five years, with £1.4 billion paid out in 2017 alone.
  • Malaysian company YTL Corporation Berhad which owns all of Wessex Water
  • Cheung Kong Group, a multinational registered in the Cayman Islands run by family of Li Ka Shing (Hong Kong’s richest person). They own 80% of Northumbrian Water.
  • U.S. hedge funds Blackrock, Lazard and Vanguard each own a stake in Severn Trent, United Utilities and South West Water
  • Between Germany’s Deutsche Asset Management and US private equity company Corsair Capital own half of Yorkshire Water
  • A third of Thames Water is owned by investment fund companies from the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, China and Australia
  • Australia’s Colonial First State Global Asset Management owns a stake in Anglian Water, Severn Trent, United Utilities and South West Water
Surely a little bit of that could go to upgrading the infrastructure? Tory thcum.
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piquant wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:23 pm
DragsterDriver wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:38 am Binary choice during flood events, shit in the hallway or shit in the Thames.
Climate change says such events will become more common, and we're busy trying to water down (or sewage up) current norms. And we do in fairness have additional leeway to pollute our nation now, not that we didn't have any before, one need only look at Germany reverting to coal to see the EU is by no means a total solution on the environmental front

Still, if we take the pollution is good thinking into farming, transport, power generation things don't bode well

Also worth noting the current reporting standards being required of the water companies are as full of shit as the water companies would like our rivers to be.
You're over egging it a bit.
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piquant wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:23 pm
DragsterDriver wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:38 am Binary choice during flood events, shit in the hallway or shit in the Thames.
Climate change says such events will become more common, and we're busy trying to water down (or sewage up) current norms. And we do in fairness have additional leeway to pollute our nation now, not that we didn't have any before, one need only look at Germany reverting to coal to see the EU is by no means a total solution on the environmental front

Still, if we take the pollution is good thinking into farming, transport, power generation things don't bode well

Also worth noting the current reporting standards being required of the water companies are as full of shit as the water companies would like our rivers to be.

I didn’t realise the massive floods in Europe this year were brexits fault.
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piquant wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:23 pm
DragsterDriver wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:38 am Binary choice during flood events, shit in the hallway or shit in the Thames.
Climate change says such events will become more common, and we're busy trying to water down (or sewage up) current norms. And we do in fairness have additional leeway to pollute our nation now, not that we didn't have any before, one need only look at Germany reverting to coal to see the EU is by no means a total solution on the environmental front

Still, if we take the pollution is good thinking into farming, transport, power generation things don't bode well

Also worth noting the current reporting standards being required of the water companies are as full of shit as the water companies would like our rivers to be.
To overhaul our sewer systems is reputed to be a massive mind boggling task.
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DragsterDriver wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:01 pm
piquant wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:23 pm
DragsterDriver wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:38 am Binary choice during flood events, shit in the hallway or shit in the Thames.
Climate change says such events will become more common, and we're busy trying to water down (or sewage up) current norms. And we do in fairness have additional leeway to pollute our nation now, not that we didn't have any before, one need only look at Germany reverting to coal to see the EU is by no means a total solution on the environmental front

Still, if we take the pollution is good thinking into farming, transport, power generation things don't bode well

Also worth noting the current reporting standards being required of the water companies are as full of shit as the water companies would like our rivers to be.
To overhaul our sewer systems is reputed to be a massive mind boggling task.
Well it will never be done if we ship £6bn in profit abroad instead of forcing investment in infrastructure. UNfortunately, they'll just go for profits until the government pays for overhauling. It's a shit system.... :)
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Brexit Is Still a Hot Mess

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bimboman wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:57 pm
piquant wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:23 pm
DragsterDriver wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:38 am Binary choice during flood events, shit in the hallway or shit in the Thames.
Climate change says such events will become more common, and we're busy trying to water down (or sewage up) current norms. And we do in fairness have additional leeway to pollute our nation now, not that we didn't have any before, one need only look at Germany reverting to coal to see the EU is by no means a total solution on the environmental front

Still, if we take the pollution is good thinking into farming, transport, power generation things don't bode well

Also worth noting the current reporting standards being required of the water companies are as full of shit as the water companies would like our rivers to be.

