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Time magazine has named Joe Biden and Kamala Harris 2020's Person of the Year.
The two made history on November 7 when they beat Donald Trump in a bitter election that put him in a small club of presidents who served only one term. Harris on that day became the country's first female, first Black and first South Asian vice president-elect.
"For changing the American story, for showing that the forces of empathy are greater than the furies of division, for sharing a vision of healing in a grieving world, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are TIME's 2020 Person of the Year," wrote Time editor-in-chief Edward Felsenthal.
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Good look team, no?

Biden looks like a young Bruce Wayne.

Kamala is Halle Berry's catwoman to his US Batman
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shanky wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 7:52 am Good look team, no?

Biden looks like a young Bruce Wayne.

Kamala is Halle Berry's catwoman to his US Batman
Biden looks like an escapee from Madam Tussaud's, as is usual for him. Harris looks unremarkable (not a bad thing).
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A bombshell report this week revealed Christine Fang, an alleged Chinese spy, was able to get close to multiple politicians. In particular, Fang cultivated close ties to California Rep. Eric Swalwell (D), for whom she worked as a fundraisier and campaign aide. For his part, Swalwell, who is on the Intelligence Committee, cut off ties to Fang when he was informed of her possible status as a foreign agent. However, Swalwell notably refused to say if he had sex with her (he was single at the time). Fang has also been shown to have interacted with Rep. Judy Chu (D), outgoing Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D), ex-Rep. Mike Honda (D), California State Rep. Ash Kalra (D), and multiple other politicians. Fang, who fled the country in 2015, is also accused of having sexual relationships with two unidentified Midwestern Mayors.
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Flyin Ryan wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:19 pm https://www.axios.com/china-spy-califor ... af589.html
A bombshell report this week revealed Christine Fang, an alleged Chinese spy, was able to get close to multiple politicians. In particular, Fang cultivated close ties to California Rep. Eric Swalwell (D), for whom she worked as a fundraisier and campaign aide. For his part, Swalwell, who is on the Intelligence Committee, cut off ties to Fang when he was informed of her possible status as a foreign agent. However, Swalwell notably refused to say if he had sex with her (he was single at the time). Fang has also been shown to have interacted with Rep. Judy Chu (D), outgoing Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D), ex-Rep. Mike Honda (D), California State Rep. Ash Kalra (D), and multiple other politicians. Fang, who fled the country in 2015, is also accused of having sexual relationships with two unidentified Midwestern Mayors.
The Eric Swalwell who was pushing Russiagate? :shock:
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Ted Cruz was very rude about Eric’s handling of foreign affairs.
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TheFrog wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:31 am https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/ ... xes-444139

With Durham as special counsel... impeachment coming in... Ah... the GOP doesn't control the house.... too bad. Would they want to put Harris in charge though?

What is sure is that Biden will be under intense scrutinity.
Cotton alleged during a Fox News interview that Hunter Biden appears to be the subject of a far-ranging investigation and cited allegations of securities fraud, money laundering and "a crooked hospital deal with Jim Biden, Joe Biden's brother" in Western Pennsylvania.

"These investigations span multiple jurisdictions and if Joe Biden becomes president then all of those prosecutors are in line to be fired next month
Cotton is so aware of the precedents set by Trump, he is rightly worried.
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TheFrog wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:33 pm
TheFrog wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:31 am https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/ ... xes-444139

With Durham as special counsel... impeachment coming in... Ah... the GOP doesn't control the house.... too bad. Would they want to put Harris in charge though?

What is sure is that Biden will be under intense scrutinity.
Cotton alleged during a Fox News interview that Hunter Biden appears to be the subject of a far-ranging investigation and cited allegations of securities fraud, money laundering and "a crooked hospital deal with Jim Biden, Joe Biden's brother" in Western Pennsylvania.

"These investigations span multiple jurisdictions and if Joe Biden becomes president then all of those prosecutors are in line to be fired next month
Cotton is so aware of the precedents set by Trump, he is rightly worried.
What about them Democrats, eh?

