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Is this where we get to dump on the new boy?


I note that Biden has already tapped up Cedric Richmond to act as a liaison between the business community and climate activists.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/16/poli ... index.html


However, this Cedric Richmond is one of the largest Democrat recipients of donations from the oil, gas and chemicals industries and - as they have funded him to the tune of $128,000 - he has sat back and done nothing about polluting petrochem and fossil fuel plants in Louisiana.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ancer-town
Richmond, the 46-year-old congressman, has represented the residents of Reserve, and most of the people living in a densely polluted area between New Orleans and Baton Rouge referred to as Cancer Alley, for almost a decade. A rising star in the Democratic party, who now co-chairs former vice-president Joe Biden’s 2020 presidential campaign, Richmond is the lone Democrat in Louisiana’s delegation to Washington. He has won successive elections here campaigning on healthcare expansion, voting rights and criminal justice reform. A charismatic and chisel-jawed politician, he has seen his congressional seat in Washington turn into a Democratic stronghold in the deeply Republican south.

[Residents] say they were told that Richmond would sit down with them and hear about the years-long fight for clean air in their hometown. But they only got two minutes. “Looking at his face, it didn’t really seem like he was interested,” Hampton recalled. “It was like he was trying to brush us off.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... c-richmond#
Richmond, a senior House Democrat who co-chairs Joe Biden’s presidential campaign, has held Louisiana’s second congressional district since 2010. The area covers some of the most polluted air in America, along a corridor of industrial facilities between New Orleans and Baton Rouge known colloquially as “Cancer Alley”.

Richmond, one of the highest recipients of oil, gas and chemicals industry donations in the Democratic House caucus, had made scant public remarks about pollution in Reserve, the subject of a year-long Guardian series “Cancer Town”.

In one census tract in Reserve the risk of cancer due to air pollution is 50 times the national average. The primary cause of this risk is a pollutant named chloroprene, listed by the EPA as a likely human carcinogen, which is emitted by a synthetic rubber plant operated by the Japanese chemicals company Denka since 2015 and by chemicals giant DuPont from 1967.
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twitter wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:18 pm this claim about president-elect is disputed
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4071 wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:13 pm Is this where we get to dump on the new boy?


I note that Biden has already tapped up Cedric Richmond to act as a liaison between the business community and climate activists.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/16/poli ... index.html


However, this Cedric Richmond is one of the largest Democrat recipients of donations from the oil, gas and chemicals industries and - as they have funded him to the tune of $128,000 - he has sat back and done nothing about polluting petrochem and fossil fuel plants in Louisiana.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ancer-town
Richmond, the 46-year-old congressman, has represented the residents of Reserve, and most of the people living in a densely polluted area between New Orleans and Baton Rouge referred to as Cancer Alley, for almost a decade. A rising star in the Democratic party, who now co-chairs former vice-president Joe Biden’s 2020 presidential campaign, Richmond is the lone Democrat in Louisiana’s delegation to Washington. He has won successive elections here campaigning on healthcare expansion, voting rights and criminal justice reform. A charismatic and chisel-jawed politician, he has seen his congressional seat in Washington turn into a Democratic stronghold in the deeply Republican south.

[Residents] say they were told that Richmond would sit down with them and hear about the years-long fight for clean air in their hometown. But they only got two minutes. “Looking at his face, it didn’t really seem like he was interested,” Hampton recalled. “It was like he was trying to brush us off.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... c-richmond#
Richmond, a senior House Democrat who co-chairs Joe Biden’s presidential campaign, has held Louisiana’s second congressional district since 2010. The area covers some of the most polluted air in America, along a corridor of industrial facilities between New Orleans and Baton Rouge known colloquially as “Cancer Alley”.

Richmond, one of the highest recipients of oil, gas and chemicals industry donations in the Democratic House caucus, had made scant public remarks about pollution in Reserve, the subject of a year-long Guardian series “Cancer Town”.

