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MOG - which is exactly what NZRU seems to be inferring RA are doing.

I can’t wait to see where this one ends up - NZ (union and fans) on the ropes, SA has COVID positive cases just before camp and making noises about not playing, Arg moved players to neighbouring country. Will the TRC happen?

More positively Bled 3 & 4 in a few weeks.
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kiwigreg369 wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:29 pm MOG - which is exactly what NZRU seems to be inferring RA are doing.

I can’t wait to see where this one ends up - NZ (union and fans) on the ropes, SA has COVID positive cases just before camp and making noises about not playing, Arg moved players to neighbouring country. Will the TRC happen?

More positively Bled 3 & 4 in a few weeks.
I dunno mate. I just want to see some good, clean rugby. I don't even expect this young rebuilding Wallaby team stands a chance to win a game (although I like surprises). I'm just pumped to see the rugby. I'm sick of this politicking shit, and I'm sure the vast majority of NZers would agree. To me the NZ players spending Christmas in quarantine should not be an issue worth even discussing really. They're representing their country, the champions of world rugby. I've taken flights on Christmas day before just to say a few bucks ffs. If I was doing it to represent Australia on the global stage it would be a totally, laughably non issue. I don't even know what they're talking aobut.

I hope they just go at it. Professionalism is f-cking up the game imo.
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towny wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:53 pm
akann wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:30 pm Will the SMH provide us evidence of those minutes or are they just going to make a baseless claim?
Will you admit kiwis are lying, opportunistic, bullies with a victim mentality if you see the minutes?

I can make some calls if you can commit.
Yes please.
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Mog The Almighty wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:45 pm
kiwigreg369 wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:29 pm MOG - which is exactly what NZRU seems to be inferring RA are doing.

I can’t wait to see where this one ends up - NZ (union and fans) on the ropes, SA has COVID positive cases just before camp and making noises about not playing, Arg moved players to neighbouring country. Will the TRC happen?

More positively Bled 3 & 4 in a few weeks.
I dunno mate. I just want to see some good, clean rugby. I don't even expect this young rebuilding Wallaby team stands a chance to win a game (although I like surprises). I'm just pumped to see the rugby. I'm sick of this politicking shit, and I'm sure the vast majority of NZers would agree. To me the NZ players spending Christmas in quarantine should not be an issue worth even discussing really. They're representing their country, the former champions of world rugby. I've taken flights on Christmas day before just to say a few bucks ffs. If I was doing it to represent Australia on the global stage it would be a totally, laughably non issue. I don't even know what they're talking aobut.

I hope they just go at it. Professionalism is f-cking up the game imo.
Quick fix there
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jambanja wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:50 pm
Mog The Almighty wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:45 pm
kiwigreg369 wrote: Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:29 pm MOG - which is exactly what NZRU seems to be inferring RA are doing.

I can’t wait to see where this one ends up - NZ (union and fans) on the ropes, SA has COVID positive cases just before camp and making noises about not playing, Arg moved players to neighbouring country. Will the TRC happen?

More positively Bled 3 & 4 in a few weeks.
I dunno mate. I just want to see some good, clean rugby. I don't even expect this young rebuilding Wallaby team stands a chance to win a game (although I like surprises). I'm just pumped to see the rugby. I'm sick of this politicking shit, and I'm sure the vast majority of NZers would agree. To me the NZ players spending Christmas in quarantine should not be an issue worth even discussing really. They're representing their country, the former champions of world rugby. I've taken flights on Christmas day before just to say a few bucks ffs. If I was doing it to represent Australia on the global stage it would be a totally, laughably non issue. I don't even know what they're talking aobut.

I hope they just go at it. Professionalism is f-cking up the game imo.
Quick fix there
There's two obvious ones: i) All Blacks shut up and play; ii) All Blacks allowed home for Christmas.
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A travel bubble between NSW and NZ will be in place before Christmas. Fact.
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Looks like NZR knew all along about the Rugby Championship end date of 12 December and that they'd agreed to it.

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ArnoldVDH wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:17 am Looks like NZR knew all along about the Rugby Championship end date of 12 December and that they'd agreed to it.

