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Lack of game time should have no influence on their decision, the Pumas are here and ready to go with the same lack of game time.
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UncleFB wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:34 pm Lack of game time should have no influence on their decision, the Pumas are here and ready to go with the same lack of game time.
That's just an excuse. And a terrible one at that. This is all about spite. Spite and retribution for NZ and Australia disbanding the loss-making Super Rugby format, despite South Africa having already negotiated to join the Pro18.
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ox wagon wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:14 pm
Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:37 pm
sunnybanana wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:32 pm :lol:
You find dishonesty and shame funny?
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The lack of game time argument is a convenient excuse. They have already played 3 games so far, add in an in-house game while in quarantine and the 1st round match against an even more underdone Argentinian side and that's 5 games before playing Australia. Not ideal but it's hardly dire either. SRA and SRAU teams were all looking good after 3-4 rounds so it could have been achieved.
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Zakar wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:34 pm
sorCrer wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:41 pm
Zakar wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:34 pm It's a fitting act for a rugby organisation whose most celebrated tournament is called Craven Week.

They've proven they can be craven for a whole year.
Serious question, Zakar. Which RWC final Boks can make it?
Irrelevant question. Only 2/15 of our starters from the last rwc started versus the ABs.

The Boks are supposed to represent the best that SA can put out. That means some times you will have lean years. Just because you can't put out the same team that won 2019 doesn't mean you should hide under your bed like a frightened child.
False equivalence given the reasons for the change in personnel but that’s not the actual issue anyway.
It’s about the lack of preparation due to factors beyond their control. Very easy to point fingers when your country has managed to avoid much of the shit storm that others are dealing with and complete a full domestic competition.
It’s also got nothing to do with fear. It’s about being realistic about the Boks’ readiness to compete. It will do SA no good sending over 40+ players to lose a bunch of games whilst, at the same time, devaluing the domestic competition which has just got underway.
Financial considerations are the only argument for participation and I’ve seen little more than wild speculation about what’s actually at stake in this regard.
It’s been apparent from the outset that SA’s participation was in doubt. It had never been confirmed.
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Mr Mike wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:45 pm
ox wagon wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:14 pm
Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:37 pm
sunnybanana wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:32 pm :lol:
You find dishonesty and shame funny?
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Lethal Weapon 2 - the dirty safa's attempting to kill the good guy (who just happens to be black and applying to immigrant to SA).
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This has been brewing for quite a few years. Of course the Saffas have to make it happen in a distasteful manner and burn several bridges in the process. It’s their way.
Organise Japan for next year and have a 4 team RC.

They can go without an international comp and beg test series for the next 4-5 years.
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sunnybanana wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:56 pm
Zakar wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:34 pm
sorCrer wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:41 pm
Zakar wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:34 pm It's a fitting act for a rugby organisation whose most celebrated tournament is called Craven Week.

They've proven they can be craven for a whole year.
Serious question, Zakar. Which RWC final Boks can make it?
Irrelevant question. Only 2/15 of our starters from the last rwc started versus the ABs.

The Boks are supposed to represent the best that SA can put out. That means some times you will have lean years. Just because you can't put out the same team that won 2019 doesn't mean you should hide under your bed like a frightened child.
False equivalence given the reasons for the change in personnel but that’s not the actual issue anyway.
It’s about the lack of preparation due to factors beyond their control. Very easy to point fingers when your country has managed to avoid much of the shit storm that others are dealing with and complete a full domestic competition.
It’s also got nothing to do with fear. It’s about being realistic about the Boks’ readiness to compete. It will do SA no good sending over 40+ players to lose a bunch of games whilst, at the same time, devaluing the domestic competition which has just got underway.
Financial considerations are the only argument for participation and I’ve seen little more than wild speculation about what’s actually at stake in this regard.
It’s been apparent from the outset that SA’s participation was in doubt. It had never been confirmed.
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Olo wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:25 pm This has been brewing for quite a few years. Of course the Saffas have to make it happen in a distasteful manner and burn several bridges in the process. It’s their way.
Organise Japan for next year and have a 4 team RC.

