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Seems that the Australians have teamed up with OPEC and been lobbying hard to remove fossil fuel reductions from the COP26 report.
One senior Australian government official rejects the conclusion that closing coal-fired power plants is necessary, even though ending the use of coal is one of the stated objectives the COP26 conference.

Document leak reveals nations lobbying to change key climate report
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Meanwhile, the idiots from extinction rebellion intend to glue themselves to things in Glasgow. Attempting to sabotage a conference called to further their own declared aims on climate change reduction.
Nothing on the table in the run up to COP26 resembles a compassionate and functional response to the crisis, so why should we place any faith in the summit itself?
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I'd have expected it from the Saudi and even this Aussie government but likes of Japan and the Swiss etc. We're totally screwed, aren't we??
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hermie wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:53 am I'd have expected it from the Saudi and even this Aussie government but likes of Japan and the Swiss etc. We're totally screwed, aren't we??
At least there are very few now who are openly denying that something needs to be done and done quickly. They just want it done somewhere else.
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Need to make a call….can’t keep the whole colonial mindset and regime change mindset while demanding all other nations to stop developing. It’s a simple choice if they want the world to work together ….and it seems like it is a pill that they simply just can’t face swallowing
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Dozy wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:53 am Need to make a call….can’t keep the whole colonial mindset and regime change mindset while demanding all other nations to stop developing. It’s a simple choice if they want the world to work together ….and it seems like it is a pill that they simply just can’t face swallowing
Don't think they're 'demanding' anything. The developed nations fvcked everything up by developing and getting rich, and they'll have to pay to fix it. It's not as if they haven't known about it for 40 years or so.
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hermie wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:53 am I'd have expected it from the Saudi and even this Aussie government but likes of Japan and the Swiss etc. We're totally screwed, aren't we??

Yep, they’ll only be building 5 and not 10 new Maldives Airports.
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China and Russia arent even bothering to turn up
If India decides not to go they may as well cancel the whole thing
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Winnie wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 6:19 pm China and Russia arent even bothering to turn up
If India decides not to go they may as well cancel the whole thing

And cancel all those taxes? Not a chance.
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The world is full of selfish NIMBYs and they elect their governments accordingly.

Nothing will be allowed to change the status quo and their grandkids will curse them endlessly.
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Enzedder wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:09 pm The world is full of selfish NIMBYs and they elect their governments accordingly.

Nothing will be allowed to change the status quo and their grandkids will curse them endlessly.

All those selfish billions in poor parts of the world looking for improvement of their lot, can’t they consider grandad privileges conscience?
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Funding deforestation

Global banks have extended a total of $119bn of financing to 20 major agribusinesses linked to deforestation over the past five years, according to Global Witness campaign group. Deutsche Bank, US and Chinese banks were among the biggest funders.
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Agree with every word of this, especially the bits in bold

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... rites.html

DAN HODGES: Save the planet, Boris Johnson... by axeing a farcical summit for the world's worst hypocrites

The Cabinet Minister was laughing.

They decided that everyone who attends COP26 had to be driven around by an electric car.

But so many people are coming they've realised they haven't enough charging points.

So they've been scrambling to find diesel generators to help boost the capacity.'

A second Cabinet Minister was struggling to find the funny side.

I'm sick of it. Every time I do a speech, they try to slide some more COP nonsense into it.

Something about telling people to do less washing-up, or eat less meat. It's ridiculous.'

A third Cabinet Minister was simply resigned: 'COP's turning into a circus. No 10 are trying to get a grip but it's spiralling out of control.

They're saying to foreign governments, 'Can you keep the size of your delegations to a minimum?' And they'll be told, 'OK, we'll keep it down to 1,500 people.' '

The UN Climate Change Conference, which opens in Glasgow on Sunday, is supposed to be the event that saves the planet.

But ask anyone in government and they'll tell you the truth.

It's a farce. It's degenerating into chaos. And to many, the best thing for the environment would be if Boris Johnson, right, just bit the bullet and scrapped it.

The whole purpose of COP26 was meant to promote global environmental sustainability.

Instead, it is being turned into a catwalk for the green showboating of the global elite.

Or, in the case of Japan, showplaneing. Last week it emerged that a specially configured Boeing 777 had been flown 6,000 miles (without passengers) solely to see whether the pilots would prefer to use Prestwick or Edinburgh airports when the official Japanese delegation arrives.

