Boris Johnson resignation

[Gospel]

I think it depends on Carrie. If Carrie starts pushing her Woke agenda too much then the Tory MPs will get rid of him and put Sunak in.

Also if they feel the Coronavirus restrictions have gone on too long and are damaging the economy too much they will get rid of him and put Sunak in.

The Tory party is ruthless when it comes to getting rid of its leader

I think the anti-lockdown brigade were a big driving force behind Johnson's stubborn insistence to push ahead with Christmas - then the overwhelming science argument finally forced his hand. He's bouncing between two walls and and failing everyone.

[Openside]

Patel

That wouldn't be pretty

it certainly would be Priti

[shereblue]

I think it depends on Carrie. If Carrie starts pushing her Woke agenda too much then the Tory MPs will get rid of him and put Sunak in.

Also if they feel the Coronavirus restrictions have gone on too long and are damaging the economy too much they will get rid of him and put Sunak in.

The Tory party is ruthless when it comes to getting rid of its leader

Sez the man who lectures Remainers about "democracy"

[Duff Paddy]

Patel

That wouldn't be pretty

it certainly would be Priti

Didn’t think you could find anyone worse than Boris but Thatcher Lite fair play that would be hilarious

[RodneyRegis]

Love that bojo is hammered for the U-turn but all the other devolved parliaments are fine

[C69]

Love that bojo is hammered for the U-turn but all the other devolved parliaments are fine

Care to look at his comments to Starmer on Wednesday?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDOdaK5Zqj0

That said we are fecked

[Gospel]

Love that bojo is hammered for the U-turn but all the other devolved parliaments are fine

That's largely been the story of Covid from the start.

[SaintK]

People have consistently underestimated Johnson. I'm not saying he's a good PM or even a competent one but it's difficult to argue that he doesn't know how to play the political game.

Nah.......Gove pulling the strings

[Willie Falloon]

I think it depends on Carrie. If Carrie starts pushing her Woke agenda too much then the Tory MPs will get rid of him and put Sunak in.

Also if they feel the Coronavirus restrictions have gone on too long and are damaging the economy too much they will get rid of him and put Sunak in.

The Tory party is ruthless when it comes to getting rid of its leader

You'd imagine Sunak is next in line. He has been a very impressive, calming voice during this pandemic.

[Duff Paddy]

I think it depends on Carrie. If Carrie starts pushing her Woke agenda too much then the Tory MPs will get rid of him and put Sunak in.

Also if they feel the Coronavirus restrictions have gone on too long and are damaging the economy too much they will get rid of him and put Sunak in.

The Tory party is ruthless when it comes to getting rid of its leader

You'd imagine Sunak is next in line. He has been a very impressive, calming voice during this pandemic.

Being mega rich probably helps with the stress in fairness

[eldanielfire]

People have consistently underestimated Johnson. I'm not saying he's a good PM or even a competent one but it's difficult to argue that he doesn't know how to play the political game.

Nah.......Gove pulling the strings

I suppose Johnson knows how to use his popularity and knows to have the right sort of smart people around him to get things done.

[SaintK]

People have consistently underestimated Johnson. I'm not saying he's a good PM or even a competent one but it's difficult to argue that he doesn't know how to play the political game.

Nah.......Gove pulling the strings

I suppose Johnson knows how to use his popularity and knows to have the right sort of smart people around him to get things done.

His popularity is on the wane by the looks both inside and outside his party
His "strength" is playing to a live audience either in the house, at party functions or on the stump when he can get a reaction to his nblustering, bombastic style
So far his choice of the "right people" has been very poor

[eldanielfire]

People have consistently underestimated Johnson. I'm not saying he's a good PM or even a competent one but it's difficult to argue that he doesn't know how to play the political game.

Nah.......Gove pulling the strings

I suppose Johnson knows how to use his popularity and knows to have the right sort of smart people around him to get things done.