They learn enough from the 2016 debacle not to run Hilary Davos-Cthulhu again but not enough to avoid anointing one of the Dodgy Brothers.

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SCOTUS rejects the latest plea from the Republicans (via Texas) in Pennsylvania.
Texas cannot interfere on how other States run their elections.

It's all over red rover.
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Given the hysteria that accompanies every conservative nomination to SCOTUS I find it hard to believe that that decision is real.
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Santa wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 4:10 pm Given the hysteria that accompanies every conservative nomination to SCOTUS I find it hard to believe that that decision is real.
Tell us all about finding it hard to believe hysteria is real, you hysterical Nazi tit.
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Santa wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 4:10 pm Given the hysteria that accompanies every conservative nomination to SCOTUS I find it hard to believe that that decision is real.
It's a shame they didn't agree to hear the case - it would have been hilarious seeing them pull apart the ridiculous claims being made.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 4.html?amp

The hunt by MSM is on.

No doubt Santa will soon be crying wolf seeing how unfairly MSM treat Biden.
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Buttigieg will be Biden's appointment for Transportation Secretary. I largely view this as sidelining him as far as any future federal electoral ambitions he might have. Some think this allows him to have a reason to move to northern Virginia for a job and he can then run for Governor of Virginia down the line.

Another take on his qualifications for the job:
I don't know why there are so many complaints about Pete not being qualified for Transportation? I mean, he was mayor of a city with a population of over 100,000. He probably doesn't have know everything in detail since you usually have experts in your senior staff and the whole department to take care of certain things. I can't imagine Transportation Secretary is such a difficult job a guy like him is not able to quickly learn. Do I miss something here? Or is it just that people don't like Pete?
Fine, here's a genuine, non-snarky answer: There are lots of people who have the type of experience in transportation policy that would allow them to make a real impact in the role. Beth Osborne is currently director of a national advocacy group on transportation policy and was previously one of the Obama administration's top transportation officials. Janette Sadik-Khan is a former commissioner of the NYC DOT; Phil Washington currently serves in a similar role in LA. Someone like Earl Blumenauer, who's spent his entire career in Congress advocating for cyclists and mass transit, would have been a better pick. Hell, even Rahm has obvious knowledge and interest in mass transit. There are people who have devoted their lives to transportation policy who would be able to make a difference in the role on day one.

Instead, Biden picked someone whose experience in transportation amounts to negotiating the purchase of some new busses and repaving some streets in America's 310th-largest city. He is handing out a post to a campaign loyalist instead of using it to try to make a difference on transportation policy, which is something that impacts the lives of millions of people. These positions (should) have a function greater than serving as a stepping-stone to a 2028 presidential campaign

And yes, it is particularly galling when the political choice is a Harvard-educated faculty brat who has done nothing in his career but inexplicably fail upwards. But that's certainly not what's at the root of the objection — the problem is that he has virtually no experience in the area and no clear agenda to make things better, and he's being chosen over experienced, dedicated people who have both.
I thought Buttigieg's best case was HUD Secretary.
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People literally fleeing New York.
Roughly a net of 70,000 New York City residents have left the area since COVID-19 first hit the country earlier this year, resulting in approximately $34 billion in lost income, according to a study released Tuesday by location analytics company Unacast.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... nal-income
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Santa wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:33 pm People literally fleeing New York.
Roughly a net of 70,000 New York City residents have left the area since COVID-19 first hit the country earlier this year, resulting in approximately $34 billion in lost income, according to a study released Tuesday by location analytics company Unacast.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... nal-income
Was happening before Covid hit. See article below. Although 70k strikes me way too low. I think they're flawed on new arrivals. International migration is a big thing for New York but how much of that went on this year with Covid and border closures?

https://www.theday.com/article/20201205/NWS12/201209641

"Even before Covid-19, 2600 people a week were leaving NYC"