In one census tract in Reserve the risk of cancer due to air pollution is 50 times the national average. The primary cause of this risk is a pollutant named chloroprene, listed by the EPA as a likely human carcinogen, which is emitted by a synthetic rubber plant operated by the Japanese chemicals company Denka since 2015 and by chemicals giant DuPont from 1967.
See the real Erin's none too happy about his appointment of Michael McCabe either.
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Happy birthday to Mr Biden.
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Welcome to the new swamp. Julia Roberts does not aprove:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... brockovich

Dear Joe Biden: are you kidding me?
Erin Brockovich

‘What will it take to get our leadership to work with the people?’ Photograph: Andrew Harnik/AP
Thu 19 Nov 2020 11.10 GMT

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For years, I’ve been trying to impart a simple concept that Superman is not coming.

Dare I say, I had hopes that this new administration would usher in the dawning of a new day. As picks for President-elect Joe Biden’s Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) transition team were announced, I felt concerned and disheartened about a chemical industry insider being on the list. Are you kidding me?

The US is in a water crisis far worse than most people imagine

Michael McCabe, a former employee of Biden and a former deputy Environmental Protection Agency administrator, later jumped ship to work as a consultant on communication strategy for DuPont during a time when the chemical company was looking to fight regulations of their star chemical perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA) also known as C8. The toxic manmade chemical is used in everything from waterproof clothes, stain-resistant textiles and food packaging to non-stick pans. The compound has been linked to lowered fertility, cancer and liver damage. The Guardian reported this week that Harvard school of public health professor Philippe Grandjean, who studies environmental health, warns that PFAS chemicals, of which PFOA is one, might reduce the efficacy of a Covid-19 vaccine.


This smells of the dawn of the same old. To quote the Who: meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

It should go without saying that someone who advised DuPont on how to avoid regulations is not someone we want advising this new administration.

PFOA pollutes the blood of nearly every American and can pass from mother to unborn child in the womb. This toxic product of industry is a stable compound not easily broken down in the environment or in the human body, giving it the nickname “forever chemical”. Scientists have found it in living beings across the globe – from animals living in the depths of the sea to birds on remote islands.

The Environmental Protection Agency has set no enforceable national drinking water limits for perfluorinated chemicals, including PFOA. Tens of thousands of community drinking water systems across the country have never even tested for these contaminants.

McCabe started managing DuPont’s communications with the EPA about the toxic chemical in 2003, according to an article in the Intercept. This was the time in which DuPont faced a barrage of litigation after the company dumped 7,100 tons of PFOA-filled waste in West Virginia, which made its way into the drinking water of 100,000 people. Countless members of the community faced debilitating illnesses as a result. The legal battle with the company was turned into the film Dark Waters in 2019.

Mind you, DuPont suspected that their product was harmful since the 1960s – experiments they conducted in 1961 showed that PFOS affected the livers of dogs and rabbits. McCabe’s work inevitably contributed to staving off costly clean-up and additional regulation headaches for the company.

Are we the people supposed to trust a former DuPont man in a transition team tasked with reviewing the Chemical Safety Board? Is this how the newly elected leadership wants to start what is supposed to be a healing and unifying administration? Are we already falling back on the old and antiquated, hide-and-seek, conceal, dodge and deny leadership or are you going to come out and be the change and the hope needed when it comes to the environment?

I don’t see how picking someone from industry is moving us toward that goal.

The science is in. Research has linked exposure to this chemical to the following illnesses: kidney and testicular cancer, ulcerative colitis, thyroid disease, pregnancy-induced hypertension and high cholesterol.

What will it take to get our leadership to work with the people?
This newly elected president says we need to listen to the science. Are you really listening to the science or are you listening to an industry insider, who is controlling the message?

With a lack of federal guidance on these dangerous chemicals, states have been left to create their own rules to enforce guidance and regulations. This chemical, and others like it, have been poisoning us for decades. Now is the time to act.

This is not about being rightwing or leftwing. It doesn’t matter what side of the aisle you are on. We cannot keep making picks from this inside, leaving we the people, once again on the outside.

What will it take to get our leadership to work with the people?

Stop working against and separately from your communities. Put your transition team on the ground and make them talk with those affected by these chemicals. Go out and see for yourself, learn and hear from those who you represent about what the heck is happening to them on the ground – those living and breathing in the toxic mess we have created.