It's also been announced that when the runway of choice has been chosen, special measures will be put in place to ensure arriving dignitaries can be whisked speedily to their destinations.

Unfortunately, COP26 has become so bloated that nearby roads will become gridlocked, so leaders will be ferried to their hotels along the Clyde Expressway, which has been turned into a VIP lane.

I understand the COP26 PR team, conscious of the questionable 'optics' developing around this orgy of pro-environmentalism, had hoped for some events to show global leaders utilising public transport.

But the opportunities are shrinking.

The Unite union, with a commendable eye to the main chance, has announced that more than 1,300 bus workers will use the conference to go on strike over pay.

If you think all this unfolding chaos is shaping up to be bad news for the planet, then spare a thought for the real victims: COP26's corporate sponsors.

Veteran tree-huggers NatWest, Microsoft and Jaguar are among companies which have reportedly written to the Government condemning 'mismanagement' by the 'very inexperienced civil servants' organising the event.

But, painful though it is to see the opportunity for some greenwashed product-placement disappearing in a cloud of jet and motorcade fumes, what were those sponsors expecting?

Who in their right mind would hold a such a vital summit in the midst of a deadly pandemic?

As one Minister told me: 'People think COP is going to last three weeks. But it's been going on for over a year. And we've been trying to deal with something else quite big during that period.'

Covid's shadow over COP26 was always going to be too long and dark. Vladimir Putin, who has been forced to announce a workplace shutdown across Russia to try to get on top of a surge in cases, isn't attending.

Neither, it appears, will President Xi of China.

Last week, China's economic recovery was thrown into reverse as the economic Covid aftershocks continue to reverberate.

And Joe Biden has had to tear up his original COP26 strategy as he struggles to manage America's surge in virus cases and force his own 'Build Back Better' budget through the Senate.

Meanwhile, there are disturbing signs here that Boris is about to fall heavily between two Covid and COP26 stools.

Rishi Sunak is tearing his hair out trying to work out how to align the Prime Minister's multi-billion-pound net-zero commitment with his need to tackle the £2.2 trillion Covid debt mountain.

At the same time, Ministers are expressing concern that as Boris's notoriously fickle attention has drifted towards Glasgow, there has been insufficient focus at No 10 on the vaccine booster rollout.

The argument within government is that the climate crisis cannot wait. Having been put back once by Covid, COP26 had to go ahead to refocus attention on another, potentially even more apocalyptic, global emergency.

But the opposite is going to happen. Rather than emphasise their stewardship of the environment, world leaders are again going to reveal just how detached they are.

Pressing ahead with COP26 while the globe is still struggling to contain Covid is the equivalent of forcing someone back into a burning building to carry on removing the asbestos.

Yes, the threat from global warming represents a real and present danger. But this morning, Covid and its economic impact are a more imperative one.

In order to tackle environmental challenges, people are going to be asked to make significant sacrifices.

And that will involve politicians – and the burgeoning green lobby and their sponsors – taking public opinion with them.

But instead of showing families that they have a plan for saving their planet, our leaders again seem intent on giving the impression they reside on an entirely different one.

COP26 is about to replace Davos as the event that most gratuitously frames the arrogance, hypocrisy and entitlement of the global ruling class.

Their gigantic jets will descend upon Prestwick.

And they will alight and tell us how we each need to reduce our global environmental footprint.

Their motorcades will speed along their exclusive expressway.

And they will get out, then inform us we have to do our bit by walking our kids to school. They will assemble for their plush banquet.

And after dessert and coffee, they'll retire to put the finishing touches to speeches that lecture us about eating sustainably.

Worst of all, they think no one will notice their green doublespeak.

That this grotesque 'do as I say, not as I do' grandstanding will pass everyone by amid a kaleidoscope of polar bears, Greta Thunberg and homilies about our grandchildren.

Which might actually be the optimum outcome.

The best that the organisers of COP26 can hope for now is that as many people as possible ignore them.

That those concerned about where the next booster jab is coming from, or how they will cope with soaring fuel prices, will blink and miss this UN imitation of The Fyre Festival.

Because if they don't, those same people aren't going to be happy.

As I've written before, a dangerous disconnect is opening up.

Between those who believe that everyone has bought into their liberal, environmental consensus and those who want a recognition that we live in a complex world of competing priorities, not all of which revolve around the level of carbon emissions in 2050.

