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Whatever wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:13 pm
DOB wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:00 pm
Whatever wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:59 pm However I know my forbears are mainly Scottish, with some Irish and a little bit of English (don't like to admit that) thrown in, and we know whereabouts in the 'old country' most of them came from. But at least no German 8)
I met up with some relatives when I was in QLD, and one of them had married a Nagle. The Nagles had been very proud of their Irish heritage, until someone traced the ancestry; the Nagel family had arrived in from the Fatherland in the early 1900s. Granny Nagle was very, very upset about this and never accepted that they might be German.
There are some people who don't want to be German, and then there are people Germany didn't want:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... yal-decree
"A historian has discovered a royal decree issued to Donald Trump’s grandfather ordering him to leave Germany and never come back.
Friedrich Trump, a German, was issued with the document in February 1905, and ordered to leave the kingdom of Bavaria within eight weeks as punishment for having failed to do mandatory military service and failing to give authorities notice of his departure to the US when he first emigrated in 1885."

Avoiding military service just like his grandson. Don's home village in Germany is not so very proud of him.
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The Donald throwing a cliffhanger out
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Santa wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:31 pm This will definitely be the strongest US government ever. All the research says that. :thumbup:
It will appear that way, only because they are going to follow the worst Government ever.
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Winnie wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:34 am https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/st ... 99338?s=21
The Donald throwing a cliffhanger out
Poor old Derwyn will be so excited.
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Biggest challenge for Biden now is the choice of the AG.

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Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:57 pm
TheFrog wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 3:19 amBiden might bring some confidence in the USA back, but Asia just like Europe have learned a lesson from Trump, and many countries think they need to learn to live without the US support.
The Cold War has been over for 29 years. I'm still waiting for European governments to become responsible adults not depending on the U.S. to do their work for them. Yugoslavia happened and that was an embarrassment for western and central European powers that this massive genocide happened on their doorstep and they did nothing about it, in fact the Germans were clothing and arming the Croatians...which then went and did an offensive against a Canadian-led UN force in Krajina. We've learned our lessons, blah blah blah.

They take charge of ISAF in Afghanistan under the guise of NATO wanting to make it a show of EU military organizational strength, meaning all non-EU NATO members were left out insulting the Canadians, but in the end of it had to run away from the responsibility because they were over their heads and had to beg TURKEY to take control.

Georgia occurs. Merkel blames Saakashvili as the country lost control of a third of its territory.

Libya occurs and what happens? Worthless piece of shit Nicolas Sarkozy appealed to Obama to take care of this for them and Obama was dumb enough to listen when we had no dog in the fight. Libya and the outflow of refugees from that country across the Mediterranean into Europe was purely a European security responsibility. I'd help the Brits because the Brits were there for us when we needed them. The French weren't in the early 2000s. Which, hey, if that's how they felt, great. But we shouldn't be an ally to do their dirty work for them when they didn't want to be an ally with us.

Von Rompuy like an idiot makes this bombastic speech about Ukraine having a European future daring Putin to do something. Putin does something...bloodlessly annexing Crimea, and what does Von Rompuy do then?

We had a near abroad conflict that happened just in the past 2 months. Did the EU do anything with the Armenia/Azerbaijan conflict where Azerbaijan summarily defeated the Armenians and took back about half of the territory from the self-declared Armenian-supported Republic of Artsakh, or did they let Russia and Turkey handle everything?

I was meant to respond to this and let it to late.

I agree on your assessment that Europe hasn't grown up and that the Union lacks a clear geopolitical line and to go with it, an united defense policy. Is it only the fault of European government? I am not sure. Of course, they bear much of the responsibility but, they are democracies, and their people have a voice in this. As you know, until the end of the second world war, Europe has been the stage of competing powers who spent their time fighting each others, seeking ways to put others' ambitions in check etc... Suddenly, thanks to the vision of a few brave politicians, an effort is launched to do with this past and try to build a common destiny. Conscious that the people were may be not quite ready for it, they made the best that commerce and economy would be the way to build a union. That proved a failure epitomized by the Brexit.