It is time to keep your promise and give the people a voice and a seat the table in order to find a meaningful solution for the environment and for the people. Don’t close the door on us again.

We are in this mess because we continue to do the same old thing.

Let us not forget where these chemicals came from and who is responsible for putting them in our environment. Let us not bring the fox back into the hen house. DuPont executives should have no place in the Environmental Protection Agency.

I call on Joe Biden to do the right thing.

Erin Brockovich is an environmental advocate and author of the new book, Superman’s Not Coming: Our National Water Crisis and What We the People Can Do About It. Suzanne Boothby contributed research and reporting to this article
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Is there a more overrated thing in this era of lower-quality internet journalism than the Guardian opinion article?

A couple Politico articles on who's going to surround Biden. The 2 articles in a way contradict one another:

First, his "team of highly educated longtime Washington insider careerists": https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... sts-440177
Even as only a fraction of positions in the Biden administration are filled it is already obvious his team has some defining signatures. After years in which Trump and allies denounced a sinister “Deep State” buried in the executive branch, and many senior jobs went to people with scant credentials other than loyalty to him, the people getting Biden’s top jobs for the most part have been immersed in government and Washington culture for decades — just like their boss.

For all the attention to the various ideological messages Biden may be sending with appointments, as he tries to hold together a Democratic coalition of jostling factions, what he is assembling is not so much a team of rivals as a team of careerists. A contender for Secretary of Defense is Michele Flournoy, who has been in national security circles for decades. She started a public affairs firm with Blinken, and graduated from Harvard a couple years before him.

Perhaps the closest equivalent is George H.W. Bush, who relied on decades-old relationships in Washington to fill his administration. The next four successors —Clinton, George W. Bush, Obama, and Trump — all arrived from outside Washington or after a very short tenure here, and had to integrate personal loyalists into the Washington firmament. In Biden’s case, these two groups are exactly the same.
Second, "people are pissed" as the people that have been around Biden forever compete with jonny-come-latelys: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/2 ... ble-440199
In late 2008, during the transition from George W. Bush to Barack Obama, there was a mantra that took hold among Washington insiders: Obama won the election but Hillary won the transition.

The most loyal denizens of the Obama campaign — the people who were with him from Springfield to Grant Park — watched with deep trepidation as the Obama administration was staffed at the highest levels with the same Clintonites — including Hillary herself — they thought they had vanquished in the Democratic primaries the previous summer.

It is still early in the Biden transition. There are thousands of jobs to fill. But a similar sense of dread is starting to bubble up from veterans of the Biden campaign, particularly those who were there with the president-elect from the Philadelphia announcement speech to the Wilmington victory speech. The target of their ire? The Obama establishment, which has eclipsed the Clinton name as shorthand for yesterday’s Democratic Party.

“The Obama staffers are now cutting out the people who got Biden elected,” said a senior Biden official channeling the feelings of the old guard of the Biden campaign, who requested anonymity for the obvious reason. “None of these people found the courage to help the VP when he was running and now they are elevating their friends over the Biden people. It’s f----- up.”

Another Biden adviser who worked on the campaign echoed the point. “It is a very valid criticism,” the adviser said. “A lot of people are living in uncertainty.”

There are some caveats, both about the 2008 transition battle between the campaign and the transition and the 2020 sequel. Back then Obama was a member of the U.S. Senate, where he didn’t have a large staff on which to rely upon for government positions. He was also taking over the presidency in the middle of a raging economic crisis. It shouldn’t have been surprising that he would draw from a pool of talent that dominated the administration of the last Democratic president.

Today, the conventional wisdom is that Biden is actually stocking his administration with his campaign loyalists at the expense of other factions within his party. And in one sense that’s true. The top of the campaign — Ron Klain, Mike Donilon and Steve Ricchetti — will move into the top slots of the Biden White House. Biden’s two top national security advisers on the campaign will take over the two top national security jobs in the administration: Tony Blinken as Secretary of State and Jake Sullivan as national security adviser. The campaign manager, Jen O'Malley Dillon, and one of the campaign co-chairs, Rep. Cedric Richmond, will have senior White House roles.