They can go without an international comp and beg test series for the next 4-5 years.
Yep vote them out of the house
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When will the official decision come out? At this rate the tournament will have finished before we’ve heard if the Springboks are coming or not.
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It’s now a tri nations comp
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Tri-Nations Match Schedule 2020

October 31: Australia v New Zealand (ANZ Stadium, Sydney)

November 7: Australia v New Zealand (Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane)

November 14: New Zealand v Argentina (Bankwest Stadium, Sydney)

November 21: Argentina v Australia (McDonald Jones Stadium, Newcastle)

November 28: Argentina v New Zealand (McDonald Jones Stadium, Newcastle)

December 5: Australia v Argentina (Bankwest Stadium, Sydney)
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Mr Mike wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:35 am
Tri-Nations Match Schedule 2020

October 31: Australia v New Zealand (ANZ Stadium, Sydney)

November 7: Australia v New Zealand (Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane)

November 14: New Zealand v Argentina (Bankwest Stadium, Sydney)

November 21: Argentina v Australia (McDonald Jones Stadium, Newcastle)

November 28: Argentina v New Zealand (McDonald Jones Stadium, Newcastle)

December 5: Australia v Argentina (Bankwest Stadium, Sydney)
Flights from NZ start today, have yourself a rugby holiday NZ.
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Olo wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:16 am It’s now a tri nations comp
The captains better hit the weight room. Wait till they see the size of the trophy.
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Just when you thought the NZR was the biggest bunch of cvnts around the Saffas (SARU) have to go and take that too! :lol:
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Brumbie_Steve wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:13 am
Olo wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:16 am It’s now a tri nations comp
The captains better hit the weight room. Wait till they see the size of the trophy.
Good story behind the original trophy.

They should have kept it.
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How could any Saffa even try to pretend their union did the right thing? You made an agreement then realised you will get smashed and went running
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GotheCanes wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:00 am How could any Saffa even try to pretend their union did the right thing? You made an agreement then realised you will get smashed and went running
:yawn:

They didn’t make an agreement. There was never an obligation for them to take part.

Andy Marinos, over a month ago:

https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/boks-rugb ... icipation/
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sunnybanana wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:11 am
GotheCanes wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:00 am How could any Saffa even try to pretend their union did the right thing? You made an agreement then realised you will get smashed and went running
:yawn:

They didn’t make an agreement. There was never an obligation for them to take part.

Andy Marinos, over a month ago:

https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/boks-rugb ... icipation/
They requested schedule changes.......which were made :roll:
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Olo wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:28 am
sunnybanana wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:11 am
GotheCanes wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:00 am How could any Saffa even try to pretend their union did the right thing? You made an agreement then realised you will get smashed and went running
:yawn:

They didn’t make an agreement. There was never an obligation for them to take part.

Andy Marinos, over a month ago:

https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/boks-rugb ... icipation/
They requested schedule changes.......which were made :roll:
:?

So what? Are you suggesting they had no right to negotiate prior to making a final decision?
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sunnybanana wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:31 am
Olo wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:28 am
sunnybanana wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:11 am
GotheCanes wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:00 am How could any Saffa even try to pretend their union did the right thing? You made an agreement then realised you will get smashed and went running
:yawn:

They didn’t make an agreement. There was never an obligation for them to take part.

Andy Marinos, over a month ago:

https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/boks-rugb ... icipation/
They requested schedule changes.......which were made :roll:
:?

So what? Are you suggesting they had no right to negotiate prior to making a final decision?
No, he's saying they requested schedule changes, the changes were made and the SARU still backed out with a lame arse excuse. Pretty shite for the supporters and I daresay the players who I'm guessing would've been looking forward to it.
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sunnybanana wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:11 am
GotheCanes wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:00 am How could any Saffa even try to pretend their union did the right thing? You made an agreement then realised you will get smashed and went running
:yawn:

They didn’t make an agreement. There was never an obligation for them to take part.

