Are Ireland a symbol of all that's wrong with International Rugby

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mdaclarke wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:38 am .....but I would add a requirement that you become a citizen of the country you wish to represent.
where France leads, MDA Clarke follows :thumbup: .

Vakatawa actually failed his first attempt at becoming a French citizen.
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shereblue wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:44 am
mdaclarke wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:38 am .....but I would add a requirement that you become a citizen of the country you wish to represent.
where France leads, MDA Clarke follows :thumbup: .

Vakatawa actually failed his first attempt at becoming a French citizen.
Different countries have different requirements for becoming a citizen so it would hardly be a consistent approach.

How does one become an English citizen by the way?
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True Blue wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:09 am With the greatest of respect to Argentina (who I think is an amazing country) you probably aren't getting many people moving there for more pay or work. At least not from other rugby playing countries.
Sickening disrespect for the rugby players that emigrate from Perú, Bolivia, Paraguay, Brazil, Colombia and Venezuela to Argentina :x

http://www.migraciones.gov.ar/pdf/estad ... s_2018.pdf

Even 845 French had permanent or temporal residence in AR in the latest statistics :p
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Magpie26 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:20 pm
shereblue wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:44 am
mdaclarke wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:38 am .....but I would add a requirement that you become a citizen of the country you wish to represent.
where France leads, MDA Clarke follows :thumbup: .

Vakatawa actually failed his first attempt at becoming a French citizen.
Different countries have different requirements for becoming a citizen so it would hardly be a consistent approach.

How does one become an English citizen by the way?
Plus anybody playing for Ulster in the United Kingdom would have to live over the border for 5 years so they could get citizenship of Southern Ireland through naturalization.
Southern Ireland Citizenship through naturalization
Have a period of 365 days* (1 year) continuous reckonable residence in the State immediately before the date of your application for naturalisation and
During the 8 years before that, have had a total reckonable residence in the State of 1,460 days* (4 years)
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:29 pm
Magpie26 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:20 pm
shereblue wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:44 am
mdaclarke wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:38 am .....but I would add a requirement that you become a citizen of the country you wish to represent.
where France leads, MDA Clarke follows :thumbup: .

Vakatawa actually failed his first attempt at becoming a French citizen.
Different countries have different requirements for becoming a citizen so it would hardly be a consistent approach.

How does one become an English citizen by the way?
Plus anybody playing for Ulster in the United Kingdom would have to live over the border for 5 years so they could get citizenship of Southern Ireland through naturalization.
Southern Ireland Citizenship through naturalization
Have a period of 365 days* (1 year) continuous reckonable residence in the State immediately before the date of your application for naturalisation and
During the 8 years before that, have had a total reckonable residence in the State of 1,460 days* (4 years)
Aw yikes :lol:
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Magpie26 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:20 pm
shereblue wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:44 am
mdaclarke wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:38 am .....but I would add a requirement that you become a citizen of the country you wish to represent.
where France leads, MDA Clarke follows :thumbup: .

Vakatawa actually failed his first attempt at becoming a French citizen.
Different countries have different requirements for becoming a citizen so it would hardly be a consistent approach.

How does one become an English citizen by the way?
Jump in a dinghy in France, throw your passport away, claim asylum when you wash up on the coast.
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mdaclarke wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:06 pm https://extra.ie/2020/11/19/sport/rugby ... rish-rugby

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/ ... 68108.html

At what point does International Competition loose its essence.

I wonder if CJ Stander or James Lowe or any of the other residency qualified players grow up dreaming of wearing Irish Green.

Compare with the passion of Argentina

https://rugbyonslaught.com/theyre-kicki ... ock-upset/

You can tell he grew up dreaming of playing for the Pumas.
Which team do you support and where do you live?
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message #2527204 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:50 pm
Magpie26 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:20 pm
shereblue wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:44 am
mdaclarke wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:38 am .....but I would add a requirement that you become a citizen of the country you wish to represent.
where France leads, MDA Clarke follows :thumbup: .

Vakatawa actually failed his first attempt at becoming a French citizen.
Different countries have different requirements for becoming a citizen so it would hardly be a consistent approach.

How does one become an English citizen by the way?
Jump in a dinghy in France, throw your passport away, claim asylum when you wash up on the coast.
One option I guess :P
Still probably gives you British citizenship rather than English though...
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Magpie26 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:26 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:50 pm
Magpie26 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:20 pm
shereblue wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:44 am
mdaclarke wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:38 am .....but I would add a requirement that you become a citizen of the country you wish to represent.
where France leads, MDA Clarke follows :thumbup: .

Vakatawa actually failed his first attempt at becoming a French citizen.
Different countries have different requirements for becoming a citizen so it would hardly be a consistent approach.