Now, I understand that this may not be relevant to you as a US citizen, who believes what matters first are US interests. Indeed, the Cold War is over and has been since a long time ago. Where I think the US would have an interest in supporting Europe is first and foremost stability. A strong and stable EU is a guaranty of flourishing economy, of which the US greatly benefit. Additionally, both world share the same democratic aspirations and it is in the interest of the US Democracy that a Democratic Europe prevails. Russia is not the threat it once was, but it remains a strong competitor for the US even if the real very short term threat is China. Addiitonally, the terrorist threat from the Middle East remains as long as the US will continue to meddle in Middle East affairs. Europe here acts as a key buffer.

Now, I agree that Europe needs to do more for itself and especially in defense terms. For this, though Trump understood feck all about NATO commitments, I give him right on his calls for Europe to spend more for it's own defense. I hope that wake up call will help. But Trump's support for politicians wanted to divide the Union is a mistake in my opinion. Weakening Europe will not benefit the Americans.

On your anger vis a vis France's position in the 2000s, I'd like to remind you that where the US had a legitimate claim, France supported the US and committed troops on the ground like in Afghanistan. Where France opposed the US, history proved them right. So if you think that it was in the UK honor to blindly follow the US in a war that, 20 years later, is still not over and causing the blood shedding of thousands of people each year, then I don't follow you on that ground. Sometimes your friends are those who tell you the truth.

I agree with you about Libya though. Sarkozy had personal interest in that war, both to settle a score with Khadafi and to win back the French public after his support to the Tunisian dictator. Why on earth Obama followed him there, I don't know. But, on the other hand, the refugee crisis, the spread of political radical Islam is the direct result of the US war on Iraq and its poor handling of its aftermath. So the US would struggle to hold any moral ground to claim that this issue is just a European issue.

That is my view. I appreciate I may not be sufficiently informed and don't have the full picture, but I felt your post was a bit too one sided and not necessarily fully reflective of the situation.
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I should add that I believe that countries who depend on the US for their own security are more likely to bend to US demands than others. This is where too powerful a EU could be an issue for the US. But this is also where the new brand of American isolationists may make a mistake.

I was doing business in Asia at the time when Obama was pushing his Asian policy and I tell you, it hurts our interests big time.

I was in Korea when, after the North fired a few rockets in the sea, Obama made a show of forces and solidarity. I remember my hotel suddenly filled with Us military, and the same day my customer telling me "you see this? This is why, you, Europeans, will never win the lion share of the business in this country. In times of need, we know who we can rely on."

Something Trump, surprisingly for a man who prides himself as being a world class deal maker, failed to grasp.
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On the Second Iraq War, I would like to highlight that my strong belief is that the priority of this war, as planned by the neo Cons was to bring the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia back in line. Beyond the Iraqi oil, the massive contracts forbl American firms, what the people in power in the US wanted, at the time, was to create a situation next to the KSA that would make them even more reliant on US support.

In giving the power to the majority Shia community in Iraq under the pretence of restoring democracy in the country, the US created a new ally for Iran and a powerful threat right next door to the KSA. With this, they knew the KsA would have to turn to the US for their survival, securing control of KSA oil pricing policy, driving the KSA to stop supporting terrorism threatening US interests and securing juicy weapons deals.

Now, we have to deal with an emboldened Iran, more terrorist threats as this had become the KSA weapon in its proxy war against Iran and thousand of civilians die each year.
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:frown:
Makes sense. These people usually get close to the family they protect, living day in day out with them.
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Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:09 pm Massive cyberattack on civilian U.S. government agencies made public a few days ago. Probably had access to emails of some public officials going back to June.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/1 ... ies-445376
Well it can’t be Russia. After all, a large group of senior GOP politicians went there in July, but no one is still sure why....

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ovalball wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:56 am
Winnie wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:34 am https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/st ... 99338?s=21
The Donald throwing a cliffhanger out
Poor old Derwyn will be so excited.
In all my years on PR I have seen every which kind of freds, the delusional, the hilarious, the rants and meltdowns, the fakes and pretentious, the genuine needs, the educational and the fun.

Yet somehow reality tops them all, that twitter thread is something else.
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Flockwitt wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 8:54 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:56 am
Winnie wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:34 am https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/st ... 99338?s=21
The Donald throwing a cliffhanger out
Poor old Derwyn will be so excited.
In all my years on PR I have seen every which kind of freds, the delusional, the hilarious, the rants and meltdowns, the fakes and pretentious, the genuine needs, the educational and the fun.