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:lol:

They are so out of their depth.
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Zakar wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:44 am
ArnoldVDH wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:17 am Looks like NZR knew all along about the Rugby Championship end date of 12 December and that they'd agreed to it.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/int ... ampionship
:lol:

They are so out of their depth.
Aussie fans are loving this pile on.

I hate NZR but they are infinitely more competent than RA has ever been. Your teams suck at every level of the game, your national union is broke and begging World Rugby for loans and you don't even have a permanent CEO, having sacked your previous one because News Ltd told you to.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:51 am
Zakar wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:44 am
ArnoldVDH wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:17 am Looks like NZR knew all along about the Rugby Championship end date of 12 December and that they'd agreed to it.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/int ... ampionship
:lol:

They are so out of their depth.
Aussie fans are loving this pile on.

I hate NZR but they are infinitely more competent than RA has ever been. Your teams suck at every level of the game, your national union is broke and begging World Rugby for loans and you don't even have a permanent CEO, having sacked your previous one because News Ltd told you to.
Every level? Our u20s and u18s thrashed your teams last year, and we're reigning Olympic champions.

We're on the way up, you're on the way down.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:51 am
Zakar wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:44 am
ArnoldVDH wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:17 am Looks like NZR knew all along about the Rugby Championship end date of 12 December and that they'd agreed to it.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/int ... ampionship
:lol:

They are so out of their depth.
Aussie fans are loving this pile on.

I hate NZR but they are infinitely more competent than RA has ever been. Your teams suck at every level of the game, your national union is broke and begging World Rugby for loans and you don't even have a permanent CEO, having sacked your previous one because News Ltd told you to.
Excuse me.

I didn't pile on. I was considerate, as always
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Zakar wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:09 am Every level? Our u20s and u18s thrashed your teams last year, and we're reigning Olympic champions.

We're on the way up, you're on the way down.
Three Super Rugby titles in 26 seasons, no Bledisloe Cup series wins since 2003 and the Wallabies are currently ranked a pathetic 7th. Throw in a broke national union and a casual CEO on his L Plates, and yet you're here on this thread boasting about how well Australian Rugby is going. Pathetic. But don't let me disrupt your gleeful online pile on.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:14 am
Zakar wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:09 am Every level? Our u20s and u18s thrashed your teams last year, and we're reigning Olympic champions.

We're on the way up, you're on the way down.
Three Super Rugby titles in 26 seasons, no Bledisloe Cup series wins since 2003 and the Wallabies are currently ranked a pathetic 7th. Throw in a broke national union and a casual CEO on his L Plates, and yet you're here on this thread boasting about how well Australian Rugby is going. Pathetic. But don't let me disrupt your gleeful online pile on.
Exactly, we're on the way up, like Space X. You're on the way down like Challenger.
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Zakar wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:25 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:14 am
Zakar wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:09 am Every level? Our u20s and u18s thrashed your teams last year, and we're reigning Olympic champions.

We're on the way up, you're on the way down.
Three Super Rugby titles in 26 seasons, no Bledisloe Cup series wins since 2003 and the Wallabies are currently ranked a pathetic 7th. Throw in a broke national union and a casual CEO on his L Plates, and yet you're here on this thread boasting about how well Australian Rugby is going. Pathetic. But don't let me disrupt your gleeful online pile on.
Exactly, we're on the way up, like Space X. You're on the way down like Challenger.
And to continue that analogy with Space X and NASA, we've been propping you up all this time while you pretend you're doing it all on your own.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:51 am
Zakar wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:44 am
ArnoldVDH wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:17 am Looks like NZR knew all along about the Rugby Championship end date of 12 December and that they'd agreed to it.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/int ... ampionship
:lol:

They are so out of their depth.
Aussie fans are loving this pile on.

I hate NZR but they are infinitely more competent than RA has ever been. Your teams suck at every level of the game, your national union is broke and begging World Rugby for loans and you don't even have a permanent CEO, having sacked your previous one because News Ltd told you to.
:lol: :lol:
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Zakar wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:44 am
ArnoldVDH wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:17 am Looks like NZR knew all along about the Rugby Championship end date of 12 December and that they'd agreed to it.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/int ... ampionship
:lol:

They are so out of their depth.
Yes, what’s going on here Bros? We expect this sort of thing from SA but certainly not the spiritual guardians.
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Are we going to get to see these minutes? Are they approved minutes or just draft?

