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Vleis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:37 pm

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:32 pm

Vleis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:27 pm

mr bungle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:42 am

Vleis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:33 am Pity the Bokke did not send their u21 team to participate in this event, as they could've killed two birds with one stone.

Translation: I still cry myself to sleep at night over the man-shaming that my nation was subjected to in the S/F of RWC '19, so please allow me to cling on to some morsels of joy.

Note: if you trade on past glories, it suggests your present does not count for much

Your team couldn't even bring themselves to turn up, I don't think you get to talk about the present....

Current RWC champs, current Rugby Championship champs and current B&I Lions series champs. It would be rude not to let someone else have a go at winning something....good luck for the TN mate.

You have to admire the ability of bok supporters to be able to ignore the many many years of humiliation, anger and sorrow to bounce back so quickly and be this breathtakingly arrogant. Fair play to you

Vleis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:55 pm

grievous wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:28 pm White feather for SA

"White feather" has a number of different meanings, but I'll help you out with one of them: NZ 43 - Oz 5

At least we were there to take a beating, you guys are still hiding behind the couch.

booze wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:39 pm

Vleis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:37 pm

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:32 pm

Vleis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:27 pm

mr bungle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:42 am

Translation: I still cry myself to sleep at night over the man-shaming that my nation was subjected to in the S/F of RWC '19, so please allow me to cling on to some morsels of joy.

Note: if you trade on past glories, it suggests your present does not count for much

Your team couldn't even bring themselves to turn up, I don't think you get to talk about the present....

Current RWC champs, current Rugby Championship champs and current B&I Lions series champs. It would be rude not to let someone else have a go at winning something....good luck for the TN mate.

You have to admire the ability of bok supporters to be able to ignore the many many years of humiliation, anger and sorrow to bounce back so quickly and be this breathtakingly arrogant. Fair play to you

In the amateur era, when the overall results (and particularly series results) between nations was what mattered, the Bokke had the best overall record...and NZ were third, as they had (and indeed still have) a negative record v Zimbabwe. However; in the professional era, RWC victories are what matters...and the Bokke have 3 in 7, while NZ have 3 in 9. QED

Vleis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:54 pm
In the amateur era, when the overall results (and particularly series results) between nations was what mattered, the Bokke had the best overall record

Overall results in amateur era

SA - 63%
NZ - 71%

Overall results in 2020

SA - n/a

grievous wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:39 pm

Vleis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:55 pm

grievous wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:28 pm White feather for SA

"White feather" has a number of different meanings, but I'll help you out with one of them: NZ 43 - Oz 5

At least we were there to take a beating, you guys are still hiding behind the couch.

hmmm...from what I saw, you blokes hid behind the couch and your lipstick dressing table that day.

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:56 pm

Vleis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:54 pm
In the amateur era, when the overall results (and particularly series results) between nations was what mattered, the Bokke had the best overall record

Overall results in amateur era

SA - 63%
NZ - 71%

I'm afraid that you are mistaken boet. Prior to 1996, the Bokke were 5 to 4 ahead in series wins v NZ and 21 to 18 ahead in overall wins...and that excludes the 3 to 1 victory in 1986. Check it out in the link below if you are still confused:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... uth_Africa
QED

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:57 pm Overall results in 2020

SA - n/a

...so the only unbeaten team in 2020!

Vamos los Pumas!

Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:06 am

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:56 pm

Vleis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:54 pm
In the amateur era, when the overall results (and particularly series results) between nations was what mattered, the Bokke had the best overall record

Overall results in amateur era

SA - 63%
NZ - 71%

I'm afraid that you are mistaken boet. Prior to 1996, the Bokke were 5 to 4 ahead in series wins v NZ and 21 to 18 ahead in overall wins...and that excludes the 3 to 1 victory in 1986. Check it out in the link below if you are still confused:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... uth_Africa
QED

Overall wins means vs everyone. Surely if SA were the best they'd have the best record overall?

Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:07 am

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:57 pm Overall results in 2020

SA - n/a

...so the only unbeaten team in 2020!

Vamos los Pumas!

Well if you're gonna include theoretical sides that don't actually play rugby, there's an infinite number of unbeaten sides.

