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Bogbunny wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:05 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:53 pm
Jensrsa wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:41 pm
My point is that it's what anyone who handle a firearm should do as a matter of course. Go and look at any basic firearms safety course or rules, actors aren't exempt from these rules. And once your industry provides these guidelines they become even more entrenched

But Baldwin is a white, rich, famous male. He'll probably get away with it in gun crazy USA
You are calling the actors union safety tips industry guidelines. Maybe they are but you don't know that so you are just making shit up. Don't get me wrong I believe it sounds reasonable that the actor should have the knowledge to check the rounds and should do so. I've just not seen anything that compels them to do so. It's bullshit to say that he will walk just because he is white and rich.
Any industry tips, guidelines, SOPs, RAMS, regs, legislation will all be weighed against you if you fudge up. You will have to account for why you ignored/ didn't abide by them. Not a great starting point in your defence TBH.
It does not matter if they are tips. If they are not legally required and actors don't generally follow them how is it going t count against you ?
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:24 pm
Bogbunny wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:05 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:53 pm
Jensrsa wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:41 pm
My point is that it's what anyone who handle a firearm should do as a matter of course. Go and look at any basic firearms safety course or rules, actors aren't exempt from these rules. And once your industry provides these guidelines they become even more entrenched

But Baldwin is a white, rich, famous male. He'll probably get away with it in gun crazy USA
You are calling the actors union safety tips industry guidelines. Maybe they are but you don't know that so you are just making shit up. Don't get me wrong I believe it sounds reasonable that the actor should have the knowledge to check the rounds and should do so. I've just not seen anything that compels them to do so. It's bullshit to say that he will walk just because he is white and rich.
Any industry tips, guidelines, SOPs, RAMS, regs, legislation will all be weighed against you if you fudge up. You will have to account for why you ignored/ didn't abide by them. Not a great starting point in your defence TBH.
It does not matter if they are tips. If they are not legally required and actors don't generally follow them how is it going t count against you ?
Industry best practice ? The question will surely be asked why weren't you following it.
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:24 pm
Bogbunny wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:05 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:53 pm
Jensrsa wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:41 pm
My point is that it's what anyone who handle a firearm should do as a matter of course. Go and look at any basic firearms safety course or rules, actors aren't exempt from these rules. And once your industry provides these guidelines they become even more entrenched

But Baldwin is a white, rich, famous male. He'll probably get away with it in gun crazy USA
You are calling the actors union safety tips industry guidelines. Maybe they are but you don't know that so you are just making shit up. Don't get me wrong I believe it sounds reasonable that the actor should have the knowledge to check the rounds and should do so. I've just not seen anything that compels them to do so. It's bullshit to say that he will walk just because he is white and rich.
Any industry tips, guidelines, SOPs, RAMS, regs, legislation will all be weighed against you if you fudge up. You will have to account for why you ignored/ didn't abide by them. Not a great starting point in your defence TBH.
It does not matter if they are tips. If they are not legally required and actors don't generally follow them how is it going t count against you ?
Look you're right, these "tips" are based on common sense and the guidelines put out by various gun groups in the US. But with the gun laws varying from lax to non-existent in the various states of the US Baldwin will probably get away with killing Hutchins and the studio will get a minor fine
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As most sensible people have already said Baldwin is probably in more trouble as a producer than as the actor directly involved, although how much responsibility can be spread across other producers, presuming there's more than one, remains to be seen.

The checking the gun thing seems to be coming down the lines of people familiar with guns and those that aren't. I'm not and would take the advice from a professional that is. I can't fathom a situation where you have, essentially, a box marked 'this gun can't kill', and you end up picking up a gun that not only has gunpowder but also a bullet. I would take the word of the armourer in that regard and yes you could check yourself, absolutely, but how many people regularly take the word of a professional without checking themselves? So it's back to the work practices of the production and who's at fault there.