Surely this meeting was on Zoom so there'll be a video record of it. The Australia-Sanzaar cabal should just leak the video as well.
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UncleFB wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:56 am Are we going to get to see these minutes? Are they approved minutes or just draft?

Surely this meeting was on Zoom so there'll be a video record of it. The Australia-Sanzaar cabal should just leak the video as well.
some leaking going alright,
Leaked minutes show NZ agreed to six-week Rugby Championship
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By Sam Phillips
September 30, 2020 — 5.01pm

Leaked minutes from a meeting of SANZAAR CEOs have revealed New Zealand Rugby agreed to play a six-week Rugby Championship which would finish on December 12, despite their insistence otherwise.

NZR chief executive Mark Robinson spoke to reporters from both sides of the Tasman on Wednesday to discuss the Rugby Championship scheduling and South Africa's scathing attack on the Kiwis after confirming their departure from Super Rugby, among other things.

And while Robinson repeatedly insisted NZR did not agree to play a six-week tournament which would finish on December 12 – as RA chair Hamish McLennan indicated on Tuesday night – the Herald has sourced the minutes from the other side of the Tasman.

They clearly show the six-week tournament was agreed upon by all four nations and the announcement which supposedly blindsided NZR was also set in stone for late September.

Despite the evidence to the contrary, Robinson held firm on Wednesday.

"We didn't agree to the schedule and don't agree to the schedule. Or the announcement," Robinson said. "Ordinarily, under SANZAAR joint venture that means things aren't decided or announced until there is unanimous support for anything such as this."

Robinson believes Australia "changed their tune" in the days prior to the September 24 schedule reveal, despite agreeing to a September 21 announcement at the CEOs meeting on September 17.

"It became clear to us probably in the few days before the announcement that the Australians had certainly changed their tune," Robinson said. "And in a day or so before or the night before, that's when it gained real traction. We were surprised by the media releases that were circulating."

While the document shows NZR were aware of the plans, Robinson also took aim at McLennan, who on Tuesday said the relationship between the rugby nations was at its "lowest ebb".

That was simply a "strategy" New Zealand would be drawn into, according to Robinson.

"With regards to Australia, [NZR chair] Brent [Impey] and I were on a phone call with Hamish and [RA chief executive] Rob [Clarke] as recently as 10 or 12 days ago where they were inviting us to be hosted and to come and stay with them and enjoy hospitality. I think it's a bit of bluster, to be honest," Robinson said.

"It's something that clearly they have a strategy and a narrative that they want to portray and we don't operate like that.

"We respect the fact they want to and we will carry on engaging about future opportunities with them and get on with business and ignore things that are being said like that."

When pressed on the September 17 meeting and what agreement was made, Robinson ducked the question.

"All I would say is that in any forum we have been in, there has been no agreement to play in the tournament on December 12 at any time and at any meeting," Robinson said.

"We have been very clear around that and any correspondence on our end. That's something we have been very consistent with."

Robinson may have been consistent but the minutes show the SANZAAR and RA side of the story to be the more accurate account of events.

"Frankly, we want to move on and focus on the future," Robinson said. "I can appreciate you have jobs to do but we have very clear – in our own minds – what has happened. But to be honest, that doesn't serve anyone much use at the moment. To go back and try relitigate any of that.

"And that's what [conversations with] Rugby Australia and SANZAAR has been like since the start of the week.

"We had to be very clear about what happened when that was announced without our approval. Since that time, we have largely tried to focus forward and get a resolution for team and management."
Is Robbo the Comical Ali of rugby??? He should be in WWF.
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UncleFB wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:56 am Are we going to get to see these minutes? Are they approved minutes or just draft?

Surely this meeting was on Zoom so there'll be a video record of it. The Australia-Sanzaar cabal should just leak the video as well.
I am also still waiting - and I am hoping that this record has been approved and verified by all parties.

I bet they haven't
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Enzedder wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 6:52 am
UncleFB wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:56 am Are we going to get to see these minutes? Are they approved minutes or just draft?

