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Flyin Ryan wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:25 pm Know there's not too many on here, but congrats Argies.
One of my Argie mates just responded to my congrats. He slept through his alarm but caught a replay. Hope he didn’t know the score prior to.
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Vamos pumas! Great result.

It's been nz ahead of a chasing pack the last 15 or so years. Looks like they've slipped back into it.
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Hope the hangovers aren't too bad this morning Argies.

Congratulations again. I unfortunately missed all but the first 20 minutes due to poor planning when booking flights. But it sounds like it was a cracker of game.
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Congrats Argentina, awesome display and result.

What was the story with the booing whilst the penalty kicks were being taken?
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Bogbunny wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:47 pm Congrats Argentina, awesome display and result.

What was the story with the booing whilst the penalty kicks were being taken?
Maybe a bit of payback for similar behaviour in Argentina. The Wobbs kicker had a laser beam directed at him a few years ago.
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wamberal wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:50 pm
Bogbunny wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:47 pm Congrats Argentina, awesome display and result.

What was the story with the booing whilst the penalty kicks were being taken?
Maybe a bit of payback for similar behaviour in Argentina. The Wobbs kicker had a laser beam directed at him a few years ago.
I can’t imagine any Australians at the ground were cheering for NZ, let alone booing Argentinian kicks at goal. Lots of black shirts in the crowd that looked like belonged to forklift drivers, so.....
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Bogbunny wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:47 pm Congrats Argentina, awesome display and result.

What was the story with the booing whilst the penalty kicks were being taken?
Like I said, I was at the game, so you could see things you don’t see on the TV

You have to look at it in context. This was their big game and they were fired up. They we cheering and singing constantly. Every time Dane Coles face appeared on the big screen, they booed him as well.

On the other hand, during the haka and welcome to country, there was complete silence. When the ABs scored, everyone clapped.

I thought it was all good natured to be honest, even though I don’t agree with booing the kicker as a rule.
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towny wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:11 pm
wamberal wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:50 pm
Bogbunny wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:47 pm Congrats Argentina, awesome display and result.

What was the story with the booing whilst the penalty kicks were being taken?
Maybe a bit of payback for similar behaviour in Argentina. The Wobbs kicker had a laser beam directed at him a few years ago.

I can’t imagine any Australians at the ground were cheering for NZ, let alone booing Argentinian kicks at goal. Lots of black shirts in the crowd that looked like belonged to forklift drivers, so.....
I was inferring that perhaps similar behaviour had been inflicted on the ABs. On the balance of probabilities, I would assume it had.
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wamberal wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:10 am
towny wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:11 pm
wamberal wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:50 pm
Bogbunny wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:47 pm Congrats Argentina, awesome display and result.

What was the story with the booing whilst the penalty kicks were being taken?
Maybe a bit of payback for similar behaviour in Argentina. The Wobbs kicker had a laser beam directed at him a few years ago.

I can’t imagine any Australians at the ground were cheering for NZ, let alone booing Argentinian kicks at goal. Lots of black shirts in the crowd that looked like belonged to forklift drivers, so.....
I was inferring that perhaps similar behaviour had been inflicted on the ABs. On the balance of probabilities, I would assume it had.
Cruden got lasered at a test in Argentina, I recall.
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wamberal wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:10 am
towny wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:11 pm
wamberal wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:50 pm
Bogbunny wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:47 pm Congrats Argentina, awesome display and result.

What was the story with the booing whilst the penalty kicks were being taken?
Maybe a bit of payback for similar behaviour in Argentina. The Wobbs kicker had a laser beam directed at him a few years ago.

I can’t imagine any Australians at the ground were cheering for NZ, let alone booing Argentinian kicks at goal. Lots of black shirts in the crowd that looked like belonged to forklift drivers, so.....
I was inferring that perhaps similar behaviour had been inflicted on the ABs. On the balance of probabilities, I would assume it had.
Na, Kiwi forklift drivers are plum.
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Luciano wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:44 pm
Yes, I am always puzzled why they try to reinvent the wheel and try 2 skillful but not menacing centers. Remember that year when NZ lost 3 to SA? That was the year Nonu got injured, and NZ tried weird stuff (e.g. Donald plus Carter).