Bok fans the original chicken runners

Springboks the new chicken runners

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:07 am

Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:06 am

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:56 pm

Vleis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:54 pm
In the amateur era, when the overall results (and particularly series results) between nations was what mattered, the Bokke had the best overall record

Overall results in amateur era

SA - 63%
NZ - 71%

I'm afraid that you are mistaken boet. Prior to 1996, the Bokke were 5 to 4 ahead in series wins v NZ and 21 to 18 ahead in overall wins...and that excludes the 3 to 1 victory in 1986. Check it out in the link below if you are still confused:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... uth_Africa
QED

Overall wins means vs everyone. Surely if SA were the best they'd have the best record overall?

hmmm...clearly the Bokke were/are better than NZ...but I'm not sure why this is even a debate if NZ could not even get a single solitary victor over Zimbabwe?

Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:13 am
hmmm...clearly the Bokke were/are better than NZ..

Clearly, as evidenced by them winning less games than NZ.

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:16 am

Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:13 am
hmmm...clearly the Bokke were/are better than NZ..

Clearly, as evidenced by them winning less games than NZ.

Maaate...if you can't add then I can't help you. Have a look and the link and add up the victories prior to 1996. It's really not that difficult. In the interim (while you contact your maths tutor) have a look at the link below:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Rhod ... nion_match

Lemoentjie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:28 pm

MrDominator wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:08 pm What appears to scare the Boks is actually playing a game of rugby.

It's the most embarrassing World Champion reign in living memory.

You think an oke like Pieter-Steph du Toit is scared of playing these players? It's not about scaredness, it's about preparing for Lions tour and RWC 2023. We wish the Boks could play, the players wish they could too. But Rassie is wise.

Mud slinging aside, that Lions tour will be extremely doubtful for next year, no?

Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:19 am

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:16 am

Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:13 am
hmmm...clearly the Bokke were/are better than NZ..

Clearly, as evidenced by them winning less games than NZ.

Maaate...if you can't add then I can't help you. Have a look and the link and add up the victories prior to 1996. It's really not that difficult. In the interim (while you contact your maths tutor) have a look at the link below:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Rhod ... nion_match

SA had the second best record up to 95 and that's a fact.

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:27 am

Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:19 am

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:16 am

Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:13 am
hmmm...clearly the Bokke were/are better than NZ..

Clearly, as evidenced by them winning less games than NZ.

Maaate...if you can't add then I can't help you. Have a look and the link and add up the victories prior to 1996. It's really not that difficult. In the interim (while you contact your maths tutor) have a look at the link below:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Rhod ... nion_match

SA had the second best record up to 95 and that's a fact.

Hard to beat SA at home pre-isolation. The proud apartheid nation was never going to allow a series loss to embarrass them on the world stage. Like the nazis in Escape to Victory.

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:27 am

Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:19 am

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:16 am

Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:13 am
hmmm...clearly the Bokke were/are better than NZ..

Clearly, as evidenced by them winning less games than NZ.

Maaate...if you can't add then I can't help you. Have a look and the link and add up the victories prior to 1996. It's really not that difficult. In the interim (while you contact your maths tutor) have a look at the link below:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Rhod ... nion_match

SA had the second best record up to 95 and that's a fact.

Oh...OK. Let's just ignore the link with the facts then shall we Mr Donald JCG Trump?

P.S. the definition of desperation is: "a state of hopelessness leading to rashness"

mr bungle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:30 am

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:27 am

Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:19 am

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:16 am

Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:13 am
hmmm...clearly the Bokke were/are better than NZ..

Clearly, as evidenced by them winning less games than NZ.

Maaate...if you can't add then I can't help you. Have a look and the link and add up the victories prior to 1996. It's really not that difficult. In the interim (while you contact your maths tutor) have a look at the link below:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Rhod ... nion_match

SA had the second best record up to 95 and that's a fact.

Hard to beat SA at home pre-isolation. The proud apartheid nation was never going to allow a series loss to embarrass them on the world stage. Like the nazis in Escape to Victory.

Oh...that old hoary chestnut. I suggest that you read Tony O'Reilly's autobiography where he stated that he had no problem with the refs in SA, but had mammoth issues with the refs in NZ during his B&I Lions tours to said respective countries.

P.S. I believe that many of your countrymen are blaming NZ's loss today v los Pumas on steroids. There is one thing consistent with you blokes...sour losers. Steroids, refs in SA, Wayne Barnes, food poisoning blah, blah, blah.

mr bungle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:30 am

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:27 am

Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:19 am

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:16 am

Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:13 am
hmmm...clearly the Bokke were/are better than NZ..