Surely this meeting was on Zoom so there'll be a video record of it. The Australia-Sanzaar cabal should just leak the video as well.
I am also still waiting - and I am hoping that this record has been approved and verified by all parties.

I bet they haven't
Brent Impey has just been on TVNZ denying it, problem for NZR is they can’t prove it wasn’t agreed on especially if the other two say different. He’s also saying the rift between RA and NZR is beat up, which seems at odds with what is happening, but as I think they need each other they will find some middle ground, well you’d hope so anyway
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Zakar wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:44 am
ArnoldVDH wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:17 am Looks like NZR knew all along about the Rugby Championship end date of 12 December and that they'd agreed to it.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/int ... ampionship
:lol:

They are so out of their depth.
Can't say I'm at all surprised
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jambanja wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:00 am
Enzedder wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 6:52 am
UncleFB wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:56 am Are we going to get to see these minutes? Are they approved minutes or just draft?

Surely this meeting was on Zoom so there'll be a video record of it. The Australia-Sanzaar cabal should just leak the video as well.
I am also still waiting - and I am hoping that this record has been approved and verified by all parties.

I bet they haven't
Brent Impey has just been on TVNZ denying it, problem for NZR is they can’t prove it wasn’t agreed on especially if the other two say different. He’s also saying the rift between RA and NZR is beat up, which seems at odds with what is happening, but as I think they need each other they will find some middle ground, well you’d hope so anyway
They can't, but neither can the other two - unless they release the Zoom recording.

Release the Zoom Cut.
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Zakar wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:25 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:14 am
Zakar wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:09 am Every level? Our u20s and u18s thrashed your teams last year, and we're reigning Olympic champions.

We're on the way up, you're on the way down.
Three Super Rugby titles in 26 seasons, no Bledisloe Cup series wins since 2003 and the Wallabies are currently ranked a pathetic 7th. Throw in a broke national union and a casual CEO on his L Plates, and yet you're here on this thread boasting about how well Australian Rugby is going. Pathetic. But don't let me disrupt your gleeful online pile on.
Exactly, we're on the way up, like Space X. You're on the way down like Challenger.
Maybe more so Columbia. Coming in hot on re-entry.
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When did NZR and their blind acolytes become the GOP?
If it wasn’t so funny, it would be outrageous.

I’m certain that zoom evidence would be dismissed as a Wuhan deep fake. If Robbo admits he lied, we all have kiwis insisting he was joking, and besides, he’s part of the globalist, Soros conspiracy to bring down the All Blacks and replace them with communist gays.
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It's a giant conspiracy to stop a few athletes spending Christmas at home! Wake up sheeple!
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The latest - DT is not my usual go to but this is an interesting article with a bit in there for everyone....https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport ... 7e80a80bfc
New Zealand defiance over length of The Rugby Championship threatens to cancel competition
Jamie Pandaram, The Daily Telegraph
October 1, 2020 5:54pm

NZR chairman Brent Impey, who is also chairman of SANZAAR, reiterated the Kiwis’ position on Thursday by saying they never agreed to the December 12 match against the Wallabies that is set to conclude the tournament in Sydney, because it would force All Blacks players to remain quarantined in a hotel on Christmas Day.

New Zealand media reported that “minutes” of a SANZAAR meeting on September 17 showed Kiwi officials were aware of the six-week draw announcement.

News Corp has now seen the papers.

They are notes of a meeting between SANZAAR chief executives, including NZR chief Mark Robinson, that states: “The draw as presented to the competition’s working group earlier for a six-week competition was accepted”.

In that meeting, Robinson resolved to push the New Zealand government to wind back their mandatory 14-day quarantine rules to 10 days.

The draw’s announcement was to have been made on September 21, but was pushed back three days at the request of the Kiwis.

On September 24, NZR emailed SANZAAR partners saying they did not agree to the six-week tournament, however the other nations and NSW government officials were standing by to make the announcement of the draw from November 7 to December 12.

Impey was not part of that September 17 meeting when consensus was reached, and slammed the report citing the “minutes” of the SANZAAR meeting.

“It says a six-week draw was agreed by all, I can tell you that it wasn’t,” Impey said.

“We know that, and Rugby Australia and SANZAAR know that, because we kept telling them right up until the time they announced the draw.