But again, live bullet in a prop gun? Wtf?
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Bogbunny wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:48 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:24 pm
Bogbunny wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:05 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:53 pm
Jensrsa wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:41 pm
My point is that it's what anyone who handle a firearm should do as a matter of course. Go and look at any basic firearms safety course or rules, actors aren't exempt from these rules. And once your industry provides these guidelines they become even more entrenched

But Baldwin is a white, rich, famous male. He'll probably get away with it in gun crazy USA
You are calling the actors union safety tips industry guidelines. Maybe they are but you don't know that so you are just making shit up. Don't get me wrong I believe it sounds reasonable that the actor should have the knowledge to check the rounds and should do so. I've just not seen anything that compels them to do so. It's bullshit to say that he will walk just because he is white and rich.
Any industry tips, guidelines, SOPs, RAMS, regs, legislation will all be weighed against you if you fudge up. You will have to account for why you ignored/ didn't abide by them. Not a great starting point in your defence TBH.
It does not matter if they are tips. If they are not legally required and actors don't generally follow them how is it going t count against you ?
Industry best practice ? The question will surely be asked why weren't you following it.
Again you do not know if the actor was legally required to check the gun or if it's the norm for actors to do so. That being the case you are just making shit up
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eldanielfire wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:16 am
UncleFB wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:26 pm
PornDog wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:08 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:44 pm
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This place is quite tame compared some work and social environments tbf, it’s a fallacy to think edgelords are just on the internet. I don’t know what his comment even refers to.
Kyle Rittenhouse is a 17 year old. He had a gun during a riot.

He shot some guys. Some of them, if not all, intended to harm him, possibly kill him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iryQSpxSlrg

Some people think he acted in self-defense, and that the people he shot were not innocent.

It is more than likely that the people Baldwin shot posed no threat to him.
And that situation relates to this tragedy.........how?

You're abusing this tragedy to shoehorn in your own f**ked up alt-right agenda bollox. At least have the minimal amount of decency to own that much.
Clearly there's not a thread or topic that Mick can't tank with his fvckwittery.
To be fair, Mick made/stole a joke about this. This is something that has always been ingrained and loved in the culture of PR. FFS does no one notice the 'gooooooonnnnneee' in threads about the sad news of someone dying?

It's weird people are suddenly acting, like edgy humour has no place here. It's always been part of the fabric here. Or rather than act like it ahs no place when it's from a poster they disagree with.
There's lots of the normal joking on the first four pages of this thread, that's not what Mick has been doing, it's not edgy humour, he was just culture warring.

Defend his freeze peach if you want to, but he adds nothing of substance to these threads, and I'm going to exercise my freeze peach as I did in the post you quoted.
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment ... d=msedgntp


Looks like the producers may have been negligent in continuing, but on the basis that the armourer was at best totally incompetent, and at worst a psychotic murderer.

And another one:

https://nypost.com/2021/10/23/rust-armo ... ild-actor/


"The “inexperienced” armorer in charge of weapons on set of Alec Baldwin’s movie “Rust” had given a gun to an 11-year-old actress without checking properly for safety, a report said."

...

Gutierrez-Reed’s alleged misstep happened on the set of the upcoming Nicholas Cage film, “The Old Way” and temporarily halted filming, sources told The Daily Beast.

“She was reloading the gun on the ground, where there were pebbles and stuff,” one source told the outlet. “We didn’t see her check it, we didn’t know if something got in the barrel or not.”

Gutierrez-Reed reportedly handed the gun to child actress Ryan Kiera Armstrong, forcing concerned crew members to intervene, the report said. The gun was then checked for barrel obstruction, according to the sources.

“She was a bit careless with the guns, waving it around every now and again,” a source said.

...

Two other “Rust” production sources questioned if Assistant Director Dave Halls followed proper procedure before the tragic incident.

“He’s supposed to be our last line of defense and he failed us,” one source told The Daily Beast. “He’s the last person that’s supposed to look at that firearm.”

Halls was named in the affidavit calling out “cold gun,” indicating its safety before giving the weapon to Baldwin.

