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Short Man Syndrome wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:56 am What would Australia do if China forcibly took control of Taiwan?
We'd ask the NZ Trade Minister to make a call and sort it all out.
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Short Man Syndrome wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:26 am Was just curious. Am pleased to hear that ‘force’ is theoretically impossible, I know Keelung pretty well, it’s a nice spot. I worry for Taiwan, though.
The other problem for the CCP is that the mainland and Taiwan economies became significantly intertwined in the 90s-00s. If they wreck the Taiwan economy (which they probably could get enough ashore, temporarily, to do) they wreck their own as well.
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terangi48 wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:00 pm Quote" "One of the best moves across the ditch was to make higher education free again for citizens, NZ will reap the windfall from that."

Once Covid is wrapped up again, NZ will not reap the windfall from that. Australia will up the hourly rate available in NZ by $10, and the kiwis will cross the ditch again to work, pay tax, get no benefits from the Oz Govt as a tax payer, and return home eventually........Australia will reap the windfall from that!
Kiwis who chose to relocate to Australia are entitled to and are assumedly capable of applying for residency, just like the rest of the world.
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Great to see Russia & Canada join Australia to stand up to China’s trade bluff: https://www.theepochtimes.com/canada-ru ... pushengage
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Albo pulling the wrong rein here.

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2021/0 ... os-drivel/
What is Labor’s plan for the Kowtow Embassy? Which of the 14 conditions is it happy with? None of them is acceptable because all will reopen conduits to CCP influence. Or does Labor agree with all 14 conditions, because China has made plain all will be required for re-engagement?
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Ellafan wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:51 am Albo pulling the wrong rein here.

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2021/0 ... os-drivel/
What is Labor’s plan for the Kowtow Embassy? Which of the 14 conditions is it happy with? None of them is acceptable because all will reopen conduits to CCP influence. Or does Labor agree with all 14 conditions, because China has made plain all will be required for re-engagement?
The governments of Howard and Rudd took the easy path of deeper economic engagement because they misjudged China. They thought that a liberalised economy would free Chinese politics. Instead, it has turned out that China is seeking to illberalise ours. Hoocoodanode?
To be fair, Howard and Rudd thought no different than what all of the rest of Western world leaders thought.
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Good opening post on this thread, Logical.
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China's trade punches flailing in the air as new barley markets buy Australian.., and the price of inferior grade product rises for Chinese buyers as a result.

Those damned free markets just won't do what the CCP wants.

First ever Australian malting barley exports to Mexico, other China alternatives open up
On Sunday, 35,000 tonnes of WA-grown malting barley was shipped to Mexico and is believed to be the first ever shipment of the commodity from Australia to the central American nation...demand for Australian feed barley from Saudi Arabia was set to jump from almost nothing in 2019-20 to more than two million tonnes this year.. Saudi Arabia is the second largest barley importer in the world, behind China.

Meanwhile, Australian feed barley exports to Thailand and Vietnam are forecast to double this financial year, CBH says.
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Ellafan wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:33 am China's trade punches flailing in the air as new barley markets buy Australian.., and the price of inferior grade product rises for Chinese buyers as a result.

Those damned free markets just won't do what the CCP wants.

First ever Australian malting barley exports to Mexico, other China alternatives open up
On Sunday, 35,000 tonnes of WA-grown malting barley was shipped to Mexico and is believed to be the first ever shipment of the commodity from Australia to the central American nation...demand for Australian feed barley from Saudi Arabia was set to jump from almost nothing in 2019-20 to more than two million tonnes this year.. Saudi Arabia is the second largest barley importer in the world, behind China.

Meanwhile, Australian feed barley exports to Thailand and Vietnam are forecast to double this financial year, CBH says.
This is great news, although perhaps it would have been easier to simply not pick a fight with China to begin with, solely to suck up to Donald Trump?