“The notes also quite clearly refer to an impasse, and there are many emails that prove this.

“So our position has never changed.

“Our focus is on trying to get the TRC issue sorted, and we’re not going to bother to engage in tit for tat on so-called notes, which weren’t minutes, and weren’t board minutes either.

“So we do challenge those that have made comments concerning NZR’s integrity, we defend our position, and we’re firm in it.

“As chair of SANZAAR, the last board meeting of SANZAAR was August 4th, there have been no quote minutes provided from any of the exco (executive council) meetings, including a telephone conversation or group of the CEOs that have been brought to the SANZAAR board relating to any meeting on the 17th of September.

“There are emails I’ve seen that show New Zealand was never committed to a December 12 date, and tried to work through solutions. It’s also been confirmed that New Zealand never agreed to a December 12 match in Australia, that is my honest view.

“I do believe the question should be more directed at the party that leaked those so-called minutes – which aren’t that at all – they’re someone’s notes of a meeting.”

With Impey stating NZR is working to find “alternatives” for that final game, and not play on December 12 as broadcasters of TRC expect, there is a danger the tournament could collapse.

“The issue around December 12 to try to find an alternative is a priority,” Impey said.

Impey said paying the All Blacks players extra money to play on December 12 “is not a consideration”.

Under SANZAAR’s operating structure, any change to a tournament schedule must have unanimous approval from all four unions.

South Africa and Argentina already voted against a five-week tournament and are unlikely to change their mind at this late stage.

So if New Zealand stands alone in requesting a five-week competition – which would lose serious money from broadcasters who have paid for six weekends of double-header games – the tournament may not proceed.

It appears, if the situation is not resolved, the Kiwis will rely on paperwork technicalities to show there was never unanimous support at the SANZAAR chair level for the six-week draw in order to escape any financial liability sought by the other three unions.

The SANZAAR alliance works at three levels: the SANZAAR board meetings, which involves the chairs and CEOS; the SANZAAR CEO’s meeting with just the chiefs - this is the one that took place on September 17 - and; the SANZAAR working group.

New Zealand is quickly running out of excuses to justify their stance on The Rugby Championship draw, with numerous sources confirming SANZAAR never agreed to a five-week tournament.

While New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said publicly last week that there was an agreement for a five-week tournament that would end on December 5 – allowing the All Blacks to return to their homes after quarantine before Christmas Day – her staff will now be keen to see proof.

Kiwi media outlet NewsHub cited SANZAAR meeting minutes that show New Zealand Rugby was aware of the six-week proposal before it was announced.

News Corp Australia has been told this is accurate, and the Kiwis were fully briefed – NZR chairman Brent Impey is also chairman of SANZAAR.

Rugby Australia voted in favour of the five-week proposal requested by New Zealand, but South Africa and Argentina rejected it because they felt six games in five weeks worked against player welfare guidelines for their Test stars.

All broadcasters involved expressed a desire for weekend games – they feel midweek matches will not rate as well – so the six-week tournament format was drafted to be held in Australia from November 7 to December 12.

Yet since its announcement, Kiwi officials have stated they were blindsided and won’t abide by the draw because All Blacks players would be forced to quarantine on Christmas Day under New Zealand’s 14-day mandatory COVID-19 rules.

RA chairman Hamish McLennan told Sky Sport’s that relations between Australia and New Zealand was at its “lowest ebb” earlier this week. But NZR chief executive Mark Robinson dismissed that.

“I think it’s a bit of bluster, to be honest,” Robinson said.

“Clearly they’ve got a strategy and a narrative that they want to portray. We don’t operate like that but we respect the fact that they want to.

“We’ll carry on engaging about the future opportunities with them and just have to largely get on with our own business and ignore some of the things that are being said like that.”

All Blacks captain Sam Cane and coach Ian Foster have said this week they were shocked by the draw announcement and will not accept it.

Robinson added: “The players, management and ourselves are all completely aligned. This has to be sorted out ASAP.

“We’ll be working through that later this evening and tomorrow and try and bring it to a resolution as soon as possible.”