I didn’t realise the massive floods in Europe this year were brexits fault.
That and Super Gonorrhoea :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/brex ... 98186.html
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The likely next French president has just said England is Frances’s “thousand year enemy”. Ignoring the fact we just liberated them from the Krauts twice! French going to French! :lol:
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terryfinch wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:30 pm The likely next French president has just said England is Frances’s “thousand year enemy”. Ignoring the fact we just liberated them from the Krauts twice! French going to French! :lol:
Probably true. They stole aquitaine leaving only england left for the king.
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terryfinch wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:30 pm The likely next French president has just said England is Frances’s “thousand year enemy”. Ignoring the fact we just liberated them from the Krauts twice! French going to French! :lol:
England and France actually relish their love hate relationship with each component varying in intensity over time. Do not underestimate the love and respect of many French for their Brit liberators and, by extension, the British.

Zemmour attracts the equivalent uninformed base to Nigel Farage. Read the link to understand the Brexity obsession with the destrction of the Euro.

Like many demagogues, Zemmour will take a nugget of truth and twist it to his own end. Confusing patriotism with nationalistic populism.

His outrageously disrespectful D Day jibe linked Anglo American liberation to colonisation. Mers El Kebir may have been one thing but the Amgot Plan struck at the very heart of French national sovereignty. With the ailing UK, as ever, eager to take up the bridesmaid's role whenever the US leans towards a neo colonial mindset.

https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/Flags/fr%5Eamgot.html
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mdaclarke wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:50 pm
bimboman wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:57 pm
piquant wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:23 pm
DragsterDriver wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:38 am Binary choice during flood events, shit in the hallway or shit in the Thames.
Climate change says such events will become more common, and we're busy trying to water down (or sewage up) current norms. And we do in fairness have additional leeway to pollute our nation now, not that we didn't have any before, one need only look at Germany reverting to coal to see the EU is by no means a total solution on the environmental front

Still, if we take the pollution is good thinking into farming, transport, power generation things don't bode well

Also worth noting the current reporting standards being required of the water companies are as full of shit as the water companies would like our rivers to be.

I didn’t realise the massive floods in Europe this year were brexits fault.
That and Super Gonorrhoea :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/brex ... 98186.html
The Tory party did have a choice back in 2015, it could have decided to spend billions of pounds and huge amounts of governmental and civil service time improving infrastructure including sewers. Or it could have spent billions of pounds on making the country poorer distracting in the process from infrastructure development.

The tory party can stipulate things were worse last year, but bar the Blair government it's always been a Tory government in my lifetime, so they've had 30 odd years to be getting into this, and they'd do well to find someone with an understanding of climate change who wouldn't have been telling them this would be a growing problem.

And now they have the problem they can sort the shit or dump the shit, and they're going for dumping being easier and cheaper, especially now they're able to lessen environmental standards more easily
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shereblue wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:34 am
terryfinch wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:30 pm The likely next French president has just said England is Frances’s “thousand year enemy”. Ignoring the fact we just liberated them from the Krauts twice! French going to French! :lol:
England and France actually relish their love hate relationship with each component varying in intensity over time. Do not underestimate the love and respect of many French for their Brit liberators and, by extension, the British.

Zemmour attracts the equivalent uninformed base to Nigel Farage. Read the link to understand the Brexity obsession with the destrction of the Euro.

Like many demagogues, Zemmour will take a nugget of truth and twist it to his own end. Confusing patriotism with nationalistic populism.