State is guaranteed to lose 1 Congressman post-census but it might be 2.
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Flyin Ryan wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:15 am
Santa wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:33 pm People literally fleeing New York.
Roughly a net of 70,000 New York City residents have left the area since COVID-19 first hit the country earlier this year, resulting in approximately $34 billion in lost income, according to a study released Tuesday by location analytics company Unacast.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... nal-income
Was happening before Covid hit. See article below. Although 70k strikes me way too low. I think they're flawed on new arrivals. International migration is a big thing for New York but how much of that went on this year with Covid and border closures?

https://www.theday.com/article/20201205/NWS12/201209641

"Even before Covid-19, 2600 people a week were leaving NYC"

State is guaranteed to lose 1 Congressman post-census but it might be 2.
Good. Yeah some of the numbers look a bit screwy. Is 3.5m in and out likely? On the other hand the 3.5m is described as moving into and out of neighbourhoods so there could be between neighbourhood churn that doeant affect overall population.

Still, I looked the outfit up and they seem to have done some work on reputable projects.
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Santa wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:20 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:15 am
Santa wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:33 pm People literally fleeing New York.
Roughly a net of 70,000 New York City residents have left the area since COVID-19 first hit the country earlier this year, resulting in approximately $34 billion in lost income, according to a study released Tuesday by location analytics company Unacast.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... nal-income
Was happening before Covid hit. See article below. Although 70k strikes me way too low. I think they're flawed on new arrivals. International migration is a big thing for New York but how much of that went on this year with Covid and border closures?

https://www.theday.com/article/20201205/NWS12/201209641

"Even before Covid-19, 2600 people a week were leaving NYC"

State is guaranteed to lose 1 Congressman post-census but it might be 2.
Good. Yeah some of the numbers look a bit screwy. Is 3.5m in and out likely? On the other hand the 3.5m is described as moving into and out of neighbourhoods so there could be between neighbourhood churn that doeant affect overall population.

Still, I looked the outfit up and they seem to have done some work on reputable projects.
If borders were closed and New York City was in a lockdown April 1st, how were people (legally) immigrating that month prior? There's also the anecdotal evidence of apartment vacancy rates in the city substantially increased, although that's probably more biased to the high-end than the low-end.

The issue with the census for this year is Covid kind of hit at a terrible time for it. The magic census date is supposed to be where you lived on April 1st. I for example moved this past August but the census will count my family and I at our old address. Now if people moved in say May and hit their new one in there or if they moved in March and hit their old one, there's no real way to correct it because most census personnel's activity is going to people that have not responded. I think in the end they say "close enough" and say it's all a wash, but it's a bit of a flaw in the setup of the system if you have a larger than normal domestic migration of people at the time of the census as census personnel are trying to find people that have moved out of the area. So if people moved out of New York City to Westchester or New Jersey in say May, there's no way to tell where the people would've counted if they hadn't done the census already.

Of the online community of amateur redistricting posters, they think if they lose 1 district it'll come from Upstate and if they lose 2 it'll be 1 from Upstate (1 currently held by a Republican) and 1 from the City (by definition has to be a Democrat, likely a congresswoman named Velasquez because she has no natural constituency due to her district carving up the boroughs, although if the Democratic supermajority New York legislature are in the mood they could seriously f*ck over Ocasio-Cortez and carve up her district).
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FR, I know nothing about this redistricting stuff. If the Dems lose a Congressman they just come straight out of the House and the majority is reduced. Is that it?
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Santa wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:25 pm FR, I know nothing about this redistricting stuff. If the Dems lose a Congressman they just come straight out of the House and the majority is reduced. Is that it?
There will be one less seat for NY at the next election, and one more for a growing, more rural state like Virginia or Georgia. It’ll be up to the officials in the state receiving the new seat where to put that in their boundaries.