But informed sources said there will be no change to the Rugby Championship draw, leaving two options; the All Blacks boycott the final match on December 12, or the Kiwi government relaxes their quarantine rules within weeks to ensure the players are not locked in hotels on Christmas Day.
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kiwigreg369 wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:19 pm The latest - DT is not my usual go to but this is an interesting article with a bit in there for everyone....https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport ... 7e80a80bfc
New Zealand defiance over length of The Rugby Championship threatens to cancel competition
Jamie Pandaram, The Daily Telegraph
October 1, 2020 5:54pm

NZR chairman Brent Impey, who is also chairman of SANZAAR, reiterated the Kiwis’ position on Thursday by saying they never agreed to the December 12 match against the Wallabies that is set to conclude the tournament in Sydney, because it would force All Blacks players to remain quarantined in a hotel on Christmas Day.

New Zealand media reported that “minutes” of a SANZAAR meeting on September 17 showed Kiwi officials were aware of the six-week draw announcement.

News Corp has now seen the papers.

They are notes of a meeting between SANZAAR chief executives, including NZR chief Mark Robinson, that states: “The draw as presented to the competition’s working group earlier for a six-week competition was accepted”.

In that meeting, Robinson resolved to push the New Zealand government to wind back their mandatory 14-day quarantine rules to 10 days.

The draw’s announcement was to have been made on September 21, but was pushed back three days at the request of the Kiwis.

On September 24, NZR emailed SANZAAR partners saying they did not agree to the six-week tournament, however the other nations and NSW government officials were standing by to make the announcement of the draw from November 7 to December 12.

Impey was not part of that September 17 meeting when consensus was reached, and slammed the report citing the “minutes” of the SANZAAR meeting.

“It says a six-week draw was agreed by all, I can tell you that it wasn’t,” Impey said.

“We know that, and Rugby Australia and SANZAAR know that, because we kept telling them right up until the time they announced the draw.

“The notes also quite clearly refer to an impasse, and there are many emails that prove this.

“So our position has never changed.

“Our focus is on trying to get the TRC issue sorted, and we’re not going to bother to engage in tit for tat on so-called notes, which weren’t minutes, and weren’t board minutes either.

“So we do challenge those that have made comments concerning NZR’s integrity, we defend our position, and we’re firm in it.

“As chair of SANZAAR, the last board meeting of SANZAAR was August 4th, there have been no quote minutes provided from any of the exco (executive council) meetings, including a telephone conversation or group of the CEOs that have been brought to the SANZAAR board relating to any meeting on the 17th of September.

“There are emails I’ve seen that show New Zealand was never committed to a December 12 date, and tried to work through solutions. It’s also been confirmed that New Zealand never agreed to a December 12 match in Australia, that is my honest view.

“I do believe the question should be more directed at the party that leaked those so-called minutes – which aren’t that at all – they’re someone’s notes of a meeting.”

With Impey stating NZR is working to find “alternatives” for that final game, and not play on December 12 as broadcasters of TRC expect, there is a danger the tournament could collapse.

“The issue around December 12 to try to find an alternative is a priority,” Impey said.

Impey said paying the All Blacks players extra money to play on December 12 “is not a consideration”.

Under SANZAAR’s operating structure, any change to a tournament schedule must have unanimous approval from all four unions.

South Africa and Argentina already voted against a five-week tournament and are unlikely to change their mind at this late stage.

So if New Zealand stands alone in requesting a five-week competition – which would lose serious money from broadcasters who have paid for six weekends of double-header games – the tournament may not proceed.

It appears, if the situation is not resolved, the Kiwis will rely on paperwork technicalities to show there was never unanimous support at the SANZAAR chair level for the six-week draw in order to escape any financial liability sought by the other three unions.

The SANZAAR alliance works at three levels: the SANZAAR board meetings, which involves the chairs and CEOS; the SANZAAR CEO’s meeting with just the chiefs - this is the one that took place on September 17 - and; the SANZAAR working group.

New Zealand is quickly running out of excuses to justify their stance on The Rugby Championship draw, with numerous sources confirming SANZAAR never agreed to a five-week tournament.

While New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said publicly last week that there was an agreement for a five-week tournament that would end on December 5 – allowing the All Blacks to return to their homes after quarantine before Christmas Day – her staff will now be keen to see proof.