His popularity is on the wane by the looks both inside and outside his party
His "strength" is playing to a live audience either in the house, at party functions or on the stump when he can get a reaction to his nblustering, bombastic style
So far his choice of the "right people" has been very poor

I'd say Cummings was a good choice. He helped get him into power on a popular platford. Certainly some of Cummings colleagues did (As despite things Cumminsg didn't run the election campaign in 2019). Regardless of what you think of him, he was brilliant at his jobs until the COVID crisis. Likewise, Johnson has a fair new others who are effective in politics.

[Willie Falloon]

People have consistently underestimated Johnson. I'm not saying he's a good PM or even a competent one but it's difficult to argue that he doesn't know how to play the political game.

Nah.......Gove pulling the strings

I suppose Johnson knows how to use his popularity and knows to have the right sort of smart people around him to get things done.

Suppose you'd prefer some of the trashy people in the Labour party, no doubt you're an admirer of McDonnell, Rayner and Long-Bailey.

[eldanielfire]

People have consistently underestimated Johnson. I'm not saying he's a good PM or even a competent one but it's difficult to argue that he doesn't know how to play the political game.

Nah.......Gove pulling the strings

I suppose Johnson knows how to use his popularity and knows to have the right sort of smart people around him to get things done.

Suppose you'd prefer some of the trashy people in the Labour party, no doubt you're an admirer of McDonnell, Rayner and Long-Bailey.

Nah.

[Anonymous 1]

I think it depends on Carrie. If Carrie starts pushing her Woke agenda too much then the Tory MPs will get rid of him and put Sunak in.

Also if they feel the Coronavirus restrictions have gone on too long and are damaging the economy too much they will get rid of him and put Sunak in.

The Tory party is ruthless when it comes to getting rid of its leader

You'd imagine Sunak is next in line. He has been a very impressive, calming voice during this pandemic.

Puppet on a string

[SaintK]

People have consistently underestimated Johnson. I'm not saying he's a good PM or even a competent one but it's difficult to argue that he doesn't know how to play the political game.

Nah.......Gove pulling the strings

I suppose Johnson knows how to use his popularity and knows to have the right sort of smart people around him to get things done.

His popularity is on the wane by the looks both inside and outside his party
His "strength" is playing to a live audience either in the house, at party functions or on the stump when he can get a reaction to his nblustering, bombastic style
So far his choice of the "right people" has been very poor

I'd say Cummings was a good choice. He helped get him into power on a popular platford. Certainly some of Cummings colleagues did (As despite things Cumminsg didn't run the election campaign in 2019). Regardless of what you think of him, he was brilliant at his jobs until the COVID crisis. Likewise, Johnson has a fair new others who are effective in politics.

Cummings was always Gove's man, gave him his first major job in government when he was at Education and was the one who bought him in to the Leave campaign.
"Brilliant" is not a word I would ascribe to anyone in government at present

[SaintK]

People have consistently underestimated Johnson. I'm not saying he's a good PM or even a competent one but it's difficult to argue that he doesn't know how to play the political game.

Nah.......Gove pulling the strings

I suppose Johnson knows how to use his popularity and knows to have the right sort of smart people around him to get things done.

Suppose you'd prefer some of the trashy people in the Labour party, no doubt you're an admirer of McDonnell, Rayner and Long-Bailey.

No, do you?

[RodneyRegis]

People have consistently underestimated Johnson. I'm not saying he's a good PM or even a competent one but it's difficult to argue that he doesn't know how to play the political game.

Nah.......Gove pulling the strings

I suppose Johnson knows how to use his popularity and knows to have the right sort of smart people around him to get things done.

His popularity is on the wane by the looks both inside and outside his party
His "strength" is playing to a live audience either in the house, at party functions or on the stump when he can get a reaction to his nblustering, bombastic style
So far his choice of the "right people" has been very poor

Of course it is. Half the population think we should never have gone down lockdown and erosion of liberty route, the other think we should never go out again and Boris has blood on his hands. Nobody is going to be happy. when it comes to the crunch, people will weigh up whether they would prefer him or a labour candidate and go for him. The Tories may be ruthless but he gave them a massive majority which nobody else would have delivered. I'm not sure Rishi will want the chalice, I'd give him a month before everybody turned on him.