His outrageously disrespectful D Day jibe linked Anglo American liberation to colonisation. Mers El Kebir may have been one thing but the Amgot Plan struck at the very heart of French national sovereignty. With the ailing UK, as ever, eager to take up the bridesmaid's role whenever the US leans towards a neo colonial mindset.

https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/Flags/fr%5Eamgot.html
I just hope macrons replacement is a better person, relations could thaw over night.
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DragsterDriver wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:16 am
shereblue wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:34 am
terryfinch wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:30 pm The likely next French president has just said England is Frances’s “thousand year enemy”. Ignoring the fact we just liberated them from the Krauts twice! French going to French! :lol:
England and France actually relish their love hate relationship with each component varying in intensity over time. Do not underestimate the love and respect of many French for their Brit liberators and, by extension, the British.

Zemmour attracts the equivalent uninformed base to Nigel Farage. Read the link to understand the Brexity obsession with the destrction of the Euro.

Like many demagogues, Zemmour will take a nugget of truth and twist it to his own end. Confusing patriotism with nationalistic populism.

His outrageously disrespectful D Day jibe linked Anglo American liberation to colonisation. Mers El Kebir may have been one thing but the Amgot Plan struck at the very heart of French national sovereignty. With the ailing UK, as ever, eager to take up the bridesmaid's role whenever the US leans towards a neo colonial mindset.

https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/Flags/fr%5Eamgot.html
I just hope macrons replacement is a better person, relations could thaw over night.
It takes two to tango.

Can't see many votes in the Pas de Calais or the Cote d'Azur in making nice with de Pfeffel.
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piquant wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:41 am
mdaclarke wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:50 pm
bimboman wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:57 pm
piquant wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:23 pm
DragsterDriver wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:38 am Binary choice during flood events, shit in the hallway or shit in the Thames.
Climate change says such events will become more common, and we're busy trying to water down (or sewage up) current norms. And we do in fairness have additional leeway to pollute our nation now, not that we didn't have any before, one need only look at Germany reverting to coal to see the EU is by no means a total solution on the environmental front

Still, if we take the pollution is good thinking into farming, transport, power generation things don't bode well

Also worth noting the current reporting standards being required of the water companies are as full of shit as the water companies would like our rivers to be.

I didn’t realise the massive floods in Europe this year were brexits fault.
That and Super Gonorrhoea :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/brex ... 98186.html
The Tory party did have a choice back in 2015, it could have decided to spend billions of pounds and huge amounts of governmental and civil service time improving infrastructure including sewers. Or it could have spent billions of pounds on making the country poorer distracting in the process from infrastructure development.

The tory party can stipulate things were worse last year, but bar the Blair government it's always been a Tory government in my lifetime, so they've had 30 odd years to be getting into this, and they'd do well to find someone with an understanding of climate change who wouldn't have been telling them this would be a growing problem.

And now they have the problem they can sort the shit or dump the shit, and they're going for dumping being easier and cheaper, especially now they're able to lessen environmental standards more easily
Yet they keep getting elected. The reason why is that the Tories ask what do the Electorate want and move their policies to cater to them. Labour on the other hand is a party of clear principles and they cater their policies to what their activists want and then expect the electorate to move their values to cater to the Labour party.

Result: in your lifetime, bar the Blair years there has always been a Tory government.

The Electorate has always been a massive disappointment to the Labour party.

Same applies for Brexit. For some reason, implying that voters are racist and thick didn't make them want to change their vote.
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mdaclarke wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:44 am
piquant wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:41 am
mdaclarke wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:50 pm
bimboman wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:57 pm
piquant wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:23 pm

Climate change says such events will become more common, and we're busy trying to water down (or sewage up) current norms. And we do in fairness have additional leeway to pollute our nation now, not that we didn't have any before, one need only look at Germany reverting to coal to see the EU is by no means a total solution on the environmental front

Still, if we take the pollution is good thinking into farming, transport, power generation things don't bode well

Also worth noting the current reporting standards being required of the water companies are as full of shit as the water companies would like our rivers to be.