Kiwi media outlet NewsHub cited SANZAAR meeting minutes that show New Zealand Rugby was aware of the six-week proposal before it was announced.

News Corp Australia has been told this is accurate, and the Kiwis were fully briefed – NZR chairman Brent Impey is also chairman of SANZAAR.

Rugby Australia voted in favour of the five-week proposal requested by New Zealand, but South Africa and Argentina rejected it because they felt six games in five weeks worked against player welfare guidelines for their Test stars.

All broadcasters involved expressed a desire for weekend games – they feel midweek matches will not rate as well – so the six-week tournament format was drafted to be held in Australia from November 7 to December 12.

Yet since its announcement, Kiwi officials have stated they were blindsided and won’t abide by the draw because All Blacks players would be forced to quarantine on Christmas Day under New Zealand’s 14-day mandatory COVID-19 rules.

RA chairman Hamish McLennan told Sky Sport’s that relations between Australia and New Zealand was at its “lowest ebb” earlier this week. But NZR chief executive Mark Robinson dismissed that.

“I think it’s a bit of bluster, to be honest,” Robinson said.

“Clearly they’ve got a strategy and a narrative that they want to portray. We don’t operate like that but we respect the fact that they want to.

“We’ll carry on engaging about the future opportunities with them and just have to largely get on with our own business and ignore some of the things that are being said like that.”

All Blacks captain Sam Cane and coach Ian Foster have said this week they were shocked by the draw announcement and will not accept it.

Robinson added: “The players, management and ourselves are all completely aligned. This has to be sorted out ASAP.

“We’ll be working through that later this evening and tomorrow and try and bring it to a resolution as soon as possible.”

But informed sources said there will be no change to the Rugby Championship draw, leaving two options; the All Blacks boycott the final match on December 12, or the Kiwi government relaxes their quarantine rules within weeks to ensure the players are not locked in hotels on Christmas Day.
The words "piss up" and "brewery" comes to mind
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Of course the reason we are still even considering playing Rugby in mid-December is because international sports is still banned in South Africa and half the Pumas squad have covid-19. But it's all NZR's fault :roll:
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Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:59 pm Of course the reason we are still even considering playing Rugby in mid-December is because international sports is still banned in South Africa and half the Pumas squad have covid-19. But it's all NZR's fault :roll:
Agreed, but they should at least be able to agree a tournament, and once agreed, not have a public spat over it.
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Mog The Almighty wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:23 am It's a giant conspiracy to stop a few athletes spending Christmas at home! Wake up sheeple!
Very insensitive to mention Sheeple in a thread with kiwis. The existence of sheep human hybrids is a great national shame to our cousins across the ditch.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:59 pm Of course the reason we are still even considering playing Rugby in mid-December is because international sports is still banned in South Africa and half the Pumas squad have covid-19. But it's all NZR's fault :roll:
I don't think they're saying its NZRs fault, what they are saying is that NZR have been dishonest throughout this sorry saga, these claims of being "blindsided" by the draw are nothing but bullshit, they all knew there was a 6 week comp on the cards, NZR didn't like it but Robinson thought he could get the 14 day quarantine period relaxed...he couldn't and now the backtracking and "blindsided" comments are being thrown about
They are notes of a meeting between SANZAAR chief executives, including NZR chief Mark Robinson, that states: “The draw as presented to the competition’s working group earlier for a six-week competition was accepted”.

In that meeting, Robinson resolved to push the New Zealand government to wind back their mandatory 14-day quarantine rules to 10 days.
Impey doubling down and saying that he knows for a fact that there wasn't a consensus reached is quite telling as he wasn't even at the meeting where the consensus was reached, it's like he's taking all his cues from one W Peters
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Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:59 pm Of course the reason we are still even considering playing Rugby in mid-December is because international sports is still banned in South Africa and half the Pumas squad have covid-19. But it's all NZR's fault :roll:
You lot knew the situation prior to sitting down on a comp with Arg and SA, your union has handled it poorly.
Drop out of the last round will go down badly for NZ and theY wont be trusted by the international community again.
Gov needs to relax restrictions, not sure why this is so hard for the "All Blacks" in a country that puts them on a pedestal above all others.
Bunch of whiners just get on with it
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It's such a badly written article by the DT it's wonderful.