[message #2527204]

Labour will have ripped itself apart again by election time.

I can't think of another politician who could have ridden covid and brexit, and all the shit that a temporarily united Labour party has thrown, and still not have hos party behind in the polls.

[eldanielfire]

Of course it is. Half the population think we should never have gone down lockdown and erosion of liberty route, the other think we should never go out again and Boris has blood on his hands. Nobody is going to be happy. when it comes to the crunch, people will weigh up whether they would prefer him or a labour candidate and go for him. The Tories may be ruthless but he gave them a massive majority which nobody else would have delivered. I'm not sure Rishi will want the chalice, I'd give him a month before everybody turned on him.

This is a good point. It's what I was referring to when I spoke about COVID divisions and how other countries have more compliant populations.

I think also it's more like a 3/4 of the population to 1/4 according to this poll, most people support the Tier 4 measures:




Interesting that it is Labour voters who are slightly less supportive of it. It suggests the 'libertarian anti lockdown' voices who tend to appear in the Tory media are over represented there.

[message #2527204]

Nah.......Gove pulling the strings

I suppose Johnson knows how to use his popularity and knows to have the right sort of smart people around him to get things done.

His popularity is on the wane by the looks both inside and outside his party
His "strength" is playing to a live audience either in the house, at party functions or on the stump when he can get a reaction to his nblustering, bombastic style
So far his choice of the "right people" has been very poor

Of course it is. Half the population think we should never have gone down lockdown and erosion of liberty route, the other think we should never go out again and Boris has blood on his hands. Nobody is going to be happy. when it comes to the crunch, people will weigh up whether they would prefer him or a labour candidate and go for him. The Tories may be ruthless but he gave them a massive majority which nobody else would have delivered. I'm not sure Rishi will want the chalice, I'd give him a month before everybody turned on him.

This is a good point. It's what I was referring to when I spoke about COVID divisions and how other countries have more compliant populations.

I think also it's more like a 3/4 of the population to 1/4 according to this poll, most people support the Tier 4 measures:

What's the spread regionally? Do londoners support it as much as the Scots?

[Anonymous 1]

People have consistently underestimated Johnson. I'm not saying he's a good PM or even a competent one but it's difficult to argue that he doesn't know how to play the political game.

Nah.......Gove pulling the strings

I suppose Johnson knows how to use his popularity and knows to have the right sort of smart people around him to get things done.

His popularity is on the wane by the looks both inside and outside his party
His "strength" is playing to a live audience either in the house, at party functions or on the stump when he can get a reaction to his nblustering, bombastic style
So far his choice of the "right people" has been very poor

Of course it is. Half the population think we should never have gone down lockdown and erosion of liberty route, the other think we should never go out again and Boris has blood on his hands. Nobody is going to be happy. when it comes to the crunch, people will weigh up whether they would prefer him or a labour candidate and go for him. The Tories may be ruthless but he gave them a massive majority which nobody else would have delivered. I'm not sure Rishi will want the chalice, I'd give him a month before everybody turned on him.

The right wing press always hammered lockdown but poll after poll showed strong public support for lockdown. Not this bogus 50% you suggest.

[YOYO]

Liz Truss is the man for the job.

[eldanielfire]

What's the spread regionally? Do londoners support it as much as the Scots?

No idea. I imagine it was a quickly commissioned poll rather than a comprehensive opinion study. It can be found here:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/ar ... _4_support

[DragsterDriver]

He was always going when Brexit is resolved- I’d imagine he was originally off with Cummings in January , now he’ll probably have to stay until the vaccine rolls out.

Really? I thought he had a lifetime of want to be PM. I doubt he'll quit after a year.

I doubt it’s lived up to his expectations, he was always going to ‘get Brexit done’ and leave a hero before it got tricky. The gods clearly hate him.

Labour won’t win the next election, people outside twitter haven’t really turned on Boris- most understand he’s got a shit hand. Labour will tear itself to pieces within the next 4 years, and the tories haven’t made an effort to ‘go for them’ yet.

[eldanielfire]

Nah.......Gove pulling the strings

I suppose Johnson knows how to use his popularity and knows to have the right sort of smart people around him to get things done.