As an aside, I notice that the Australian govt hasn't repeated its megaphone diplomacy with China that initiated this trade war. I guess there is no Donald Trump to impress anymore? It's great to see that our govt is acting with the nuance and maturity that we've asked :thumbup:
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Harveys wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:50 am
terangi48 wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:00 pm Quote" "One of the best moves across the ditch was to make higher education free again for citizens, NZ will reap the windfall from that."

Once Covid is wrapped up again, NZ will not reap the windfall from that. Australia will up the hourly rate available in NZ by $10, and the kiwis will cross the ditch again to work, pay tax, get no benefits from the Oz Govt as a tax payer, and return home eventually........Australia will reap the windfall from that!
Kiwis who chose to relocate to Australia are entitled to and are assumedly capable of applying for residency, just like the rest of the world.
Yep the rules for immigration are if you're a South African doctor, promising test batsman, Pakistani spin bowler or something similar its welcome to Australia. Otherwise its fudge off we're full. Or there could be a few space left on sunny Manus island.
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JamesJames wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:40 am
Harveys wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:50 am
terangi48 wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:00 pm Quote" "One of the best moves across the ditch was to make higher education free again for citizens, NZ will reap the windfall from that."

Once Covid is wrapped up again, NZ will not reap the windfall from that. Australia will up the hourly rate available in NZ by $10, and the kiwis will cross the ditch again to work, pay tax, get no benefits from the Oz Govt as a tax payer, and return home eventually........Australia will reap the windfall from that!
Kiwis who chose to relocate to Australia are entitled to and are assumedly capable of applying for residency, just like the rest of the world.
Yep the rules for immigration are if you're a South African doctor, promising test batsman, Pakistani spin bowler or something similar its welcome to Australia. Otherwise its fudge off we're full. Or there could be a few space left on sunny Manus island.
Australia takes tens of thousands of people, including refugees, every year.

You’re making yourself look silly.
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shanky wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:40 am What a lovely bunch

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55794071
The BBC World news was banned from China after these stories. The sad thing is they look to be stories of corruption for personal gain, rather than of a deliberate strategy to, ah, win hearts and minds, to use an old fashioned phrase. Too embarrassing for the utopia of the proletariat, one imagines.
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shanky wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:42 am
JamesJames wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:40 am
Harveys wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:50 am
terangi48 wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:00 pm Quote" "One of the best moves across the ditch was to make higher education free again for citizens, NZ will reap the windfall from that."

Once Covid is wrapped up again, NZ will not reap the windfall from that. Australia will up the hourly rate available in NZ by $10, and the kiwis will cross the ditch again to work, pay tax, get no benefits from the Oz Govt as a tax payer, and return home eventually........Australia will reap the windfall from that!
Kiwis who chose to relocate to Australia are entitled to and are assumedly capable of applying for residency, just like the rest of the world.
Yep the rules for immigration are if you're a South African doctor, promising test batsman, Pakistani spin bowler or something similar its welcome to Australia. Otherwise its fudge off we're full. Or there could be a few space left on sunny Manus island.
Australia takes tens of thousands of people, including refugees, every year.

You’re making yourself look silly.
The quota is 12 000 to be exact. A lot better than the kiwis to be fair. But lagging far behind South Africa.
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Wow actually Aus is a lot lower than 12000. Now that they've done away with the "Special Humanitarian Visa (offshore)" aka Tropical Island Holiday package for people fleeing persecution.
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JamesJames wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:42 am Wow actually Aus is a lot lower than 12000. Now that they've done away with the "Special Humanitarian Visa (offshore)" aka Tropical Island Holiday package for people fleeing persecution.
In the last 75 years the kiwis have taken in a staggering 450 people fleeing persecution per year.
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JamesJames wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:36 am
shanky wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:42 am
JamesJames wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:40 am
Harveys wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:50 am
terangi48 wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:00 pm Quote" "One of the best moves across the ditch was to make higher education free again for citizens, NZ will reap the windfall from that."