My favour component is:
Meeting Notes vs. notes of the meeting
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What's everyones gut feeling as to what will happen?

Mine is that there is too much money at stake for the 4 unions and the tournament will happen.
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mdaclarke wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:30 pm What's everyones gut feeling as to what will happen?

Mine is that there is too much money at stake for the 4 unions and the tournament will happen.
It will go ahead, Kiwis are trying to find a way to not lose face.
Much scrambling by NZR between NZ gov and the players right now.
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grievous wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:33 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:30 pm What's everyones gut feeling as to what will happen?

Mine is that there is too much money at stake for the 4 unions and the tournament will happen.
It will go ahead, Kiwis are trying to find a way to not lose face.
Much scrambling by NZR between NZ gov and the players right now.
That's been my view here - suck it up and get it done.
The biggest risk in my mind is not NZ, rather SA, and to lesser extent Arg, not going ahead.
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kiwigreg369 wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:35 pm
grievous wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:33 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:30 pm What's everyones gut feeling as to what will happen?

Mine is that there is too much money at stake for the 4 unions and the tournament will happen.
It will go ahead, Kiwis are trying to find a way to not lose face.
Much scrambling by NZR between NZ gov and the players right now.
That's been my view here - suck it up and get it done.
The biggest risk in my mind is not NZ, rather SA, and to lesser extent Arg, not going ahead.
But surely the Boks need the cash too?
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kiwigreg369 wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:35 pm
grievous wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:33 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:30 pm What's everyones gut feeling as to what will happen?

Mine is that there is too much money at stake for the 4 unions and the tournament will happen.
It will go ahead, Kiwis are trying to find a way to not lose face.
Much scrambling by NZR between NZ gov and the players right now.
That's been my view here - suck it up and get it done.
The biggest risk in my mind is not NZ, rather SA, and to lesser extent Arg, not going ahead.
Agreed, and even if they do, it will most likely be a "development squad", either way they are going to get smashed and the whole thing is going to go off like a damp squib, both SA and Arg have had absolutely no rugby to speak of and they're about to go up against battle hardened AB's and Wallabies.
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jambanja wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:39 pm
kiwigreg369 wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:35 pm
grievous wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:33 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:30 pm What's everyones gut feeling as to what will happen?

Mine is that there is too much money at stake for the 4 unions and the tournament will happen.
It will go ahead, Kiwis are trying to find a way to not lose face.
Much scrambling by NZR between NZ gov and the players right now.
That's been my view here - suck it up and get it done.
The biggest risk in my mind is not NZ, rather SA, and to lesser extent Arg, not going ahead.
Agreed, and even if they do, it will most likely be a "development squad", either way they are going to get smashed and the whole thing is going to go off like a damp squib, both SA and Arg have had absolutely no rugby to speak of and they're about to go up against battle hardened AB's and Wallabies.
Doesnt SA have some domestic rugby under their belt. It would be worse for them if they miss this tournament. Sending a development squad makes no sense.
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grievous wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 12:41 am
jambanja wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:39 pm
kiwigreg369 wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:35 pm
grievous wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:33 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:30 pm What's everyones gut feeling as to what will happen?

Mine is that there is too much money at stake for the 4 unions and the tournament will happen.
It will go ahead, Kiwis are trying to find a way to not lose face.
Much scrambling by NZR between NZ gov and the players right now.
That's been my view here - suck it up and get it done.
The biggest risk in my mind is not NZ, rather SA, and to lesser extent Arg, not going ahead.
Agreed, and even if they do, it will most likely be a "development squad", either way they are going to get smashed and the whole thing is going to go off like a damp squib, both SA and Arg have had absolutely no rugby to speak of and they're about to go up against battle hardened AB's and Wallabies.
Doesnt SA have some domestic rugby under their belt. It would be worse for them if they miss this tournament. Sending a development squad makes no sense.
The first games were last weekend, hardly the ideal lead in, meanwhile AUs a s Nz have already done a full domestic SR and NZ are now playing the Mitre 10 cup, the All Blacks have had a trot in that too, plus they will have two Bledisloe matches as a very nice warm up, the odds couldn’t be more stacked
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