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This November Rugby Canada will bring their version of pain to the rugby super powers:
Canada’s Men’s 15s Fall Fixture Schedule

Nov. 6, 2021 @ Portugal - 10:00am ET/7:00am PT - CAR Rugby Do Jamor, Lisbon
Nov. 13, 2021 @ Belgium - TBA - Stade Nelson Mandela, Brussels
Canada has released their squad:
Canada Men’s 15s Fall Fixture Roster

Kyle Baillie - Summerside, PEI - NOLA Gold
Ross Braude - Pretoria, SA - Toronto Arrows
Foster Dewitt - Courtney, BC - Pacific Pride
Mason Flesch - Cobourg, ON - Toronto Arrows
Jason Higgins - Cork, IRE - Toronto Arrows
Eric Howard - Ottawa, ON - NOLA Gold
Jake Ilnicki - Williams Lake, BC - Unattached
Spencer Jones - Cambridge, NZ - Toronto Arrows
Cole Keith - Sussex, NB - Toronto Arrows
Josh Larsen - Parksville, BC - New England Freejacks
Conor Keys - Stittsville, ON - Rugby ATL
Lachlan Kratz - Victoria, BC - NOLA Gold
Ben LeSage - Calgary, AB - Toronto Arrows
Kainoa Lloyd - Mississauga, ONT - James Bay AA
Peter Nelson - Dungannon, UK - Stade Aurillacois Cantal Auvergne
Quinn Ngawati - Victoria, BC - RUNY
Isaac Olson - Victoria, BC - Canada Men’s 7s
Matthew Oworu - Calgary, AB - Canada Men’s 7s
Rob Povey – Long Buckby, UK - Houston SaberCats
Andrew Quattrin - Holland Landing, ON - Toronto Arrows
David Richard - Milton, ON - Canada Men’s 7s
Tyler Rowland - Mississauga, ON – Toronto Arrows
Lucas Rumball - Markham, ON - Toronto Arrows
Djustice Sears-Duru - Oakville, ON - Unattached
Michael Smith - White Rock, BC - San Diego Legion
Corey Thomas - Perth, Western AUS - LA Giltinis
Siaki Vikilani - Burnaby, BC - Toronto Arrows
Brock Webster - Uxbridge, ON - Canada Men’s 7s


Injured or Unavailable For Selection

Patrick Parfrey - St. John’s, NL - Toronto Arrows/Swilers RFC
Matt Heaton - Godmanchester, QC - Rugby ATL
Tyler Ardron - Peterbourough, ON - Castres Olympique
Matt Tierney – Oakville, ON – Castres Olympique
Tyler Duguid - Edmonton, AB – Montpellier Rugby
Will Percillier - Victoria, BC - Stade Français
Donald Carson - Delta, BC – UBC Thunderbirds
Evan Olmstead - North Vancouver, BC - Biarritz Olympique
Cooper Coates - Halifax, NS - Halifax Tars
Cole Davis - Calgary, AB - Austin Gilgronis
https://rugby.ca/en/news/2021/10/rugby- ... l-fixtures
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So, it appears John Thiel is not a Kingsley fan.
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All the players have figured out his limitations and excuses. I feel sorry for the youth selected on this trip - The talent we have is being wasted away playing a extremely stupid game plan . Hard watching players of calibre get worse under his tutelage

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CanNZ2000 wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:35 pm This November Rugby Canada will bring their version of pain to the rugby super powers:
Canada’s Men’s 15s Fall Fixture Schedule

Nov. 6, 2021 @ Portugal - 10:00am ET/7:00am PT - CAR Rugby Do Jamor, Lisbon
Nov. 13, 2021 @ Belgium - TBA - Stade Nelson Mandela, Brussels
Canada has released their squad:
Canada Men’s 15s Fall Fixture Roster