So if NY loses an upstate seat, and Virginia gains a seat in the DC suburbs, it could actually mean the Dems gaining a seat. Unlikely for it to shake out that way exactly, but possible.
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Santa wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:25 pm FR, I know nothing about this redistricting stuff. If the Dems lose a Congressman they just come straight out of the House and the majority is reduced. Is that it?
Everyone elected this past November serves until 2022. The new districts won't take effect until the 2022 elections.

Covid has made things for the last few seats more up in the air than it otherwise would be. But just talking the presidential election, 4 congressmen would get taken away from states Biden won and 4 added to states Trump won, so the Electoral College vote would be 302-236 Biden.

Gainers:

Oregon +1
Arizona +1
Colorado +1
North Carolina +1
Florida +1 or +2
Texas +2, maybe +3
Montana even or maybe +1

New York -1 or -2
Pennsylvania -1
Illinois -1
Rhode Island -1
West Virginia -1
Michigan -1
California -1, some talk about -2
Minnesota even or maybe -1
Alabama even or maybe -1

Rhode Island presently has 2 Democratic Congressmen, they're going down to 1 seat, so Democrats lose 1 there. West Virginia has 3 Republican Congressmen, they're going down to 2 seats, so Republicans lose 1 there.

It also depends on where the population gains or losses or just not growing as fast as the country mean have been happening. For example, the City of Los Angeles will likely lose a congressman due to population trends (may more or less combine Karen Bass and Maxine Waters, good riddance to whoever loses there), but the San Bernandino Valley inland has really exploded since 2010 due to people going further inland til they can find somewhere with more modest living expenses, so even with California losing a district (first time ever) it can mean a more tightly held district drawn to reflect what those people think.

Usually state legislatures get leaned on to protect incumbents, so unless you see switches in party control you rarely get 2 serving Congressmen against each other, although in areas where seats go down it's required, and usually whoever is the weaker of the 2 will "retire" or find a new job. Districts with new congressmen who were just elected don't have any tenure or power in state capitals so their districts are considered fair game to get significantly changed.

It's not just Congress that gets redistricted from the census. They redistrict state legislatures, city councils, county councils, etc.

Census Bureau did release estimates yesterday:
But when it does, the bureau estimates the count may show that the U.S. population has grown by as much as 8.7% since the 2010 census, which produced a count of 308.7 million people.

According to the bureau's Demographic Analysis estimates released Tuesday, the number of people living in the country as of this year's Census Day, April 1, could fall within the range of 330.7 million to 335.5 million.
So the average House district in 2010 represented 710,000 people and after 2020 will represent 766,000 people. Or the number of Congressmen really needs to increase. A House with a size of 600 would be 555,000 people per district. Although the practical effects in the House considering how highly centralized both parties' leadership is would be to create an extra 165 pieces of furniture with no independent decision-making power beyond their 1 vote. It's why a lot of politicians go into the House and then realize they don't like it.
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Biden on now, hailing Buttigieg as the first openly gay person along with others who are the first black, woman whatever person in their position...

Is this the wokest government ever?

