It's official, Sweden declare themselves the Covid winners

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https://principia-scientific.com/sweden ... -victory/?


Sweden, With No Lockdown Or Masks, Claims COVID-19 Victory


Published on September 8, 2020

Written by Steve Watson


As the rest of Europe and the world remains under the grip of draconian rules and the threat of new lockdowns, Sweden, which allowed its citizens to remain free throughout the entire pandemic, has pretty much declared victory over the coronavirus.

The country now has one of the lowest infection rates on the planet, and it’s difficult not to admire how it has handled the past year, with no strict lockdown or compulsory face mask rules. All businesses, schools and public places remained open in Sweden for the duration.

“Sweden Has Gone From Being The Country With The Most Infections In Europe To The Safest One,” Sweden’s Senior Epidemiologist Dr. Anders Tegnell Commented To Italian Newspaper Corriere Della Sera.
“What we see now is that the sustainable policy might be slower in getting results, but it will get results eventually,” Tegnell clarified. “And then we also hope that the result will be more stable,” he added.


Tegnell previously warned that encouraging people to wear face masks is “very dangerous” because it gives a false sense of security but does not effectively stem the spread of the virus.

“The findings that have been produced through face masks are astonishingly weak, even though so many people around the world wear them,” Tengell has urged.

Last week, the European Center for Disease Prevention and Control confirmed Sweden’s drop in infection rate, with only 12 cases per million, compared to 18 in neighbouring Denmark and 14 in nearby Norway.

At the peak of the Sweden’s outbreak, it was seeing 108 new infections per million people, as it pursued a “herd immunity” strategy.

The figures also show that out of 2500 randomly selected and tested people in Sweden, none tested positive, compared to 0.9 percent positive in April, and 0.3 percent in May.

“We interpret this as meaning there is not currently a widespread infection among people who do not have symptoms,” said Karin Tegmark, deputy head of the Public Health Agency of Sweden.

When compared to the rest of Europe, Sweden’s death rate sits somewhere in the middle. However, officials are confident that playing the long game will see this improve drastically.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... KBN25Z2TM

WORLD NEWSSEPTEMBER 9, 2020 / 3:28 AM / UPDATED 8 HOURS AGO
Positive Covid tests in no-lockdown Sweden hit lowest rate since pandemic began
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STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Sweden carried out a record number of new coronavirus tests last week with only 1.2% coming back positive, the health agency said on Tuesday, the lowest rate since the pandemic began at a time when countries across Europe are seeing surges in infections.....


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Sweden carried out over 120,000 tests last week with just over 1,300 coming back positive, far below the 19% positive tests hit during some weeks in the spring, and now has the lowest rate of spread in Scandinavia......

[bimboman]

This cannot be true, posters have confirmed Swedish Scientists and authority’s have done a massive Mea Culpa and wish they were really Danish.

[Enzedder]

Kill off the old, frail, susceptible citizens and Darwin's Law will look after the rest.

Glad we didn't have that attitude.

[eldanielfire]

Kill off the old, frail, susceptible citizens and Darwin's Law will look after the rest.

Glad we didn't have that attitude.

That's not their plan at all though. The whole of Europe missed the issue with care homes and the elderly, all european countries, whatever their strategy and outcomes had this issue because when it spread nobody had prior plans to deal with it given no countries could get enough PPE or tests done to control the spread. It's sad you have to troll other countries like that when essentially New Zealand was way slower to go into lockdown then many European countries whose outcomes were worse and essentially lucked out by it's relative isolation.

[eldanielfire]

This cannot be true, posters have confirmed Swedish Scientists and authority’s have done a massive Mea Culpa and wish they were really Danish.

Whether you are pro or against the Swedish model the final outcomes on what actions constitutes a success in this pandemic is still a long way off.

[Clogs]

This cannot be true, posters have confirmed Swedish Scientists and authority’s have done a massive Mea Culpa and wish they were really Danish.

Whether you are pro or against the Swedish model the final outcomes on what actions constitutes a success in this pandemic is still a long way off.

Agreed. We are still very early on in this marathon. I just found it a little odd that Sweden seem to have gone the early crow. Being PR it was too good an opportunity to not post it here...