Another source confirmed that it should be the assistant director’s job to test each gun for being “hot” — loaded with live rounds, or “cold” — loaded with blank rounds.

“This check alone should’ve prevented this incident,” the person told The Daily Beast.
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Hard to believe this went south.
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Punter15 wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:31 pm This place has just taken several steps closer to the cesspool that is Twitter.
This
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fonzeee wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:31 am Image


Hard to believe this went south.
Am pretty surprised that more posters don't seem to regard this as a potentially significant development tbh.
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They found their villain, I see.
No two ways about it, she's going to be the fall gal
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Cartman wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:35 am They found their villain, I see.
No two ways about it, she's going to be the fall gal
:lol: :lol:
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UncleFB wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:07 am
There's lots of the normal joking on the first four pages of this thread, that's not what Mick has been doing, it's not edgy humour, he was just culture warring.
It was edgy humour. Regardless of what direction his biases come form. And shouting "Culture war" against anything you disagree with is doing exactly that yourself.
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She looks like.one of those hippie kids from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
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Cartman wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:35 am They found their villain, I see.
No two ways about it, she's going to be the fall gal
TBF it's not about her. She was clearly farked from the moment it happened. Being the armourer whatever else went wrong she was for the high jump unless someone loaded the gun with live ammo after she checked it. This has always been about who else is going down.
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:28 pm
Cartman wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:35 am They found their villain, I see.
No two ways about it, she's going to be the fall gal
TBF it's not about her. She was clearly farked from the moment it happened. Being the armourer whatever else went wrong she was for the high jump unless someone loaded the gun with live ammo after she checked it. This has always been about who else is going down.
I much agree here. Add in she was a novice at the job and one paper has stated concerns was raising about her on her prior film.
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Jensrsa wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:57 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:48 pm
Jensrsa wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:30 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:10 pm It is to an actor. Which is why they employ specialist gun safety experts.
I'm sorry but a woman died because of Baldwin's negligence, both as producer and as actor. He should spend time in prison for manslaughter at least (Is it called manslaughter in the US?)

If a woman can be sent to prison for 4 years for manslaughter after a miscarriage because she used drugs, Baldwin at least deserves the same for killing someone through negligence
Oh, it's a gender thing. Baldwin's a guy, and the person in charge of weapons safety's a woman. Sorry, I hadn't realised.
No. Baldwin is a person who killed someone through negligence

But he'll probably get off because he's rich and famous
Or because he wasn't negligent. At least not as an actor - his role on the film as a producer might come in to play if there were repeated safety violations.

But to put the blame on him would be like blaming someone for a crash if they rent a car and the brakes fail. Someone else is responsible for making sure that the rental car is safe to drive, and if they fail in their job then they are liable - not the driver.
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You can call me Bill wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:41 am https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment ... d=msedgntp


Looks like the producers may have been negligent in continuing, but on the basis that the armourer was at best totally incompetent, and at worst a psychotic murderer.

And another one:

https://nypost.com/2021/10/23/rust-armo ... ild-actor/


"The “inexperienced” armorer in charge of weapons on set of Alec Baldwin’s movie “Rust” had given a gun to an 11-year-old actress without checking properly for safety, a report said."

...

Gutierrez-Reed’s alleged misstep happened on the set of the upcoming Nicholas Cage film, “The Old Way” and temporarily halted filming, sources told The Daily Beast.

“She was reloading the gun on the ground, where there were pebbles and stuff,” one source told the outlet. “We didn’t see her check it, we didn’t know if something got in the barrel or not.”

Gutierrez-Reed reportedly handed the gun to child actress Ryan Kiera Armstrong, forcing concerned crew members to intervene, the report said. The gun was then checked for barrel obstruction, according to the sources.

“She was a bit careless with the guns, waving it around every now and again,” a source said.

...

Two other “Rust” production sources questioned if Assistant Director Dave Halls followed proper procedure before the tragic incident.

“He’s supposed to be our last line of defense and he failed us,” one source told The Daily Beast. “He’s the last person that’s supposed to look at that firearm.”

