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towny wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:57 pm

piquant wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:46 pm

towny wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 9:06 am

piquant wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:53 am Is that analysis by Trump? Clearly Iran is further along in have nuclear capability than it was, and clearly the last time they hammered together a deal it was a real problem, and for all sides involved, and now they're trying to put that deal back together in the knowledge there's a lack of trust any deal can hold with a glaring example Iran can hold up to show why they cannot trust the US

They’re further along than they were before the deal collapsed but are they close? Are they closer than they were 15 years ago? This isn’t binary - if there is no deal locked in by the end of the year they won’t have a nuke ready to go. If they get too close there are other options to stop development and all parties know it.

Does Iran even want nukes? After all, you can’t use them unless you’re suicidal. Or do they just want to be able to threaten and blackmail? Outside of domestic politics, why is this a genuine priority for the US? Oil security hasn’t got the same pain points it did 10 years ago.

But to be clear, there is no deal that Biden can make that the next President can’t overturn. If Iran wants this they can’t have it. If they don’t like it there’s not much they can do - maybe cozy up with China? Russia might pretend to be a friend but I’d guess they’d want to keep the sanctions locked on and keep that Iranian gas out of Europe.

What Iran should do is have a think about what they do want and stop pretending that this is urgent to anyone else.

Iran doesn't need to pretend this is urgent, it's both urgent and important. And I agree you can't tie the hands of a future executive, merely this is what Iran is asking for, and they'll thus need something that looks suitably complex and/or problematic to unravel, or the US will have to trade something else. Or maybe they can try the Trump line of thinking, that they obviously hold the cards and a deal will be easy, which would beg the question of why this keeps not happening if it's so one sided and easy

Why do you think the US is not in the strong position? Other than internal politics, what is it they have to lose here? What cards do you think Iran has got?

I don't remember saying Iran was in a strong position. Merely they have a demand which will be difficult to meet.

I don't think having no deal is a good position, and it's going to be hard to make progress, and nobody does want another North Korea

So you agree that Iran needs the deal far more than the US and has very little to bargain with? Cool.

There is no way that Iran gets what they want. That might be hard for them to accept but it’s the way it is. They either do what they’re told or they can’t trade with the world. There are no guarantees that the other team will keep to the deal either, so they need to accept that too.

If they can’t accept the deal, then they can’t have money and they’ll never get nukes so they’re making the sacrifice for nothing. And let’s say I’m wrong and they did get a nuke and they used it, their leaders would all die along with their families and there’d be nothing left to fight over.

Maybe Trump dismissed them because he could see how pitiful their leverage was and couldn’t resist being the bullying cnut he is. It was a shit thing to do.

I don't remember saying Iran was in a weak position and would be forced to deal.

I'm suggesting getting a deal has always been problematic, it's not like the deal thrashed out by Kerry the EU and Iran was exactly popular to begin with, and it took a lot of effort on all sides, and all sides took a bit of a kicking for it. To now try and recreate that when Trump has shown how easy it is to rent asunder is more problematic still, and technically challenging too because of the difficulties of tying the future's hands to a deal we make today because as is quite reasonably accepted you can't nor should you be able to do that.

So, either the US has to try and make the process difficult to unravel, something that would require a meaningful vote rather than executive decree, but even then that's tricky, or they have to consider something else that assuages Iran. And simply telling Iran they're in a weak position and must deal isn't a strategy that's worked so for, Iran has been in a weak position since the revolution, perhaps even before given a revolution was possible

Nice!

Biden administration proposes sweeping protections for Alaska’s Tongass National Forest

Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack will end large old-growth sales and bar road construction on 9.3 million acres of forest in a move that would reverse one of Donald Trump’s biggest public land decisions

Unqualified great news. Well done Biden.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate- ... -roadless/

https://notthebee.com/article/joe-biden ... 25-seconds

This appeared on my twitter timeline. What the hell’s he trying to say?

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status ... 38792?s=19

yup. do it, joe..