Kyle Baillie - Summerside, PEI - NOLA Gold
Ross Braude - Pretoria, SA - Toronto Arrows
Foster Dewitt - Courtney, BC - Pacific Pride
Mason Flesch - Cobourg, ON - Toronto Arrows
Jason Higgins - Cork, IRE - Toronto Arrows
Eric Howard - Ottawa, ON - NOLA Gold
Jake Ilnicki - Williams Lake, BC - Unattached
Spencer Jones - Cambridge, NZ - Toronto Arrows
Cole Keith - Sussex, NB - Toronto Arrows
Josh Larsen - Parksville, BC - New England Freejacks
Conor Keys - Stittsville, ON - Rugby ATL
Lachlan Kratz - Victoria, BC - NOLA Gold
Ben LeSage - Calgary, AB - Toronto Arrows
Kainoa Lloyd - Mississauga, ONT - James Bay AA
Peter Nelson - Dungannon, UK - Stade Aurillacois Cantal Auvergne
Quinn Ngawati - Victoria, BC - RUNY
Isaac Olson - Victoria, BC - Canada Men’s 7s
Matthew Oworu - Calgary, AB - Canada Men’s 7s
Rob Povey – Long Buckby, UK - Houston SaberCats
Andrew Quattrin - Holland Landing, ON - Toronto Arrows
David Richard - Milton, ON - Canada Men’s 7s
Tyler Rowland - Mississauga, ON – Toronto Arrows
Lucas Rumball - Markham, ON - Toronto Arrows
Djustice Sears-Duru - Oakville, ON - Unattached
Michael Smith - White Rock, BC - San Diego Legion
Corey Thomas - Perth, Western AUS - LA Giltinis
Siaki Vikilani - Burnaby, BC - Toronto Arrows
Brock Webster - Uxbridge, ON - Canada Men’s 7s


Injured or Unavailable For Selection

Patrick Parfrey - St. John’s, NL - Toronto Arrows/Swilers RFC
Matt Heaton - Godmanchester, QC - Rugby ATL
Tyler Ardron - Peterbourough, ON - Castres Olympique
Matt Tierney – Oakville, ON – Castres Olympique
Tyler Duguid - Edmonton, AB – Montpellier Rugby
Will Percillier - Victoria, BC - Stade Français
Donald Carson - Delta, BC – UBC Thunderbirds
Evan Olmstead - North Vancouver, BC - Biarritz Olympique
Cooper Coates - Halifax, NS - Halifax Tars
Cole Davis - Calgary, AB - Austin Gilgronis
https://rugby.ca/en/news/2021/10/rugby- ... l-fixtures
Will Canada win either game?
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Should be Belgium, but will probably lose to Portugal. Again, almost none of our best players are playing. This is squad full of players that can stomach Jones' B.C.

Posted in another thread, but will repost here too:

Canadian fans, if you want to increase your blood pressure watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXhqgx3hjPc

To sum up Jones: "it is not my fault."
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They'll beat Belgium

Sidenote but "Stade Nelson Mandela"...in Brussels?
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fonzeee wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:41 pm They'll beat Belgium

Sidenote but "Stade Nelson Mandela"...in Brussels?
Yeah, noticed that. I was 'huh?'
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CanNZ2000 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:43 pm
fonzeee wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:41 pm They'll beat Belgium

Sidenote but "Stade Nelson Mandela"...in Brussels?
Yeah, noticed that. I was 'huh?'
In their defense I guess no Belgian has ever done anything of note.

Well, with one notable exception, of course.


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fonzeee wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:16 pm
CanNZ2000 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:43 pm
fonzeee wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:41 pm They'll beat Belgium

Sidenote but "Stade Nelson Mandela"...in Brussels?
Yeah, noticed that. I was 'huh?'
In their defense I guess no Belgian has ever done anything of note.

Well, with one notable exception, of course.


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Don't think there are any Belgians on here to troll, tbh.
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CanNZ2000 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:17 pm
fonzeee wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:16 pm
CanNZ2000 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:43 pm
fonzeee wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:41 pm They'll beat Belgium

Sidenote but "Stade Nelson Mandela"...in Brussels?
Yeah, noticed that. I was 'huh?'
In their defense I guess no Belgian has ever done anything of note.

Well, with one notable exception, of course.


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Don't think there are any Belgians on here to troll, tbh.
I really wasn't trolling, just stating a fact. Before that post I actually googled "famous Belgians" thinking I'd missed someone, and apart from some painters only an art major would have heard of, some lycra-wearing twat that rode bikes around all day, and the odd priest, that country has contributed literally nothing. It was actually sad.