Once Covid is wrapped up again, NZ will not reap the windfall from that. Australia will up the hourly rate available in NZ by $10, and the kiwis will cross the ditch again to work, pay tax, get no benefits from the Oz Govt as a tax payer, and return home eventually........Australia will reap the windfall from that!
Kiwis who chose to relocate to Australia are entitled to and are assumedly capable of applying for residency, just like the rest of the world.
Yep the rules for immigration are if you're a South African doctor, promising test batsman, Pakistani spin bowler or something similar its welcome to Australia. Otherwise its fudge off we're full. Or there could be a few space left on sunny Manus island.
Australia takes tens of thousands of people, including refugees, every year.

You’re making yourself look silly.
The quota is 12 000 to be exact. A lot better than the kiwis to be fair. But lagging far behind South Africa.
It has never surprised me that masses of people continue to walk across the northern RSA borders into the Republic, post 1992, even though the average shanty-town life experience is third world, given the available alternatives in sub Saharan Africa. The key word being "walk". Whether RSA claims these largely economic refugees are the equivalent of real refugees is of no concern to any objective observer; they inflate the numbers.

What is surprising is that they were doing it during the apartheid years. Which, ironically would have meant that eventually the minority government would have been swamped, even if it did not adopt a more graceful exit path.
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JamesJames wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:36 am
shanky wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:42 am
JamesJames wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:40 am
Harveys wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:50 am
terangi48 wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:00 pm Quote" "One of the best moves across the ditch was to make higher education free again for citizens, NZ will reap the windfall from that."

Once Covid is wrapped up again, NZ will not reap the windfall from that. Australia will up the hourly rate available in NZ by $10, and the kiwis will cross the ditch again to work, pay tax, get no benefits from the Oz Govt as a tax payer, and return home eventually........Australia will reap the windfall from that!
Kiwis who chose to relocate to Australia are entitled to and are assumedly capable of applying for residency, just like the rest of the world.
Yep the rules for immigration are if you're a South African doctor, promising test batsman, Pakistani spin bowler or something similar its welcome to Australia. Otherwise its fudge off we're full. Or there could be a few space left on sunny Manus island.
Australia takes tens of thousands of people, including refugees, every year.

You’re making yourself look silly.
The quota is 12 000 to be exact. A lot better than the kiwis to be fair. But lagging far behind South Africa.
So, nothing like how characterised it then

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Ellafan wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:46 am
JamesJames wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:36 am
shanky wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:42 am
JamesJames wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:40 am
Harveys wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:50 am

Kiwis who chose to relocate to Australia are entitled to and are assumedly capable of applying for residency, just like the rest of the world.
Yep the rules for immigration are if you're a South African doctor, promising test batsman, Pakistani spin bowler or something similar its welcome to Australia. Otherwise its fudge off we're full. Or there could be a few space left on sunny Manus island.
Australia takes tens of thousands of people, including refugees, every year.

You’re making yourself look silly.
The quota is 12 000 to be exact. A lot better than the kiwis to be fair. But lagging far behind South Africa.
It has never surprised me that masses of people continue to walk across the northern RSA borders into the Republic, post 1992, even though the average shanty-town life experience is third world, given the available alternatives in sub Saharan Africa.

What is surprising is that they were doing it during the apartheid years. Which, ironically would have meant that eventually the minority government would have been swamped, even if it did not adopt a more graceful exit path.
A few points.
-Maybe not in Aus, but "shanty town" is considered a demeaning term in SA. We call them "informal settlements out of respect for the people living there."
- It would surprise you because you may not understand the African concept of ubuntu. "umuntu ngumuntu ngabantu" is isiZulu and kinda means "a person exists by virtue of shared humanity". And while the overwhelming pressure on our scant resources has sparked some ugly xenophobia, ubuntu still underpins most human behaviour here. Our African brethren from other countries have integrated well and make a valuable contribution to the economy.
- There wasn't a huge influx of African immigrants during the apartheid years. Some Namibians, white zimbos and the odd Mozambican. Black africans had to carry a travel document called a dompas, so foreigners were easily picked up.
- our Northern border is an entirely arbitrary construct drawn up by white Europeans. It cuts through areas populated by ethnic groupings like the Tsonga, Tswana, se Swati etc. They have migrated over for centuries over that imaginary line. So not surprising that it feels completely natural for them to do it.
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Shut up Anon
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grievous wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:17 am Shut up Anon
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JamesJames wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:40 am
Harveys wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:50 am
terangi48 wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:00 pm Quote" "One of the best moves across the ditch was to make higher education free again for citizens, NZ will reap the windfall from that."