The relatively uncontroversial nature of these picks has been by design. Internally, Biden officials have been instructed to emphasize to reporters how normal the picks are, how “these are tested leaders.” It’s seen as a success if the Biden staff and Cabinet announcements don’t make much news.

But just below that elite level there is concern bordering on panic — depending on who you talk to — about the perceived lack of outreach to many campaign alumni. “There’s real doubt about whether they will be taken care of,” said the Biden adviser.

Some of the grumbling dates back to one of the main divides in the Biden campaign: people who joined the campaign before Dillon was named campaign manager in March and those who came in after. Some in the old guard feel they were underappreciated — they won the Democratic nomination! — and were layered over by Dillon hires who are now being prioritized for White House jobs.

Several people I talked to pointed out that both Dillon and Julie Rodriguez, one of her campaign deputies, received high-profile positions in the White House before people like Kate Bedingfield and Symone Sanders, two prominent veterans from the pre-Dillon era who are still widely seen as likely to receive top communications jobs. “People who were not part of winning the hard-fought primary were placed before people who were part of that,” said the Biden adviser. "If you noticed, Jen’s people are being taken care of.”

In response to these criticisms, a Biden transition official, who asked to remain anonymous because they were concerned that the Biden campaign officials speaking out might “focus their frustrations towards me,” said in a prepared statement: “The Biden-Harris transition team includes many longtime campaign staff working alongside transition staff who have been laying the groundwork for a smooth transition for months. It is still extremely early in the process of staffing the Biden-Harris Administration and the people who put in the hard work to win will continue to be an integral part of the work moving forward."

Some of the factionalism forming is related to Biden’s long career. Not everyone involved with helping him get to the White House formally worked on the campaign. There are Biden Senate staffers, Biden vice presidential staffers, Biden presidential primary staffers, and Biden general election staffers. Some people straddle multiple eras. The current fears about the transition being taken over by the previous generation of Obama staffers who make up Washington’s permanent establishment are coming from a younger set of Biden true believers who chose to work for him in early 2019 even when all of the cool young operatives were flocking to Beto and Bernie and Warren.

Even then, there was a disconnect between the brain trust at the top of the campaign, which is now seamlessly moving to the top of the White House, and the Biden proletariat that made up the bulk of the campaign operation. The fear from the proles is that the brain trust doesn’t understand that they are being left behind. So they are speaking out — anonymously — in the hope that people like Klain and Ricchetti and Donilon, and perhaps the president-elect himself, will take notice.

In the meantime, many of these people are sitting around and waiting, often without any real understanding of how they even apply for crucial jobs.

“People are pissed,” said the Biden adviser. “I think I’m going to be taken care of but I have not been taken care of yet. I am really interested to find out how you even find out how you got a job in this White House.”
A related story of local politics where I live after one man became Mayor:

http://www.fortwaynereader.com/story.php?uid=2878
Years ago, the story goes, on winning the election Ivan Lebamoff was in the process of forming his cabinet. One young lawyer had been told by Ivan, or so that young lawyer recalled, that he would become city attorney if he worked hard enough in the campaign: back then, as now, the position means to all sorts of fees and payments and a sure route to prosperity for the firm of the chosen attorney. The young attorney’s calls to the mayor went unanswered. The young attorney became anxious. He expected a meeting with Mayor Lebamoff. Finally, after a dozen calls the attorney reached the mayor’s personal secretary. Ivan overheard the conversation, it is recounted, and simply muttered, “tell him I lied.” Hope springs eternal in each candidate’s camp where workers spend hours on phones in the hope their work or contribution will buy them a job or “access.” The candidate becomes a tease who encourages hope, but never quite utters a clear promise, except Ivan, or so we are told.
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From his picks thus far, he seems more intent on getting more "diversity" in his cabinet than actually, you know getting the best person for the job.

Still, at least those being picked have experience in those areas.
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Wonder if he'll reverse Trumps decision on the Kurds and send troops back in? Can see that being very unpopular among the American public.
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flaggETERNAL wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:58 pmFrom his picks thus far, he seems more intent on getting more "diversity" in his cabinet than actually, you know getting the best person for the job.
Well it's what he did with his heir in the event he dies.

