You have to admire the ability of bok supporters to be able to ignore the many many years of humiliation, anger and sorrow to bounce back so quickly and be this breathtakingly arrogant. Fair play to youVleis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:37 pmCurrent RWC champs, current Rugby Championship champs and current B&I Lions series champs. It would be rude not to let someone else have a go at winning something....good luck for the TN mate.Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:32 pmYour team couldn't even bring themselves to turn up, I don't think you get to talk about the present....Vleis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:27 pmNote: if you trade on past glories, it suggests your present does not count for much![]()
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In the amateur era, when the overall results (and particularly series results) between nations was what mattered, the Bokke had the best overall record...and NZ were third, as they had (and indeed still have) a negative record v Zimbabwe. However; in the professional era, RWC victories are what matters...and the Bokke have 3 in 7, while NZ have 3 in 9. QEDbooze wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:39 pmYou have to admire the ability of bok supporters to be able to ignore the many many years of humiliation, anger and sorrow to bounce back so quickly and be this breathtakingly arrogant. Fair play to youVleis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:37 pmCurrent RWC champs, current Rugby Championship champs and current B&I Lions series champs. It would be rude not to let someone else have a go at winning something....good luck for the TN mate.Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:32 pmYour team couldn't even bring themselves to turn up, I don't think you get to talk about the present....![]()
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Overall results in 2020
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I'm afraid that you are mistaken boet. Prior to 1996, the Bokke were 5 to 4 ahead in series wins v NZ and 21 to 18 ahead in overall wins...and that excludes the 3 to 1 victory in 1986. Check it out in the link below if you are still confused:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... uth_Africa
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...so the only unbeaten team in 2020!

Vamos los Pumas!
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Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:06 amI'm afraid that you are mistaken boet. Prior to 1996, the Bokke were 5 to 4 ahead in series wins v NZ and 21 to 18 ahead in overall wins...and that excludes the 3 to 1 victory in 1986. Check it out in the link below if you are still confused:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... uth_Africa
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Overall wins means vs everyone. Surely if SA were the best they'd have the best record overall?
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Bok fans the original chicken runners
Springboks the new chicken runners
Springboks the new chicken runners
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hmmm...clearly the Bokke were/are better than NZ...but I'm not sure why this is even a debate if NZ could not even get a single solitary victor over Zimbabwe?Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:07 amVleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:06 amI'm afraid that you are mistaken boet. Prior to 1996, the Bokke were 5 to 4 ahead in series wins v NZ and 21 to 18 ahead in overall wins...and that excludes the 3 to 1 victory in 1986. Check it out in the link below if you are still confused:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... uth_Africa
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Overall wins means vs everyone. Surely if SA were the best they'd have the best record overall?


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Maaate...if you can't add then I can't help you. Have a look and the link and add up the victories prior to 1996. It's really not that difficult. In the interim (while you contact your maths tutor) have a look at the link below:Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:16 am
Clearly, as evidenced by them winning less games than NZ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Rhod ... nion_match
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Mud slinging aside, that Lions tour will be extremely doubtful for next year, no?Lemoentjie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:28 pmYou think an oke like Pieter-Steph du Toit is scared of playing these players? It's not about scaredness, it's about preparing for Lions tour and RWC 2023. We wish the Boks could play, the players wish they could too. But Rassie is wise.MrDominator wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:08 pm What appears to scare the Boks is actually playing a game of rugby.
It's the most embarrassing World Champion reign in living memory.
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Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:19 amMaaate...if you can't add then I can't help you. Have a look and the link and add up the victories prior to 1996. It's really not that difficult. In the interim (while you contact your maths tutor) have a look at the link below:Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:16 am
Clearly, as evidenced by them winning less games than NZ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Rhod ... nion_match
SA had the second best record up to 95 and that's a fact.
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Hard to beat SA at home pre-isolation. The proud apartheid nation was never going to allow a series loss to embarrass them on the world stage. Like the nazis in Escape to Victory.Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:27 amVleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:19 amMaaate...if you can't add then I can't help you. Have a look and the link and add up the victories prior to 1996. It's really not that difficult. In the interim (while you contact your maths tutor) have a look at the link below:Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:16 am
Clearly, as evidenced by them winning less games than NZ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Rhod ... nion_match
SA had the second best record up to 95 and that's a fact.
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Oh...OK. Let's just ignore the link with the facts then shall we Mr Donald JCG Trump?Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:27 amVleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:19 amMaaate...if you can't add then I can't help you. Have a look and the link and add up the victories prior to 1996. It's really not that difficult. In the interim (while you contact your maths tutor) have a look at the link below:Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:16 am
Clearly, as evidenced by them winning less games than NZ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Rhod ... nion_match
SA had the second best record up to 95 and that's a fact.