Halls was named in the affidavit calling out “cold gun,” indicating its safety before giving the weapon to Baldwin.

Another source confirmed that it should be the assistant director’s job to test each gun for being “hot” — loaded with live rounds, or “cold” — loaded with blank rounds.

“This check alone should’ve prevented this incident,” the person told The Daily Beast.
Like most catastrophic failures it appears that this took an unlikely sequence of unfortunate mistakes - the original armourer walking off, the stand in armourer who loaded the weapon, the assistant director who didn’t properly check it , and Baldwin who didn’t check it and then pointed it at people - they are all culpable really but Baldwin being rich will probably get off with it
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Duff Paddy wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:31 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:41 am https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment ... d=msedgntp


Looks like the producers may have been negligent in continuing, but on the basis that the armourer was at best totally incompetent, and at worst a psychotic murderer.

And another one:

https://nypost.com/2021/10/23/rust-armo ... ild-actor/


"The “inexperienced” armorer in charge of weapons on set of Alec Baldwin’s movie “Rust” had given a gun to an 11-year-old actress without checking properly for safety, a report said."

...

Gutierrez-Reed’s alleged misstep happened on the set of the upcoming Nicholas Cage film, “The Old Way” and temporarily halted filming, sources told The Daily Beast.

“She was reloading the gun on the ground, where there were pebbles and stuff,” one source told the outlet. “We didn’t see her check it, we didn’t know if something got in the barrel or not.”

Gutierrez-Reed reportedly handed the gun to child actress Ryan Kiera Armstrong, forcing concerned crew members to intervene, the report said. The gun was then checked for barrel obstruction, according to the sources.

“She was a bit careless with the guns, waving it around every now and again,” a source said.

...

Two other “Rust” production sources questioned if Assistant Director Dave Halls followed proper procedure before the tragic incident.

“He’s supposed to be our last line of defense and he failed us,” one source told The Daily Beast. “He’s the last person that’s supposed to look at that firearm.”

Halls was named in the affidavit calling out “cold gun,” indicating its safety before giving the weapon to Baldwin.

Another source confirmed that it should be the assistant director’s job to test each gun for being “hot” — loaded with live rounds, or “cold” — loaded with blank rounds.