But JCVD is awesome so for that alone I will make their destruction swift and painless when I'm emperor.
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fonzeee wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:24 pm
CanNZ2000 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:17 pm
fonzeee wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:16 pm
CanNZ2000 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:43 pm
fonzeee wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:41 pm They'll beat Belgium

Sidenote but "Stade Nelson Mandela"...in Brussels?
Yeah, noticed that. I was 'huh?'
In their defense I guess no Belgian has ever done anything of note.

Well, with one notable exception, of course.
Don't think there are any Belgians on here to troll, tbh.
I really wasn't trolling, just stating a fact. Before that post I actually googled "famous Belgians" thinking I'd missed someone, and apart from some painters only an art major would have heard of, some lycra-wearing twat that rode bikes around all day, and the odd priest, that country has contributed literally nothing.

But JCVD is awesome so for that alone I will make their destruction swift and painless when I'm emperor.
Well, whoever created Stella Artois, Hoegarden and Belgium chocolate all deserve to have stadiums named after them.
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With the exception of Larsen, it is essentially the club that lost to Chile. No?

I said a couple of weeks ago to fire Jones. He is not only the head coach, but RC also hired him as our Director of Rugby.
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canuckles wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:54 pm With the exception of Larsen, it is essentially the club that lost to Chile. No?

I said a couple of weeks ago to fire Jones. He is not only the head coach, but RC also hired him as our Director of Rugby.
Not just he should be fire, a few others as well. RC clearly has its head in the sand and just waiting for this to blow over. Something that is VERY TELLING, is that Canada not qualifying for the WC is bigger news outside of Canada.

Owaru is new too, he is a promissing 8. Olsen is another but think that is about it.
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This is what BC Rugby News wrote about the squad, honestly, it is hard to argue with any of it.
If anyone thought there would be decisive action taken after Rugby Canada failed to qualify for the World Cup, think again. Rugby Canada is operating as normal, some might say in a state of denial. We'll cover this in more detail later in the week, including the video by Kingsley Jones where he basically says, "I plan on being here for the next four years".

Whether he lasts the next four years, the next two years, or this year is another question but for now let's look at the selections for these tests.

The first question to ask is, "who will be our next flyhalf", such an important role to fill. Some have already pointed out, where is Will Kelly? He's not on the roster or on the list of those injured or unavailable. No offence to Peter Nelson, but the 29 year old is not the future for Canada at the #10 position. He's got a nice boot but in terms of game management and execution, defence, running threat, it's not there. Chile's #10, Rodrigo Fernandez, who was the standout player for them, was with the Chile 7s program from 2017-2020. Who is Canada's next #10, isn't now the time to start searching? Will Kelly, Brock Webster, Brennig Prevost, Cooper Coats, Thomas Isherwood, Pat Kay, Will Percillier, Grady Bowd, a lot of potential there. Shane O'Leary was Canada U20's #10 when they came second in the JWRT. Rob Povey, Brock Webster and Spencer Jones have all played #10 at the club level, maybe they'll get a shot this tour. That's one of the knocks against Kingsley Jones, he's stuck in his ways when it comes to selection, it will be Peter Nelson, even after it's too late.

Canada need to start searching for the tight five who will get them to the next level. There's no one new in the selections.

Who is new? Matthew Oworu, he's been playing #8 for the Pride. David Richards from the 7s program has been playing wing with the Pride. Isaac Olson has been playing wing with the Pride.

Then you have the European pros, who seem reluctant to play for Canada under the current leadership, Ardron, Olmstead, Duguid, Percillier. Can you blame them, work on a pro career, or play for a national program that has treated its former stars with disdain.

The young players Kratz and Ngawati were brought along as spectators for the qualifiers, hopefully they'll get starting roles on this tour.