Clearly, as evidenced by them winning less games than NZ.

Maaate...if you can't add then I can't help you. Have a look and the link and add up the victories prior to 1996. It's really not that difficult. In the interim (while you contact your maths tutor) have a look at the link below:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Rhod ... nion_match

SA had the second best record up to 95 and that's a fact.

Hard to beat SA at home pre-isolation. The proud apartheid nation was never going to allow a series loss to embarrass them on the world stage. Like the nazis in Escape to Victory.

Loved that movie. At least the nazis put a team on the field. The Saffas would've been Belgium in WWII, sitting this one out!

Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:35 am

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:27 am

Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:19 am

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:16 am

Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:13 am
hmmm...clearly the Bokke were/are better than NZ..

Clearly, as evidenced by them winning less games than NZ.

Maaate...if you can't add then I can't help you. Have a look and the link and add up the victories prior to 1996. It's really not that difficult. In the interim (while you contact your maths tutor) have a look at the link below:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Rhod ... nion_match

SA had the second best record up to 95 and that's a fact.

Oh...OK. Let's just ignore the link with the facts then shall we Mr Donald JCG Trump?

P.S. the definition of desperation is: "a state of hopelessness leading to rashness"

Via Pickandgo

Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:41 am

mr bungle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:30 am

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:27 am

Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:19 am

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:16 am


Clearly, as evidenced by them winning less games than NZ.

Maaate...if you can't add then I can't help you. Have a look and the link and add up the victories prior to 1996. It's really not that difficult. In the interim (while you contact your maths tutor) have a look at the link below:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Rhod ... nion_match

SA had the second best record up to 95 and that's a fact.

Hard to beat SA at home pre-isolation. The proud apartheid nation was never going to allow a series loss to embarrass them on the world stage. Like the nazis in Escape to Victory.

Oh...that old hoary chestnut. I suggest that you read Tony O'Reilly's autobiography where he stated that he had no problem with the refs in SA, but had mammoth issues with the refs in NZ during his B&I Lions tours to said respective countries.

P.S. I believe that many of your countrymen are blaming NZ's loss today v los Pumas on steroids. There is one thing consistent with you blokes...sour losers. Steroids, refs in SA, Wayne Barnes, food poisoning blah, blah, blah.

SA's overall record has declined since neutral refs were introduced, NZ's has improved. Coincidence?

It’s clear that Nz has the better record over the boks..not sure why this twit vleis is trying to refute it

Vleis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:58 pm

grievous wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:39 pm

Vleis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:55 pm

grievous wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:28 pm White feather for SA

"White feather" has a number of different meanings, but I'll help you out with one of them: NZ 43 - Oz 5

At least we were there to take a beating, you guys are still hiding behind the couch.

hmmm...from what I saw, you blokes hid behind the couch and your lipstick dressing table that day.

So far have beaten the ABs, Arg have beaten the ABs SA is justing beating itself off in their safe gated communities.

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:09 am

Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:35 am

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:27 am

Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:19 am

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:16 am


Clearly, as evidenced by them winning less games than NZ.

Maaate...if you can't add then I can't help you. Have a look and the link and add up the victories prior to 1996. It's really not that difficult. In the interim (while you contact your maths tutor) have a look at the link below:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Rhod ... nion_match

SA had the second best record up to 95 and that's a fact.

Oh...OK. Let's just ignore the link with the facts then shall we Mr Donald JCG Trump?

P.S. the definition of desperation is: "a state of hopelessness leading to rashness"

Via Pickandgo

Hmmm...clearly not a man of science. The bottom line is how each nation performed against every other nation, not overall victories. SA beat NZ more than NZ beat SA during that time...and SA beat every other country by more too. It's not SA's problem that NZ played a huge amount of tests v the Aussies, who were sh1thouse until the late 20th century, which significantly increased NZ's overall win ratio. Imagine what the Bokke's victory ratio would have been if they'd played over 100 tests against Botswana in that time. I use our neighbours Botswana, rather than Zimbabwe, as NZ has never beaten Zimbabwe so that would be like rubbing salt into your wounds.
QED

Last time SA beat NZ in a series in NZ was in the 1930’s ffs !

Losing tests by 50 points is nothing to be proud about either .

Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:41 am

mr bungle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:30 am

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:27 am

Vleis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:19 am

Jay Cee Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:16 am


Clearly, as evidenced by them winning less games than NZ.

