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Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:31 pm
by puku
fatcat wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:04 pm
piquant wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:14 pm

And it's not like he's creating the problem at the border, that's very much being driven by other factors. He's merely not looking to finance the ongoing build of a largely pointless vanity project
Of course he's created the problems - promising citizenship to an existing 11m illegal immigrants and throwing out an open invitation to anyone wanting to make the journey. How can it possibly not be his fault?
Resorting to hyperbole to make a point is not a good look. Btw, Biden has promised citizenship to 11 million illegal immigrants? You have a source for that?

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:36 pm
by fatcat
puku wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:29 pm
fatcat wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:24 pm That's strange - in Trump's pandemic year the numbers reduced.
These things fluctuate.

2019

https://www.businessinsider.com/border- ... 07-2019-10
Yes, as I said, they went down in the pandemic year of 2020. I believe March's figure is the highest monthly figure for around 20 years. Perhaps this is also fluctuation.

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:36 pm
by piquant
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puku wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:29 pm
fatcat wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:24 pm That's strange - in Trump's pandemic year the numbers reduced.
These things fluctuate.

2019

https://www.businessinsider.com/border- ... 07-2019-10
And not all actions follow in immediate fashion. Though if someone wanted to discount the pandemic as a thing and focus on safety, economic opportunity and the global climate crisis as the drivers then it would make more sense than supposing saying mean things and building a few dozen miles of wall would make the difference

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:38 pm
by Mick Mannock
The spinning and excuses for Mr Biden is pretty much as expected.

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:44 pm
by fatcat
puku wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:31 pm
fatcat wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:04 pm
piquant wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:14 pm

And it's not like he's creating the problem at the border, that's very much being driven by other factors. He's merely not looking to finance the ongoing build of a largely pointless vanity project
Of course he's created the problems - promising citizenship to an existing 11m illegal immigrants and throwing out an open invitation to anyone wanting to make the journey. How can it possibly not be his fault?
Resorting to hyperbole to make a point is not a good look. Btw, Biden has promised citizenship to 11 million illegal immigrants? You have a source for that?
Really? Better tell that to virtually everyone else on these US politics threads as well as me then. I will be keeping an eye on you also. Anyway, 'throwing out an open invitation' is not exactly a million miles from the truth.

Biden promising citizenship may also be mild hyperbole - his election promise was to create a pathway to citizenship for 11m illegals, er I mean undocumented people. Tomayto tomahto.

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:45 pm
by puku
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:38 pm The spinning and excuses for Mr Biden is pretty much as expected.
Less spin and more a nuanced understanding on how things work in the real world.

What is happening at the southern border is undoubtedly a challenge for Biden and the GOP are all over it like white on rice. At only a few months in, I'm not ready to cast it as a failure unlike some here. The bigger problem facing the US is how we emerge from Covid and for that I'm giving him high marks compared to the cluster that was the Trump administration

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:47 pm
by fatcat
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:38 pm The spinning and excuses for Mr Biden is pretty much as expected.
It's impossible for him to do anything wrong. He will go down as the best president ever; the only president who got every single decision absolutely spot on.

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:49 pm
by puku
fatcat wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:44 pm
puku wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:31 pm
fatcat wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:04 pm
piquant wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:14 pm

And it's not like he's creating the problem at the border, that's very much being driven by other factors. He's merely not looking to finance the ongoing build of a largely pointless vanity project
Of course he's created the problems - promising citizenship to an existing 11m illegal immigrants and throwing out an open invitation to anyone wanting to make the journey. How can it possibly not be his fault?
Resorting to hyperbole to make a point is not a good look. Btw, Biden has promised citizenship to 11 million illegal immigrants? You have a source for that?
Really? Better tell that to virtually everyone else on these US politics threads as well as me then. I will be keeping an eye on you also. Anyway, 'throwing out an open invitation' is not exactly a million miles from the truth.

Biden promising citizenship may also be mild hyperbole - his election promise was to create a pathway to citizenship for 11m illegals, er I mean undocumented people. Tomayto tomahto.
:lol:

DACA is eminently sensible and does not exactly promise automatic citizenship. Why do Brits like you and Mick have such a hard on for US politics? You and he seem to buy into the old GOP chestnut of "the Dems just want to expand their voter base by allowing unfettered access from the southern border", as though that is even possible.