But Trump [/thread]

No relaxation of the border crossing limitations related to COVID because of the Delta variant threat. No reciprocity with the EU. Must say I am disappointed but I hope that data will prove that the vaccines do their jobs and that we can move on with our lives. They did in the UK with the last wave of COVID infections.

Interesting, AOC is getting a lot of bite back, having mouthed off a lot over the years she has baulked and not attempted to push through for fight for stuff like minimum wage, universal healthcare etc she slagged off democrats for. In fact she's complied with the right of the Dems quite a lot and now gets 6 figure appearance figures which she does a lot of, but doesn't attend Medicare for all rallies now. Even Susan Sarandon is piling on.

Jimmy Dore (whose about as left wing as you get in the US) rips her apart:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_AnoCUHd7E

Social Media rhetoric and a media persona is not what the person will actually do. Who knew?

Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:50 pm

piquant wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:48 pm

Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 10:10 am

piquant wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:17 pm

Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 6:10 pm

What do you propose?

Suspension of elections?

Cancellation of democracy?

I do not propose the return of the Trump presidency, which is what I'm assuming you're alluding to with the ideas of suspending elections and cancelling democracy

No, you mentioned "someone else" too.

Someone else trying to suspend democracy in the USA? If not Trump that would be another of the MAGA loons, so Trump light if not the actual fat bastard himself

You are unhinged.

And you are the one not overly keen on democracy and elections' outcome.

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:49 pm Interesting, AOC is getting a lot of bite back, having mouthed off a lot over the years she has baulked and not attempted to push through for fight for stuff like minimum wage, universal healthcare etc she slagged off democrats for. In fact she's complied with the right of the Dems quite a lot and now gets 6 figure appearance figures which she does a lot of, but doesn't attend Medicare for all rallies now. Even Susan Sarandon is piling on.

Jimmy Dore (whose about as left wing as you get in the US) rips her apart:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_AnoCUHd7E

Social Media rhetoric and a media persona is not what the person will actually do. Who knew?

Cry babies not understanding political process get to carp from sidelines surprise.

Though they're quite right to pile the pressure on

La soule wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:56 pm

Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:50 pm

piquant wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:48 pm

Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 10:10 am

piquant wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:17 pm

I do not propose the return of the Trump presidency, which is what I'm assuming you're alluding to with the ideas of suspending elections and cancelling democracy

No, you mentioned "someone else" too.

Someone else trying to suspend democracy in the USA? If not Trump that would be another of the MAGA loons, so Trump light if not the actual fat bastard himself

You are unhinged.

And you are the one not overly keen on democracy and elections' outcome.

The opening and doesn't reflect well on me

piquant wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:03 am

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:49 pm Interesting, AOC is getting a lot of bite back, having mouthed off a lot over the years she has baulked and not attempted to push through for fight for stuff like minimum wage, universal healthcare etc she slagged off democrats for. In fact she's complied with the right of the Dems quite a lot and now gets 6 figure appearance figures which she does a lot of, but doesn't attend Medicare for all rallies now. Even Susan Sarandon is piling on.

Jimmy Dore (whose about as left wing as you get in the US) rips her apart:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_AnoCUHd7E

Social Media rhetoric and a media persona is not what the person will actually do. Who knew?

Cry babies not understanding political process get to carp from sidelines surprise.

Though they're quite right to pile the pressure on

Lots of the left are criticising her though. There isn't even a "I tried but failed" angle to this. Also Jimmy Dore is hugely knowledgeable about how Washington politics go.

On another note why is the rent mandtorium being allowed to pass with no extension or intervention? They knew it was happening for a month and now Biden and Pelosi are blaming each other while a potential 15 million people will be evicted.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/3 ... den-501917

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... lief-funds

On that note, why is the US Coronavirus relief so weak compared to poorer european countries?

Biden calling on Andrew Cuomo to resign.

Good.

puku wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:03 pm Biden calling on Andrew Cuomo to resign.

Good.