It's difficult to get excited about the tour after the major disappointment of the World Cup Qualifiers, it's also difficult to see Rugby Canada have taken no steps to correct the leadership issues. The players no doubt will want to finish the year off on a high. Belgium should be an emphatic win for Canada, ranked lower (28) than Canada (23), they're not even in the European World Cup qualifying tournament that includes Georgia, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Spain, Netherlands. Portugal should be a close match, Portugal are neck and neck with Romania to qualify as Europe 2, they defeated Russia 49-26 in July of this year.
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CanNZ2000 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:56 pm
canuckles wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:54 pm With the exception of Larsen, it is essentially the club that lost to Chile. No?

I said a couple of weeks ago to fire Jones. He is not only the head coach, but RC also hired him as our Director of Rugby.
Not just he should be fire, a few others as well. RC clearly has its head in the sand and just waiting for this to blow over. Something that is VERY TELLING, is that Canada not qualifying for the WC is bigger news outside of Canada.

Owaru is new too, he is a promissing 8. Olsen is another but think that is about it.
Has it occurred to others that, perhaps, Rugby Canada does not want to do well at men's XVs? If it did, the national union would have done something about this mess years ago.
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canuckles wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:09 pm
CanNZ2000 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:56 pm
canuckles wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:54 pm With the exception of Larsen, it is essentially the club that lost to Chile. No?

I said a couple of weeks ago to fire Jones. He is not only the head coach, but RC also hired him as our Director of Rugby.
Not just he should be fire, a few others as well. RC clearly has its head in the sand and just waiting for this to blow over. Something that is VERY TELLING, is that Canada not qualifying for the WC is bigger news outside of Canada.

Owaru is new too, he is a promissing 8. Olsen is another but think that is about it.
Has it occurred to others that, perhaps, Rugby Canada does not want to do well at men's XVs? If it did, the national union would have done something about this mess years ago.
It certainly does seem like that quite a lot of the time tbh.
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canuckles wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:09 pm
CanNZ2000 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:56 pm
canuckles wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:54 pm With the exception of Larsen, it is essentially the club that lost to Chile. No?

I said a couple of weeks ago to fire Jones. He is not only the head coach, but RC also hired him as our Director of Rugby.
Not just he should be fire, a few others as well. RC clearly has its head in the sand and just waiting for this to blow over. Something that is VERY TELLING, is that Canada not qualifying for the WC is bigger news outside of Canada.

Owaru is new too, he is a promissing 8. Olsen is another but think that is about it.
Has it occurred to others that, perhaps, Rugby Canada does not want to do well at men's XVs? If it did, the national union would have done something about this mess years ago.
I get what you saying. It is very possible, hope you are wrong but I know you could very well be right. As fonzee said, it does appear that way sometimes.

BTW, sent you an email.
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Vansen needs to be fired too.
Jones' job as men's 15s coach and director of men’s performance rugby is not in jeopardy. Vansen says the former Wales captain is reviewing the World Cup qualifying performance and preparing for two November matches, which Vansen calls "the start of our journey through to qualify for 2027."

"He remains our head coach and has my full support," Vansen said.
https://www.tsn.ca/rugby-canada-expects ... -1.1712373
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CanNZ2000 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:21 pm Vansen needs to be fired too.
Jones' job as men's 15s coach and director of men’s performance rugby is not in jeopardy. Vansen says the former Wales captain is reviewing the World Cup qualifying performance and preparing for two November matches, which Vansen calls "the start of our journey through to qualify for 2027."

"He remains our head coach and has my full support," Vansen said.
https://www.tsn.ca/rugby-canada-expects ... -1.1712373
Vansen was hired by and is protected by Parfrey and Powers. They are all Newfies, and will stick with one another. I do not believe Vansen has ever had a job in the private sector. All of his employment has been in the Canadian sport governing "industry," which is notoriously incompetent.
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canuckles wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:41 pm
CanNZ2000 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:21 pm Vansen needs to be fired too.
Jones' job as men's 15s coach and director of men’s performance rugby is not in jeopardy. Vansen says the former Wales captain is reviewing the World Cup qualifying performance and preparing for two November matches, which Vansen calls "the start of our journey through to qualify for 2027."

