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Fruit and Nutt wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:34 pm
towny wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:24 pm
Fruit and Nutt wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:12 pm
Dark wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:33 am Though smaller, probably Gregan and Marshall when it comes to half backs

Most soldiers in the SAS are usually on the smaller side - 5' 7-10" sort of range, about 75kgs, so in terms of what rugby players would likely be good candidates for selection, it would be mainly half-backs and smaller outside backs.
Oh, the British SAS are all small dudes? Because that is somehow an advantage for their terrorism role?

In my experience 5’9” is also the average height for non-SAS soldiers. It’s also the average height of UK men. I wonder what to make of this...


You'd more likely pass selection if you were 3" under the average height than if you were 3" above it. Being big is a distinct disadvantage in special ops. Something the Americans learned the hard way fighting the NVA.
Is that so?

So US SF are now small guys as well?
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towny wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:40 pm
Fruit and Nutt wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:34 pm
towny wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:24 pm
Fruit and Nutt wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:12 pm
Dark wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:33 am Though smaller, probably Gregan and Marshall when it comes to half backs

Most soldiers in the SAS are usually on the smaller side - 5' 7-10" sort of range, about 75kgs, so in terms of what rugby players would likely be good candidates for selection, it would be mainly half-backs and smaller outside backs.
Oh, the British SAS are all small dudes? Because that is somehow an advantage for their terrorism role?

In my experience 5’9” is also the average height for non-SAS soldiers. It’s also the average height of UK men. I wonder what to make of this...


You'd more likely pass selection if you were 3" under the average height than if you were 3" above it. Being big is a distinct disadvantage in special ops. Something the Americans learned the hard way fighting the NVA.
Is that so?

So US SF are now small guys as well?


I never said they were small, they are likely not big though.
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Based on an assumption or have you read something or seen them for yourself?
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towny wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:39 pm :lol:

So the reason test rugby blokes wouldn’t make the SAS is because they’re too big and strong, and the selection criteria places a premium on uniformity with the average male.

No. The selection process produces the uniformity.

I never said they weren't strong.
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Fruit and Nutt wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:50 pm
towny wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:39 pm :lol:

So the reason test rugby blokes wouldn’t make the SAS is because they’re too big and strong, and the selection criteria places a premium on uniformity with the average male.

No. The selection process produces the uniformity.

I never said they weren't strong.
How does it produce it??
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towny wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:51 pm
Fruit and Nutt wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:50 pm
towny wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:39 pm :lol:

So the reason test rugby blokes wouldn’t make the SAS is because they’re too big and strong, and the selection criteria places a premium on uniformity with the average male.

No. The selection process produces the uniformity.

I never said they weren't strong.
How does it produce it??


The Fan dance mainly.
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Fruit and Nutt wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:52 pm
towny wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:51 pm
Fruit and Nutt wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:50 pm
towny wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:39 pm :lol:

So the reason test rugby blokes wouldn’t make the SAS is because they’re too big and strong, and the selection criteria places a premium on uniformity with the average male.

No. The selection process produces the uniformity.

I never said they weren't strong.
How does it produce it??


The Fan dance mainly.
Why don’t you just admit that you learned all this from a cab driver?
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towny wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:54 pm
Fruit and Nutt wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:52 pm
towny wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:51 pm
Fruit and Nutt wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:50 pm
towny wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:39 pm :lol:

So the reason test rugby blokes wouldn’t make the SAS is because they’re too big and strong, and the selection criteria places a premium on uniformity with the average male.

No. The selection process produces the uniformity.

I never said they weren't strong.
How does it produce it??


The Fan dance mainly.
Why don’t you just admit that you learned all this from a cab driver?

:roll:
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Oh no. Maybe this guy served? Maybe he knows stuff?

Maybe he is the cab driver!!!!
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towny wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:25 pm
Bogbunny wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:21 pm
towny wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:20 pm
Willie Falloon wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:09 pm
towny wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:39 pm Why does Ireland even have an army? Is a condition from Facebook or something? Like, have any attempts to invade Ireland failed?
Oh yes, those cowardly Royal Irish soldiers. (Northern Ireland) :uhoh:
Did I say they were cowardly?