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:50 pm
by puku
fatcat wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:47 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:38 pm The spinning and excuses for Mr Biden is pretty much as expected.
It's impossible for him to do anything wrong. He will go down as the best president ever; the only president who got every single decision absolutely spot on.
More hyperbole :(

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:51 pm
by Mick Mannock
puku wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:45 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:38 pm The spinning and excuses for Mr Biden is pretty much as expected.
Less spin and more a nuanced understanding on how things work in the real world.

What is happening at the southern border is undoubtedly a challenge for Biden and the GOP are all over it like white on rice. At only a few months in, I'm not ready to cast it as a failure unlike some here. The bigger problem facing the US is how we emerge from Covid and for that I'm giving him high marks compared to the cluster that was the Trump administration
If Biden builds so much as one foot of wall, he will be known as a liar.

And...another post from Biden's Boys that just have to reference Trump :lol:

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:52 pm
by Mick Mannock
Oh, so only Americans can post about US politics now.

Fuck you, I will post about whatever I want

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:54 pm
by fatcat
You and he seem to buy into the old GOP chestnut of "the Dems just want to expand their voter base by allowing unfettered access from the southern border"
It's a funny one that. I listen and watch a lot of conservative podcasts and virtually every single one states this, but I just don't buy it. I have no idea why so many dems care so little about how many people come into the country. I find it bizarre but can't explain it.

As for me taking an interest - there's no rhyme or reason, I just find it fascinating. I'm more interested in the cultural side of politics though, and perhaps one reason I like to follow things in the US is because so many cultural issues find their way into the UK.

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:56 pm
by fatcat
puku wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:50 pm
fatcat wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:47 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:38 pm The spinning and excuses for Mr Biden is pretty much as expected.
It's impossible for him to do anything wrong. He will go down as the best president ever; the only president who got every single decision absolutely spot on.
More hyperbole :(
Are you kidding? Him and Psaki lie on an almost daily basis and they never get a mention from the usual crew. What's the worst criticism he has had from any lefty on this thread? Has he even had any criticism from any lefty?

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:57 pm
by fatcat
Why do Brits like you and Mick have such a hard on for US politics?
Hyperbole. :(

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:59 pm
by puku
fatcat wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:57 pm
Why do Brits like you and Mick have such a hard on for US politics?
Hyperbole. :(
Fair enough. I'm thinking it is hyperbole Monday.

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:02 pm
by puku
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:52 pm Oh, so only Americans can post about US politics now. Wot???

Fuck you, I will post about whatever I want
As if I said you couldn't.

Mick me auld mucker...Fatcat gave a reasoned and thoughtful response to my question, which I appreciated. You just go to rant mode.

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:05 pm
by Flockwitt
Gosh. Joe's doing a great job isn't he. :thumbup:

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:53 pm
by Mullet 2
Maybe if Mick and Fats keep posting here they'll reverse the result of the ass kicking Joe dealt out to the you've been tangoed lad

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:29 pm
by TheFrog

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:11 pm
by Fat Old Git
DAC_ wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:48 pm
EverReady wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:06 pm The absolute state of this thread. If ever there was an example of how so few can füxk something up for so many it is here
<*stamps feet* I hate it when I can't post in an echo chamber and mean people have different opinions from me, they are nazis or something *stamps feet*>
Different opinions, backed up by info that makes you reassess your position, and perhaps even change it as you've learnt something new, or test your opinion in a manner that provides greater confidence that it's correct, are great.

Blatant trolling, whataboutery, false equivalence and poorly thought out statements, claims or arguments that can mostly be easily debunked? Not so much. We can leave that for the flat earthers and anti-vaxers.

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:24 pm
by La soule
fatcat wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:47 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:38 pm The spinning and excuses for Mr Biden is pretty much as expected.
It's impossible for him to do anything wrong. He will go down as the best president ever; the only president who got every single decision absolutely spot on.
How special.