[UncleFB]

Kill off the old, frail, susceptible citizens and Darwin's Law will look after the rest.

Glad we didn't have that attitude.

That's not their plan at all though. The whole of Europe missed the issue with care homes and the elderly, all european countries, whatever their strategy and outcomes had this issue because when it spread nobody had prior plans to deal with it given no countries could get enough PPE or tests done to control the spread. It's sad you have to troll other countries like that when essentially New Zealand was way slower to go into lockdown then many European countries whose outcomes were worse and essentially lucked out by it's relative isolation.

This whole thread is a troll though.

I'm actually surprised Tegnell is being so cocky though as there's no guarantee they're not going to have another wave like others have. I'm not sure the families of the dead that Tegnell admitted he didn't expect would feel the same cockiness either, and these latest comments don't really align with his comments in June when he suggested he'd do something in between what Sweden and the rest of the world did due to the death rate.

Edit: Missed your other post - which I agree with, we're not near the finish line yet.

[Enzedder]

Kill off the old, frail, susceptible citizens and Darwin's Law will look after the rest.

Glad we didn't have that attitude.

That's not their plan at all though. The whole of Europe missed the issue with care homes and the elderly, all european countries, whatever their strategy and outcomes had this issue because when it spread nobody had prior plans to deal with it given no countries could get enough PPE or tests done to control the spread. It's sad you have to troll other countries like that when essentially New Zealand was way slower to go into lockdown then many European countries whose outcomes were worse and essentially lucked out by it's relative isolation.

And yet Tegnell is trolling to an extent with the dead citizens and saying that their deaths were worthwhile.

[eldanielfire]

This cannot be true, posters have confirmed Swedish Scientists and authority’s have done a massive Mea Culpa and wish they were really Danish.

Whether you are pro or against the Swedish model the final outcomes on what actions constitutes a success in this pandemic is still a long way off.

Agreed. We are still very early on in this marathon. I just found it a little odd that Sweden seem to have gone the early crow. Being PR it was too good an opportunity to not post it here...

I suspect it's to counter the "bad PR" they have taken by an impatient media who declared them a disaster zone on COVID-19.

[Blackrock Bullet]

Kill off the old, frail, susceptible citizens and Darwin's Law will look after the rest.

Glad we didn't have that attitude.

All

The high end estimate for Sweden was 120k iirc.

If it is the case that they've got to a saturation, it is a lesson for the world. They screwed up on nursing homes, without question, but you can help avoid that.

You'd still want to see a pattern of it over a longer period though.

[eldanielfire]

Kill off the old, frail, susceptible citizens and Darwin's Law will look after the rest.

Glad we didn't have that attitude.

That's not their plan at all though. The whole of Europe missed the issue with care homes and the elderly, all european countries, whatever their strategy and outcomes had this issue because when it spread nobody had prior plans to deal with it given no countries could get enough PPE or tests done to control the spread. It's sad you have to troll other countries like that when essentially New Zealand was way slower to go into lockdown then many European countries whose outcomes were worse and essentially lucked out by it's relative isolation.

And yet Tegnell is trolling to an extent with the dead citizens and saying that their deaths were worthwhile.

No he's not, he's simply comparing their figures with other to illustrate their position. Unlike you who used emotive and loaded language to take a pot shot at them.

[Frodder]

Kill off the old, frail, susceptible citizens and Darwin's Law will look after the rest.

Glad we didn't have that attitude.

That's not their plan at all though. The whole of Europe missed the issue with care homes and the elderly, all european countries, whatever their strategy and outcomes had this issue because when it spread nobody had prior plans to deal with it given no countries could get enough PPE or tests done to control the spread. It's sad you have to troll other countries like that when essentially New Zealand was way slower to go into lockdown then many European countries whose outcomes were worse and essentially lucked out by it's relative isolation.

And yet Tegnell is trolling to an extent with the dead citizens and saying that their deaths were worthwhile.

Is he?

[EverReady]

Kill off the old, frail, susceptible citizens and Darwin's Law will look after the rest.

Glad we didn't have that attitude.