He owes his winning the Democratic nomination to the black political caucus in D.C., plus he's Obama's legacy, so they're going to get a lot of jobs.
Wonder if he'll reverse Trumps decision on the Kurds and send troops back in? Can see that being very unpopular among the American public.
My gut says he won't. It's a win-win for him if he doesn't. If nothing about it comes up, so be it, there's no crisis for him to solve. If something does come up, he can blame Trump for it. Meanwhile he won't commit to a troop deployment in the Middle East, which most Democrats like even if it was Trump that did the action and they don't have to state loudly they were happy with him doing that.

There's a lot of people that are not these diehard conservatives highly critical of Biden on foreign policy. I know Robert Gates was, and his autobiography on his time as the younger Bush's and Obama's Defense Secretary from 2006 to 2011 is on my bookshelf and probably the next book I'll read seeing as he talks about Biden in there too. Tom Ricks who has written on foreign policy in D.C. forever when writing a scathing piece about Ben Rhodes says this back in the middle of 2016:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/12/28/a- ... cy-guru-4/
Rhodes and others around Obama keep on talking about doing all this novel thinking, playing from a new playbook, bucking the establishment thinking. But if that is the case, why have they given so much foreign policy power to two career hacks who never have had an original thought? I mean, of course, Joe Biden and John Kerry. I guess the answer can only be that those two are puppets, and (as in Biden’s case) are given losing propositions like Iraq to handle.
Biden in the 2008 primaries to resolve Iraq was a pusher of the 3 federal states setup under an Iraqi central government idea, which with the benefit of hindsight would've really helped ISIS because they would've had legitimate government control of the Sunni remnant in an unstated militia-political partnership.
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flaggETERNAL wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:58 pm Wonder if he'll reverse Trumps decision on the Kurds and send troops back in? Can see that being very unpopular among the American public.
I can't see Biden being in a hurry to add troops to anywhere unless something actually goes badly wrong ("See all these attacks? We told you it was a bad idea to pull resources out of there...")
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I see he's reached over 80,000 million votes now.
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Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:53 pm At Froggie's request.

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Thank you! Top man.

Looking forward to the next four years of discussions on here.
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Flyin Ryan wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:09 pm
flaggETERNAL wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:58 pmFrom his picks thus far, he seems more intent on getting more "diversity" in his cabinet than actually, you know getting the best person for the job.
Well it's what he did with his heir in the event he dies.

He owes his winning the Democratic nomination to the black political caucus in D.C., plus he's Obama's legacy, so they're going to get a lot of jobs.
Wonder if he'll reverse Trumps decision on the Kurds and send troops back in? Can see that being very unpopular among the American public.
My gut says he won't. It's a win-win for him if he doesn't. If nothing about it comes up, so be it, there's no crisis for him to solve. If something does come up, he can blame Trump for it. Meanwhile he won't commit to a troop deployment in the Middle East, which most Democrats like even if it was Trump that did the action and they don't have to state loudly they were happy with him doing that.

There's a lot of people that are not these diehard conservatives highly critical of Biden on foreign policy. I know Robert Gates was, and his autobiography on his time as the younger Bush's and Obama's Defense Secretary from 2006 to 2011 is on my bookshelf and probably the next book I'll read seeing as he talks about Biden in there too. Tom Ricks who has written on foreign policy in D.C. forever when writing a scathing piece about Ben Rhodes says this back in the middle of 2016:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/12/28/a- ... cy-guru-4/
Rhodes and others around Obama keep on talking about doing all this novel thinking, playing from a new playbook, bucking the establishment thinking. But if that is the case, why have they given so much foreign policy power to two career hacks who never have had an original thought? I mean, of course, Joe Biden and John Kerry. I guess the answer can only be that those two are puppets, and (as in Biden’s case) are given losing propositions like Iraq to handle.
Biden in the 2008 primaries to resolve Iraq was a pusher of the 3 federal states setup under an Iraqi central government idea, which with the benefit of hindsight would've really helped ISIS because they would've had legitimate government control of the Sunni remnant in an unstated militia-political partnership.
Agree that Biden won't revert the policy in Iraq. That ship has sailed, and the US together with their allies have let the Kurds be smashed by the Turks. There is no way back now. The idea is to try to maintain sufficient level of intelligence and control and contain the situation. However, it is a right mess in there as growing Turkish influence and ambitions are likely to unsettle the Arabs who are not keen on a new Ottoman Empire, and take them on an open clash course with Iran.