Laumape seems a better option, paired with a Conrad-style center.
Congrats on the win.

Was clear NZ just out muscled in this one. A pure tough runner like Sotutu or Laumape can make a difference if there is quick, front foot ball which Argentina just did not allow.

It was one of those days where NZ just never really get into the game and as time goes on, you just wait for the tide to turn and for NZ to retain the ball and break down the other side but Argentina too good.

The passion of Argentina vs arrogance of guys like Coles was the obvious difference.
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Trostan wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:49 pm Curiosity.
Any ABs on that team who were on the Chicago first defeat by Ireland in 2016?
Wrong type of firsts
Good question.

Just had a look and there’s quite a few.

Moody,Coles,Tuipulotu,Cane,Smith and Barrett started that test v Ireland and Savea was on the bench.
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Olo wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:14 pm Pablo Matera.......absolute legend and old school Argentinian hard man. A massive day for him and his team.

The ABs uncharacteristically inaccurate. Lots of errors, many caused by the pressure from Los Pumas.
Looking forward to next week.
The stats I saw had the ABs ahead in both possession and field position %. There were a couple of dropped final passes that cost them 10-14 points. I agree they were inaccurate. There was one handling error out wide where the linking player was already passing it to the unmarked guy outside to stroll over, and forgot to catch it first. That player probably makes that pass 999/1000. They were about 2 % off and it cost. Did the Pumas' in-your-face game plan rattle them? Yes, it looked like it, but its not the whole story. If black 2 hadn't gone the niggly face slap and had that penalty reversed - butterfly wings.

Their off day coincided with an excellent performance by the Pumas, particularly in the forwards set-piece & breakdown. The Pumas backs were excellent in defence, and employed a good kicking game. The Pumas flankers were joint motm for mine.

So overall, congrats to the Pumas on sticking to their guns and posting an excellent win. It is, however, a little too early to be writing off this NZ coaching group. If they win the next one 45-10, then this result will likely be remembered as one of those losses you have in transitional periods, that help sort the wheat from the chaff going forward.
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Ellafan wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:08 am
Olo wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:14 pm Pablo Matera.......absolute legend and old school Argentinian hard man. A massive day for him and his team.

The ABs uncharacteristically inaccurate. Lots of errors, many caused by the pressure from Los Pumas.
Looking forward to next week.
The stats I saw had the ABs ahead in both possession and field position %. There were a couple of dropped final passes that cost them 10-14 points. I agree they were inaccurate. There was one handling error out wide where the linking player was already passing it to the unmarked guy outside to stroll over, and forgot to catch it first. That player probably makes that pass 999/1000. They were about 2 % off and it cost. Did the Pumas' in-your-face game plan rattle them? Yes, it looked like it, but its not the whole story. If black 2 hadn't gone the niggly face slap and had that penalty reversed - butterfly wings.

Their off day coincided with an excellent performance by the Pumas, particularly in the forwards set-piece & breakdown. The Pumas backs were excellent in defence, and employed a good kicking game. The Pumas flankers were joint motm for mine.

So overall, congrats to the Pumas on sticking to their guns and posting an excellent win. It is, however, a little too early to be writing off this NZ coaching group. If they win the next one 45-10, then this result will likely be remembered as one of those losses you have in transitional periods, that help sort the wheat from the chaff going forward.
Foster has had five tests in charge of the All Blacks. Three of them have been "off games".

That is of huge concern.
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jdogscoop wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:10 am Foster has had five tests in charge of the All Blacks. Three of them have been "off games".

That is of huge concern.
Yep, against teams that were significantly weaker on paper. What happens when we come up against full strength England, France, Ireland and South African teams?
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Ali's Choice wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:39 am
jdogscoop wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:10 am Foster has had five tests in charge of the All Blacks. Three of them have been "off games".