I didn’t realise the massive floods in Europe this year were brexits fault.
That and Super Gonorrhoea :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/brex ... 98186.html
The Tory party did have a choice back in 2015, it could have decided to spend billions of pounds and huge amounts of governmental and civil service time improving infrastructure including sewers. Or it could have spent billions of pounds on making the country poorer distracting in the process from infrastructure development.

The tory party can stipulate things were worse last year, but bar the Blair government it's always been a Tory government in my lifetime, so they've had 30 odd years to be getting into this, and they'd do well to find someone with an understanding of climate change who wouldn't have been telling them this would be a growing problem.

And now they have the problem they can sort the shit or dump the shit, and they're going for dumping being easier and cheaper, especially now they're able to lessen environmental standards more easily
Yet they keep getting elected. The reason why is that the Tories ask what do the Electorate want and move their policies to cater to them. Labour on the other hand is a party of clear principles and they cater their policies to what their activists want and then expect the electorate to move their values to cater to the Labour party.

Result: in your lifetime, bar the Blair years there has always been a Tory government.

The Electorate has always been a massive disappointment to the Labour party.

Same applies for Brexit. For some reason, implying that voters are racist and thick didn't make them want to change their vote.
What a pile of shit, you do realise that loads on the Left actively campaigned against the EU superstate.
Stick to reactionary Nationalist Party SA politics.
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mdaclarke wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:44 am


Same applies for Brexit. For some reason, implying that voters are racist and thick didn't make them want to change their vote.
Only one politician seemed to know how to harness that vote effectively and it wasn't even Nigel Farrage.
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Aye wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:23 pm
lilyw wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:39 pm
Aye wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:10 pm Yes it is.

https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/20 ... ve-updates
Revenge of the slave traders!
“ The former abattoir worker come HGV driver was uninjured but "shaken up" as a result of the incident.”
Not sure of your point - mine was a (weak) joke about Edward Colston fighting back.
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Remainers: Brexit will lead to weakening environmental standards

Brexiteers: That's project fear!

"Do not swim at these 14 Devon beaches after sewage discharged"

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https://twitter.com/ukiswitheu/status/1 ... 21987?s=20
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Maybe I am missing something, but I see this as a benefit of Brexit. Less lorries clogging up our roads and polluting our air.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59028141
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The people of Holyhead knew what they were voting for.

They're not racist and they're not stupid.
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mdaclarke wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:44 am
piquant wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:41 am
mdaclarke wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:50 pm
bimboman wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:57 pm
piquant wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:23 pm

Climate change says such events will become more common, and we're busy trying to water down (or sewage up) current norms. And we do in fairness have additional leeway to pollute our nation now, not that we didn't have any before, one need only look at Germany reverting to coal to see the EU is by no means a total solution on the environmental front

Still, if we take the pollution is good thinking into farming, transport, power generation things don't bode well

Also worth noting the current reporting standards being required of the water companies are as full of shit as the water companies would like our rivers to be.

I didn’t realise the massive floods in Europe this year were brexits fault.
That and Super Gonorrhoea :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/brex ... 98186.html
The Tory party did have a choice back in 2015, it could have decided to spend billions of pounds and huge amounts of governmental and civil service time improving infrastructure including sewers. Or it could have spent billions of pounds on making the country poorer distracting in the process from infrastructure development.

The tory party can stipulate things were worse last year, but bar the Blair government it's always been a Tory government in my lifetime, so they've had 30 odd years to be getting into this, and they'd do well to find someone with an understanding of climate change who wouldn't have been telling them this would be a growing problem.

And now they have the problem they can sort the shit or dump the shit, and they're going for dumping being easier and cheaper, especially now they're able to lessen environmental standards more easily
Yet they keep getting elected. The reason why is that the Tories ask what do the Electorate want and move their policies to cater to them. Labour on the other hand is a party of clear principles and they cater their policies to what their activists want and then expect the electorate to move their values to cater to the Labour party.