Once Covid is wrapped up again, NZ will not reap the windfall from that. Australia will up the hourly rate available in NZ by $10, and the kiwis will cross the ditch again to work, pay tax, get no benefits from the Oz Govt as a tax payer, and return home eventually........Australia will reap the windfall from that!
Kiwis who chose to relocate to Australia are entitled to and are assumedly capable of applying for residency, just like the rest of the world.
Yep the rules for immigration are if you're a South African doctor, promising test batsman, Pakistani spin bowler or something similar its welcome to Australia. Otherwise its fudge off we're full. Or there could be a few space left on sunny Manus island.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Nice try, knucklehead. Straya has a higher percentage of OS-born citizens than any other country with a population > 11 M. or thereabouts.

And yeah nah, not too many are a 'South African doctor, promising test batsman, Pakistani spin bowler or something similar'.

Straya's treatment of asylum seekers shits me intensely and is something we Strayans have reason to be ashamed of, but any notion that inbound migration is a trickle is easily disproved by the numbers.
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MungoMan wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:40 am
JamesJames wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:40 am
Harveys wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:50 am
terangi48 wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:00 pm Quote" "One of the best moves across the ditch was to make higher education free again for citizens, NZ will reap the windfall from that."

Once Covid is wrapped up again, NZ will not reap the windfall from that. Australia will up the hourly rate available in NZ by $10, and the kiwis will cross the ditch again to work, pay tax, get no benefits from the Oz Govt as a tax payer, and return home eventually........Australia will reap the windfall from that!
Kiwis who chose to relocate to Australia are entitled to and are assumedly capable of applying for residency, just like the rest of the world.
Yep the rules for immigration are if you're a South African doctor, promising test batsman, Pakistani spin bowler or something similar its welcome to Australia. Otherwise its fudge off we're full. Or there could be a few space left on sunny Manus island.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Nice try, knucklehead. Straya has a higher percentage of OS-born citizens than any other country with a population > 11 M. or thereabouts.

And yeah nah, not too many are a 'South African doctor, promising test batsman, Pakistani spin bowler or something similar'.

Straya's treatment of asylum seekers shits me intensely and is something we Strayans have reason to be ashamed of, but any notion that inbound migration is a trickle is easily disproved by the numbers.
Its a Anon multi
Still, be lectured by a Saffa about race relations has to be the all time hypocrisy in here.
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grievous wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:49 am
MungoMan wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:40 am
JamesJames wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:40 am
Harveys wrote: Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:50 am
terangi48 wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:00 pm Quote" "One of the best moves across the ditch was to make higher education free again for citizens, NZ will reap the windfall from that."

Once Covid is wrapped up again, NZ will not reap the windfall from that. Australia will up the hourly rate available in NZ by $10, and the kiwis will cross the ditch again to work, pay tax, get no benefits from the Oz Govt as a tax payer, and return home eventually........Australia will reap the windfall from that!
Kiwis who chose to relocate to Australia are entitled to and are assumedly capable of applying for residency, just like the rest of the world.
Yep the rules for immigration are if you're a South African doctor, promising test batsman, Pakistani spin bowler or something similar its welcome to Australia. Otherwise its fudge off we're full. Or there could be a few space left on sunny Manus island.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Nice try, knucklehead. Straya has a higher percentage of OS-born citizens than any other country with a population > 11 M. or thereabouts.

And yeah nah, not too many are a 'South African doctor, promising test batsman, Pakistani spin bowler or something similar'.

