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I'll take that back
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How good does a full Eden park look ❤️
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Farva wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:39 am
guy smiley wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:39 am
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:36 am
Farva wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:36 am
Knees on the ground constitutes a tackle. So he was on the ground tackled. Got to his knees, still tackled. Then placed the ball by getting back on the ground, still tackled. Maybe there is an argument for holding while tackled but given you can place the ball when tackled I think that’s a long bow to string (and not what he was pinged for).
Getting up to a knee has always been a penalty when a player is held in the tackle. If he wasn't held he could have done that fine.
Farva, your argument fails here because if he was tackled as you say he should have released the ball instead of playing it.
He did play it. He placed it over the line.

TMO said no - ref said no.

I say no too
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Marika Mammary Hands.
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grievous wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:40 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:38 am I'd bring in Suliasi Vunivalu for the next game. Move Koroibete to 12 and Petaia 13.
Are you drugs? His hands have been terrible today.
Right on cue

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Hareaway wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:43 am How good does a full Eden park look ❤️
Shit
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Shame we couldn't put the foot on the throat in the final 20.
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Ghost-Of-Nepia wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:43 am Marika Mammary Hands.
:lol:
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Jerome Manning wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:43 am Shame we couldn't put the foot on the throat in the final 20.
Sadistic cvnt
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CrazyIslander wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:42 am I'll take that back
Has he even played there for a start?
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CrazyIslander wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:43 am
Hareaway wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:43 am How good does a full Eden park look ❤️
Shit
What the Fvck is wrong with you ?
Are you a bit simple ?
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Luckily I decided not to have a beer watching this. Tempted though.
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Farva wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:39 am
guy smiley wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:39 am
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:36 am
Farva wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:36 am
Knees on the ground constitutes a tackle. So he was on the ground tackled. Got to his knees, still tackled. Then placed the ball by getting back on the ground, still tackled. Maybe there is an argument for holding while tackled but given you can place the ball when tackled I think that’s a long bow to string (and not what he was pinged for).
Getting up to a knee has always been a penalty when a player is held in the tackle. If he wasn't held he could have done that fine.
Farva, your argument fails here because if he was tackled as you say he should have released the ball instead of playing it.
He did play it. He placed it over the line.
Basically your argument is that as long he's on his hands and knees he's still down so can move forward. Using that logic a tackled player can crawl forward after being tackled. And they can't be tackled cause you can't dive on a prone player. So unless someone on their feet plays the ball, they could crawl as far as they want.
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guy smiley wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:40 am Yeah nah Farva.


Anyone want to argue Aaron Smith over TJ?
It won’t affect the result, we have been comprehensively outplayed. But it is an interesting point to look at. What did he do that constituted a penalty. At first glance I thought penalty but what did he actually do illegally? He remained tackled at all times and so couldn’t have played the ball without releasing. He didn’t propel himself forward as he was in the same spot before and after. He placed the ball so didn’t hold the ball in the tackle.
I thought kiwis liked to discuss interpretations of the laws?
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Good win. Still not the finished article but its only their 2nd test for this new team. Fortress Eden Park holds!
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Well, the aura is back.
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And there’s the game after both teams embark on some extra time play for the fun of it.
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That was a bad bomb of a move by Mo'unga
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grievous wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:45 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:42 am I'll take that back
Has he even played there for a start?
Probably not.
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Sonny Blount wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:49 am That was a bad bomb of a move by Mo'unga
He had a good game
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Dominant response to the challenge from last week. Well done ABs.
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Farva wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:48 am
guy smiley wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:40 am Yeah nah Farva.


Anyone want to argue Aaron Smith over TJ?
It won’t affect the result, we have been comprehensively outplayed. But it is an interesting point to look at. What did he do that constituted a penalty. At first glance I thought penalty but what did he actually do illegally? He remained tackled at all times and so couldn’t have played the ball without releasing. He didn’t propel himself forward as he was in the same spot before and after. He placed the ball so didn’t hold the ball in the tackle.
I thought kiwis liked to discuss interpretations of the laws?
The ref and TMO were mutually adamant when discussing it.
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Sigh...hate to say it as had some deep down hope but expected result, lucky it didn't blow out.
Overall though definitely something to work with. No Wallaby had a shocker like last week so other than inside centre the same team should start.
Its all about poor errors/tackles.
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Jay Cee Gee wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:36 am
Farva wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:36 am
Knees on the ground constitutes a tackle. So he was on the ground tackled. Got to his knees, still tackled. Then placed the ball by getting back on the ground, still tackled. Maybe there is an argument for holding while tackled but given you can place the ball when tackled I think that’s a long bow to string (and not what he was pinged for).
Getting up to a knee has always been a penalty when a player is held in the tackle. If he wasn't held he could have done that fine.
It was a double movement. That was critical for us and we should have just recycled. That and then LSL going from the back and trying to get over. A try at either occasion and we are back in it.
Well done ABs. An excellent performance.
Wallabies too inaccurate and too many errors.
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So...another false dawn yeah?
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Farva wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:48 amHe didn’t propel himself forward ?
He did though. He propelled himself off both his hand and knee. Could he have reached the line without getting up? No.
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Was Amosa even on the ground? It looked like he was low but still held up on the maul.
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grievous wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:50 am Sigh...hate to say it as had some deep down hope but expected result, lucky it didn't blow out.
Overall though definitely something to work with. No Wallaby had a shocker like last week so other than inside centre the same team should start.
Its all about poor errors/tackles.
KK had the dropsies. He kept on taking a peek.
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Sonny Blount wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:49 am That was a bad bomb of a move by Mo'unga
Strange time to skip it straight to DMac.