That's not their plan at all though. The whole of Europe missed the issue with care homes and the elderly, all european countries, whatever their strategy and outcomes had this issue because when it spread nobody had prior plans to deal with it given no countries could get enough PPE or tests done to control the spread. It's sad you have to troll other countries like that when essentially New Zealand was way slower to go into lockdown then many European countries whose outcomes were worse and essentially lucked out by it's relative isolation.

And yet Tegnell is trolling to an extent with the dead citizens and saying that their deaths were worthwhile.

Yeah. Nah. What's currently happening worldwide doesn't work. You can't trust either side in the states so we have to look to rationale places for ideas. Sweden was always an interesting approach and even the cautious have been curious will it go well. Nursing homes is a red herring. My understanding was it would be 12 months as in March 2021 before we could be sure. Certainly they have currently come from behind after scoring a few in quick succession from kick offs

[Clogs]

Kill off the old, frail, susceptible citizens and Darwin's Law will look after the rest.

Glad we didn't have that attitude.

That's not their plan at all though. The whole of Europe missed the issue with care homes and the elderly, all european countries, whatever their strategy and outcomes had this issue because when it spread nobody had prior plans to deal with it given no countries could get enough PPE or tests done to control the spread. It's sad you have to troll other countries like that when essentially New Zealand was way slower to go into lockdown then many European countries whose outcomes were worse and essentially lucked out by it's relative isolation.

And yet Tegnell is trolling to an extent with the dead citizens and saying that their deaths were worthwhile.

Yeah. Nah. What's currently happening worldwide doesn't work. You can't trust either side in the states so we have to look to rationale places for ideas. Sweden was always an interesting approach and even the cautious have been curious will it go well. Nursing homes is a red herring. My understanding was it would be 12 months as in March 2021 before we could be sure. Certainly they have currently come from behind after scoring a few in quick succession from kick offs

That combined with the record testing numbers and falling infections and deaths seems to indicate they may have won round 4. Still 8 rounds to go. There was another interesting blind test they conduct on 2000 people and for the first time there were zero cases detected in the 2000 people.All signs are positive for them.

Not so much for much of the rest of Europe. Denmark appears to be headed to hell in a hand basket. I dread to think what their number are going to be next week.

[bimboman]

This cannot be true, posters have confirmed Swedish Scientists and authority’s have done a massive Mea Culpa and wish they were really Danish.

Whether you are pro or against the Swedish model the final outcomes on what actions constitutes a success in this pandemic is still a long way off.

I couldn’t agree more.

[Clogs]

Kill off the old, frail, susceptible citizens and Darwin's Law will look after the rest.

Glad we didn't have that attitude.

All

The high end estimate for Sweden was 120k iirc.

If it is the case that they've got to a saturation, it is a lesson for the world. They screwed up on nursing homes, without question, but you can help avoid that.

You'd still want to see a pattern of it over a longer period though.

Imperial College declared they would have 96 000 deaths by May or some other such nonsense.

[EverReady]

Kill off the old, frail, susceptible citizens and Darwin's Law will look after the rest.

Glad we didn't have that attitude.

That's not their plan at all though. The whole of Europe missed the issue with care homes and the elderly, all european countries, whatever their strategy and outcomes had this issue because when it spread nobody had prior plans to deal with it given no countries could get enough PPE or tests done to control the spread. It's sad you have to troll other countries like that when essentially New Zealand was way slower to go into lockdown then many European countries whose outcomes were worse and essentially lucked out by it's relative isolation.

And yet Tegnell is trolling to an extent with the dead citizens and saying that their deaths were worthwhile.

Yeah. Nah. What's currently happening worldwide doesn't work. You can't trust either side in the states so we have to look to rationale places for ideas. Sweden was always an interesting approach and even the cautious have been curious will it go well. Nursing homes is a red herring. My understanding was it would be 12 months as in March 2021 before we could be sure. Certainly they have currently come from behind after scoring a few in quick succession from kick offs

That combined with the record testing numbers and falling infections and deaths seems to indicate they may have won round 4. Still 8 rounds to go. There was another interesting blind test they conduct on 2000 people and for the first time there were zero cases detected in the 2000 people.All signs are positive for them.

Not so much for much of the rest of Europe. Denmark appears to be headed to hell in a hand basket. I dread to think what their number are going to be next week.