Maaate...if you can't add then I can't help you. Have a look and the link and add up the victories prior to 1996. It's really not that difficult. In the interim (while you contact your maths tutor) have a look at the link below:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Rhod ... nion_match

SA had the second best record up to 95 and that's a fact.

Hard to beat SA at home pre-isolation. The proud apartheid nation was never going to allow a series loss to embarrass them on the world stage. Like the nazis in Escape to Victory.

Oh...that old hoary chestnut. I suggest that you read Tony O'Reilly's autobiography where he stated that he had no problem with the refs in SA, but had mammoth issues with the refs in NZ during his B&I Lions tours to said respective countries.

P.S. I believe that many of your countrymen are blaming NZ's loss today v los Pumas on steroids. There is one thing consistent with you blokes...sour losers. Steroids, refs in SA, Wayne Barnes, food poisoning blah, blah, blah.

Peaches is probably another Anon multi. No one else has mentioned roids that I have heard. I’m listening to sports talkback, while doing some work, and all have congratulated Argentina on an inspired performance. Some Kiwis enjoyed it so much they watched a replay this morning.

Playing rugby?

Of course the numbers look good when you pick and choose when to play.

The high performance recommendation was 400 mins of rugby due to covid lockdowns and we have to stay with science
Argentina though haven't played and have beaten the ABs quite easily
Wallabies played more and are also up there having beaten the ABs last week.
Game between Arg. and Aus the big one

Covid better here. International travellers open now. 4 tests planned before B + I Lions series and will incl. Argentina by the look of things the Trinations champs which will delight all the uninformed that think Springboks reason for not competing is scared

You don't get it mate. You can't just sit out a tournament because you're afraid your players might get hurt. Rugby isn't a safety first venture. It's not tiddlywinks.

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:03 am You don't get it mate. You can't just sit out a tournament because you're afraid your players might get hurt. Rugby isn't a safety first venture. It's not tiddlywinks.

If we get to play the winner, so what
there is tests planned against the Argies before the start of the B + I Lions series and we don't need more cups
we abide by sports sciences recommendation of 400 mins gametime in the can't sitout in a covid year although our coach said no to all that money then

ZuluBoy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:16 am there is tests planned against the Argies

There was a 4 way RC planned too, talk is cheap.

ZuluBoy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:16 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:03 am You don't get it mate. You can't just sit out a tournament because you're afraid your players might get hurt. Rugby isn't a safety first venture. It's not tiddlywinks.

If we get to play the winner, so what
there is tests planned against the Argies before the start of the B + I Lions series and we don't need more cups
we abide by sports sciences recommendation of 400 mins gametime in the can't sitout in a covid year although our coach said no to all that money then

Only way the boks win anything Is if they play at home

This isn’t a knock tournament where another team that beats you regularly is conveniently knocked out for you

Play away and you might get some respect

The neediness of the South Africans on here...

brat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:29 am

ZuluBoy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:16 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:03 am You don't get it mate. You can't just sit out a tournament because you're afraid your players might get hurt. Rugby isn't a safety first venture. It's not tiddlywinks.

If we get to play the winner, so what
there is tests planned against the Argies before the start of the B + I Lions series and we don't need more cups
we abide by sports sciences recommendation of 400 mins gametime in the can't sitout in a covid year although our coach said no to all that money then

Only way the boks win anything Is if they play at home

This isn’t a knock tournament where another team that beats you regularly is conveniently knocked out for you

Play away and you might get some respect

You didn't watch the WC final in Japan in 2019

ZuluBoy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:41 am

brat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:29 am

ZuluBoy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:16 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:03 am You don't get it mate. You can't just sit out a tournament because you're afraid your players might get hurt. Rugby isn't a safety first venture. It's not tiddlywinks.

If we get to play the winner, so what
there is tests planned against the Argies before the start of the B + I Lions series and we don't need more cups
we abide by sports sciences recommendation of 400 mins gametime in the can't sitout in a covid year although our coach said no to all that money then

Only way the boks win anything Is if they play at home

This isn’t a knock tournament where another team that beats you regularly is conveniently knocked out for you

Play away and you might get some respect

You didn't watch the WC final in Japan in 2019

Did you not read my comment about other teams being knocked out for you in a tournament

It's their problem if theyr'e getting knocked out. They should make a plan