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Poll for player of the decade

Poll ended at Sat Oct 31, 2020 10:41 am

Richie McCaw
58
46%
Tierry Dusatoir
4
3%
Johny Sexton
17
13%
Dan Carter
11
9%
Kieran Read
5
4%
Brodie Retallick
13
10%
Pieter Steph du Toit
9
7%
Beauden Barret
10
8%
 
Total votes: 127

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UncleFB wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:03 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:33 am
mr bungle wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:37 pm Well, find a pic of it. If he did, there’ll be a photo.
That is ridiculously easy.

I'm not saying he's not a good rugby player just because he rocked a frosted tips 80s flat top his entire career, Im just saying his stylistic choices were questionable for an alleged hard rugby man.

Maybe he's a big Vanilla Ice fan or something, I dunno. All the power to him, if nothing else it's brave.

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That's the light hitting his head you trolling numbskull. :lol:
He won’t find a pic of McCaw with dyed hair. Don’t exist.
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Here’s another pic that Mog will incorrectly assume features hair dye.
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Richie

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Rugby2023 wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:47 am
eldanielfire wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:16 am
Rugby2023 wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:10 am
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:17 pm
Mog The Almighty wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:08 amHe did cheat a lot, which is unbecoming of "the player of the decade"
So you're saying it can't be a forward then?
But can it really? The best backs are just better rugby players, they can do most things back-row forwards can do but on top can do things most forwards can only dream of, and they are infinitely more skilled, possible exception of Parisse (who actually wouldn't be a bad call for player of century).
Likewise there are things forwards can do that backs can only dream of. Look at most rucks, slowing ball down successfully, maul sacks, lineout calls and of course scrummaging. It's not just doing them, but being able to execute over a game, if backs attempted the tackle counts forwards do they would be subbed off way earlier for exhaustion.
I highly doubt backs are dreaming of maul sacking, lineout calls and scrummaging. :) (wings used to run the lineout). The likes of O'Driscoll and D'Arcy were as good over the ball as a backrow forward and that was just one element of their game, BOD in particular could break the line at will, chip-chase, pass, kick, captain, score tries and everything else, Wilkinson's tackle count was often above most backrow players (not to mention he could ruck, pass off both hands, kick with both feet and run the line). They were just so much more able than even the best forwards, and every bit as influential on other levels. Parisse I say is the exception, he was a forward who could do it all, even in a poor team.
There are some backs who are quite good in a ruck if the ruck is right, that's not the same as doing the right thing in rucks dozens of times a game. And it's a lot more difficult when constantly having to challenge. If you think BOD can do most of the stuff forwards need to do in rucks successfully as forwards do then you are joking.
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mr bungle wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:12 pm Image

Here’s another pic that Mog will incorrectly assume features hair dye.
Who cares if it's dyed? It took some resistance of peer pressure to rock the hair-do of the bad guy Do Jo owner from the Karate Kid films from the 80's over 30 years on.

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eldanielfire wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:47 pm
Who cares if it's dyed?

Mog.
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mr bungle wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:04 pm
eldanielfire wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:47 pm
Who cares if it's dyed?

Mog.
It seems like you boys tearfully defending Sir Richie's frosted flat top seem to care more.

I think it looks great. Could set your watch to that haircut.
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Zakar wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:31 pm
mr bungle wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:04 pm
eldanielfire wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:47 pm
Who cares if it's dyed?

Mog.
It seems like you boys tearfully defending Sir Richie's frosted flat top seem to care more.

I think it looks great. Could set your watch to that haircut.
It's more a couple of quick counters to Mog's continued intellectual decline. Incredible what that bloke thinks he sees.
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Zakar wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:31 pm
mr bungle wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:04 pm
eldanielfire wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:47 pm
Who cares if it's dyed?

Mog.
It seems like you boys tearfully defending Sir Richie's frosted flat top seem to care more.

I think it looks great. Could set your watch to that haircut.
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Sergio Parisse
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Vote Swarmed.
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Jay Cee Gee wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:14 pm Image

Vote Swarmed.
Or the kiwi vote split?

Is it supposed to be the best player to play in the past decade, or the best player over the last decade?

If it's the later, I'd go for someone like Sam Whitelock

Is McCaw was 10/10 for the first five years then retired For the final 5 years, that's a cumulative score of 50.

If Sam Whitelock was 8/10 for 10 years, that's a cumulative score of 80...
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Zakar wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:19 pm
Or the kiwi vote split?

Is it supposed to be the best player to play in the past decade, or the best player over the last decade?

If it's the later, I'd go for someone like Sam Whitelock

Is McCaw was 10/10 for the first five years then retired For the final 5 years, that's a cumulative score of 50.

If Sam Whitelock was 8/10 for 10 years, that's a cumulative score of 80...
The way its set up seems to be 'best season by a player in the past decade' as they've only included the player of the year winners and specifically mention the years they won it.