P.S. the definition of desperation is: "a state of hopelessness leading to rashness"
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Oh...that old hoary chestnut. I suggest that you read Tony O'Reilly's autobiography where he stated that he had no problem with the refs in SA, but had mammoth issues with the refs in NZ during his B&I Lions tours to said respective countries.mr bungle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:30 amHard to beat SA at home pre-isolation. The proud apartheid nation was never going to allow a series loss to embarrass them on the world stage. Like the nazis in Escape to Victory.Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:27 amVleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:19 amMaaate...if you can't add then I can't help you. Have a look and the link and add up the victories prior to 1996. It's really not that difficult. In the interim (while you contact your maths tutor) have a look at the link below:Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:16 am
Clearly, as evidenced by them winning less games than NZ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Rhod ... nion_match
SA had the second best record up to 95 and that's a fact.
P.S. I believe that many of your countrymen are blaming NZ's loss today v los Pumas on steroids. There is one thing consistent with you blokes...sour losers. Steroids, refs in SA, Wayne Barnes, food poisoning blah, blah, blah.
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Loved that movie. At least the nazis put a team on the field. The Saffas would've been Belgium in WWII, sitting this one out!mr bungle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:30 amHard to beat SA at home pre-isolation. The proud apartheid nation was never going to allow a series loss to embarrass them on the world stage. Like the nazis in Escape to Victory.Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:27 amVleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:19 amMaaate...if you can't add then I can't help you. Have a look and the link and add up the victories prior to 1996. It's really not that difficult. In the interim (while you contact your maths tutor) have a look at the link below:Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:16 am
Clearly, as evidenced by them winning less games than NZ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Rhod ... nion_match
SA had the second best record up to 95 and that's a fact.
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Via PickandgoVleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:35 amOh...OK. Let's just ignore the link with the facts then shall we Mr Donald JCG Trump?Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:27 amVleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:19 amMaaate...if you can't add then I can't help you. Have a look and the link and add up the victories prior to 1996. It's really not that difficult. In the interim (while you contact your maths tutor) have a look at the link below:Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:16 am
Clearly, as evidenced by them winning less games than NZ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Rhod ... nion_match
SA had the second best record up to 95 and that's a fact.![]()
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SA's overall record has declined since neutral refs were introduced, NZ's has improved. Coincidence?Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:41 amOh...that old hoary chestnut. I suggest that you read Tony O'Reilly's autobiography where he stated that he had no problem with the refs in SA, but had mammoth issues with the refs in NZ during his B&I Lions tours to said respective countries.mr bungle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:30 amHard to beat SA at home pre-isolation. The proud apartheid nation was never going to allow a series loss to embarrass them on the world stage. Like the nazis in Escape to Victory.Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:27 amVleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:19 amMaaate...if you can't add then I can't help you. Have a look and the link and add up the victories prior to 1996. It's really not that difficult. In the interim (while you contact your maths tutor) have a look at the link below:Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:16 am
Clearly, as evidenced by them winning less games than NZ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Rhod ... nion_match
SA had the second best record up to 95 and that's a fact.
P.S. I believe that many of your countrymen are blaming NZ's loss today v los Pumas on steroids. There is one thing consistent with you blokes...sour losers. Steroids, refs in SA, Wayne Barnes, food poisoning blah, blah, blah.
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It’s clear that Nz has the better record over the boks..not sure why this twit vleis is trying to refute it
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So far have beaten the ABs, Arg have beaten the ABs SA is justing beating itself off in their safe gated communities.
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Hmmm...clearly not a man of science. The bottom line is how each nation performed against every other nation, not overall victories. SA beat NZ more than NZ beat SA during that time...and SA beat every other country by more too. It's not SA's problem that NZ played a huge amount of tests v the Aussies, who were sh1thouse until the late 20th century, which significantly increased NZ's overall win ratio. Imagine what the Bokke's victory ratio would have been if they'd played over 100 tests against Botswana in that time. I use our neighbours Botswana, rather than Zimbabwe, as NZ has never beaten Zimbabwe so that would be like rubbing salt into your wounds.Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:09 amVia PickandgoVleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:35 amOh...OK. Let's just ignore the link with the facts then shall we Mr Donald JCG Trump?Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:27 amVleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:19 amMaaate...if you can't add then I can't help you. Have a look and the link and add up the victories prior to 1996. It's really not that difficult. In the interim (while you contact your maths tutor) have a look at the link below:Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:16 am
Clearly, as evidenced by them winning less games than NZ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Rhod ... nion_match
SA had the second best record up to 95 and that's a fact.![]()
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P.S. the definition of desperation is: "a state of hopelessness leading to rashness"
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Last time SA beat NZ in a series in NZ was in the 1930’s ffs !
Losing tests by 50 points is nothing to be proud about either .