I was gonna bring that up. It's actually poor the media somewhat attempted to whitewash it or not make a bigger deal out of it. No coincidence though that his own brother is a major news host and has softballed him on numerous occasions. It's both disgraceful behaviour and done with a big abuse of his position.

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eldanielfire wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:07 pm
I was gonna bring that up. It's actually poor the media somewhat attempted to whitewash it or not make a bigger deal out of it. No coincidence though that his own brother is a major news host and has softballed him on numerous occasions. It's both disgraceful behaviour and done with a big abuse of his position.

Not sure about CNN's coverage, but it was covered extensively on the PBS news hour including a talk to camera piece from an alleged victim in addition to making the morning News on CBS, NBC.

It was the main news on CNN today. Chris Cuomo didn't touch it, but all the other hosts went in. Really demonstrated the difference between the two parties. The Republicans have Matt Gaetz under investigation for trafficking of minors, and there has barely been utterance from the GOP.

puku wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:46 pm

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:07 pm
I was gonna bring that up. It's actually poor the media somewhat attempted to whitewash it or not make a bigger deal out of it. No coincidence though that his own brother is a major news host and has softballed him on numerous occasions. It's both disgraceful behaviour and done with a big abuse of his position.

Not sure about CNN's coverage, but it was covered extensively on the PBS news hour including a talk to camera piece from an alleged victim in addition to making the morning News on CBS, NBC.

I know it's been covered much more very recently and the inevitable bomb it is, but when these allegations surfaced back in February and it was have lighted referenced by the MSM, it certainly was brushed away somewhat. Much like the nursing home scandal. It's stuff like which is why trust in the media is at an all time low.

El Homerino wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:53 pm It was the main news on CNN today. Chris Cuomo didn't touch it, but all the other hosts went in. Really demonstrated the difference between the two parties. The Republicans have Matt Gaetz under investigation for trafficking of minors, and there has barely been utterance from the GOP.

I think I missed the Matt Gaetz stuff. That's a disgrace. It should be much bigger news when actual politicians are literally trafficking minors. It's literally about as important a job the media has.

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:28 pm

piquant wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:03 am

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:49 pm Interesting, AOC is getting a lot of bite back, having mouthed off a lot over the years she has baulked and not attempted to push through for fight for stuff like minimum wage, universal healthcare etc she slagged off democrats for. In fact she's complied with the right of the Dems quite a lot and now gets 6 figure appearance figures which she does a lot of, but doesn't attend Medicare for all rallies now. Even Susan Sarandon is piling on.

Jimmy Dore (whose about as left wing as you get in the US) rips her apart:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_AnoCUHd7E

Social Media rhetoric and a media persona is not what the person will actually do. Who knew?

Cry babies not understanding political process get to carp from sidelines surprise.

Though they're quite right to pile the pressure on

Lots of the left are criticising her though. There isn't even a "I tried but failed" angle to this. Also Jimmy Dore is hugely knowledgeable about how Washington politics go.

If the left of the party are weighing in she's probably getting something right.

You cannot just go after things like minimum wage as one senator or one member from congress. They did try to make a push for it but Bernie and Biden couldn't get support for it, if AOC and others are applying pressure behind the scenes to make a further push and will get onboard when Bernie and Biden bring issue backup that sounds like how politics actually works.

Let the whiners whine

piquant wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:19 pm

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:28 pm

piquant wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:03 am

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:49 pm Interesting, AOC is getting a lot of bite back, having mouthed off a lot over the years she has baulked and not attempted to push through for fight for stuff like minimum wage, universal healthcare etc she slagged off democrats for. In fact she's complied with the right of the Dems quite a lot and now gets 6 figure appearance figures which she does a lot of, but doesn't attend Medicare for all rallies now. Even Susan Sarandon is piling on.

Jimmy Dore (whose about as left wing as you get in the US) rips her apart:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_AnoCUHd7E

Social Media rhetoric and a media persona is not what the person will actually do. Who knew?

Cry babies not understanding political process get to carp from sidelines surprise.