Result: in your lifetime, bar the Blair years there has always been a Tory government.

The Electorate has always been a massive disappointment to the Labour party.

Same applies for Brexit. For some reason, implying that voters are racist and thick didn't make them want to change their vote.
Do what enough of electorate want in a rather skewed FPP system, which is rather different to the electorate. And whilst I wouldn't lobby people with the notion they're thick and racist I'm not fussed calling them thick and racist when I'm only trying to take the piss. Labour are also a disappointment, that is true, but that's for them and their voters, and is a poor deflection for those who have held the actual power for so long.
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Rocketz wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:46 pm Remainers: Brexit will lead to weakening environmental standards

Brexiteers: That's project fear!

"Do not swim at these 14 Devon beaches after sewage discharged"

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https://twitter.com/ukiswitheu/status/1 ... 21987?s=20
Point of order: the practice of discharging raw sewage into rivers or coastal waters in still quite commonplace in many EU countries.
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mdaclarke wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:23 pm Maybe I am missing something, but I see this as a benefit of Brexit. Less lorries clogging up our roads and polluting our air.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59028141
From a green viewpoint certainly.
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iarmhiman wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:00 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:23 pm Maybe I am missing something, but I see this as a benefit of Brexit. Less lorries clogging up our roads and polluting our air.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59028141
From a green viewpoint certainly.
And an empty shelves one as well.
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piquant wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:41 am
mdaclarke wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:50 pm
bimboman wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:57 pm
piquant wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:23 pm
DragsterDriver wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:38 am Binary choice during flood events, shit in the hallway or shit in the Thames.
Climate change says such events will become more common, and we're busy trying to water down (or sewage up) current norms. And we do in fairness have additional leeway to pollute our nation now, not that we didn't have any before, one need only look at Germany reverting to coal to see the EU is by no means a total solution on the environmental front

Still, if we take the pollution is good thinking into farming, transport, power generation things don't bode well

Also worth noting the current reporting standards being required of the water companies are as full of shit as the water companies would like our rivers to be.

I didn’t realise the massive floods in Europe this year were brexits fault.
That and Super Gonorrhoea :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/brex ... 98186.html
The Tory party did have a choice back in 2015, it could have decided to spend billions of pounds and huge amounts of governmental and civil service time improving infrastructure including sewers. Or it could have spent billions of pounds on making the country poorer distracting in the process from infrastructure development.

The tory party can stipulate things were worse last year, but bar the Blair government it's always been a Tory government in my lifetime, so they've had 30 odd years to be getting into this, and they'd do well to find someone with an understanding of climate change who wouldn't have been telling them this would be a growing problem.

And now they have the problem they can sort the shit or dump the shit, and they're going for dumping being easier and cheaper, especially now they're able to lessen environmental standards more easily
Um, Gordon brown ? Labour were in for 13 years, could they have invested in sewers et al then ? Or was that not enough time to stop blaming tories ?
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camroc1 wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:04 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:00 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:23 pm Maybe I am missing something, but I see this as a benefit of Brexit. Less lorries clogging up our roads and polluting our air.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59028141
From a green viewpoint certainly.
And an empty shelves one as well.
Must be a Waitrose thing. Haven't seen any shortages in my local Asda, Tesco, Morrisons or Co-op.
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mdaclarke wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:27 pm
camroc1 wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:04 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:00 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:23 pm Maybe I am missing something, but I see this as a benefit of Brexit. Less lorries clogging up our roads and polluting our air.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59028141
From a green viewpoint certainly.
And an empty shelves one as well.
Must be a Waitrose thing. Haven't seen any shortages in my local Asda, Tesco, Morrisons or Co-op.
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backrow wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:21 pm
piquant wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:41 am
mdaclarke wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:50 pm
bimboman wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:57 pm
piquant wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:23 pm

Climate change says such events will become more common, and we're busy trying to water down (or sewage up) current norms. And we do in fairness have additional leeway to pollute our nation now, not that we didn't have any before, one need only look at Germany reverting to coal to see the EU is by no means a total solution on the environmental front

Still, if we take the pollution is good thinking into farming, transport, power generation things don't bode well

Also worth noting the current reporting standards being required of the water companies are as full of shit as the water companies would like our rivers to be.