The truth is, we simply don’t know if they have courage. They might! 👍


Whoooooosh
:lol:

I luv you guys!
Winnie LOVES him a Brit soldier. Anyway Toga is spot on. The first soldier was 5'8" and ever since then they all have to be that size in case they have to give them a piggy back across a field. Some army one day might sack all the 5'8" lads and restart but what would happen to their allies?
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You know, it’s starting to make sense. 👍
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I would've thought it's all about endurance and climbing.. so it's important to be able to lift your own weight. We are forgetting the mental toughness aspect of it. Most professionals players may kill it in a lot of endurance tests but I'm not so sure about the mental side. Trying to cross the desert or something like that. Also, fighting. Not sure many of them would make it.
Most likely by country.
Aust - Michael Hooper
NZ - TJ Perenara
SA - Cheslin Kolbe
Arg: Juan Manuel Leguizamon
England: Owen Farrell
Wales: Liam Williams
Ireland: Gary Ringrose
Scotland: John Barclay
France: Antonie Dupont
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CrazyIslander wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:04 pm I would've thought it's all about endurance and climbing.. so it's important to be able to lift your own weight. We are forgetting the mental toughness aspect of it. Most professionals players may kill it in a lot of endurance tests but I'm not so sure about the mental side. Trying to cross the desert or something like that. Also, fighting. Not sure many of them would make it.
Most likely by country.
Aust - Michael Hooper
NZ - TJ Perenara
SA - Cheslin Kolbe
Arg: Juan Manuel Leguizamon
England: Owen Farrell
Wales: Liam Williams
Ireland: Gary Ringrose
Scotland: John Barclay
France: Antonie Dupont
Sportsmen are known for their lack of endurance and determination. Fortunately the Tour de France doesn’t accept active service personnel - otherwise it would be dominated by military. Same with all sports I guess.

Rugby players are just lucky that soldiers don’t play rugby.
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towny wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:14 pm
CrazyIslander wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:04 pm I would've thought it's all about endurance and climbing.. so it's important to be able to lift your own weight. We are forgetting the mental toughness aspect of it. Most professionals players may kill it in a lot of endurance tests but I'm not so sure about the mental side. Trying to cross the desert or something like that. Also, fighting. Not sure many of them would make it.
Most likely by country.
Aust - Michael Hooper
NZ - TJ Perenara
SA - Cheslin Kolbe
Arg: Juan Manuel Leguizamon
England: Owen Farrell
Wales: Liam Williams
Ireland: Gary Ringrose
Scotland: John Barclay
France: Antonie Dupont
Sportsmen are known for their lack of endurance and determination. Fortunately the Tour de France doesn’t accept active service personnel - otherwise it would be dominated by military. Same with all sports I guess.

Rugby players are just lucky that soldiers don’t play rugby.
Different, whilst an SAS man may survive a week in the desert, it doesn't mean he can play rugby at a high level. Same token, a rugby player may run carry a 20kg bag for 40 miles better than an SAS but he probably can't survive a desert crossing as his bigger body would weigh him down.
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towny wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:25 pm
Bogbunny wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:21 pm
towny wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:20 pm
Willie Falloon wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:09 pm
towny wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:39 pm Why does Ireland even have an army? Is a condition from Facebook or something? Like, have any attempts to invade Ireland failed?
Oh yes, those cowardly Royal Irish soldiers. (Northern Ireland) :uhoh:
Did I say they were cowardly?

The truth is, we simply don’t know if they have courage. They might! 👍


Whoooooosh
:lol:

I luv you guys!
The Royal Irish regiment, is a regiment of the British army, from Northern Ireland, part of the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9SIe9rImu0

One of the founding members of the SAS was from Northern Ireland and also an Irish rugby international. Woooooosh to you indeed.
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I read somewhere that a good chunk of the UK SAS are from Scotland. Anyone know if that is true?
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Scottish/Northern Irish. Same gene pool really.
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I remember reading somewhere. Cant find the link at the moment, that kiwi SAS don't have to be as big as other SAS force countries given there is so much less likelihood of them having to carry any wounded fellow kiwi SAS out.

They just have to be awesome and look good in camo'
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In my first week in the military, we all told each other fantastic stories and anecdotes about the SAS:
- couldn’t join until you were 21
- they were the the only force the VC truly feared
- they’re allowed to have long hair and beards
- their pack weighs 100+ kg
- they’re actually all thin and wiry
- they’re massive dudes and get issued steroids by the army docs
- etc.

Later we found out it was all true!
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Dark wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:28 am I remember reading somewhere. Cant find the link at the moment, that kiwi SAS don't have to be as big as other SAS force countries given there is so much less likelihood of them having to carry any wounded fellow kiwi SAS out.