Though they're quite right to pile the pressure on

Lots of the left are criticising her though. There isn't even a "I tried but failed" angle to this. Also Jimmy Dore is hugely knowledgeable about how Washington politics go.

If the left of the party are weighing in she's probably getting something right.

You cannot just go after things like minimum wage as one senator or one member from congress. They did try to make a push for it but Bernie and Biden couldn't get support for it, if AOC and others are applying pressure behind the scenes to make a further push and will get onboard when Bernie and Biden bring issue backup that sounds like how politics actually works.

Let the whiners whine

I'm in full support on the left when it concerns their pushes for healthcare and the minimum wage. I mean these are fair demands. The Dems bend over backwards for their corporate backers often enough.

This tactic makes little sense. You don't apply pressure behind the scenes by removing pressure form in front of everybody if you are from a different wing. The issue is they aren't trying and failing, they appear to be dropping things before they even try. And that is before Biden could use executive orders to fulfil some things they promised. Trump certainly did.

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:39 pm

piquant wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:19 pm

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:28 pm

piquant wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:03 am

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:49 pm Interesting, AOC is getting a lot of bite back, having mouthed off a lot over the years she has baulked and not attempted to push through for fight for stuff like minimum wage, universal healthcare etc she slagged off democrats for. In fact she's complied with the right of the Dems quite a lot and now gets 6 figure appearance figures which she does a lot of, but doesn't attend Medicare for all rallies now. Even Susan Sarandon is piling on.

Jimmy Dore (whose about as left wing as you get in the US) rips her apart:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_AnoCUHd7E

Social Media rhetoric and a media persona is not what the person will actually do. Who knew?

Cry babies not understanding political process get to carp from sidelines surprise.

Though they're quite right to pile the pressure on

Lots of the left are criticising her though. There isn't even a "I tried but failed" angle to this. Also Jimmy Dore is hugely knowledgeable about how Washington politics go.

If the left of the party are weighing in she's probably getting something right.

You cannot just go after things like minimum wage as one senator or one member from congress. They did try to make a push for it but Bernie and Biden couldn't get support for it, if AOC and others are applying pressure behind the scenes to make a further push and will get onboard when Bernie and Biden bring issue backup that sounds like how politics actually works.

Let the whiners whine

I'm in full support on the left when it concerns their pushes for healthcare and the minimum wage. I mean these are fair demands. The Dems bend over backwards for their corporate backers often enough.

This tactic makes little sense. You don't apply pressure behind the scenes by removing pressure form in front of everybody if you are from a different wing. The issue is they aren't trying and failing, they appear to be dropping things before they even try. And that is before Biden could use executive orders to fulfil some things they promised. Trump certainly did.

So basically you're after them pushing just so they can be seen to be doing something even if it isn't effectual? Though I suppose if it makes you happy there are already some executive orders on min. wage from Joe

They did try as part of Bernie's remit to get a real minimum wage vote passed, and they simply didn't have the votes to support it so they've dropped it for now with a plan to revisit. They cannot magically turn some GOP colleagues into Dems, nor in all ways cajole all Dems to support all policies. And they do have to deal with the reality of what the voters put in place, if not it'd be a dictatorship

This isn't the sort of issue you bring up in Congress every week until it gets passed, it's going to take a lot of planning and some substantial legislation (and people will try to ram home lots of agendas). Unless one takes the view this is an issue the likes of Bernie Sanders and AOC have forgotten about, and at that point you possibly should be wearing a fetch white straight jacket, you can be very sure it's coming back. Of itself, in the midterms, and for sure if the midterms go their way and they can actually enact legislation more easily (though the voters may say otherwise)

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:28 pm

piquant wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:03 am

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:49 pm Interesting, AOC is getting a lot of bite back, having mouthed off a lot over the years she has baulked and not attempted to push through for fight for stuff like minimum wage, universal healthcare etc she slagged off democrats for. In fact she's complied with the right of the Dems quite a lot and now gets 6 figure appearance figures which she does a lot of, but doesn't attend Medicare for all rallies now. Even Susan Sarandon is piling on.