Biden challenge will be to rein in the Turks, while using them as buffer to contain Iranian (and Russian) ambitions in the region.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/news/52719 ... dent-biden

Virtuous women and men finding their virtue again now that the spoiled brat is going.
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TheFrog wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:54 am https://thehill.com/homenews/news/52719 ... dent-biden

Virtuous women and men finding their virtue again now that the spoiled brat is going.
Wow. I thought they’d at least wait until the inauguration, or at the very least until the Trump camp had given up their lawsuits. I mean, obviously it’s blatant hypocrisy, but I didn’t expect them to openly discuss their blatant hypocrisy so early.
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Still on one page only? Shows how "entertaining" Trump has been.
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Sprained ankle over the weekend from playing with his dog.

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Flyin Ryan wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:43 pm Sprained ankle over the weekend from playing with his dog.

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Frail president. Not a good start....
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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ow/617228/

Interesting read. I think one of Biden challenge will be to look after these rural communities, intrinsically conservatives, and who feel they are the people left behind by the system. They are the ones who feel that Washington has only contempt for them and they voted Trump in to say how much they hate those who look down on them.
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TheFrog wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:46 pm https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ow/617228/

Interesting read. I think one of Biden challenge will be to look after these rural communities, intrinsically conservatives, and who feel they are the people left behind by the system. They are the ones who feel that Washington has only contempt for them and they voted Trump in to say how much they hate those who look down on them.
Democrats are clueless and hopeless in rural communities. They're too far gone until you get some kind of 1932 massive realignment. I'm not concerned with just president, I'm concerned with everyone also underneath president. There's signs of anti-Trump swing in most areas of the country but you go down one race on the ballot and that swing did not extend to downballot Democrats at all, and the country outside of the presidency has pretty much gone more Republican every election 2010 onwards with the exception of 2018. It's why there's a lot of gnashing of teeth with congressional Democrats on why they didn't get these big gains they were expecting on the coattails of Biden and instead lost seats. I look at Indiana state Democrats and there's no realistic path I see to them winning control of the state legislature again in the foreseeable future.
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Well, you'd hope they learn their lessons by now... Trump has been a serious warning about what could happen to the country if the drift continues.

There are a lot of suffering people out there. I have driven through the Appalachia in Virginia and West Virginia and what I saw hurts. There is so much poverty out there, in the most beautiful landscapes, it was a shock to me who is discovering your country for the first time.
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TheFrog wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:44 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:43 pm Sprained ankle over the weekend from playing with his dog.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.tmz.com ... ed-doctor/
Frail president. Not a good start....
Dogs back in the WH: AWESOME start.
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Short Man Syndrome wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:12 pm
TheFrog wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:44 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:43 pm Sprained ankle over the weekend from playing with his dog.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.tmz.com ... ed-doctor/
Frail president. Not a good start....
Dogs back in the WH: AWESOME start.
reckless. Dogs are a tripping hazard around senior citizens. Even the Queen’s corgis got a bullet after a while. Watch out for Kamala on the grassy knoll with doggie treats.
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TheFrog wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:44 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:43 pm Sprained ankle over the weekend from playing with his dog.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.tmz.com ... ed-doctor/
Frail president. Not a good start....
Can't help but think that President Biden only lasting six months before resigning due to ill health would piss Trump off even more.
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Yer Man wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:08 pm
TheFrog wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:44 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:43 pm Sprained ankle over the weekend from playing with his dog.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.tmz.com ... ed-doctor/
Frail president. Not a good start....
Can't help but think that President Biden only lasting six months before resigning due to ill health would piss Trump off even more.
Has a president - elect ever died before assuming office ? If ankle-paddy dies thanks to Fido, does trump still have to leave or is it in their constitution to say let’s have a rerun ?
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Image

Fido? :lol:
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Zico wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:36 pm Image