“This check alone should’ve prevented this incident,” the person told The Daily Beast.
Like most catastrophic failures it appears that this took an unlikely sequence of unfortunate mistakes - the original armourer walking off, the stand in armourer who loaded the weapon, the assistant director who didn’t properly check it , and Baldwin who didn’t check it and then pointed it at people - they are all culpable really but Baldwin being rich will probably get off with it
The pyscho looking girl (who gave a gun to an 11 year old without checking it first on her previous movie) was the original armourer as I understand it. I've seen no reference to a replacement armourer ?
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You can call me Bill wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:38 pm
The pyscho looking girl (who gave a gun to an 11 year old without checking it first on her previous movie) was the original armourer as I understand it. I've seen no reference to a replacement armourer ?
The reality is she had worked preciously as the armourer on a big production before this one. As far as I know this claim about the 11 year old girl is from two unnamed sources who came forward with the information. Information which you seem to be repeating as fact so maybe it has been verified.
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:55 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:38 pm
The pyscho looking girl (who gave a gun to an 11 year old without checking it first on her previous movie) was the original armourer as I understand it. I've seen no reference to a replacement armourer ?
The reality is she had worked preciously as the armourer on a big production before this one. As far as I know this claim about the 11 year old girl is from two unnamed sources who came forward with the information. Information which you seem to be repeating as fact so maybe it has been verified.
There is nothing that I've read that makes me think the armourer is a "psycho" or "psychotic murderer" if what I have read is true she has been promoted too soon and this is the end result.
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mdaclarke wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:58 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:55 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:38 pm
The pyscho looking girl (who gave a gun to an 11 year old without checking it first on her previous movie) was the original armourer as I understand it. I've seen no reference to a replacement armourer ?
The reality is she had worked preciously as the armourer on a big production before this one. As far as I know this claim about the 11 year old girl is from two unnamed sources who came forward with the information. Information which you seem to be repeating as fact so maybe it has been verified.
There is nothing that I've read that makes me think the armourer is a "psycho" or "psychotic murderer" if what I have read is true she has been promoted too soon and this is the end result.
"Promoted too soon" ? She had to check if a gun had a bullet in it or not, not make a peace deal with the Russians.
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:55 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:38 pm
The pyscho looking girl (who gave a gun to an 11 year old without checking it first on her previous movie) was the original armourer as I understand it. I've seen no reference to a replacement armourer ?
The reality is she had worked preciously as the armourer on a big production before this one. As far as I know this claim about the 11 year old girl is from two unnamed sources who came forward with the information. Information which you seem to be repeating as fact so maybe it has been verified.
Yeah, they could have prepped the 11 year old to lie on the witness stand already. Forward planning. I like it.
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If guilt will be determined by being "psycho-looking", Baldwin is a cert for conviction.
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Has it been ascertained whether it was a direct shot or ricochet that killed the poor woman?
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You can call me Bill wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:19 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:55 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:38 pm
The pyscho looking girl (who gave a gun to an 11 year old without checking it first on her previous movie) was the original armourer as I understand it. I've seen no reference to a replacement armourer ?
The reality is she had worked preciously as the armourer on a big production before this one. As far as I know this claim about the 11 year old girl is from two unnamed sources who came forward with the information. Information which you seem to be repeating as fact so maybe it has been verified.
Yeah, they could have prepped the 11 year old to lie on the witness stand already. Forward planning. I like it.
We are talking as yet unnamed people telling a story to a media company (I would not bet they were not paid for their story). I just thought you taking it as fact their story must have been confirmed
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Bogbunny wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:36 pm Has it been ascertained whether it was a direct shot or ricochet that killed the poor woman?
At least one account that I read (maybe the wiki article on the incident) said it was “an accidental discharge while unholstering,” which while it would involve some weird contortionism on Baldwin’s part, depending on where the victims were standing at the time, sounds not impossible.
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:44 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:19 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:55 pm
You can call me Bill wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:38 pm
The pyscho looking girl (who gave a gun to an 11 year old without checking it first on her previous movie) was the original armourer as I understand it. I've seen no reference to a replacement armourer ?
The reality is she had worked preciously as the armourer on a big production before this one. As far as I know this claim about the 11 year old girl is from two unnamed sources who came forward with the information. Information which you seem to be repeating as fact so maybe it has been verified.
Yeah, they could have prepped the 11 year old to lie on the witness stand already. Forward planning. I like it.
We are talking as yet unnamed people telling a story to a media company (I would not bet they were not paid for their story). I just thought you taking it as fact their story must have been confirmed
Fair point. It was republished in the NY Post though, and I reckon they'd be a bit more diligent about it than I am.
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For what it's worth, the deceased's father has been quoted as saying that blame lies with "the props people".
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Mick Mannock wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:20 pm If guilt will be determined by being "psycho-looking", Baldwin is a cert for conviction.
Flounce bet?
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feckwanker wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:05 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:20 pm If guilt will be determined by being "psycho-looking", Baldwin is a cert for conviction.
Flounce bet?
State the terms, and I will consider.

BTW, I did not state that Baldwin will be convicted.
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You can call me Bill wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:50 am
fonzeee wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:31 am Image


Hard to believe this went south.
Am pretty surprised that more posters don't seem to regard this as a potentially significant development tbh.
Nice to see the Misogynists are out to play
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Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:41 am
You can call me Bill wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:50 am
fonzeee wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:31 am Image


Hard to believe this went south.
Am pretty surprised that more posters don't seem to regard this as a potentially significant development tbh.
Nice to see the Misogynists are out to play
To me it's not a gender issue that marks that person out as not looking like an ideal candidate for the role of person in charge of keeping the guns safe.

But irrespective, the facts are appearing to suggest that she was as bad at her job as any one person can get.