It must be mad living in a country that has the forbearance and political maturity to stick with those protocols. In Ireland we would have shit the bed after a few weeks

[Mullet 2]

Given the amount of countries that have declared victory and come tumbling back down the hill this is pretty brainless.

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Given the amount of countries that have declared victory and come tumbling back down the hill this is pretty brainless.

I blame Steve Watson.

[EverReady]

Tbf Mullet they aren't doing that. They are saying currently it is X.

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Tbf Mullet they aren't doing that. They are saying currently it is X.

The lowest rate of infection in the world. They might just ever so sneakily be trying to make a point after facing so many months of criticism.

[EverReady]

Can't blame them for that having been near international pariahs

[Frodder]

Eventually the virus will learn to understand the Swedish viewpoint. It's only a matter of time

[Clogs]

Can't blame them for that having been near international pariahs

Yes, but I still have that nagging feeling they may have declared themselves world champions a little too soon. There is still more to go in this twisting turning saga. New Zealand may still come out on top.

[Mullet 2]

Is their death rate higher? Yes

Basically they're Zapp Branigan claiming victory for sending wave after wave of pensioners against the killbots

[EverReady]

When it does I am ready to call them useless cünts again

[EverReady]

Is there death rate higher? Yes

Basically their Zapp Branigan claiming victory for sending wave after wave of pensioners against the killbots

That's a bit disingenuous but that is because you hate the blond master race

[bimboman]

Eventually the virus will learn to understand the Swedish viewpoint. It's only a matter of time

Well it has already Learnt not to infect people in the pub but at funerals, it’s learnt that left wing protesting doesn’t spread it but going to a beach is an ideal breeding ground , It’s learnt to not infect people at work (unless they’re teachers), so learning the Swedish wishes will be a piece
Of cake.

[Clogs]

Eventually the virus will learn to understand the Swedish viewpoint. It's only a matter of time

Well it has already Learnt not to infect people in the pub but at funerals, it’s learnt that left wing protesting doesn’t spread it but going to a beach is an ideal breeding ground , It’s learnt to not infect people at work (unless they’re teachers), so learning the Swedish wishes will be a piece
Of cake.

Yeh.










But also no?










Perhaps?









But also what?

[Clogs]

Kill off the old, frail, susceptible citizens and Darwin's Law will look after the rest.

Glad we didn't have that attitude.

These guys are evil. Pure evil.

https://www.thelocal.se/20200908/the-sw ... fan-lofven

[Anonymous 1]

Kill off the old, frail, susceptible citizens and Darwin's Law will look after the rest.

Glad we didn't have that attitude.

That's not their plan at all though. The whole of Europe missed the issue with care homes and the elderly, all european countries, whatever their strategy and outcomes had this issue because when it spread nobody had prior plans to deal with it given no countries could get enough PPE or tests done to control the spread. It's sad you have to troll other countries like that when essentially New Zealand was way slower to go into lockdown then many European countries whose outcomes were worse and essentially lucked out by it's relative isolation.

And yet Tegnell is trolling to an extent with the dead citizens and saying that their deaths were worthwhile.

TBF he always felt the extra elderly deaths were worth it. He just didn't think his email admitting this would be made public

[Anonymous 1]

Tbf Mullet they aren't doing that. They are saying currently it is X.

The lowest rate of infection in the world. They might just ever so sneakily be trying to make a point after facing so many months of criticism.

The point of lockdown was to save lives while we developed therapeutics and vaccines. Norway and Denmark have either had no deaths or just one or two over the last 14 days.If Tegnell considers this to be a win he is a slag

Sweden had up to nine times their daily deaths for ages and at the moment still has more than trebble over the last 14 days

[Blackrock Bullet]

Tbf Mullet they aren't doing that. They are saying currently it is X.

The lowest rate of infection in the world. They might just ever so sneakily be trying to make a point after facing so many months of criticism.

The point of lockdown was to save lives while we developed therapeutics and vaccines. Norway and Denmark have either had no deaths or just one or two over the last 14 days.If Tegnell considers this to be a win he is a slag

The point of lockdowns obviously failed in lots of countries going by your standard so.

Once again, you ignore what was said. They have admitted to failing in care homes.

[CrazyIslander]

[CrazyIslander]

Tbf Mullet they aren't doing that. They are saying currently it is X.