BUT I see no one representing Kiwis and Irish in this government, and I am appalled. Appalled. So I demand to be in this government. I'm not really qualified for anything, and actually not that good at anything, but dammit what does that matter? I demand representation!
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No one representing the Irish...ehhhhhhhh
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According to how race and ethnicity works in America, there's no such thing as Irish or Italian or Polish, etc. anymore on a national context, there's just white. The blacks, Latinos, Asians don't distinguish the different European nationalities and in a larger context in white society it's rapidly dying due to increased movement around the country as well as intermarriage between all the white ethnic nationalities. The only places they really exist to any degree are eastern seaboard and a few Midwest cities, normally when they all go to a Catholic Church because Catholics marry Catholics and you can go back four or so generations all living in the same city.
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This will definitely be the strongest US government ever. All the research says that. :thumbup:
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Flyin Ryan wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:10 pm According to how race and ethnicity works in America, there's no such thing as Irish or Italian or Polish, etc. anymore on a national context, there's just white. The blacks, Latinos, Asians don't distinguish the different European nationalities and in a larger context in white society it's rapidly dying due to increased movement around the country as well as intermarriage between all the white ethnic nationalities. The only places they really exist to any degree are eastern seaboard and a few Midwest cities, normally when they all go to a Catholic Church because Catholics marry Catholics and you can go back four or so generations all living in the same city.
Yeah, I watch some of these programs where people try to trace their ancestry and I just think "how can you not know where you came from, it's your heritage?". Being just a generic white guy is a bit boring really.
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Whatever wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:56 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:10 pm According to how race and ethnicity works in America, there's no such thing as Irish or Italian or Polish, etc. anymore on a national context, there's just white. The blacks, Latinos, Asians don't distinguish the different European nationalities and in a larger context in white society it's rapidly dying due to increased movement around the country as well as intermarriage between all the white ethnic nationalities. The only places they really exist to any degree are eastern seaboard and a few Midwest cities, normally when they all go to a Catholic Church because Catholics marry Catholics and you can go back four or so generations all living in the same city.
Yeah, I watch some of these programs where people try to trace their ancestry and I just think "how can you not know where you came from, it's your heritage?". Being just a generic white guy is a bit boring really.
Why? If you're a generic white guy in America your heritage is putting a man - a few men - on the moon. On the f.ucking moon. Not bad in the scale of human achievement.
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Santa wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:37 pm
Whatever wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:56 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:10 pm According to how race and ethnicity works in America, there's no such thing as Irish or Italian or Polish, etc. anymore on a national context, there's just white. The blacks, Latinos, Asians don't distinguish the different European nationalities and in a larger context in white society it's rapidly dying due to increased movement around the country as well as intermarriage between all the white ethnic nationalities. The only places they really exist to any degree are eastern seaboard and a few Midwest cities, normally when they all go to a Catholic Church because Catholics marry Catholics and you can go back four or so generations all living in the same city.
Yeah, I watch some of these programs where people try to trace their ancestry and I just think "how can you not know where you came from, it's your heritage?". Being just a generic white guy is a bit boring really.
Why? If you're a generic white guy in America your heritage is putting a man - a few men - on the moon. On the f.ucking moon. Not bad in the scale of human achievement.
So everyone involved in putting a man on the moon was a white guy? Anyway man on the moon was so 60s. Now we're building a big, beautiful wall. :thumbup:

And yet, I grieve for the lost white tribes of America. :(
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Whatever wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:39 am
Santa wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:37 pm
Whatever wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:56 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:10 pm According to how race and ethnicity works in America, there's no such thing as Irish or Italian or Polish, etc. anymore on a national context, there's just white. The blacks, Latinos, Asians don't distinguish the different European nationalities and in a larger context in white society it's rapidly dying due to increased movement around the country as well as intermarriage between all the white ethnic nationalities. The only places they really exist to any degree are eastern seaboard and a few Midwest cities, normally when they all go to a Catholic Church because Catholics marry Catholics and you can go back four or so generations all living in the same city.
Yeah, I watch some of these programs where people try to trace their ancestry and I just think "how can you not know where you came from, it's your heritage?". Being just a generic white guy is a bit boring really.
Why? If you're a generic white guy in America your heritage is putting a man - a few men - on the moon. On the f.ucking moon. Not bad in the scale of human achievement.
So everyone involved in putting a man on the moon was a white guy? Anyway man on the moon was so 60s. Now we're building a big, beautiful wall. :thumbup:

And yet, I grieve for the lost white tribes of America. :(
I agree with you. Egyptians shouldn't be proud of their heritage like, say, the Giza pyramids because everyone who built them was not Egyptian. :thumbup:

And what we know from the talkies is that nobody would have got to the moon with those three black lady mathematicians. Nobody else in NASA could have done those sums. Another first for Africa. :thumbup:
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Biden's pick for Veterans Affairs is... interesting.