They just have to be awesome and look good in camo'
I’ve seen kiwi regular and SF. Pfft.

They don’t look that good in camo. Not f*cking small either!!
My scariest military moment was 30 minutes playing tackle footy on a beach against a dozen of them. In front of people I know.

I still don’t like to talk about it.... :uhoh:
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Dark wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:28 am I remember reading somewhere. Cant find the link at the moment, that kiwi SAS don't have to be as big as other SAS force countries given there is so much less likelihood of them having to carry any wounded fellow kiwi SAS out.

They just have to be awesome and look good in camo'
Err wut?

They die easily?
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Over the years we've had plenty of marines from the local camp play and you can quickly spot who is SBS. The steroetype wiry, below average height, hard as fudge isn't far wrong for most.

Not all are good rugby players but even the bad ones are better than level 7 / 8 and all love the fiz and gym. Ant off the show has been a few times but not played
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Still Not Playing wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:07 pm Over the years we've had plenty of marines from the local camp play and you can quickly spot who is SBS. The steroetype wiry, below average height, hard as fudge isn't far wrong for most.

Not all are good rugby players but even the bad ones are better than level 7 / 8 and all love the fiz and gym. Ant off the show has been a few times but not played
I met an SBS NCO in Perth about 10 years ago. Top bloke. Must have been 6’4” and weighed 110kg. I’ve met others that seemed smallish. But then again, I hear that the talent is getting draw to the more glam SF - good marketing I guess.

Interestingly, Australian SAS are often compared to the SBS. One of them won a medal or something. https://images.app.goo.gl/cLdPjbfqHVJDAkvTA
A bunch play 4th grade in Perth. You can notice them quickly among the obese sloths they play with and against.
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towny wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:15 pm
Must have been 6’4” and weighed 110kg.

:lol:
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Fruit and Nutt wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:03 pm
towny wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:15 pm
Must have been 6’4” and weighed 110kg.

:lol:
Fact.

Tell you what - what do I get if I can prove it? How confident are you? I’m full of sh*t, right?
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On another note, you blokes seem to love the war books - can someone tell me If this is a good one?

https://images.app.goo.gl/gGmCTYqtJKvpZeyT9
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Western soldiers have one big disadvantage - they have something to live for. No matter how skilful they are they're always going to struggle against Afghan goat herders/ Viet Cong rice growers who doesn't care if they die or not.
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Jay Cee Gee wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:22 am Josh Lewsey probably.
Feck off he was a crap hat
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towny wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:15 pm
Still Not Playing wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:07 pm Over the years we've had plenty of marines from the local camp play and you can quickly spot who is SBS. The steroetype wiry, below average height, hard as fudge isn't far wrong for most.

Not all are good rugby players but even the bad ones are better than level 7 / 8 and all love the fiz and gym. Ant off the show has been a few times but not played
I met an SBS NCO in Perth about 10 years ago. Top bloke. Must have been 6’4” and weighed 110kg. I’ve met others that seemed smallish. But then again, I hear that the talent is getting draw to the more glam SF - good marketing I guess.

Interestingly, Australian SAS are often compared to the SBS. One of them won a medal or something. https://images.app.goo.gl/cLdPjbfqHVJDAkvTA
A bunch play 4th grade in Perth. You can notice them quickly among the obese sloths they play with and against.
We used to have Clearance Divers come play at my club.

They were variable in quality of play and size, but they all were insanly fit. We did a mile run as a preseason fitness test, and those boys laughed in low 4minute times.

I wanted to die and I was about 2 minutes behind. Looked good after all my off-season tin lifting though :thumbup:
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Openside wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:29 pm
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:22 am Josh Lewsey probably.
Feck off he was a crap hat
I doubt many will get that reference OS.
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CrazyIslander wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:33 pm Western soldiers have one big disadvantage - they have something to live for. No matter how skilful they are they're always going to struggle against Afghan goat herders/ Viet Cong rice growers who doesn't care if they die or not.
I think what you meant to say, is that regular military forces have historically struggled to win decisive victories over irregular forces. When was the last time the US lost a battle?

As you were.
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obelixtim wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:08 am
Openside wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:29 pm
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:22 am Josh Lewsey probably.
Feck off he was a crap hat
I doubt many will get that reference OS.
I got it. :x

Who the fark thinks that berets are cool anyway? It's a farkin' beret.
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Zakar wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:02 am
towny wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:15 pm
Still Not Playing wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:07 pm Over the years we've had plenty of marines from the local camp play and you can quickly spot who is SBS. The steroetype wiry, below average height, hard as fudge isn't far wrong for most.