"He remains our head coach and has my full support," Vansen said.
https://www.tsn.ca/rugby-canada-expects ... -1.1712373
Vansen was hired by and is protected by Parfrey and Powers. They are all Newfies, and will stick with one another. I do not believe Vansen has ever had a job in the private sector. All of his employment has been in the Canadian sport governing "industry," which is notoriously incompetent.
The upcoming AGM will be interesting.

Votes for change:

B.C., Quebec, NB, NS

Hell, BCRU has hired John Tait and their CEO is a woman.

Vote to remain the same:

NFLD

Provinces not stating their intent yet:

AB, SASK, MB, PEI.

But the real question is, how much change can the provincial unions really force?
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All I can say it's very sad to see. As a boy watching Canada taking on the All Blacks in the World Cup led by the great Norm Hadley (a prescient man indeed) and going toe to toe I genuinely thought they would grow and grow and become a force in the global game. :(
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Canada's line up to face Portugal. It is tomorrow at 7 AM PST

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stream will, apparently, be on: https://vimeo.com/user123608693 (Portuguese rugby channel)

How far has rugby Canada fallen? This tweet says it all. He is getting a lot of flack for it, thankfully.
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Glad our team gets a chance to be back in the test-match environment! Huge lessons on board I”m sure - perfect time for an upset! Good luck boys- we know how much work you have all out in to compete at this level
An upset?! An upset?!

link: https://twitter.com/grees10/status/1456356698822635526
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Canada's line up for tomorrow.

World Rugby will be providing a stream, I assume for free, for the game. Which means, the stream will probably be active 10 minutes after KO. Apparently this is a very weak Belgium side missing many regulars. Appears that the real indicator of how Canada plays will be how many points they concede instead of score.

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Canada leading Belgium 19 - 0 - 65 minutes in.

Since the 18th minute Canada has been playing a man down - red card to Smith.
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24 - 0 FT to Canada

Canada played 60+ minutes a man down.
To make things more difficult they got a yellow early in the second half too.
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Full match here:

https://youtu.be/_jOb07oWq-E

(World Rugby posted it on their official channel, so it’s legal)
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The game was near unwatchable. Rugby seems to have become a parade of yellow and red cards. I thought Thomas and LeSage were our best out there. Thomas has been a good addition.
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I've watched most of the AIs including almost all of the T2 matches. Romania, Spain and Georgia would lay a savage beating on this current Canadian team were they to actually meet. My bet is on both Spain and Romania to qualify for the WC, one automatically and one via repechage.

The 1st Division of the REC is really quite a bit stronger than it used to be. Belgium aren't even in the 1st Division.
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fonzeee wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:24 pm
CanNZ2000 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:17 pm
fonzeee wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:16 pm
CanNZ2000 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:43 pm
fonzeee wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:41 pm They'll beat Belgium

Sidenote but "Stade Nelson Mandela"...in Brussels?
Yeah, noticed that. I was 'huh?'
In their defense I guess no Belgian has ever done anything of note.

Well, with one notable exception, of course.


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Don't think there are any Belgians on here to troll, tbh.
I really wasn't trolling, just stating a fact. Before that post I actually googled "famous Belgians" thinking I'd missed someone, and apart from some painters only an art major would have heard of, some lycra-wearing twat that rode bikes around all day, and the odd priest, that country has contributed literally nothing. It was actually sad.

But JCVD is awesome so for that alone I will make their destruction swift and painless when I'm emperor.
There are plenty of notable Belgians in all sorts of fields. From Pierre Macq the physicist to Chantal Akerman the film director. When people say I cannot name any notable Belgians it's more of a commentary on their ignorance than anything else.

The question for Canadian rugby is when will Jones resign and Rugby Canada's board. It's sad and shameful to see the decline of a very decent side over the last two decades.
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canuckles wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:10 pm The game was near unwatchable. Rugby seems to have become a parade of yellow and red cards. I thought Thomas and LeSage were our best out there. Thomas has been a good addition.
Yes, that was not a very good Belgium side. To me, the only good thing that came out of that game was that Canada played a man down for 60+ minutes and didn't concede a try.

A better nation would have had a different outcome. I think Canada only had to make 1 goal line stand as well during the entire 'test' match.

LeSage did look good, as did Thomas, I though Rowland went fairly well too.
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