Denis McDonough has no military experience, has never run a large bureaucracy and has no background in healthcare. He is, however, an Obama alum and that appears to be enough.

Veretans groups now pissed off because they are being asked to support a nomination they were never consulted on.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... ns-groups/
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Santa wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:16 am
Whatever wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:39 am
Santa wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:37 pm
Whatever wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:56 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:10 pm According to how race and ethnicity works in America, there's no such thing as Irish or Italian or Polish, etc. anymore on a national context, there's just white. The blacks, Latinos, Asians don't distinguish the different European nationalities and in a larger context in white society it's rapidly dying due to increased movement around the country as well as intermarriage between all the white ethnic nationalities. The only places they really exist to any degree are eastern seaboard and a few Midwest cities, normally when they all go to a Catholic Church because Catholics marry Catholics and you can go back four or so generations all living in the same city.
Yeah, I watch some of these programs where people try to trace their ancestry and I just think "how can you not know where you came from, it's your heritage?". Being just a generic white guy is a bit boring really.
Why? If you're a generic white guy in America your heritage is putting a man - a few men - on the moon. On the f.ucking moon. Not bad in the scale of human achievement.
So everyone involved in putting a man on the moon was a white guy? Anyway man on the moon was so 60s. Now we're building a big, beautiful wall. :thumbup:

And yet, I grieve for the lost white tribes of America. :(
I agree with you. Egyptians shouldn't be proud of their heritage like, say, the Giza pyramids because everyone who built them was not Egyptian. :thumbup:

And what we know from the talkies is that nobody would have got to the moon with those three black lady mathematicians. Nobody else in NASA could have done those sums. Another first for Africa. :thumbup:
Ah, another one suggesting that black people are African, not American.

Okay.
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And they wonder why BLM started
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4071 wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:47 am
Santa wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:16 am
Whatever wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:39 am
Santa wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:37 pm
Whatever wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:56 pm
Yeah, I watch some of these programs where people try to trace their ancestry and I just think "how can you not know where you came from, it's your heritage?". Being just a generic white guy is a bit boring really.
Why? If you're a generic white guy in America your heritage is putting a man - a few men - on the moon. On the f.ucking moon. Not bad in the scale of human achievement.
So everyone involved in putting a man on the moon was a white guy? Anyway man on the moon was so 60s. Now we're building a big, beautiful wall. :thumbup:

And yet, I grieve for the lost white tribes of America. :(
I agree with you. Egyptians shouldn't be proud of their heritage like, say, the Giza pyramids because everyone who built them was not Egyptian. :thumbup:

And what we know from the talkies is that nobody would have got to the moon with those three black lady mathematicians. Nobody else in NASA could have done those sums. Another first for Africa. :thumbup:
Ah, another one suggesting that black people are African, not American.

Okay.
Black people aren't African?

Okay.
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carlos_c wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:56 am And they wonder why BLM started
I can think of 10 billion reasons why BLM started.
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Whatever wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:56 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:10 pm According to how race and ethnicity works in America, there's no such thing as Irish or Italian or Polish, etc. anymore on a national context, there's just white. The blacks, Latinos, Asians don't distinguish the different European nationalities and in a larger context in white society it's rapidly dying due to increased movement around the country as well as intermarriage between all the white ethnic nationalities. The only places they really exist to any degree are eastern seaboard and a few Midwest cities, normally when they all go to a Catholic Church because Catholics marry Catholics and you can go back four or so generations all living in the same city.
Yeah, I watch some of these programs where people try to trace their ancestry and I just think "how can you not know where you came from, it's your heritage?". Being just a generic white guy is a bit boring really.
Guy in my mom's family from the 1950s traced them back to coming over in 1760 from Germany (well, Baden-Wurttemberg in the Holy Roman Empire to be more accurate). My dad's family however requires a lot of digging and research because my great grandfather was kind of orphaned, but we're probably Scotch-Irish.