Yet somehow reality tops them all, that twitter thread is something else.
er, why is "Jake" trending in the UK - it's one of the links to the side of the main thread :lol: :lol:
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https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/0 ... dia-456325
Congress will "come back with a vengeance" at social media companies for helping foment the riots, top Senate Intelligence Committee Democrat Mark Warner said.
Liberal policymakers for years have urged Silicon Valley to stamp out election disinformation and incitements to violence on their platforms. But they said Wednesday’s invasion proves the industry has done far too little.

“This is going to come back and bite ‘em because Congress, in a bipartisan way, is going to come back with a vengeance,” Sen. Mark Warner of Virginia, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, told POLITICO.

The result is that Democrats, whose ire at the tech industry had already dramatically risen since the 2016 elections, are talking about bringing new levels of scrutiny and consequences to the companies, including stepping up efforts to narrow or overhaul liability protections for sites that host violent or dangerous messages.

Democrats also expressed optimism about getting cooperation from Republicans, despite the Trump-era GOP's frequent focus on allegations that social media platforms practice too much censorship. And some activists said reining in online extremism needs to be a Day One priority for President-elect Joe Biden.

A slew of prominent Democrats rebuked social media companies — ranging from tech giants like Facebook and YouTube to smaller, more free-wheeling platforms like Gab and Parler — for not taking more forceful action against those who organized and executed Wednesday's pro-Trump rally. What began as a protest, featuring an in-person address by the president, escalated into a full-blown storming of the Capitol building that left four people dead.
Section 230 is mentioned.
“Yesterday’s events will renew and focus the need for Congress to reform Big Tech’s privileges and obligations,” said Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.). “This begins with reforming Section 230, preventing infringements on fundamental rights, stopping the destructive use of Americans’ private data, and other clear harms.”

Malinowski, who has introduced legislation with Rep. Anna Eshoo (D-Calif.) to revoke those protections in instances where platforms amplify or boost certain harmful content, said the riot at the Capitol “hastens the need” for such changes to Section 230.

Warner said he’s working on his own new proposal to revamp Section 230, a target he’s identified as a top priority for this Congress, and that he expects to have “a number of colleagues” supporting the bill. That could make his measure one of the biggest threats to the legal shield on Capitol Hill — and a more plausible one than Trump's unsuccessful demands that Congress repeal the statute entirely to punish alleged anti-conservative bias.
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Seems fair enough - ensuring they get equal access to resources - as it should be.
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Judging by my Twitter the next 4 years are going to see a lot of tension and infighting between centrists like Biden and Harris and progressives like The Squad. Lot of talk about the GOP and a possible schism but the Dems may have issues in that regard too. Hopefully Biden can negotiate it.
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flaggETERNAL wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:16 am Judging by my Twitter the next 4 years are going to see a lot of tension and infighting between centrists like Biden and Harris and progressives like The Squad. Lot of talk about the GOP and a possible schism but the Dems may have issues in that regard too. Hopefully Biden can negotiate it.
The Democrats will deal some with what Republicans dealt with in 2018 and during Boehner-era Republican House majorities of they control Congress but their majority is so small that they're going to have problems keeping their caucus together unless they peel off some moderate Republicans. House moreso than the Senate because the House is significantly more partisan. So Pelosi's goal or mindset will be to only focus on legislation that it's easy for everyone on her side to get behind/frame as us vs. them with the Republican minority. The social media reforms mentioned by me a few posts ago - those will have to start in the Senate, there's no way that could for the 1st step make it through the House, because that's not an issue you can easily define as left vs. right. Trump was wanting to go after social media as well, just for a completely different reason than Democrats, so there's going to be some Republican buy-in there.
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There is no appetite for a Democrat schism. The hard left socialists must be aware of that though tbf their constituents might demand it
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ovalball wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:39 am
Seems fair enough - ensuring they get equal access to resources - as it should be.
Surely it's just political posturing though, playing the race card which is just second nature for these guys. Not to mention fuelling the victim mentality which so many of their supporters luxuriate in. I'm not sure what policies are in place which would see relief given unfairly to whites without the intervention of Unity Joe.
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EverReady wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:12 pm There is no appetite for a Democrat schism. The hard left socialists must be aware of that though tbf their constituents might demand it
On the other hand, there are large leadership fights taking place behind the scenes. Pelosi has ran House Democrats since January 2003, and this is her last term in charge. The last time there was an open race for House Democratic leadership which in Congress terms means an immense amount of control over choosing what legislation gets pushed forward was late 2002, George W. Bush was in his first term as president. Also, Biden should be expected to only serve a single term. He stated before he became a frontrunner that he would only serve a single term. Things have changed since then, but my bet is he states late 2022/early 2023 that yes, he'll only serve one term. Kamala Harris will probably have a leg up but she's not going to clear the field like an incumbent would or even what Hillary was able to do in 2016. These kinds of leadership opportunities do not come up often. Biden is going to become president in 9 days in large part due to a decision made by Barack Obama in the summer of 2008 of who his choice for VP nominee would be. That is a decision affecting who becomes president in 2021 from 12 and a half years ago.
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fatcat wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:00 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:39 am
Seems fair enough - ensuring they get equal access to resources - as it should be.
Surely it's just political posturing though, playing the race card which is just second nature for these guys. Not to mention fuelling the victim mentality which so many of their supporters luxuriate in. I'm not sure what policies are in place which would see relief given unfairly to whites without the intervention of Unity Joe.
Seems to me that it's the Trumpists that most wallow in their victim mentality - despite the fact that minority groups have, by far, been victimised the most.