That is of huge concern.
Yep, against teams that were significantly weaker on paper. What happens when we come up against full strength England, France, Ireland and South African teams?
Under Foster? We lose.

Easy opponent blueprint. Rush D, win the breakdown. NZ will have no plan B. Or under Foster, no plan A either.
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Ellafan wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:08 am
The stats I saw had the ABs ahead in both possession and field position %. There were a couple of dropped final passes that cost them 10-14 points. I agree they were inaccurate. There was one handling error out wide where the linking player was already passing it to the unmarked guy outside to stroll over, and forgot to catch it first. That player probably makes that pass 999/1000. They were about 2 % off and it cost. Did the Pumas' in-your-face game plan rattle them? Yes, it looked like it, but its not the whole story. If black 2 hadn't gone the niggly face slap and had that penalty reversed - butterfly wings.
Yep, there 2/3 very clear try situations that NZ uncharacteristically missed. There was a dropped ball with clear numbers outside (was Ioane?) and the pass that Sotutu send to the lineman. In both occasions I was almost having an arrhythmia!

AR did many things very well, but also we got the luck that we had never had before in some matches with NZ. Finally I can forget about that time (early 2000s) that Contempomi missed touch when we were leading with one minute to go, and NZ ended up scoring under the goalposts :blush:
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Just watched it again
NZ came very close twice to scoring near the end
Bad pass from the replacement number 8 after a good run off the base and that knock on by Ioane
It's amazing how good they are at getting into try scoring positions from nothing compared to other teams
Could have won but Argies exerted too much pressure and were too good on the day.
Don't think NZ have much to worry about
Don't see the point of JB on the wing though, and the midfield is just not making sense to me
Surely Laumape is a better option next to a smallish flyhalf
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Cartman wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:40 pm Just watched it again
NZ came very close twice to scoring near the end
Bad pass from the replacement number 8 after a good run off the base and that knock on by Ioane
It's amazing how good they are at getting into try scoring positions from nothing compared to other teams
Could have won but Argies exerted too much pressure and were too good on the day.
Don't think NZ have much to worry about
Don't see the point of JB on the wing though, and the midfield is just not making sense to me
Surely Laumape is a better option next to a smallish flyhalf
Laumape is not actually big. He's short with a low center of gravity and very powerful. Hard to put down in soup rugby, but yet to actually bring that same impact to test level. He needs to be given a couple more goes yet to see if he can bring that punch, but just like Caleb basically did nothing on Saturday, I wouldn't expect him to do much more than just run into a blue and white hooped wall.
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Every single one of the guys had washboard abs and some stylish tattoo, sitting next to his fricken supermodel-looking girlfriend
I tried to tell you...
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Cartman wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:40 pm Just watched it again
NZ came very close twice to scoring near the end
Bad pass from the replacement number 8 after a good run off the base and that knock on by Ioane
It's amazing how good they are at getting into try scoring positions from nothing compared to other teams
Could have won but Argies exerted too much pressure and were too good on the day.
Don't think NZ have much to worry about
Don't see the point of JB on the wing though, and the midfield is just not making sense to me
Surely Laumape is a better option next to a smallish flyhalf
Yes we could have won it and in other games those passes would have stuck and the points would have been scored.....but they didn't, partly because of Argentinian pressure and never say die attitude but partly because mentally for the last few games they just haven't been switched on which is the big concern.
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Congratulations Argies.......better side on the park and deserved the win.....have enjoyed your visits to NZ since the days of Hugo Porta.
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ElementFreak wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:25 am Has this been posted yet?
https://streamable.com/7gomaz
:lol:

Just shared that with the group I went to the game with.
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ElementFreak wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:25 am Has this been posted yet?
https://streamable.com/7gomaz
Brilliant!!
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fonzeee wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:05 pm
Every single one of the guys had washboard abs and some stylish tattoo, sitting next to his fricken supermodel-looking girlfriend
I tried to tell you...
:lol:
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ElementFreak wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:25 am Has this been posted yet?
https://streamable.com/7gomaz
:lol: :lol:
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What's the chances that Dave Ronnie taking the AB job if Foster goes.
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Saw on Twitter today Argentina has now beat NZ in rugby, Brazil in football and US in basketball
Only two other countries have done that
Can you name them?
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Masterji wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:35 pm What's the chances that Dave Ronnie taking the AB job if Foster goes.
Absolute Zero.
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Cartman wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:11 pm Saw on Twitter today Argentina has now beat NZ in rugby, Brazil in football and US in basketball
Only two other countries have done that
Can you name them?
Australia and... France?
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mr bungle wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:14 pm
Cartman wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:11 pm Saw on Twitter today Argentina has now beat NZ in rugby, Brazil in football and US in basketball
Only two other countries have done that
Can you name them?
Australia and... France?
Yeah
If it's not bs i read
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Masterji wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:35 pm What's the chances that Dave Ronnie taking the AB job if Foster goes.
How exactly will that happen? He is contracted to the Wallabies for 4 years.

They will not fire what’s his name just yet.
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Cartman wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:16 pm
mr bungle wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:14 pm
Cartman wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:11 pm Saw on Twitter today Argentina has now beat NZ in rugby, Brazil in football and US in basketball
Only two other countries have done that
Can you name them?
Australia and... France?
Yeah
If it's not bs i read
It's not hard to decipher due to the lack of teams in WR, let alone the small number (but growing!) who have actually beaten NZ.

And England play Basketball as Great Britain, and I'm pretty sure they haven't ever beaten the US.
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mr bungle wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:14 pm
Cartman wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:11 pm Saw on Twitter today Argentina has now beat NZ in rugby, Brazil in football and US in basketball
Only two other countries have done that
Can you name them?
Australia and... France?
That's actually some really cool trivia :thumbup:

I mean a soccer game is always a tossup to a certain extent, nature of the game, but beating the ABs and Team USA is not something that happens often, even among the sports' big dogs.
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jdogscoop wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:57 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:39 am
jdogscoop wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:10 am Foster has had five tests in charge of the All Blacks. Three of them have been "off games".

That is of huge concern.
Yep, against teams that were significantly weaker on paper. What happens when we come up against full strength England, France, Ireland and South African teams?
Under Foster? We lose.

Easy opponent blueprint. Rush D, win the breakdown. NZ will have no plan B. Or under Foster, no plan A either.
It would be very embarrassing to lose to an Irish team featuring Jamaison Gibson-Parkes, Bundee Aki and James Lowe. But quite possible as Ireland looked a lot better than the All Blacks over the weekend. If we can lose guys like that and apparently keep the best players, you think we would do better. Wonder why...
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openclashXX wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:43 pm this aged incredibly well
Kirwan was the only one who looked like a tit
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fonzeee wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:26 am
mr bungle wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:14 pm
Cartman wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:11 pm Saw on Twitter today Argentina has now beat NZ in rugby, Brazil in football and US in basketball
Only two other countries have done that
Can you name them?
Australia and... France?
That's actually some really cool trivia :thumbup:

I mean a soccer game is always a tossup to a certain extent, nature of the game, but beating the ABs and Team USA is not something that happens often, even among the sports' big dogs.
Argentina has punched above its weight in various team sports. I think it is because of the social culture of the nation. But it is hard to have many excellent teams at the same time, as we don't have so many people (47 million) and strong economy for such a big country. We have had amazing Hockey teams (field and rolling), and also good Volleyball too. :thumbup:

On the other hand, we suck at most individual sports. And I couldn't care less about them. The exceptions are boxing, tennis and sailing where we have had some great representatives. And some in car racing, but that is a whole different story.

PS: Polo is an expensive and dangerous hobby for rich people to show their pretty horses, I don't give a f*ck about it. x(
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:52 am
openclashXX wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:43 pm this aged incredibly well
Kirwan was the only one who looked like a tit
:lol:

Wilson had to get a in a dig about South Africa v England making the last world cup final and defences being on top. I don't think he realises England scored more TRY's than NZ last year and NZ had the better defence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztgLuDwVwJY
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