Bit of a mixed bag from Mo’unga these last 2 weeks.
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flaggETERNAL wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:51 am So...another false dawn yeah?
Yep.
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Farva wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:48 am
guy smiley wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:40 am Yeah nah Farva.


Anyone want to argue Aaron Smith over TJ?
It won’t affect the result, we have been comprehensively outplayed. But it is an interesting point to look at. What did he do that constituted a penalty. At first glance I thought penalty but what did he actually do illegally? He remained tackled at all times and so couldn’t have played the ball without releasing. He didn’t propel himself forward as he was in the same spot before and after. He placed the ball so didn’t hold the ball in the tackle.
I thought kiwis liked to discuss interpretations of the laws?
He got back up. It’s as simple as that. If he could have reached out and scored then it’s fine... if he’d slid in and scored, fine. But he got back up. Not fine.
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CrazyIslander wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:52 am Was Amosa even on the ground? It looked like he was low but still held up on the maul.
He was OK. Hopefully Latu back and he and Uelese in the 23.
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Farva wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:48 am
guy smiley wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:40 am Yeah nah Farva.


Anyone want to argue Aaron Smith over TJ?
It won’t affect the result, we have been comprehensively outplayed. But it is an interesting point to look at. What did he do that constituted a penalty. At first glance I thought penalty but what did he actually do illegally? He remained tackled at all times and so couldn’t have played the ball without releasing. He didn’t propel himself forward as he was in the same spot before and after. He placed the ball so didn’t hold the ball in the tackle.
I thought kiwis liked to discuss interpretations of the laws?
Got back to his knees, that's one movement, had to reach directly once on the ground. I can see your point that he didn't actually propel himself forward but you can't get up again and then stretch out.
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Hareaway wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:43 am How good does a full Eden park look ❤️
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The ABs won it in the championship minutes. We managed to hold them out the last 10 before half time but couldn’t do the same at the beginning of the second stanza. It was a big mistake to try and run from the kick off and to pop it up to Clarke for no reason. Two massive mistakes.

ABs also not perfect but they had a great mindset. We lost our attacking shape when the reserves came on.
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Farva wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:48 am
guy smiley wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:40 am Yeah nah Farva.


Anyone want to argue Aaron Smith over TJ?
It won’t affect the result, we have been comprehensively outplayed. But it is an interesting point to look at. What did he do that constituted a penalty. At first glance I thought penalty but what did he actually do illegally? He remained tackled at all times and so couldn’t have played the ball without releasing. He didn’t propel himself forward as he was in the same spot before and after. He placed the ball so didn’t hold the ball in the tackle.
I thought kiwis liked to discuss interpretations of the laws?
Either you watched a different feed to the one I watched with Aussie commentators agreeing with the call, or you are arguing for the sake of arguing, either way it doesn't pan out well for people's view of you as a "sore loser".

On reply the player clearly infringed, no try, penalty, good decisions Gardiner.
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Olo wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:52 am
grievous wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:50 am Sigh...hate to say it as had some deep down hope but expected result, lucky it didn't blow out.
Overall though definitely something to work with. No Wallaby had a shocker like last week so other than inside centre the same team should start.
Its all about poor errors/tackles.
KK had the dropsies. He kept on taking a peek.
He also scored, he does usually do the work and we need his defence out there, everyone is allowed a bad one, no one else is pressuring enough to drop him
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Jay Cee Gee wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:51 am
Farva wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:48 amHe didn’t propel himself forward ?
He did though. He propelled himself off both his hand and knee. Could he have reached the line without getting up? No.
He didn't propel himself forward. The weight of the players on top of him prevented him from lifting his arm to place the ball. Lifting himself up onto his knees meant he could place the ball. It was a "double movement" but it was vertical not horizontal. Correct decision
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Salient wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:58 am
Farva wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:48 am
guy smiley wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:40 am Yeah nah Farva.


Anyone want to argue Aaron Smith over TJ?
It won’t affect the result, we have been comprehensively outplayed. But it is an interesting point to look at. What did he do that constituted a penalty. At first glance I thought penalty but what did he actually do illegally? He remained tackled at all times and so couldn’t have played the ball without releasing. He didn’t propel himself forward as he was in the same spot before and after. He placed the ball so didn’t hold the ball in the tackle.
I thought kiwis liked to discuss interpretations of the laws?
Either you watched a different feed to the one I watched with Aussie commentators agreeing with the call, or you are arguing for the sake of arguing, either way it doesn't pan out well for people's view of you as a "sore loser".

On reply the player clearly infringed, no try, penalty, good decisions Gardiner.
Another fvckwit
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How do we fix the break down? Perhaps get players to step backwards before the contact when they feel they're isolated. Even dive backwards. Or roll the ball back.
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