The lowest rate of infection in the world. They might just ever so sneakily be trying to make a point after facing so many months of criticism.

The point of lockdown was to save lives while we developed therapeutics and vaccines. Norway and Denmark have either had no deaths or just one or two over the last 14 days.If Tegnell considers this to be a win he is a slag

The point of lockdowns obviously failed in lots of countries going by your standard so.

Once again, you ignore what was said. They have admitted to failing in care homes.

The point of lockdown was also to minimise the effects of mistakes in dealing with the virus. Everyone made mistakes with care homes but lockdown contained the mistake better than no lockdown.

[Anonymous 1]

Tbf Mullet they aren't doing that. They are saying currently it is X.

The lowest rate of infection in the world. They might just ever so sneakily be trying to make a point after facing so many months of criticism.

The point of lockdown was to save lives while we developed therapeutics and vaccines. Norway and Denmark have either had no deaths or just one or two over the last 14 days.If Tegnell considers this to be a win he is a slag

The point of lockdowns obviously failed in lots of countries going by your standard so.

Once again, you ignore what was said. They have admitted to failing in care homes.

I'm not ignoring what they said. I've told you before though I put more store by what they do than what they say.

In an email Anders Tegnell never intended the public to see he said

One point would be to keep schools open to reach herd immunity faster,” Tegnell commented. Salminen replied that the Finnish health agency had considered this but rejected it because “over time, the children are still going to spread the infection” to other age groups.

Finland’s modelling suggested closing schools would reduce the spread of Covid-19 among elderly people by about 10%, Salminen said in the email. Tegnell replied: “10% might be worth it?

Sweden kept schools open for under 16's

That is not failing the elderly that is throwing them under the bus


Below is a graph showing the number of deaths in the 4 most populous nordic countries.

[Blackrock Bullet]

Tbf Mullet they aren't doing that. They are saying currently it is X.

The lowest rate of infection in the world. They might just ever so sneakily be trying to make a point after facing so many months of criticism.

The point of lockdown was to save lives while we developed therapeutics and vaccines. Norway and Denmark have either had no deaths or just one or two over the last 14 days.If Tegnell considers this to be a win he is a slag

The point of lockdowns obviously failed in lots of countries going by your standard so.

Once again, you ignore what was said. They have admitted to failing in care homes.

The point of lockdown was also to minimise the effects of mistakes in dealing with the virus. Everyone made mistakes with care homes but lockdown contained the mistake better than no lockdown.

Not in lots of countries

[Blackrock Bullet]

Tbf Mullet they aren't doing that. They are saying currently it is X.

The lowest rate of infection in the world. They might just ever so sneakily be trying to make a point after facing so many months of criticism.

The point of lockdown was to save lives while we developed therapeutics and vaccines. Norway and Denmark have either had no deaths or just one or two over the last 14 days.If Tegnell considers this to be a win he is a slag

The point of lockdowns obviously failed in lots of countries going by your standard so.

Once again, you ignore what was said. They have admitted to failing in care homes.

I'm not ignoring what they said. I've told you before though I put more store by what they do than what they say.

In an email Anders Tegnell never intended the public to see he said

One point would be to keep schools open to reach herd immunity faster,” Tegnell commented. Salminen replied that the Finnish health agency had considered this but rejected it because “over time, the children are still going to spread the infection” to other age groups.

Finland’s modelling suggested closing schools would reduce the spread of Covid-19 among elderly people by about 10%, Salminen said in the email. Tegnell replied: “10% might be worth it?

Sweden kept schools open for under 16's

That is not failing the elderly that is throwing them under the bus


Below is a graph showing the number of deaths in the 4 most populous nordic countries.

Over what period does the 10% refer to?

Over what period would closing schools refer to? What was the damage of closing schools? Remember the start of the pandemic when all of this was considered?

[EverReady]

Again this notion that every state cost benefit analysis doesn't factor in acceptable deaths. From the roads that we build, to the amount of Brexit medicine stockpiles needed to whether or not to have sugar taxes deaths are to the fore. Acceptable levels of deaths. Every country has a figure and until Covid it wasn't so conservative but there are lots of forces at play these days pulling people left and right.