Anyone doubting this should have a word with the Insulate Britain protester who recently ended up tied by irate motorists to a railing with his own banner.


It's very late in the day. But the best way of saving COP26 – and the planet – is to cancel it.
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mdaclarke wrote: Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:20 pm Agree with every word of this, especially the bits in bold

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... rites.html
Errm, ... it's the Daily Mail.

So, each country's bigwigs are riding in cars and planes.

Meh. They do that every week.
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This argument is not completely without merit.

If the goal is carbon reduction, of course a concious effort should be made to reduce non-essential travel.

However, it's bullshit to say "we shouldn't have this summit because leaders will fly there and drive cars"

It should be viewed as an investment. Spend some CO2 now to save a shitload in the future.
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Zakar wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:56 am This argument is not completely without merit.

If the goal is carbon reduction, of course a concious effort should be made to reduce non-essential travel.

However, it's bullshit to say "we shouldn't have this summit because leaders will fly there and drive cars"

It should be viewed as an investment. Spend some CO2 now to save a shitload in the future.

“Leader” ...

25,000 plus attending.
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Winnie wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 6:19 pm China and Russia arent even bothering to turn up
If India decides not to go they may as well cancel the whole thing
Didn't the world learn at Copenhagen that climate agreements without China are not worth anything?
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Flyin Ryan wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:55 pm
Winnie wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 6:19 pm China and Russia arent even bothering to turn up
If India decides not to go they may as well cancel the whole thing
Didn't the world learn at Copenhagen that climate agreements without China are not worth anything?
Stop posturing and stirring up geopolitical shit and engagement might improve.

Russia, China, soon India and the Middle East along with much of Africa will just ignore the west on everything unless they are treated as partners in any plans and not subordinates.

All doomed to failure until our leaders become realistic about the whole situation and where we stand in it
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bimboman wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:50 pm
Zakar wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:56 am This argument is not completely without merit.

If the goal is carbon reduction, of course a concious effort should be made to reduce non-essential travel.

However, it's bullshit to say "we shouldn't have this summit because leaders will fly there and drive cars"

It should be viewed as an investment. Spend some CO2 now to save a shitload in the future.

“Leader” ...

25,000 plus attending.
If the goal is carbon reduction, of course a concious effort should be made to reduce non-essential travel
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Flyin Ryan wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:55 pm
Winnie wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 6:19 pm China and Russia arent even bothering to turn up
If India decides not to go they may as well cancel the whole thing
Didn't the world learn at Copenhagen that climate agreements without China are not worth anything?
Of course they're worth something.
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These climate targets can't be used to stunt growth in former colonial outposts in Africa etc. The good people of these regions have been held back long enough. They have every right for electricity and services with all the increases in HDI, Life expectancy etc.. that comes with it. Targets where developed nations say they will cut by 50% by 2050 while Ethiopia must also cut a substantial percentage too is utter bollocks.

Yes and per capita is very very relevant and needs pulled out every time someone starts taking shit.
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Dozy wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:36 pm These climate targets can't be used to stunt growth in former colonial outposts in Africa etc. The good people of these regions have been held back long enough. They have every right for electricity and services with all the increases in HDI, Life expectancy etc.. that comes with it. Targets where developed nations say they will cut by 50% by 2050 while Ethiopia must also cut a substantial percentage too is utter bollocks.

Yes and per capita is very very relevant and needs pulled out every time someone starts taking shit.
I totally agree with you in this instance. Which is why we need to make renewable energy (and renewable fuels) the cheapest form of generation.
Thankfully solar and wind mixed with storage already achieves this. And with the investment in green hydrogen that shouldnt be far off either.
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The UK announced tax breaks for domestic flights.

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COP 26 Looks like being a disaster for Scotland.
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bimboman wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:50 pm
Zakar wrote: Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:56 am This argument is not completely without merit.

If the goal is carbon reduction, of course a concious effort should be made to reduce non-essential travel.

However, it's bullshit to say "we shouldn't have this summit because leaders will fly there and drive cars"

It should be viewed as an investment. Spend some CO2 now to save a shitload in the future.

“Leader” ...

25,000 plus attending.
I'm with Bimbo on this.

Numbers attending is a joke.

Head of State/Prime Minister/Environment people/A few officials per country.
200 odd countries on Planet. 20 per country and tell the NGO's to feck off.
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Call this for what it is, this a smear campaign by the oil companies/countries. They'd destroy the planet to make money. They don't give a fvck.
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