Losing tests by 50 points is nothing to be proud about either .
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Peaches is probably another Anon multi. No one else has mentioned roids that I have heard. I’m listening to sports talkback, while doing some work, and all have congratulated Argentina on an inspired performance. Some Kiwis enjoyed it so much they watched a replay this morning.Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:41 amOh...that old hoary chestnut. I suggest that you read Tony O'Reilly's autobiography where he stated that he had no problem with the refs in SA, but had mammoth issues with the refs in NZ during his B&I Lions tours to said respective countries.mr bungle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:30 amHard to beat SA at home pre-isolation. The proud apartheid nation was never going to allow a series loss to embarrass them on the world stage. Like the nazis in Escape to Victory.Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:27 amVleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:19 amMaaate...if you can't add then I can't help you. Have a look and the link and add up the victories prior to 1996. It's really not that difficult. In the interim (while you contact your maths tutor) have a look at the link below:Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:16 am
Clearly, as evidenced by them winning less games than NZ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Rhod ... nion_match
SA had the second best record up to 95 and that's a fact.
P.S. I believe that many of your countrymen are blaming NZ's loss today v los Pumas on steroids. There is one thing consistent with you blokes...sour losers. Steroids, refs in SA, Wayne Barnes, food poisoning blah, blah, blah.
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Playing rugby?
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Of course the numbers look good when you pick and choose when to play.
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The high performance recommendation was 400 mins of rugby due to covid lockdowns and we have to stay with science
Argentina though haven't played and have beaten the ABs quite easily
Wallabies played more and are also up there having beaten the ABs last week.
Game between Arg. and Aus the big one
Covid better here. International travellers open now. 4 tests planned before B + I Lions series and will incl. Argentina by the look of things the Trinations champs which will delight all the uninformed that think Springboks reason for not competing is scared
Argentina though haven't played and have beaten the ABs quite easily
Wallabies played more and are also up there having beaten the ABs last week.
Game between Arg. and Aus the big one
Covid better here. International travellers open now. 4 tests planned before B + I Lions series and will incl. Argentina by the look of things the Trinations champs which will delight all the uninformed that think Springboks reason for not competing is scared
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You don't get it mate. You can't just sit out a tournament because you're afraid your players might get hurt. Rugby isn't a safety first venture. It's not tiddlywinks.
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If we get to play the winner, so whatCrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:03 am You don't get it mate. You can't just sit out a tournament because you're afraid your players might get hurt. Rugby isn't a safety first venture. It's not tiddlywinks.
there is tests planned against the Argies before the start of the B + I Lions series and we don't need more cups
we abide by sports sciences recommendation of 400 mins gametime in the can't sitout in a covid year although our coach said no to all that money then
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Only way the boks win anything Is if they play at homeZuluBoy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:16 amIf we get to play the winner, so whatCrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:03 am You don't get it mate. You can't just sit out a tournament because you're afraid your players might get hurt. Rugby isn't a safety first venture. It's not tiddlywinks.
there is tests planned against the Argies before the start of the B + I Lions series and we don't need more cups
we abide by sports sciences recommendation of 400 mins gametime in the can't sitout in a covid year although our coach said no to all that money then
This isn’t a knock tournament where another team that beats you regularly is conveniently knocked out for you
Play away and you might get some respect
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The neediness of the South Africans on here... 

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You didn't watch the WC final in Japan in 2019brat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:29 amOnly way the boks win anything Is if they play at homeZuluBoy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:16 amIf we get to play the winner, so whatCrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:03 am You don't get it mate. You can't just sit out a tournament because you're afraid your players might get hurt. Rugby isn't a safety first venture. It's not tiddlywinks.
there is tests planned against the Argies before the start of the B + I Lions series and we don't need more cups
we abide by sports sciences recommendation of 400 mins gametime in the can't sitout in a covid year although our coach said no to all that money then
This isn’t a knock tournament where another team that beats you regularly is conveniently knocked out for you
Play away and you might get some respect
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Did you not read my comment about other teams being knocked out for you in a tournamentZuluBoy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:41 amYou didn't watch the WC final in Japan in 2019brat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:29 amOnly way the boks win anything Is if they play at homeZuluBoy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:16 amIf we get to play the winner, so whatCrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:03 am You don't get it mate. You can't just sit out a tournament because you're afraid your players might get hurt. Rugby isn't a safety first venture. It's not tiddlywinks.
there is tests planned against the Argies before the start of the B + I Lions series and we don't need more cups
we abide by sports sciences recommendation of 400 mins gametime in the can't sitout in a covid year although our coach said no to all that money then
This isn’t a knock tournament where another team that beats you regularly is conveniently knocked out for you
Play away and you might get some respect
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It's their problem if theyr'e getting knocked out. They should make a plan