Not all are good rugby players but even the bad ones are better than level 7 / 8 and all love the fiz and gym. Ant off the show has been a few times but not played
I met an SBS NCO in Perth about 10 years ago. Top bloke. Must have been 6’4” and weighed 110kg. I’ve met others that seemed smallish. But then again, I hear that the talent is getting draw to the more glam SF - good marketing I guess.

Interestingly, Australian SAS are often compared to the SBS. One of them won a medal or something. https://images.app.goo.gl/cLdPjbfqHVJDAkvTA
A bunch play 4th grade in Perth. You can notice them quickly among the obese sloths they play with and against.
We used to have Clearance Divers come play at my club.

They were variable in quality of play and size, but they all were insanly fit. We did a mile run as a preseason fitness test, and those boys laughed in low 4minute times.

I wanted to die and I was about 2 minutes behind. Looked good after all my off-season tin lifting though :thumbup:
Whoah!!! You mean…. special forces guys were the same range in heights as normal humans? I don't know what to make of this. Were there any over 175cm??? I hear this isn't possible because that's apparently the only weight that allows men to carry Heavy things over long distances.
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towny wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:22 pm On another note, you blokes seem to love the war books - can someone tell me If this is a good one?

https://images.app.goo.gl/gGmCTYqtJKvpZeyT9
Hello?! Guys?!

What happened?!
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CrazyIslander wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:33 pm Western soldiers have one big disadvantage - they have something to live for. No matter how skilful they are they're always going to struggle against Afghan goat herders/ Viet Cong rice growers who doesn't care if they die or not.
Never met a Vietnamese rice grower who didn't care if they died or not. (disclaimer: none of them were in the Viet Cong at the time)
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towny wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:33 am
Zakar wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:02 am
towny wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:15 pm
Still Not Playing wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:07 pm Over the years we've had plenty of marines from the local camp play and you can quickly spot who is SBS. The steroetype wiry, below average height, hard as fudge isn't far wrong for most.

Not all are good rugby players but even the bad ones are better than level 7 / 8 and all love the fiz and gym. Ant off the show has been a few times but not played
I met an SBS NCO in Perth about 10 years ago. Top bloke. Must have been 6’4” and weighed 110kg. I’ve met others that seemed smallish. But then again, I hear that the talent is getting draw to the more glam SF - good marketing I guess.

Interestingly, Australian SAS are often compared to the SBS. One of them won a medal or something. https://images.app.goo.gl/cLdPjbfqHVJDAkvTA
A bunch play 4th grade in Perth. You can notice them quickly among the obese sloths they play with and against.
We used to have Clearance Divers come play at my club.

They were variable in quality of play and size, but they all were insanly fit. We did a mile run as a preseason fitness test, and those boys laughed in low 4minute times.

I wanted to die and I was about 2 minutes behind. Looked good after all my off-season tin lifting though :thumbup:
Whoah!!! You mean…. special forces guys were the same range in heights as normal humans? I don't know what to make of this. Were there any over 175cm??? I hear this isn't possible because that's apparently the only weight that allows men to carry Heavy things over long distances.
:lol:

Have to have a few #8 types to carry the FN MAG
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Jason Rutledge and perhaps McCaw.
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I used to play rugby for Luctonians in Herefordshire and in the 3s we had a few lads from Hereford play for us. Two extremes were 1 bloke who would have be 5 foot 6 ish and weighed approx 9 stone, run from the camp to the ground about 20 miles (this is when the camp was in the city not Credenhill) play and then run back to camp. And he was bloody rubbish. Scrum half who couldn’t pass, kick or tackle. Another was a 6 foot 3 Fijian whose weight fluctuated depending on deployment. He was once punched square in the face and then just turned to his assailant and very calmly and politely asked him not to do that again. The colour drained from the punchers face at this point.
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mr bungle wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:43 am Jason Rutledge and perhaps McCaw.
Cabbage a bit slow ... but right height , Goat is far too good looking
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towny wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:31 am
obelixtim wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:08 am
Openside wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:29 pm
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:22 am Josh Lewsey probably.
Feck off he was a crap hat
I doubt many will get that reference OS.
I got it. :x

Who the fark thinks that berets are cool anyway? It's a farkin' beret.
So, what is a crap hat, and who calls others crap hats then.
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