Andy Marinos, over a month ago:

https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/boks-rugb ... icipation/
Sanzaar CEO Andy Marinos says the Springboks’ participation in the 2020 Rugby Championship was still to be confirmed, dependant on several factors outside its control.

It was confirmed on Friday that Australia would be hosting the 2020 edition of the tournament, which had initially looked likely to be played in New Zealand.

The tournament will comprise a six-week, 12-match, ‘home and away’ tournament involving Argentina, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa.

However, with domestic rugby yet to return in South Africa, the Springboks still have to get the green light to confirm their participation in the tournament.

Given that Australia and New Zealand have already held their own domestic versions of Super Rugby, there is a danger that the Springboks could go into the Rugby Championship underprepared, as the defending champions would expect to have to depart by 18 October to fulfil a two-week quarantine in Australia, even if they can train together during this time.

Marinos said that South Africa’s participation remained to be confirmed as it was dependent on several factors outside the control of Sanzaar.

‘The progress and impact of the pandemic has varied from country-to-country and international sporting competition is currently suspended in South Africa,’ he said.

‘The Springboks’ participation will be dependent on the relaxation of that suspension as well as overcoming a number of other logistical challenges including the opening of international air borders. South Africa is only expected to return to competitive play next month [October], leaving a relatively short time to prepare.
So at the time he was talking about factors beyond their control the preparedness (or lack of) of their players was already known. The fact NZ and Aus had played domestic comps was already known. They should have said yes or no at that point on those grounds.

Plus what has international sporting competition being banned in South Africa got to do with it. They are going to Australia and as people are allowed into South Africa they can quarantine when they get back. It just looks like they have realised they are going to get smashed and don't fancy it.
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What a bunch of pussies the Boks are, saying they don't want to tarnish the World cup win by losing to the All Blacks, they lose to the All Blacks every year ha ha pussies.


They will get hammered by the Lions next year, then will pull out the excuse of we Haven't played many tests.

England is the best team in the world, Boks met a tired english team in the final.
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So Rassie is a 400 min guy. Heaven help if he plays a player before that have 400 min against another team (assume that means against a team that has - otherwise you'd never start).

And NZ should definitely not ease ScoBa in - not done 400 mins, or lumpy.

And how will SA achieve 400 mins before the Lions?
No Super rugby
Currie cup starts afterwards

Do you have to play in Europe now to play for SA?

I still think they're throwing 'player safety' back at Andy M (no sympathy) but they did enter deep into these discussions and planning - when they did not have good intentions to fulfil any commitments.
I'm sure the Aussies will have the minutes to prove it.
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Were their europe based players selected for this given they're already playing?

Or are they similar to the all whites who cited players losing club contracts because when the returned they would have to quarantine and miss too much action?
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kiwigreg369 wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:40 am So Rassie is a 400 min guy. Heaven help if he plays a player before that have 400 min against another team (assume that means against a team that has - otherwise you'd never start).

And NZ should definitely not ease ScoBa in - not done 400 mins, or lumpy.

And how will SA achieve 400 mins before the Lions?
No Super rugby
Currie cup starts afterwards

Do you have to play in Europe now to play for SA?

I still think they're throwing 'player safety' back at Andy M (no sympathy) but they did enter deep into these discussions and planning - when they did not have good intentions to fulfil any commitments.
I'm sure the Aussies will have the minutes to prove it.
I read they're negotiating for SA based teams to play in the Pro 14 in the new year.
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As a rugby fan I’m a little, not a lot disappointed that this has happened. I have always advocated that the RC be abandoned for 2020 for a number of reasons
Firstly, if it had been it would mean the domestic comps, Mitre 10 and Currie Cup would be full of the best players, making those comps that much more fun and interesting
Secondly the RC was always going to be contested between the ABs and the Wallabies, the Boks and Pumas never really had a look in
Playing under prepared sides does nothing to add value to the game, no one likes watching a one sided affair...well apart, perhaps for those calling for Japan to join the RC, because that will be real fun, watching 3 other countries beat the crap out of one side, can anyone say Sunwolves :roll:
SANZAR fudgeed up big time and went for the short term $ rather than play the long game, I have a feeling it was the Arg, RA, NZR crew that were driving this, such was their desperation for the filthy lucre.
Rugby is struggling against other sporting codes and the decision to play the RC come what may has set them back big time, 3 possibly even 4( too many imop ) Bledisloe games would have been good value and left fans wanting more...next year, but no they had to wring every last $ to stay afloat and in the process have ended up doing potentially irreparable damage