Fido? :lol:
A man of good taste when it comes to dogs I see :thumbup:
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TheFrog wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:08 pm Well, you'd hope they learn their lessons by now... Trump has been a serious warning about what could happen to the country if the drift continues.
Depends who wins the fight between the moderates and the more left in the party. The more left and the minorities in the party do not acknowledge anything exists beyond cities because they have no power base there. Democrats in Indiana who are in superminority status have in my opinion abandoned any pretenses of winning majority power and now just serve their own localized communities which are heavily formed by identity politics. They're in the middle of a leadership fight acknowledging they've hit the bottom and trying to figure the way back up, but as long as the party's "belief system" is heavily influenced by national politics, they're doomed to fail because the big cities are always going to control the narrative for Democrats and that's not the world that exists in Indiana or a lot of other places. Easy to see in this paradigm that Biden was a middling compromise to gain power and kick the can for 4 years on internal party arguments. The future for Republicans is not necessarily rosy either, but for the Democrats the Pelosi replacement for House leadership is going to be a big test which will happen in 2022, and the next presidential candidate likewise. Remove Biden from this past primary and that would've been a quagmire where no one made everyone happy. There was a clear majority that hated Sanders but that majority could not agree on what they wanted either pre-Obama, South Carolina blacks, and party bigshots declaring the field cleared for Biden.
There are a lot of suffering people out there. I have driven through the Appalachia in Virginia and West Virginia and what I saw hurts. There is so much poverty out there, in the most beautiful landscapes, it was a shock to me who is discovering your country for the first time.
Well past service jobs there's not really jobs there...outside of coal mining. Your skiing snobs go to the Rockies instead and tourism is an overrated industry anyway as this pandemic shows. Coal's bad for the environment, yes. But take that away, nothing is going to replace it, anyone that mentions "retraining" or "reeducation" deserves to get bitchslapped, and the community dies. I agree though. I have a lot of extended family in the mountains of eastern Kentucky and driven through there and West Virginia many times. It's very beautiful.

West Virginia not that long ago was a diehard Democratic state. It was one of only eight states to vote for Dukakis against Bush in 1988. Trump won it 69-29.
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backrow wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:12 pm
Yer Man wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:08 pm
TheFrog wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:44 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:43 pm Sprained ankle over the weekend from playing with his dog.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.tmz.com ... ed-doctor/
Frail president. Not a good start....
Can't help but think that President Biden only lasting six months before resigning due to ill health would piss Trump off even more.
Has a president - elect ever died before assuming office ? If ankle-paddy dies thanks to Fido, does trump still have to leave or is it in their constitution to say let’s have a rerun ?
William Henry Harrison died 30 days after his inauguration, and was pretty much in ill health the whole time.

This was discussed in the Trump thread; Donny's out on January 20th, no matter what, and the new broom is in, be it Joe, Kamala, or even Speaker Nancy, who IIRC is 3rd in line.
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TheFrog wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:08 pm Well, you'd hope they learn their lessons by now... Trump has been a serious warning about what could happen to the country if the drift continues.

There are a lot of suffering people out there. I have driven through the Appalachia in Virginia and West Virginia and what I saw hurts. There is so much poverty out there, in the most beautiful landscapes, it was a shock to me who is discovering your country for the first time.
The issue is, did the Democrats really learn from the Trump case? Certainly it doesn't look like they have, their 2016-2020 actions where basically to double down and scream at everybody. even if some learned to many didn't.
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Trump was too easy to beat this time. But they should not forget the first time.
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EverReady wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:40 pm He fractured his ankle. Roosevelt was dying during one of the most tumultuous times in history and cracked on. Biden will be fine
and Jacinda has kindly offered to help guide him on COVID response, he will be getting some world class leadership to help carry the burden.
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For better or worse the US is no longer the leader of the free world.

In four years time the US could have Orange Scumbag 2.0 or some relative of, running another clown show.

The world is already rewiring itself to work around the US, the Biden admin should not try to interfere with that. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
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apparently Joe was enthusiastic about reinvigorating relations, Fox viewers less so.
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People like Neera Tanden are just the kind to bring rural voters into the Democrat tent. :thumbup:
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