For me, Retallick and Read had the best seasons out of that lot. I'd probably go for Read.
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The whole thing is a bit Pete Tong if you ask me.
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Jay Cee Gee wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:14 pm Image

Vote Swarmed.
I rate Sexton but ffs :lol:
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I'm not sure how Sexton made the final 3.
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A shameful example of how poor Irish PR posters have become at brow beating their inferiors
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Zakar wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:30 pm The whole thing is a bit Pete Tong if you ask me.
It's a novelty award

I can't even be farked clicking on the poll in this thread

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kiap wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:14 am
Zakar wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:30 pm The whole thing is a bit Pete Tong if you ask me.
It's a novelty award

I can't even be farked clicking on the poll in this thread

Interwebs ... fuggeddaboudit
It's a silly format, tbh.
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mr bungle wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:27 pm I'm not sure how Sexton made the final 3.
How did McCaw? He’s not close to the best All Black of the decade, though he might give ‘best NZ openside’ a shake.

And I say he’s the best player of all time.
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towny wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:58 am
brat wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:37 pm
not_english wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:51 pm Beauden Barrett for me. More exceptional moments than anyone else in the last decade. McCaw and carter toss up for the previous decade
For me it’s not about exceptional moments -it’s about the players influence on the game - winning the game for their team

On that basis mccaw is light years ahead of anyone on that list - arguably the most influential player/all black of all time

An example is that we wouldn’t have won the 2011 rwc without him, even on one foot
Sure he was. But in this decade, he hasn't been the most influential AB. Not close. If he didn't play, the ABs were just as good. When Retallick didn't play......
Is that a reflection of the next best lock v next best openside?
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BBBR for me - the Magpie over the Cantab of course. :D
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A kiwi won't win it - this is a popular vote so it's not really relevant for mine.
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towny wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:27 am
mr bungle wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:27 pm I'm not sure how Sexton made the final 3.
How did McCaw? He’s not close to the best All Black of the decade, though he might give ‘best NZ openside’ a shake.

And I say he’s the best player of all time.
It's hardly surprising that Carter & McCaw, the two most notable and accomplished in the poll, feature highly. Now that's quite probably cause people are rating them on their careers as a whole but it's still not surprising. Sexton doesn't have that on his side and in terms of one season performance, he's not really justified either. But the Swarm's gonna swarm, I guess.
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towny wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:27 am
mr bungle wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:27 pm I'm not sure how Sexton made the final 3.
How did McCaw? He’s not close to the best All Black of the decade, though he might give ‘best NZ openside’ a shake.

And I say he’s the best player of all time.
McCaw played 59 tests as captain in the 2010-19 decade -more than any other player has captained the ABs.
He won 4 Rugby Championships - 3 times sweeping it 6 nil, won a Grand Slam, won World Player of the Year, and 2 Halberg Sportsman of the Year awards.
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Sonny Blount wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:44 am
towny wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:27 am
mr bungle wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:27 pm I'm not sure how Sexton made the final 3.
How did McCaw? He’s not close to the best All Black of the decade, though he might give ‘best NZ openside’ a shake.

And I say he’s the best player of all time.
McCaw played 59 tests as captain in the 2010-19 decade -more than any other player has captained the ABs.
He won 4 Rugby Championships - 3 times sweeping it 6 nil, won a Grand Slam, and World Player of the Year
Plus twice as many RWC wins than any other captain in test match history.
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McCaw shouldn't be up there. How the hell is Carter up there? Cruden and Barrett were better five eights for the ABs
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CrazyIslander wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:51 am McCaw shouldn't be up there. How the hell is Carter up there? Cruden and Barrett were better five eights for the ABs
It's literally the winners of WR Player of the Year.

Also, Cruden was never better than Carter's 2015 season.
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Jay Cee Gee wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:18 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:51 am McCaw shouldn't be up there. How the hell is Carter up there? Cruden and Barrett were better five eights for the ABs
It's literally the winners of WR Player of the Year.

Also, Cruden was never better than Carter's 2015 season.
Eh? Cruden had a better season when they went undefeated 2013.
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Jay Cee Gee wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:18 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:51 am McCaw shouldn't be up there. How the hell is Carter up there? Cruden and Barrett were better five eights for the ABs
It's literally the winners of WR Player of the Year.

Also, Cruden was never better than Carter's 2015 season.
In 2010..... and he retired in 2015. He was not one of the best kiwi players of the decade, let alone the best. Reid and Retallick would be well in front IN THIS DECADE.
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Sonny Blount wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:44 am
towny wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:27 am
mr bungle wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:27 pm I'm not sure how Sexton made the final 3.
How did McCaw? He’s not close to the best All Black of the decade, though he might give ‘best NZ openside’ a shake.

And I say he’s the best player of all time.
McCaw played 59 tests as captain in the 2010-19 decade -more than any other player has captained the ABs.
He won 4 Rugby Championships - 3 times sweeping it 6 nil, won a Grand Slam, won World Player of the Year, and 2 Halberg Sportsman of the Year awards.
I vote him Captain of the decade. Player of the decade? It’s like voting for Lomu as player of the 2000s.
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towny wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:24 am
Sonny Blount wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:44 am
towny wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:27 am
mr bungle wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:27 pm I'm not sure how Sexton made the final 3.
How did McCaw? He’s not close to the best All Black of the decade, though he might give ‘best NZ openside’ a shake.

