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Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:43 am**

How good does a full Eden park look

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:43 am**

Farva wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:39 am
guy smiley wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:39 am
Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:36 am
Farva wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:36 am
Knees on the ground constitutes a tackle. So he was on the ground tackled. Got to his knees, still tackled. Then placed the ball by getting back on the ground, still tackled. Maybe there is an argument for holding while tackled but given you can place the ball when tackled I think that’s a long bow to string (and not what he was pinged for).
Getting up to a knee has always been a penalty when a player is held in the tackle. If he wasn't held he could have done that fine.
Farva, your argument fails here because if he was tackled as you say he should have released the ball instead of playing it.
He did play it. He placed it over the line.

TMO said no - ref said no.

I say no too

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:43 am**

Marika Mammary Hands.

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:43 am**

grievous wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:40 am
CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:38 am I'd bring in Suliasi Vunivalu for the next game. Move Koroibete to 12 and Petaia 13.
Are you drugs? His hands have been terrible today.

Right on cue

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:43 am**

Hareaway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:43 am How good does a full Eden park look

Shit

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:43 am**

Shame we couldn't put the foot on the throat in the final 20.

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:44 am**

Jerome Manning wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:43 am Shame we couldn't put the foot on the throat in the final 20.

Sadistic cvnt

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:45 am**

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:42 am I'll take that back

Has he even played there for a start?

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:45 am**

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:43 am
Hareaway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:43 am How good does a full Eden park look
Shit

What the Fvck is wrong with you ?
Are you a bit simple ?

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:45 am**

Luckily I decided not to have a beer watching this. Tempted though.

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:46 am**

Farva wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:39 am
guy smiley wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:39 am
Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:36 am
Farva wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:36 am
Knees on the ground constitutes a tackle. So he was on the ground tackled. Got to his knees, still tackled. Then placed the ball by getting back on the ground, still tackled. Maybe there is an argument for holding while tackled but given you can place the ball when tackled I think that’s a long bow to string (and not what he was pinged for).
Getting up to a knee has always been a penalty when a player is held in the tackle. If he wasn't held he could have done that fine.
Farva, your argument fails here because if he was tackled as you say he should have released the ball instead of playing it.
He did play it. He placed it over the line.

Basically your argument is that as long he's on his hands and knees he's still down so can move forward. Using that logic a tackled player can crawl forward after being tackled. And they can't be tackled cause you can't dive on a prone player. So unless someone on their feet plays the ball, they could crawl as far as they want.

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:48 am**

guy smiley wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:40 am Yeah nah Farva.

Anyone want to argue Aaron Smith over TJ?

It won’t affect the result, we have been comprehensively outplayed. But it is an interesting point to look at. What did he do that constituted a penalty. At first glance I thought penalty but what did he actually do illegally? He remained tackled at all times and so couldn’t have played the ball without releasing. He didn’t propel himself forward as he was in the same spot before and after. He placed the ball so didn’t hold the ball in the tackle.
I thought kiwis liked to discuss interpretations of the laws?

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:48 am**

Good win. Still not the finished article but its only their 2nd test for this new team. Fortress Eden Park holds!

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:48 am**

Well, the aura is back.

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:49 am**

That was a bad bomb of a move by Mo'unga

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:50 am**

grievous wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:45 am
CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:42 am I'll take that back
Has he even played there for a start?

Probably not.

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:50 am**

Sonny Blount wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:49 am That was a bad bomb of a move by Mo'unga

He had a good game

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:50 am**

Dominant response to the challenge from last week. Well done ABs.

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:50 am**

Farva wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:48 am
guy smiley wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:40 am Yeah nah Farva.

Anyone want to argue Aaron Smith over TJ?
It won’t affect the result, we have been comprehensively outplayed. But it is an interesting point to look at. What did he do that constituted a penalty. At first glance I thought penalty but what did he actually do illegally? He remained tackled at all times and so couldn’t have played the ball without releasing. He didn’t propel himself forward as he was in the same spot before and after. He placed the ball so didn’t hold the ball in the tackle.
I thought kiwis liked to discuss interpretations of the laws?

The ref and TMO were mutually adamant when discussing it.

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:50 am**

Sigh...hate to say it as had some deep down hope but expected result, lucky it didn't blow out.
Overall though definitely something to work with. No Wallaby had a shocker like last week so other than inside centre the same team should start.
Its all about poor errors/tackles.

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:50 am**

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:36 am
Farva wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:36 am
Knees on the ground constitutes a tackle. So he was on the ground tackled. Got to his knees, still tackled. Then placed the ball by getting back on the ground, still tackled. Maybe there is an argument for holding while tackled but given you can place the ball when tackled I think that’s a long bow to string (and not what he was pinged for).
Getting up to a knee has always been a penalty when a player is held in the tackle. If he wasn't held he could have done that fine.

It was a double movement. That was critical for us and we should have just recycled. That and then LSL going from the back and trying to get over. A try at either occasion and we are back in it.
Well done ABs. An excellent performance.
Wallabies too inaccurate and too many errors.

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:51 am**

So...another false dawn yeah?

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:51 am**

Farva wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:48 amHe didn’t propel himself forward ?

He did though. He propelled himself off both his hand and knee. Could he have reached the line without getting up? No.

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:52 am**

Was Amosa even on the ground? It looked like he was low but still held up on the maul.

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:52 am**

grievous wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:50 am Sigh...hate to say it as had some deep down hope but expected result, lucky it didn't blow out.
Overall though definitely something to work with. No Wallaby had a shocker like last week so other than inside centre the same team should start.
Its all about poor errors/tackles.