His popularity is on the wane by the looks both inside and outside his party
His "strength" is playing to a live audience either in the house, at party functions or on the stump when he can get a reaction to his nblustering, bombastic style
So far his choice of the "right people" has been very poor

Of course it is. Half the population think we should never have gone down lockdown and erosion of liberty route, the other think we should never go out again and Boris has blood on his hands. Nobody is going to be happy. when it comes to the crunch, people will weigh up whether they would prefer him or a labour candidate and go for him. The Tories may be ruthless but he gave them a massive majority which nobody else would have delivered. I'm not sure Rishi will want the chalice, I'd give him a month before everybody turned on him.

The right wing press always hammered lockdown but poll after poll showed strong public support for lockdown. Not this bogus 50% you suggest.

To be fair I don't think he means literally 50%. He means more that they is a significant number in both camps and the polls support that. Even with 70% supportive, 30% of the UK is a lot of people.

[eldanielfire]

He was always going when Brexit is resolved- I’d imagine he was originally off with Cummings in January , now he’ll probably have to stay until the vaccine rolls out.

Really? I thought he had a lifetime of want to be PM. I doubt he'll quit after a year.

I doubt it’s lived up to his expectations, he was always going to ‘get Brexit done’ and leave a hero before it got tricky. The gods clearly hate him.

Labour won’t win the next election, people outside twitter haven’t really turned on Boris- most understand he’s got a shit hand. Labour will tear itself to pieces within the next 4 years, and the tories haven’t made an effort to ‘go for them’ yet.

Yeah, while online opinion is sharper, most feel Boris/any leader has had a hard time in COVID. I suspect Boris will want to see out his PM era with his promises on the North being put into action. Likewise he probably just wants COVID to be gone and thinks the rest of his time in Number 10 can only get easier.

[DragsterDriver]

He was always going when Brexit is resolved- I’d imagine he was originally off with Cummings in January , now he’ll probably have to stay until the vaccine rolls out.

Really? I thought he had a lifetime of want to be PM. I doubt he'll quit after a year.

I doubt it’s lived up to his expectations, he was always going to ‘get Brexit done’ and leave a hero before it got tricky. The gods clearly hate him.

Labour won’t win the next election, people outside twitter haven’t really turned on Boris- most understand he’s got a shit hand. Labour will tear itself to pieces within the next 4 years, and the tories haven’t made an effort to ‘go for them’ yet.

Yeah, while online opinion is sharper, most feel Boris/any leader has had a hard time in COVID. I suspect Boris will want to see out his PM era with his promises on the North being put into action. Likewise he probably just wants COVID to be gone and thinks the rest of his time in Number 10 can only get easier.

How could it get worse? He’s no lucky general this time. If the vaccine rolls out he may get a huge “dead pensioner bounce”. Who knows.

[message #2527204]

What's the spread regionally? Do londoners support it as much as the Scots?

No idea. I imagine it was a quickly commissioned poll rather than a comprehensive opinion study. It can be found here:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/ar ... _4_support

Yougov do daily polls of hundreds of thousands through their app., as well as the commissioned ones. This one apppeared on the app last night after tier 4 was announced.
The scot mainly either support or don't care.

[Fruit and Nutt]

People have consistently underestimated Johnson. I'm not saying he's a good PM or even a competent one but it's difficult to argue that he doesn't know how to play the political game.

Nah.......Gove pulling the strings

I suppose Johnson knows how to use his popularity and knows to have the right sort of smart people around him to get things done.

His popularity is on the wane by the looks both inside and outside his party
His "strength" is playing to a live audience either in the house, at party functions or on the stump when he can get a reaction to his nblustering, bombastic style
So far his choice of the "right people" has been very poor

I don't think any UK PM regardless of party, appearance, background or gender would get through 2020 without attracting loads of personal criticism and political opprobrium.

If we're being honest with ourselves, the UK public haven't exactly covered themselves in glory either. Blaming somebody else is simply easier than taking personal responsibility.