Jimmy Dore (whose about as left wing as you get in the US) rips her apart:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_AnoCUHd7E

Social Media rhetoric and a media persona is not what the person will actually do. Who knew?

Cry babies not understanding political process get to carp from sidelines surprise.

Though they're quite right to pile the pressure on

Lots of the left are criticising her though. There isn't even a "I tried but failed" angle to this. Also Jimmy Dore is hugely knowledgeable about how Washington politics go.

Is he? Always struck me as a wingnut. The reality for the predominantly Brooklyn membership of the DSA is they got hammered in the primary and now have to toe the line. They don't have any leverage, they're members of congress.

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:39 pm
I'm in full support on the left when it concerns their pushes for healthcare and the minimum wage. I mean these are fair demands. The Dems bend over backwards for their corporate backers often enough.

This tactic makes little sense. You don't apply pressure behind the scenes by removing pressure form in front of everybody if you are from a different wing. The issue is they aren't trying and failing, they appear to be dropping things before they even try. And that is before Biden could use executive orders to fulfil some things they promised. Trump certainly did.

It has nothing to do with the corporate backers. They don't have the votes in the senate to nuke the fillibuster. And they don't ahve the votes in the senate because not everywhere in the US is Brooklyn. IIRC it was Sinema who killed the minium wage bill.

paddyor wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:11 pm

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:39 pm
I'm in full support on the left when it concerns their pushes for healthcare and the minimum wage. I mean these are fair demands. The Dems bend over backwards for their corporate backers often enough.

This tactic makes little sense. You don't apply pressure behind the scenes by removing pressure form in front of everybody if you are from a different wing. The issue is they aren't trying and failing, they appear to be dropping things before they even try. And that is before Biden could use executive orders to fulfil some things they promised. Trump certainly did.

It has nothing to do with the corporate backers. They don't have the votes in the senate to nuke the fillibuster. And they don't ahve the votes in the senate because not everywhere in the US is Brooklyn. IIRC it was Sinema who killed the minium wage bill.

Along with Tester from Montana and Joe "I'm a Democrat" Manchin.

One only needs to look at how difficult it was to get a traditional transportation bill through the senate to understand just how hard it is to get pieces of legislation through without resorting to tricks like reconciliation.

Btw, plenty of States and Cities/Counties are setting their own increased minimum wages, bypassing the Federal Government.

El Homerino wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:53 pm It was the main news on CNN today. Chris Cuomo didn't touch it, but all the other hosts went in. Really demonstrated the difference between the two parties. The Republicans have Matt Gaetz under investigation for trafficking of minors, and there has barely been utterance from the GOP.

Weird comparison. A news organisation commenting on a completed investigation into one of theirs vs a political party not commenting during an ongoing investigation into one of theirs.

I say weird although I'm well aware of the rules.

puku wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:45 pm

paddyor wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:11 pm

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:39 pm
I'm in full support on the left when it concerns their pushes for healthcare and the minimum wage. I mean these are fair demands. The Dems bend over backwards for their corporate backers often enough.

This tactic makes little sense. You don't apply pressure behind the scenes by removing pressure form in front of everybody if you are from a different wing. The issue is they aren't trying and failing, they appear to be dropping things before they even try. And that is before Biden could use executive orders to fulfil some things they promised. Trump certainly did.

It has nothing to do with the corporate backers. They don't have the votes in the senate to nuke the fillibuster. And they don't ahve the votes in the senate because not everywhere in the US is Brooklyn. IIRC it was Sinema who killed the minium wage bill.

Along with Tester from Montana and Joe "I'm a Democrat" Manchin.

One only needs to look at how difficult it was to get a traditional transportation bill through the senate to understand just how hard it is to get pieces of legislation through without resorting to tricks like reconciliation.

Btw, plenty of States and Cities/Counties are setting their own increased minimum wages, bypassing the Federal Government.