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:22 pm
by Mick Mannock

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:48 pm
by Flyin Ryan
Reapportionment to be announced by the Census Bureau either 4/27 or 4/28.

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:19 pm
by puku
Flyin Ryan wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:48 pm Reapportionment to be announced by the Census Bureau either 4/27 or 4/28.
Minnesota must be on the cusp of losing a seat along with Cali and Michigan.

Picks ups for Texas and Florida?

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:38 pm
by Flyin Ryan
puku wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:19 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:48 pm Reapportionment to be announced by the Census Bureau either 4/27 or 4/28.
Minnesota must be on the cusp of losing a seat along with Cali and Michigan.

Picks ups for Texas and Florida?
based on July 2020 estimates, although with Covid last year I imagine some things had to change a lot, albeit the census is supposed to be based on where you lived in April 2020
Arizona +1
California -1
Colorado +1
Florida +2
Illinois -1
Michigan -1
Minnesota -1
Montana +1
New York -2
North Carolina +1
Ohio -1
Oregon +1
Pennsylvania -1
Rhode Island -1
Texas +3
West Virginia -1
California supposedly based on population trends are come 2030 looking at losing multiple seats. The employers have been leaving the state for years, as is the middle class. Colorado in fact has rapidly turned into a safe naturally Democrat state from a lot of Californians moving there. If they lose Silicon Valley as is looking like is going to happen, that state is going to be a financial wreck. The end result may be a rich limousine liberal north paired with a heavily Latino SoCal.

The Census date coming when it did is going to shield a lot of the effects from Covid as far as internal migration. Comes a year earlier I think district borders as far as cities would be enlarged. Part of it is the population is growing, so just for your share of the population to remain the same, your population has to grow as well. But then throw in California, Illinois, and most northeastern states are net losing population the past decade with the big places gaining being the South, West, places that border Mexico ex-Cali, with New York and Illinois being particularly bad. Florida and Texas in contrast are exploding, aided by those are two heavy immigration areas (New York and Cali are too, it's just they can't offset everyone leaving). Now throw on top of it Corporate America in the past year has embraced work from home and you don't necessarily have to go into the office every day. You want to leave the city and go somewhere where for half the money you get twice the room, go ahead.

Simple map of the United States by projected population
growth between July 01, 2019 and July 01, 2020


Image

DARK GREEN: States which grew faster than the world average (+1.05%)
GREEN: States which grew faster than the national average (+0.35%)
ORANGE: States which grew slower than the national average (+0.35%)
RED: States which shrank in population

Also, if they make Puerto Rico and D.C. (rumor I read is maybe to be named Douglass after Frederick Douglass) states, while it would not affect the 2020 allocation as the House would then become 435 plus how many ever representatives they would be owed, come the 2030 census based on current rules, the House would go back to 435 members, so that'd be a further cut for the representation of everyone else in the country. D.C. is going to have 1 Rep and will have 1 Rep forever. Puerto Rico based on their current population would get 4 Representatives. So that's 5 Reps you'd have to remove from everywhere else in the country after 2030, unless they change the rules on the permanent size of the House, which would not surprise me if that occurred. Make Fivethirtyeight mad. (A 440-member House means the number of electoral votes would increase to 540 if after they make the majority of the current District of Columbia a state they repeal the 23rd Amendment.)

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:57 am
by TheFrog
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/1 ... gop-481338

Biden or whoever is in charge doing well it seems.

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:27 am
by Newsome
Mullet 2 wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:53 pm Maybe if Mick and Fats keep posting here they'll reverse the result of the ass kicking Joe dealt out to the you've been tangoed lad
Didn't Fats used to be a normal bloke?

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:49 am
by Fat Old Git
Trump has outed a fair few strange ones. On both sides to be fair, although mostly on the side populates by those "just asking questions" or think it's great he was winding up the libs.

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:31 am
by Masterji
:shock:
Mick Mannock wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:22 pm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md6AL-OSQ6U

Mr Bidens America x(
Did you get your money back from Trump as the loser nicked $64mn from other suckers.

