Skiaddict wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:04 pmSimple. Only two facts create manslaughter. 1. Was it dangerous? (Pointing guns with any type of a charge ie blank, rubber bullet etc) answer is yes. 2. Did someone die. Yes. Intent is no issue whatsover in a case of manslaughter. All the mitigating factors being discussed here are to be decided in court. Negiligence and contributory parties is decided at trial. Politics comes in to play at every level. For you to say #1 is false disregards the primary piece of evidence, a dead body.msp. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:15 pmHow is it manslaughter when an actor pointing a gun at a camera and pulling a trigger is standard practice, and they were rehearsing that scene. (and from the amount of camera shots with the gun pointed at the camera it is)Skiaddict wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:48 pmDepends on the Grand Jury....but for them to issue a No Bill or True Bill, it has to be given to them first, then they decide if there will be charges. In a county that voted 76% one way, well, do the math. The normal procedure is for the DA to submit to the GJ. However, only the DA submits evidence, nothing from defense, and the DA chooses what to present.Anonymous 1 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:28 pmSo most people seem to think that it's unlikely an actor would be charged with manslaughter in this situation. You are predicting if he is not charged with manslaughter as the shooter then it's down to politics. If he is charged as the shooter and gets off then it's down to politics. If the sun comes up tomorrow then it's down t politics
By statute he has committed manslaughter...thats not even debatable. If it goes to trial, there is enough mitigating factors to allow the jury to nullify and give him the pass, or just give him some kind of probation. So he "Walks". Manslaughter means it was dangerous (yes) and someone died (yes). Low burden of proof. Manslaughter is not Murder, not by a long shot. In reference to your question above, If the DA does not follow normal procedure and allow the GJ to decide then there is your answer. As far as was there manslaughter?, res ipsa loquitor. She is dead.
The question becomes how for a rehearsal the gun was loaded (obviously safety protocols not followed), and was his responsibility for checking the gun was not loaded.
It come to something in America if an "accident" on set become a right vs left debate.
1. Governors have influence over funding to DA offices.
2. DA's can decide to trade a True Bill for a plea or cooperation vs another person.
3. DA's can simply refuse to send the case to the GJ. (Not normal in wrongful death)
4. A favorable jury from a favaroable area can nullify law.
5. Everything in America is now a right vs left debate.
6. Even LEO participate. (See FBI firings and abuses with FISA warrants and the Russia Hoax.
7. Money and Power determines your outcome in court. Court is not about Truth and Justice.
8. My Attorney explained #8 to me. That is an entirely different discussion.
9. At the top of the food chain, only a handful of executives decide where film Dollars are spent.
10. The competition for these dollars is extremely fierce.
11. Media Control is important regarding any controversial case. DA's have to run for election again.
12. The Family of the poor girl who was killed does not have the power or money.
13. Consider the case of OJ Simpson who walked having committed Murder One. Politics matter.
14. Your questions regarding who loaded etc are valid and should be addressed at court or in the instance of pleading down a true bill for cooperative testimony against said contributory parties.
15. Hollywood has made this a right and left debate by spending 99.7% of their dollars on the left.
Had they realized that half of their target market votes the other way, their theaters would not be in the economic state they are in now. Your opinions, while they may have merit, are still evidentuary issues and are often leveraged in plea negotions.
But the family have said that they don't blame Baldwin, they blame the props department ?