Either way - I don't see anything wrong with him saying that minorities should get equal access to resources.
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ovalball wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:28 pm
fatcat wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:00 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:39 am
Seems fair enough - ensuring they get equal access to resources - as it should be.
Surely it's just political posturing though, playing the race card which is just second nature for these guys. Not to mention fuelling the victim mentality which so many of their supporters luxuriate in. I'm not sure what policies are in place which would see relief given unfairly to whites without the intervention of Unity Joe.
Seems to me that it's the Trumpists that most wallow in their victim mentality - despite the fact that minority groups have, by far, been victimised the most.

Either way - I don't see anything wrong with him saying that minorities should get equal access to resources.
No, although that would be stating the bleedin' obvious. But he didn't say that - he said they would be prioritising black/latino/women etc owned business. As I said - political posturing, I suppose unless he really did mean that he would utilise a racial hierarchy to implement his policy.
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fatcat wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:35 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:28 pm
fatcat wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:00 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:39 am
Seems fair enough - ensuring they get equal access to resources - as it should be.
Surely it's just political posturing though, playing the race card which is just second nature for these guys. Not to mention fuelling the victim mentality which so many of their supporters luxuriate in. I'm not sure what policies are in place which would see relief given unfairly to whites without the intervention of Unity Joe.
Seems to me that it's the Trumpists that most wallow in their victim mentality - despite the fact that minority groups have, by far, been victimised the most.

Either way - I don't see anything wrong with him saying that minorities should get equal access to resources.
No, although that would be stating the bleedin' obvious. But he didn't say that - he said they would be prioritising black/latino/women etc owned business. As I said - political posturing, I suppose unless he really did mean that he would utilise a racial hierarchy to implement his policy.
and finally having equal access to resources needed to reopen and rebuild.
A policy to ensure equal access to resources still seems reasonable to me.
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It's not just reasonable, it's ineluctable (to use one of Brian Moore's favourite words). However, there are no existing policies which discriminate against the minorities he mentioned yet he specifically says that minorities will be prioritised. Maybe you agree that they should be prioritised although you've not been addressing this part of his speech. Even though he gives the impression that only certain races and genders will be prioritised I'm not sure this could actually be achieved through policy, so as I said - political posturing.
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EverReady wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:12 pm There is no appetite for a Democrat schism. The hard left socialists must be aware of that though tbf their constituents might demand it
Their constituents, supporters are demanding for it already.
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fatcat wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:41 pm It's not just reasonable, it's ineluctable (to use one of Brian Moore's favourite words). However, there are no existing policies which discriminate against the minorities he mentioned yet he specifically says that minorities will be prioritised. Maybe you agree that they should be prioritised although you've not been addressing this part of his speech. Even though he gives the impression that only certain races and genders will be prioritised I'm not sure this could actually be achieved through policy, so as I said - political posturing.
I don't pretend to know what obstacles minorities face in getting such access - but, given the US record, I'm content to respect the new President's wish to make sure any such obstacles are removed. Your accusation of 'posturing' simply sounds like an assumption based on your own political bias.
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Well maybe I'm wrong and he really is looking to favour some races and genders over others. Even though I'm biased I still have to pay attention to the words he used.
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fatcat wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:54 pm Well maybe I'm wrong and he really is looking to favour some races and genders over others. Even though I'm biased I still have to pay attention to the words he used.
Ensuring they have EQUAL access, is not really favouring them - more redressing existing issues.
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Prioritising them is favouring them. That's what prioritising means, as if I should have to spell it out!
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ovalball wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:57 pm
fatcat wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:54 pm Well maybe I'm wrong and he really is looking to favour some races and genders over others. Even though I'm biased I still have to pay attention to the words he used.
Ensuring they have EQUAL access, is not really favouring them - more redressing existing issues.
There has perhaps been “equal” access for decades, the discussion is now about “equitable” access. The VP Elect released a video explaining the difference.
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Mr Mike wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:05 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:57 pm
fatcat wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:54 pm Well maybe I'm wrong and he really is looking to favour some races and genders over others. Even though I'm biased I still have to pay attention to the words he used.
Ensuring they have EQUAL access, is not really favouring them - more redressing existing issues.
There has perhaps been “equal” access for decades, the discussion is now about “equitable” access. The VP Elect released a video explaining the difference.
I'd rather not listen to the nasal whine while also risking being cackled at. Is there a sentence you could use to sum up her difference between equal and equitable?
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fatcat wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:08 pm
Mr Mike wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:05 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:57 pm
fatcat wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:54 pm Well maybe I'm wrong and he really is looking to favour some races and genders over others. Even though I'm biased I still have to pay attention to the words he used.
Ensuring they have EQUAL access, is not really favouring them - more redressing existing issues.
There has perhaps been “equal” access for decades, the discussion is now about “equitable” access. The VP Elect released a video explaining the difference.
I'd rather not listen to the nasal whine while also risking being cackled at. Is there a sentence you could use to sum up her difference between equal and equitable?
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Ah the old f*ck equal opportunity, it's equal outcome we should all be tugging over.