KK had the dropsies. He kept on taking a peek.

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:52 am**

Sonny Blount wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:49 am That was a bad bomb of a move by Mo'unga

Strange time to skip it straight to DMac.

Bit of a mixed bag from Mo’unga these last 2 weeks.

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:53 am**

flaggETERNAL wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:51 am So...another false dawn yeah?

Yep.

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:54 am**

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:52 am Was Amosa even on the ground? It looked like he was low but still held up on the maul.

He was OK. Hopefully Latu back and he and Uelese in the 23.

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:54 am**

Farva wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:48 am
guy smiley wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:40 am Yeah nah Farva.

Anyone want to argue Aaron Smith over TJ?
It won’t affect the result, we have been comprehensively outplayed. But it is an interesting point to look at. What did he do that constituted a penalty. At first glance I thought penalty but what did he actually do illegally? He remained tackled at all times and so couldn’t have played the ball without releasing. He didn’t propel himself forward as he was in the same spot before and after. He placed the ball so didn’t hold the ball in the tackle.
I thought kiwis liked to discuss interpretations of the laws?

Got back to his knees, that's one movement, had to reach directly once on the ground. I can see your point that he didn't actually propel himself forward but you can't get up again and then stretch out.

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:57 am**

Hareaway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:43 am How good does a full Eden park look

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:58 am**

The ABs won it in the championship minutes. We managed to hold them out the last 10 before half time but couldn’t do the same at the beginning of the second stanza. It was a big mistake to try and run from the kick off and to pop it up to Clarke for no reason. Two massive mistakes.

ABs also not perfect but they had a great mindset. We lost our attacking shape when the reserves came on.

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:58 am**

Farva wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:48 am
guy smiley wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:40 am Yeah nah Farva.

Anyone want to argue Aaron Smith over TJ?
It won’t affect the result, we have been comprehensively outplayed. But it is an interesting point to look at. What did he do that constituted a penalty. At first glance I thought penalty but what did he actually do illegally? He remained tackled at all times and so couldn’t have played the ball without releasing. He didn’t propel himself forward as he was in the same spot before and after. He placed the ball so didn’t hold the ball in the tackle.
I thought kiwis liked to discuss interpretations of the laws?

Either you watched a different feed to the one I watched with Aussie commentators agreeing with the call, or you are arguing for the sake of arguing, either way it doesn't pan out well for people's view of you as a "sore loser".

On reply the player clearly infringed, no try, penalty, good decisions Gardiner.

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:00 am**

Olo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:52 am
grievous wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:50 am Sigh...hate to say it as had some deep down hope but expected result, lucky it didn't blow out.
Overall though definitely something to work with. No Wallaby had a shocker like last week so other than inside centre the same team should start.
Its all about poor errors/tackles.
KK had the dropsies. He kept on taking a peek.

He also scored, he does usually do the work and we need his defence out there, everyone is allowed a bad one, no one else is pressuring enough to drop him

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:01 am**

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:51 am
Farva wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:48 amHe didn’t propel himself forward ?
He did though. He propelled himself off both his hand and knee. Could he have reached the line without getting up? No.

He didn't propel himself forward. The weight of the players on top of him prevented him from lifting his arm to place the ball. Lifting himself up onto his knees meant he could place the ball. It was a "double movement" but it was vertical not horizontal. Correct decision

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:02 am**

Salient wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:58 am
Farva wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:48 am
guy smiley wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:40 am Yeah nah Farva.

Anyone want to argue Aaron Smith over TJ?
It won’t affect the result, we have been comprehensively outplayed. But it is an interesting point to look at. What did he do that constituted a penalty. At first glance I thought penalty but what did he actually do illegally? He remained tackled at all times and so couldn’t have played the ball without releasing. He didn’t propel himself forward as he was in the same spot before and after. He placed the ball so didn’t hold the ball in the tackle.
I thought kiwis liked to discuss interpretations of the laws?
Either you watched a different feed to the one I watched with Aussie commentators agreeing with the call, or you are arguing for the sake of arguing, either way it doesn't pan out well for people's view of you as a "sore loser".

On reply the player clearly infringed, no try, penalty, good decisions Gardiner.

Another fvckwit

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:02 am**

How do we fix the break down? Perhaps get players to step backwards before the contact when they feel they're isolated. Even dive backwards. Or roll the ball back.

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:04 am**

Absolutely shocking last 20 from the ABs, much like the first 40. Won it on the back of a great 15 minutes after halftime. Often looked shakey trying to hold possession. That game was a great opportunity to be ruthless but this team isn't there yet, effort was there but very little structure and purpose. So many shit offloads/passes.

Happier than last week obviously but frustrating to watch. Don't understand so much gushing from the pundits. Oz were poor today too.

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:05 am**

I missed it. Who got the MotM ?

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:06 am**

Ouch. Normal transmission resumed? Well done All Blacks. Wallabies never capitulated which has to be encouraging for them. Tighten up a few missed tackles and they are right back in it. Not good enough today, but given there are another 5 or 6 matches to go they could snatch a win or two.

Posted: **Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:07 am**

I didn’t think there was much “interpretation” at play in the no try. Placing the ball (a dynamic movement or whatever they call it now) would have been fine. The replay looked pretty clear that he got to his knees and moved (propelled) himself forward before placing. The decision was made quickly from that replay.

What was the feeling in the Australian broadcast? It was a small movement but to me if you allow that, you allow every tackles player to crawl.

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