To AC and his buddy Grievy etal saying the Boks will pay for this by not having anyone to play against...really, how do you think Test rugby goes without one of the best teams ever...grow the game my arse, get the fuck over yourselves and stop crying like little babies
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Rugby2023 wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:04 am
kiwigreg369 wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:40 am So Rassie is a 400 min guy. Heaven help if he plays a player before that have 400 min against another team (assume that means against a team that has - otherwise you'd never start).

And NZ should definitely not ease ScoBa in - not done 400 mins, or lumpy.

And how will SA achieve 400 mins before the Lions?
No Super rugby
Currie cup starts afterwards

Do you have to play in Europe now to play for SA?

I still think they're throwing 'player safety' back at Andy M (no sympathy) but they did enter deep into these discussions and planning - when they did not have good intentions to fulfil any commitments.
I'm sure the Aussies will have the minutes to prove it.
I read they're negotiating for SA based teams to play in the Pro 14 in the new year.
I’m sure they are. But as it’s a comp that runs Sept to May they would only join after the Lions tour, which, unless I’m mistaken, does help them get to 400 mins...
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Gutted, I was looking forward to the Boks playing the All Blacks
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To AC and his buddy Grievy etal saying the Boks will pay for this by not having anyone to play against...really, how do you think Test rugby goes without one of the best teams ever...grow the game my arse, get the fudge over yourselves and stop crying like little babies
Test rugby had one of its best periods and fundamental changes during South Africa’s last isolation... so not a great reference point.
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kiwigreg369 wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:40 am
And how will SA achieve 400 mins before the Lions?
No Super rugby
Currie cup starts afterwards
Super Rugby Unlocked SA has just started between the seven sa franchises. (Griquas, Pumas, Cheetahs, Bulls, Stormers, Lions, Sharks)
The Currie Cup starts after Super Rugby Unlocked and thus before the Lions 2021 tour.
Springboks sa based will all play in the Currie Cup now.
400 mins as recommended by high performance sports specialists will thus have been met by the time the Lions arrive.

Player welfare came before the filthy lucre in saru's decision not to partake in the RCs.
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kiwigreg369 wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:56 am
To AC and his buddy Grievy etal saying the Boks will pay for this by not having anyone to play against...really, how do you think Test rugby goes without one of the best teams ever...grow the game my arse, get the fudge over yourselves and stop crying like little babies
Test rugby had one of its best periods and fundamental changes during South Africa’s last isolation... so not a great reference point.
Sounds nice, please explain, what were the fundamental changes you speak of
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ZuluBoy wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:57 am
kiwigreg369 wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:40 am
And how will SA achieve 400 mins before the Lions?
No Super rugby
Currie cup starts afterwards
Super Rugby Unlocked SA has just started between the seven sa franchises. (Griquas, Pumas, Cheetahs, Bulls, Stormers, Lions, Sharks)
The Currie Cup starts after Super Rugby Unlocked and thus before the Lions 2021 tour.
Springboks sa based will all play in the Currie Cup now.
400 mins as recommended by high performance sports specialists will thus have been met by the time the Lions arrive.