I didn’t realise the massive floods in Europe this year were brexits fault.
That and Super Gonorrhoea :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/brex ... 98186.html
The Tory party did have a choice back in 2015, it could have decided to spend billions of pounds and huge amounts of governmental and civil service time improving infrastructure including sewers. Or it could have spent billions of pounds on making the country poorer distracting in the process from infrastructure development.

The tory party can stipulate things were worse last year, but bar the Blair government it's always been a Tory government in my lifetime, so they've had 30 odd years to be getting into this, and they'd do well to find someone with an understanding of climate change who wouldn't have been telling them this would be a growing problem.

And now they have the problem they can sort the shit or dump the shit, and they're going for dumping being easier and cheaper, especially now they're able to lessen environmental standards more easily
Um, Gordon brown ? Labour were in for 13 years, could they have invested in sewers et al then ? Or was that not enough time to stop blaming tories ?
Labour did invest well in the NHS, but that's about it. Also not being a Labour fan/voter, and that their 13 years is less than a third or my life, doesn't have me think so much about them as being culpable. I'm happy though to go with the idea they're both shit, and both need huge improvements to raise themselves to a basic level of adequacy
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shereblue wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:34 am
DragsterDriver wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:16 am
shereblue wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:34 am
terryfinch wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:30 pm The likely next French president has just said England is Frances’s “thousand year enemy”. Ignoring the fact we just liberated them from the Krauts twice! French going to French! :lol:
England and France actually relish their love hate relationship with each component varying in intensity over time. Do not underestimate the love and respect of many French for their Brit liberators and, by extension, the British.

Zemmour attracts the equivalent uninformed base to Nigel Farage. Read the link to understand the Brexity obsession with the destrction of the Euro.

Like many demagogues, Zemmour will take a nugget of truth and twist it to his own end. Confusing patriotism with nationalistic populism.

His outrageously disrespectful D Day jibe linked Anglo American liberation to colonisation. Mers El Kebir may have been one thing but the Amgot Plan struck at the very heart of French national sovereignty. With the ailing UK, as ever, eager to take up the bridesmaid's role whenever the US leans towards a neo colonial mindset.

https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/Flags/fr%5Eamgot.html
I just hope macrons replacement is a better person, relations could thaw over night.
It takes two to tango.

Can't see many votes in the Pas de Calais or the Cote d'Azur in making nice with de Pfeffel.
The french usually hate their own goverment more than anyone else's
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Brexit: Welsh ports increasingly bypassed by Irish ferries

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-59028141
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DragsterDriver wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:38 am Binary choice during flood events, shit in the hallway or shit in the Thames.
Or force the water companies to invest in their infrastructure (something they are meant to be doing) to minimise the need to do this. But no, allow them to take the profits out and not invest so they can pump shit into rivers.
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earl the beaver wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:01 am
DragsterDriver wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:38 am Binary choice during flood events, shit in the hallway or shit in the Thames.
Or force the water companies to invest in their infrastructure (something they are meant to be doing) to minimise the need to do this. But no, allow them to take the profits out and not invest so they can pump shit into rivers.
Thats not how capitalism works
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earl the beaver wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:01 am
DragsterDriver wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:38 am Binary choice during flood events, shit in the hallway or shit in the Thames.
Or force the water companies to invest in their infrastructure (something they are meant to be doing) to minimise the need to do this. But no, allow them to take the profits out and not invest so they can pump shit into rivers.
Having a quick look over the Lords amendment, the bill itself seems to address the reduction of overflows. The disagreement was in setting targets and fines.
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