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:12 am
by DAC_
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4R_p-qG0wQ
CNN staffer caught on tape admitting network tried 'to get Trump out of office'
Real journalism V activism.

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:20 am
by Mick Mannock
DAC_ wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:12 am https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4R_p-qG0wQ
CNN staffer caught on tape admitting network tried 'to get Trump out of office'
Real journalism V activism.
Saw this the other day, but resisted posting.

This sort of thing only triggers those that think Biden is their friend.

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:22 am
by Mick Mannock
Masterji wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:31 am :shock:
Mick Mannock wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:22 pm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md6AL-OSQ6U

Mr Bidens America x(
Did you get your money back from Trump as the loser nicked $64mn from other suckers.
This is the sort of silly post you are reduced to?

I cannot get back that which I did not donate.

You are a child.

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:23 am
by Flockwitt
Firm date for getting out of Afghanistan seems to have flown under the radar. Kinda important decision. Right or wrong history will show, but good to see firm leadership. No vacillating like Obama, or trying to pre-paint the decision months before it happened, or special enjoys being sent for photo ops and momento bulletproof vest with their name on it. Decision made.

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:26 am
by DAC_
Mick Mannock wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:20 am
DAC_ wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:12 am https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4R_p-qG0wQ
CNN staffer caught on tape admitting network tried 'to get Trump out of office'
Real journalism V activism.
Saw this the other day, but resisted posting.

This sort of thing only triggers those that think Biden is their friend.
I can appreciate why you didn't post it, however, it appears that people don't mind if they are lied too, which, quite frankly, is terrifying.

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:30 am
by Flockwitt
DAC_ wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:26 am
Mick Mannock wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:20 am
DAC_ wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:12 am https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4R_p-qG0wQ
CNN staffer caught on tape admitting network tried 'to get Trump out of office'
Real journalism V activism.
Saw this the other day, but resisted posting.

This sort of thing only triggers those that think Biden is their friend.
I can appreciate why you didn't post it, however, it appears that people don't mind if they are lied too, which, quite frankly, is terrifying.
Fake news.

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:09 am
by fatcat
Newsome wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:27 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:53 pm Maybe if Mick and Fats keep posting here they'll reverse the result of the ass kicking Joe dealt out to the you've been tangoed lad
Didn't Fats used to be a normal bloke?
Well that's not very polite. Have I posted something you disagree with?

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:25 am
by piquant
Flockwitt wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:30 am
DAC_ wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:26 am
Mick Mannock wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:20 am
DAC_ wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:12 am https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4R_p-qG0wQ
CNN staffer caught on tape admitting network tried 'to get Trump out of office'
Real journalism V activism.
Saw this the other day, but resisted posting.

This sort of thing only triggers those that think Biden is their friend.
I can appreciate why you didn't post it, however, it appears that people don't mind if they are lied too, which, quite frankly, is terrifying.
Fake news.
Media in shock media loves to talk about media story. Though there's little question whilst not as insidious as Fox News or OAN some of the supposed news coverage by the likes of CNN and MSNBC is way too editorial. They'd all be failing an ethics class

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:35 am
by Mick Mannock
fatcat wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:09 am
Newsome wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:27 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:53 pm Maybe if Mick and Fats keep posting here they'll reverse the result of the ass kicking Joe dealt out to the you've been tangoed lad
Didn't Fats used to be a normal bloke?
Well that's not very polite. Have I posted something you disagree with?
I thought by "fats" he meant Fat Old Git, to which the response would be "when?"

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:28 am
by La soule
Flockwitt wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:23 am Firm date for getting out of Afghanistan seems to have flown under the radar. Kinda important decision. Right or wrong history will show, but good to see firm leadership. No vacillating like Obama, or trying to pre-paint the decision months before it happened, or special enjoys being sent for photo ops and momento bulletproof vest with their name on it. Decision made.
Came with a clear and fair explanation too: that this war has lasted long enough and has involved 2 republican and a democrat presidents and that he would not pass on the mess to a fifth president.

Great decision making.

Re: U.S. politics thread and Joe Biden-the Ronan O'Gara of U.S. Presidents

Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:53 am
by Mick Mannock