And I say he’s the best player of all time.
McCaw played 59 tests as captain in the 2010-19 decade -more than any other player has captained the ABs.
He won 4 Rugby Championships - 3 times sweeping it 6 nil, won a Grand Slam, won World Player of the Year, and 2 Halberg Sportsman of the Year awards.
I vote him Captain of the decade. Player of the decade? It’s like voting for Lomu as player of the 2000s.
McCaw was pretty damn good in the 2015 RWC final
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Willie Falloon wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:28 am
towny wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:24 am
Sonny Blount wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:44 am
towny wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:27 am
mr bungle wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:27 pm I'm not sure how Sexton made the final 3.
How did McCaw? He’s not close to the best All Black of the decade, though he might give ‘best NZ openside’ a shake.

And I say he’s the best player of all time.
McCaw played 59 tests as captain in the 2010-19 decade -more than any other player has captained the ABs.
He won 4 Rugby Championships - 3 times sweeping it 6 nil, won a Grand Slam, won World Player of the Year, and 2 Halberg Sportsman of the Year awards.
I vote him Captain of the decade. Player of the decade? It’s like voting for Lomu as player of the 2000s.
McCaw was pretty damn good in the 2015 RWC final
"During preseason training in January 2011 McCaw injured his foot, subsequent x-rays revealed that he had received a stress fracture in the fifth metatarsal of his right foot.[94] It was determined his best chance of recovery was to undergo an operation where a pin was inserted. As a result, McCaw missed the opening two months of the Super Rugby season.[95][96] During the All Black's third Rugby World Cup pool match against France, McCaw became the first All Black to reach 100 test caps.[97] However, it was also during this match McCaw re-aggravated his foot injury. In order to rest his injury, he was forced to skip the more physical aspects of training and miss the All Blacks' final pool match against Canada. Prior to the Quarter-final against Argentina McCaw decided against having another x-ray.[98] Following the re-occurrence of his injury it was uncertain whether McCaw could continue to play for the All Blacks, this forced the coaching staff to develop contingency plans and Matt Todd was called into the All Black training squad.[99] McCaw was able to continue to play throughout the World Cup tournament and lifted the Webb Ellis trophy after a tense 8–7 victory over France. This was the lowest score in a final in World Cup history. After the final, the All Black coach Graham Henry stated "He can hardly walk and how he played today I just don't know,"[100] and he acknowledged the All Blacks probably would not have won without him.[101] Following the World Cup x-rays showed that the screw in his foot, necessary to stop the deterioration of the original injury had caused a second fracture.[98] The fracture again, required a further operation.

After the Rugby World Cup McCaw was selected in the RWC Dream Team. This team was determined by public vote, with over 160,000 votes cast.[102] In addition, for the second successive year McCaw was named the New Zealand sportsperson of the year at the Halberg Awards."
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towny wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:23 am
In 2010..... and he retired in 2015.
What are you actually even trying to say there?
towny wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:23 amReid and Retallick would be well in front IN THIS DECADE.
I agree, hence why I said
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:22 pm
For me, Retallick and Read had the best seasons out of that lot. I'd probably go for Read.
But I spelled Read correctly.
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Also, despite the name "Player of the Decade", the way the award has been set up it's clearly "Best Player of the Year in the Decade", so the fact that Carter & McCaw didn't play the whole decade is irrelevant.
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CrazyIslander wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:21 am
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:18 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:51 am McCaw shouldn't be up there. How the hell is Carter up there? Cruden and Barrett were better five eights for the ABs
It's literally the winners of WR Player of the Year.

Also, Cruden was never better than Carter's 2015 season.
Eh? Cruden had a better season when they went undefeated 2013.
Carter started 1 less test than Cruden that year.
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mr bungle wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:12 pm Image

Here’s another pic that Mog will incorrectly assume features hair dye.
Obvious blonde streaks top right. Just face it, Richie liked to listen to BROS.
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CrazyIslander wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:21 am
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:18 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:51 am McCaw shouldn't be up there. How the hell is Carter up there? Cruden and Barrett were better five eights for the ABs
It's literally the winners of WR Player of the Year.

Also, Cruden was never better than Carter's 2015 season.
Eh? Cruden had a better season when they went undefeated 2013.
Carter won player of the year in 2012 and 2015. You're on a different planet if you think Cruden had a better decade.

Cruden looked good in some Super Rugby games.
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Jay Cee Gee wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:50 am
towny wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:23 am
In 2010..... and he retired in 2015.
What are you actually even trying to say there?
towny wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:23 amReid and Retallick would be well in front IN THIS DECADE.
I agree, hence why I said
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:22 pm
For me, Retallick and Read had the best seasons out of that lot. I'd probably go for Read.
But I spelled Read correctly.
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towny wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:48 am
I do CrossFit now
No calf raise machines in CrossFit boxes, bro.
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