One difference I've read between Americans (Canadians can be included with Americans as well because they're the same) and Europeans is we move large distances more easily while Europeans largely don't. It's not just a moving from Italy to France problem, it's a moving from one city in Germany to another city in Germany problem. Economically it creates larger workforce problems in Europe due to you can't get the workers where you need them. A side effect of that is people here aren't as connected to their "roots". Where I've moved to recently is where my wife is from, and everyone knows everyone and go back enough generations, maybe related. I'm from a military town in contrast so it's odd to me.
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Santa wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:50 pm
4071 wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:47 am
Santa wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:16 am
Whatever wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:39 am
Santa wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:37 pm

Why? If you're a generic white guy in America your heritage is putting a man - a few men - on the moon. On the f.ucking moon. Not bad in the scale of human achievement.
So everyone involved in putting a man on the moon was a white guy? Anyway man on the moon was so 60s. Now we're building a big, beautiful wall. :thumbup:

And yet, I grieve for the lost white tribes of America. :(
I agree with you. Egyptians shouldn't be proud of their heritage like, say, the Giza pyramids because everyone who built them was not Egyptian. :thumbup:

And what we know from the talkies is that nobody would have got to the moon with those three black lady mathematicians. Nobody else in NASA could have done those sums. Another first for Africa. :thumbup:
Ah, another one suggesting that black people are African, not American.

Okay.
Black people aren't African?

Okay.
Are you African if you've never so much as visited Africa? It sounds as if race is really important to you.
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koroke hangareka wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:07 pm
Santa wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:50 pm
4071 wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:47 am
Santa wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:16 am
Whatever wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:39 am
So everyone involved in putting a man on the moon was a white guy? Anyway man on the moon was so 60s. Now we're building a big, beautiful wall. :thumbup:

And yet, I grieve for the lost white tribes of America. :(
I agree with you. Egyptians shouldn't be proud of their heritage like, say, the Giza pyramids because everyone who built them was not Egyptian. :thumbup:

And what we know from the talkies is that nobody would have got to the moon with those three black lady mathematicians. Nobody else in NASA could have done those sums. Another first for Africa. :thumbup:
Ah, another one suggesting that black people are African, not American.

Okay.
Black people aren't African?

Okay.
Are you African if you've never so much as visited Africa? It sounds as if race is really important to you.
Depends who you ask. The NAACP will never accept a white South African whose family has been there 4 generations as being African. African-American is a stand-in for black. When Lewis Hamilton won the U.S. Grand Prix at Indianapolis, ESPN had him on TV. The only reason they cared is he was black, if Nico Rosberg won it wasn't like they would have invited him on. The presenter who knew nothing about racing I'm sure commented he was "the first African-American to win a major auto race here". I'm watching this live and thinking "he's not American!" If this was pointed out to her she'd've stumbled for a few seconds and then might've come up with "African-British".
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Whatever wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:39 am
Santa wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:37 pm
Whatever wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:56 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:10 pm According to how race and ethnicity works in America, there's no such thing as Irish or Italian or Polish, etc. anymore on a national context, there's just white. The blacks, Latinos, Asians don't distinguish the different European nationalities and in a larger context in white society it's rapidly dying due to increased movement around the country as well as intermarriage between all the white ethnic nationalities. The only places they really exist to any degree are eastern seaboard and a few Midwest cities, normally when they all go to a Catholic Church because Catholics marry Catholics and you can go back four or so generations all living in the same city.
Yeah, I watch some of these programs where people try to trace their ancestry and I just think "how can you not know where you came from, it's your heritage?". Being just a generic white guy is a bit boring really.
Why? If you're a generic white guy in America your heritage is putting a man - a few men - on the moon. On the f.ucking moon. Not bad in the scale of human achievement.
So everyone involved in putting a man on the moon was a white guy? Anyway man on the moon was so 60s. Now we're building a big, beautiful wall. :thumbup:

And yet, I grieve for the lost white tribes of America. :(
Katherine Johnson anyone? :?
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