Ah yes, those known corporate shills from *checks notes* Montana, West Virgnina and Arizona.

So Biden gets his infrastructure package approved by the Senate, as 18 Republican Senator show the finger to Trump and vote for the package.

It seems to me that Biden is highly successful at gathering the center.

Plenty of pork barrels in a bill that size that plenty of people want to get their hands on and take back as a prize to their constituents. Even those who vote against it are going to be touting the support for their state

piquant wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:19 pmEven those who vote against it are going to be touting the support for their state

Very true.

Will be interesting to watch what comes next in the House.

TheFrog wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:57 pm So Biden gets his infrastructure package approved by the Senate, as 18 Republican Senator show the finger to Trump and vote for the package.

It seems to me that Biden is highly successful at gathering the center.

Yup...and to think some on here, in addition to some frothing Republicans, were claiming he was the second coming of Marx.

puku wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:28 pm

TheFrog wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:57 pm So Biden gets his infrastructure package approved by the Senate, as 18 Republican Senator show the finger to Trump and vote for the package.

It seems to me that Biden is highly successful at gathering the center.

Yup...and to think some on here, in addition to some frothing Republicans, were claiming he was the second coming of Marx.

What's Kamala like? Is she much further to the left?

Also are the GOP likely to retake the house Nov 23?

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:23 pm

puku wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:28 pm

TheFrog wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:57 pm So Biden gets his infrastructure package approved by the Senate, as 18 Republican Senator show the finger to Trump and vote for the package.

It seems to me that Biden is highly successful at gathering the center.

Yup...and to think some on here, in addition to some frothing Republicans, were claiming he was the second coming of Marx.

What's Kamala like? Is she much further to the left?

She's about as pro-corporate, unethical and two faced a democrat as you can get. She also has terrible political instincts but is anointed by the inner political circles of the Democrats. She recent trip to central America was pretty much a perfect sum up of what she is and what poison she is to the general populace. She's actually the millstone to Biden's poll ratings.

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:23 pm

puku wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:28 pm

TheFrog wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:57 pm So Biden gets his infrastructure package approved by the Senate, as 18 Republican Senator show the finger to Trump and vote for the package.

It seems to me that Biden is highly successful at gathering the center.

Yup...and to think some on here, in addition to some frothing Republicans, were claiming he was the second coming of Marx.

What's Kamala like? Is she much further to the left?

She likes slave labour, and doesn't care if possibly innocent men get the death penalty.

Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:46 pm

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:23 pm

puku wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:28 pm

TheFrog wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:57 pm So Biden gets his infrastructure package approved by the Senate, as 18 Republican Senator show the finger to Trump and vote for the package.

It seems to me that Biden is highly successful at gathering the center.

Yup...and to think some on here, in addition to some frothing Republicans, were claiming he was the second coming of Marx.

What's Kamala like? Is she much further to the left?

She likes slave labour, and doesn't care if possibly innocent men get the death penalty.

Really?

So why don’t you like her?

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:23 pm

puku wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:28 pm

TheFrog wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:57 pm So Biden gets his infrastructure package approved by the Senate, as 18 Republican Senator show the finger to Trump and vote for the package.

It seems to me that Biden is highly successful at gathering the center.

Yup...and to think some on here, in addition to some frothing Republicans, were claiming he was the second coming of Marx.

What's Kamala like? Is she much further to the left?

A bit further left overall, varies a bit issue to issue. She's actually a grown up so the kids are likely to throw their toys out of the pram about here

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:24 pm Also are the GOP likely to retake the house Nov 23?

A lot can happen between now and November 23rd... 2022 . Having said that, the economy is roaring back, Biden shows that he can make bipartisan deals, both of which Dems in 2022 will campaign on.

Trump may or may not be a factor in 2022 house seats. It was telling that Trump was urging Republican senators to reject the Biden infrastructure because he knows it will be a win for the Dems. Trump had his chance to do something similar when he was in charge but was too lazy and couldn't be arsed.