It wouldn't be huge surprise if it was precisely fear of accusation of sexismand mysoginy etc that kept her in her job long enough for someone to hold her responsible for the death of their child.
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You can call me Bill wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:52 am
Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:41 am
You can call me Bill wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:50 am
fonzeee wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:31 am Image


Hard to believe this went south.
Am pretty surprised that more posters don't seem to regard this as a potentially significant development tbh.
Nice to see the Misogynists are out to play
To me it's not a gender issue that marks that person out as not looking like an ideal candidate for the role of person in charge of keeping the guns safe.

But irrespective, the facts are appearing to suggest that she was as bad at her job as any one person can get.

It wouldn't be huge surprise if it was precisely fear of accusation of sexismand mysoginy etc that kept her in her job long enough for someone to hold her responsible for the death of their child.
Or it was a low budget production that got inexperienced and/or low budget staff? Seems the most likely scenario.
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You can call me Bill wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:52 am
To me it's not a gender issue that marks that person out as not looking like an ideal candidate for the role of person in charge of keeping the guns safe.

But irrespective, the facts are appearing to suggest that she was as bad at her job as any one person can get.

It wouldn't be huge surprise if it was precisely fear of accusation of sexismand mysoginy etc that kept her in her job long enough for someone to hold her responsible for the death of their child.
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Someone who works in the entertainment industry posing with a gun?

FFS - I've got friends who are licensed Firearms instructors who will stand like this.

The fact you immediately label her as "Pyscho" is more telling of you than the situation - which is all hearsay at present anyway

Give yourself an uppercut
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Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:41 am
You can call me Bill wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:50 am
fonzeee wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:31 am Image


Hard to believe this went south.
Am pretty surprised that more posters don't seem to regard this as a potentially significant development tbh.
Nice to see the Misogynists are out to play
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Do you realize not everyone goes around thinking in these terms all day?
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fonzeee wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:01 am
Do you realize not everyone goes around thinking in these terms all day?
That'll be the problem - lack of thinking :nod:
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Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:01 am
You can call me Bill wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:52 am
To me it's not a gender issue that marks that person out as not looking like an ideal candidate for the role of person in charge of keeping the guns safe.

But irrespective, the facts are appearing to suggest that she was as bad at her job as any one person can get.

It wouldn't be huge surprise if it was precisely fear of accusation of sexismand mysoginy etc that kept her in her job long enough for someone to hold her responsible for the death of their child.
Someone who works in the entertainment industry posing with a gun?

FFS - I've got friends who are licensed Firearms instructors who will stand like this.

The fact you immediately label her as "Pyscho" is more telling of you than the situation - which is all hearsay at present anyway

Give yourself an uppercut
She's got the face of a stone cold killer.

She's reported to have given a gun to an 11 year old child to use without checking it. She stored live bullets together with blanks and allowed colleagues to use prop guns for live target practise. And she was in charge of the safety of a gun that was given to an actor with a bullet in it.

Her gender won't be getting her off this.
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You can call me Bill wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:12 am
Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:01 am
You can call me Bill wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:52 am
To me it's not a gender issue that marks that person out as not looking like an ideal candidate for the role of person in charge of keeping the guns safe.

But irrespective, the facts are appearing to suggest that she was as bad at her job as any one person can get.

It wouldn't be huge surprise if it was precisely fear of accusation of sexismand mysoginy etc that kept her in her job long enough for someone to hold her responsible for the death of their child.
Someone who works in the entertainment industry posing with a gun?

FFS - I've got friends who are licensed Firearms instructors who will stand like this.

The fact you immediately label her as "Pyscho" is more telling of you than the situation - which is all hearsay at present anyway

Give yourself an uppercut
She's got the face of a stone cold killer.

She's reported to have given a gun to an 11 year old child to use without checking it. She stored live bullets together with blanks and allowed colleagues to use prop guns for live target practise. And she was in charge of the safety of a gun that was given to an actor with a bullet in it.

Her gender won't be getting her off this.
You're a fuckwit :nod:
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