I'm desperate for her to take over from Unity Joe asap!
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Joe was out curing lepers today.
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flaggETERNAL wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:44 pm
EverReady wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:12 pm There is no appetite for a Democrat schism. The hard left socialists must be aware of that though tbf their constituents might demand it
Their constituents, supporters are demanding for it already.
Well crack on then. That's the way it works but the hard left component aren't that large unlike the opposite on the Republican side. They have massive numbers that veer hard right
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(Illinois = Chicago plus land. Being this is Illinois, of course he's under a federal corruption probe.)

One of the last "white ethnic" (in this case Irish) machine powerbrokers in the country gone.
It’s rare that we make a front page post about a State Legislature event but this one more than deserves it. After 36 years, Illinois State House Speaker Mike Madigan (D) ended his campaign for a new term as Speaker today after enough Democrats resolved to vote against him to deny him a majority. Madigan had been on thin ice for some time due to swirls of corruption allegations and allegations of covering up sexual harassment.

It’s hard to overstate just how big a deal this is for Illinois State government. Madigan has basically been the dictator of the state for the last forty years, with most Democratic governors (and even some Republican governors) basically subservient to his steamroller- to say nothing about the state’s lower profile Dems. He is arguably the nation’s most skilled and ruthless legislative operator, with a trail of bodies miles long. Madigan is also a committed labor ally and probably the person most responsible for Illinois’s drunken-sailor spending and budget woes. The corruption allegations, coupled with the defeat of a tax-hike initiative and a Madigan backed state Supreme Court justice last year, appear to have weakened his position enough to push him out. Dems will now likely have a free for all in the Speaker election.
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Georgia representative Marjorie Taylor Greene says that she will be filing articles of impeachment against Joe Biden on his first day in office.

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Georgia representative Marjorie Taylor Greene says that she will be filing articles of impeachment against Joe Biden on his first day in office.

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fatcat wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:00 pm
ovalball wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:39 am
Seems fair enough - ensuring they get equal access to resources - as it should be.
Surely it's just political posturing though, playing the race card which is just second nature for these guys. Not to mention fuelling the victim mentality which so many of their supporters luxuriate in. I'm not sure what policies are in place which would see relief given unfairly to whites without the intervention of Unity Joe.
From my brief reading of Biden's election commitments, it's part of a wider Biden-Harris election response to the BLM protests and George Floyd riots in the summer. The wider response includes police training reforms; emphasis on rehabilitation over jailing in justice reforms etc, but includes social equity stuff. I think Harris had a major part to play in these policies.
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