Straya's treatment of asylum seekers shits me intensely and is something we Strayans have reason to be ashamed of, but any notion that inbound migration is a trickle is easily disproved by the numbers.
Its a Anon multi
Still, be lectured by a Saffa about race relations has to be the all time hypocrisy in here.
We're deeply aware of our shameful past and do not try to pretend it didn't exist. Only the other day I learned that there were over 60 000 cases of institutional sexual child abuse during the seventies in Australia. Mostly of non-white children. I was shocked to learn that there have been almost no prosecutions. I didnt know that native australian children were forcibly removed from their families well into the 1970's. They're doing something similar with the Chinese Uighurs I believe. Its been so little publicized in this country and no Australian I've ever met has raised it, despite wanting to talk endlessly about my experiences as a coloured man under apartheid. And before you get your panties in a twist, "coloured" how I identify ethnically.

So I've decided to educate myself about the non-racial utopias in New Zealand and Australia. Starting with Rabbit Proof Fence and the Invasion/Australia day debate. Waitangi Day, New Zealand politicians oppressed over their tattoos and having to wear ties.
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The 70's is very recent history.
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Sputnik V wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:22 pm The 70's is very recent history.
I am a descendant of Indonesian slaves and conquered indigenous Africans. I consider 1650 recent history.
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Sputnik V wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:22 pm The 70's is very recent history.
Apartheid seems to escaped Anon's conscious.
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The treatment of aboriginals and Native Americans is still shocking today. Only NZ seems to have made any effort to integrate of the three nations
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grievous wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:29 pm
Sputnik V wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:22 pm The 70's is very recent history.
Apartheid seems to escaped Anon's conscious.
When you talk about race relations and Saffers you must understand that about 90 percent of us are eminently qualified to talk about the subject. We've suffered white European subjugation for close to 4 centuries. Your Queen and her empire came under the guise of emancipating the slaves but was just as tyrannous.
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JamesJames wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:35 pm
grievous wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:29 pm
Sputnik V wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:22 pm The 70's is very recent history.
Apartheid seems to escaped Anon's conscious.
When you talk about race relations and Saffers you must understand that about 90 percent of us are eminently qualified to talk about the subject. We've suffered white European subjugation for close to 4 centuries. Your Queen and her empire came under the guise of emancipating the slaves but was just as tyrannous.
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So China are refusing to co-operate with the World Health Organisation now.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-13/ ... s/13152786

Why? What does AC, Jdog and the other inner city soy latte ultra left wing CCP stooges have by way of excuses for this?
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Clogs wrote: Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:24 am So China are refusing to co-operate with the World Health Organisation now.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-13/ ... s/13152786

Why? What does AC, Jdog and the other inner city soy latte ultra left wing CCP stooges have by way of excuses for this?
I make no excuses for anything the Chinese govt does. Why would you expect me to? You're quickly evolving into Australia's version of Seneca of the Night.
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Clogs wrote: Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:24 am So China are refusing to co-operate with the World Health Organisation now.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-13/ ... s/13152786

Why? What does AC, Jdog and the other inner city soy latte ultra left wing CCP stooges have by way of excuses for this?
You mean interviews with patients, notes on how they are feeling
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Ali's Choice wrote: Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:27 am
Clogs wrote: Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:24 am So China are refusing to co-operate with the World Health Organisation now.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-13/ ... s/13152786

Why? What does AC, Jdog and the other inner city soy latte ultra left wing CCP stooges have by way of excuses for this?
I make no excuses for anything the Chinese govt does. Why would you expect me to? You're quickly evolving into Australia's version of Seneca of the Night.
Too late, you may as well keep taking the money.
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Ellafan wrote: Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:16 pm
Ali's Choice wrote: Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:27 am
Clogs wrote: Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:24 am So China are refusing to co-operate with the World Health Organisation now.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-13/ ... s/13152786

Why? What does AC, Jdog and the other inner city soy latte ultra left wing CCP stooges have by way of excuses for this?
I make no excuses for anything the Chinese govt does. Why would you expect me to? You're quickly evolving into Australia's version of Seneca of the Night.
Too late, you may as well keep taking the money.
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