How does one become an English citizen by the way?
Jump in a dinghy in France, throw your passport away, claim asylum when you wash up on the coast.
One option I guess :P
Still probably gives you British citizenship rather than English though...
Not a problem as residency would be the decider
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:29 pm
Magpie26 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:20 pm
shereblue wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:44 am
mdaclarke wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:38 am .....but I would add a requirement that you become a citizen of the country you wish to represent.
where France leads, MDA Clarke follows :thumbup: .

Vakatawa actually failed his first attempt at becoming a French citizen.
Different countries have different requirements for becoming a citizen so it would hardly be a consistent approach.

How does one become an English citizen by the way?
Plus anybody playing for Ulster in the United Kingdom would have to live over the border for 5 years so they could get citizenship of Southern Ireland through naturalization.
Southern Ireland Citizenship through naturalization
Have a period of 365 days* (1 year) continuous reckonable residence in the State immediately before the date of your application for naturalisation and
During the 8 years before that, have had a total reckonable residence in the State of 1,460 days* (4 years)
Technically you're correct but if I remember there was a case of a Brazilian who wanted Irish citizenship and lived in Derry and was refused. I think she brought it to the high court and won.

I need to dig it out just in case I have it the wrong way around.

Actually that may have been related to her husband looking for residency in Northern Ireland and not her naturalization.
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iarmhiman wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:44 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:29 pm
Magpie26 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:20 pm
shereblue wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:44 am
mdaclarke wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:38 am .....but I would add a requirement that you become a citizen of the country you wish to represent.
where France leads, MDA Clarke follows :thumbup: .

Vakatawa actually failed his first attempt at becoming a French citizen.
Different countries have different requirements for becoming a citizen so it would hardly be a consistent approach.

How does one become an English citizen by the way?
Plus anybody playing for Ulster in the United Kingdom would have to live over the border for 5 years so they could get citizenship of Southern Ireland through naturalization.
Southern Ireland Citizenship through naturalization
Have a period of 365 days* (1 year) continuous reckonable residence in the State immediately before the date of your application for naturalisation and
During the 8 years before that, have had a total reckonable residence in the State of 1,460 days* (4 years)
Technically you're correct but if I remember there was a case of a Brazilian who wanted Irish citizenship and lived in Derry and was refused. I think she brought it to the high court and won.

I need to dig it out just in case I have it the wrong way around.
This was actually because he was married to an Irish person and was claiming nationality through a side route - her nationality. This changes the requirements slightly.

The argument was that the UK didnt accept the terms of the GFA because they refused to accept him through his irish nationality and said he must follow the UK regs.
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As far as I remember the Irish citizen was asked to give up their claim to be Irish before the spouse was allowed become a British citizen.
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CM11 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:55 pm As far as I remember the Irish citizen was asked to give up their claim to be Irish before the spouse was allowed become a British citizen.
Ah okay, that's completely different.
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:44 pm
Magpie26 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:26 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:50 pm
Magpie26 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:20 pm
shereblue wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:44 am
where France leads, MDA Clarke follows :thumbup: .

Vakatawa actually failed his first attempt at becoming a French citizen.
Different countries have different requirements for becoming a citizen so it would hardly be a consistent approach.

How does one become an English citizen by the way?
Jump in a dinghy in France, throw your passport away, claim asylum when you wash up on the coast.
One option I guess :P
Still probably gives you British citizenship rather than English though...
Not a problem as residency would be the decider
So it would only be a British team from now on :shock:
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Magpie26 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:40 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:44 pm
Magpie26 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:26 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:50 pm
Magpie26 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:20 pm
Different countries have different requirements for becoming a citizen so it would hardly be a consistent approach.

How does one become an English citizen by the way?
Jump in a dinghy in France, throw your passport away, claim asylum when you wash up on the coast.
One option I guess :P
Still probably gives you British citizenship rather than English though...
Not a problem as residency would be the decider
So it would only be a British team from now on :shock:
No as residency would be the decider
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Magpie26 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:26 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:50 pm
Magpie26 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:20 pm
shereblue wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:44 am
mdaclarke wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:38 am .....but I would add a requirement that you become a citizen of the country you wish to represent.
where France leads, MDA Clarke follows :thumbup: .

Vakatawa actually failed his first attempt at becoming a French citizen.
Different countries have different requirements for becoming a citizen so it would hardly be a consistent approach.

How does one become an English citizen by the way?
Jump in a dinghy in France, throw your passport away, claim asylum when you wash up on the coast.
One option I guess :P
Still probably gives you British citizenship rather than English though...
I guess you could ask to be shipped to one of the regions before being processed. Taking a dinghy to Wales or Scotland would be too hazardous.
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