Player welfare came before the filthy lucre in saru's decision not to partake in the RCs.
Player welfare masking fears for reputation.
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JB1981 wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:08 am
ZuluBoy wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:57 am
kiwigreg369 wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:40 am
And how will SA achieve 400 mins before the Lions?
No Super rugby
Currie cup starts afterwards
Super Rugby Unlocked SA has just started between the seven sa franchises. (Griquas, Pumas, Cheetahs, Bulls, Stormers, Lions, Sharks)
The Currie Cup starts after Super Rugby Unlocked and thus before the Lions 2021 tour.
Springboks sa based will all play in the Currie Cup now.
400 mins as recommended by high performance sports specialists will thus have been met by the time the Lions arrive.

Player welfare came before the filthy lucre in saru's decision not to partake in the RCs.
Player welfare masking fears for reputation.
Do you seriously think a side that has lost to Japan ffs, is worried about reputation
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ZuluBoy wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:57 am
kiwigreg369 wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:40 am
And how will SA achieve 400 mins before the Lions?
No Super rugby
Currie cup starts afterwards
Super Rugby Unlocked SA has just started between the seven sa franchises. (Griquas, Pumas, Cheetahs, Bulls, Stormers, Lions, Sharks)
The Currie Cup starts after Super Rugby Unlocked and thus before the Lions 2021 tour.
Springboks sa based will all play in the Currie Cup now.
400 mins as recommended by high performance sports specialists will thus have been met by the time the Lions arrive.

Player welfare came before the filthy lucre in saru's decision not to partake in the RCs
But that’s all this year - not next year, you know the period of time between the end of currie cup and the lions when there are no games, no 400 mins.

As for your werid $$ stuff - South African player only too well understand.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:23 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:19 pm All Blacks vs Wallabies x 6 in 2 months before Christmas.
At least we are playing some international Rugby. Enjoy isolation until mid 2021. I guess you boets are used to isolation though? This year will remind you of your chidhood.
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jambanja wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:44 am As a rugby fan I’m a little, not a lot disappointed that this has happened. I have always advocated that the RC be abandoned for 2020 for a number of reasons
Firstly, if it had been it would mean the domestic comps, Mitre 10 and Currie Cup would be full of the best players, making those comps that much more fun and interesting
Secondly the RC was always going to be contested between the ABs and the Wallabies, the Boks and Pumas never really had a look in
Playing under prepared sides does nothing to add value to the game, no one likes watching a one sided affair...well apart, perhaps for those calling for Japan to join the RC, because that will be real fun, watching 3 other countries beat the crap out of one side, can anyone say Sunwolves :roll:
SANZAR fudgeed up big time and went for the short term $ rather than play the long game, I have a feeling it was the Arg, RA, NZR crew that were driving this, such was their desperation for the filthy lucre.
Rugby is struggling against other sporting codes and the decision to play the RC come what may has set them back big time, 3 possibly even 4( too many imop ) Bledisloe games would have been good value and left fans wanting more...next year, but no they had to wring every last $ to stay afloat and in the process have ended up doing potentially irreparable damage

To AC and his buddy Grievy etal saying the Boks will pay for this by not having anyone to play against...really, how do you think Test rugby goes without one of the best teams ever...grow the game my arse, get the fuck over yourselves and stop crying like little babies
Are you saying this Boks team is one of the best teams ever? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Was reading today that the SARU is expecting it's usual share of revenue from the Tri Nations comp featuring NZ/Aust/Arg. Are they just taking the piss now?
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jambanja wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:07 am
kiwigreg369 wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:56 am
To AC and his buddy Grievy etal saying the Boks will pay for this by not having anyone to play against...really, how do you think Test rugby goes without one of the best teams ever...grow the game my arse, get the fudge over yourselves and stop crying like little babies
Test rugby had one of its best periods and fundamental changes during South Africa’s last isolation... so not a great reference point.
Sounds nice, please explain, what were the fundamental changes you speak of
Being but a young man of 39 I can’t remember other changes but presumably at least the creation of the Rugby World Cup can be considered a fundamental change. It created a global rugby showpiece and I assume opened doors to participation for developing nations.
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