[eldanielfire]

People have consistently underestimated Johnson. I'm not saying he's a good PM or even a competent one but it's difficult to argue that he doesn't know how to play the political game.

Nah.......Gove pulling the strings

I suppose Johnson knows how to use his popularity and knows to have the right sort of smart people around him to get things done.

His popularity is on the wane by the looks both inside and outside his party
His "strength" is playing to a live audience either in the house, at party functions or on the stump when he can get a reaction to his nblustering, bombastic style
So far his choice of the "right people" has been very poor

I don't think any UK PM regardless of party, appearance, background or gender would get through 2020 without attracting loads of personal criticism and political opprobrium.

If we're being honest with ourselves, the UK public haven't exactly covered themselves in glory either. Blaming somebody else is simply easier than taking personal responsibility.

I agree. As I said even Merkel and the German government are now constantly being slammed for Corona Virus failings. And we considered their response to be a good one. All/most european governments are getting it in the shitter for the pandemic even though many factors are out of their control. And the biggest factor at the moment is a lack of population adherence in Europe.

As even vocal Government media critics Kay Burley and Beth Rigby show, we always think it's fine to not comply when it's something we want or desire.

[RodneyRegis]

Nah.......Gove pulling the strings

I suppose Johnson knows how to use his popularity and knows to have the right sort of smart people around him to get things done.

His popularity is on the wane by the looks both inside and outside his party
His "strength" is playing to a live audience either in the house, at party functions or on the stump when he can get a reaction to his nblustering, bombastic style
So far his choice of the "right people" has been very poor

Of course it is. Half the population think we should never have gone down lockdown and erosion of liberty route, the other think we should never go out again and Boris has blood on his hands. Nobody is going to be happy. when it comes to the crunch, people will weigh up whether they would prefer him or a labour candidate and go for him. The Tories may be ruthless but he gave them a massive majority which nobody else would have delivered. I'm not sure Rishi will want the chalice, I'd give him a month before everybody turned on him.

The right wing press always hammered lockdown but poll after poll showed strong public support for lockdown. Not this bogus 50% you suggest.

I didn't suggest 50%, half and half here was not supposed to be statistical.

If 75% support the measures then why would Boris resign? Yes Twitter are up in arms, but they would be wouldn't they?

[Anonymous 1]

I suppose Johnson knows how to use his popularity and knows to have the right sort of smart people around him to get things done.

His popularity is on the wane by the looks both inside and outside his party
His "strength" is playing to a live audience either in the house, at party functions or on the stump when he can get a reaction to his nblustering, bombastic style
So far his choice of the "right people" has been very poor

Of course it is. Half the population think we should never have gone down lockdown and erosion of liberty route, the other think we should never go out again and Boris has blood on his hands. Nobody is going to be happy. when it comes to the crunch, people will weigh up whether they would prefer him or a labour candidate and go for him. The Tories may be ruthless but he gave them a massive majority which nobody else would have delivered. I'm not sure Rishi will want the chalice, I'd give him a month before everybody turned on him.

The right wing press always hammered lockdown but poll after poll showed strong public support for lockdown. Not this bogus 50% you suggest.

I didn't suggest 50%, half and half here was not supposed to be statistical.

If 75% support the measures then why would Boris resign? Yes Twitter are up in arms, but they would be wouldn't they?

[RodneyRegis]

Bravo

[Anonymous 1]

Bravo

When you say half the population obviously you mean around 50%. You are only changing your tune because you got challenged on the bogus figure you plucked out of your arse.

[C69]

Why would twitter be up in arms?
I don't have Twitter btw.

And yeah you do know that half is 50%.

[RodneyRegis]

Why would twitter be up in arms?
I don't have Twitter btw

Because it's a lefty stronghold.

[RodneyRegis]

Bravo

When you say half the population obviously you mean around 50%. You are only changing your tune because you got challenged on the bogus figure you plucked out of your arse.

You can snigger all you want, but in the comments above you got mansplained.

[C69]

Why would twitter be up in arms?
I don't have Twitter btw

Because it's a lefty stronghold.

Is it?
Tbh on here I've not seen any left wing posters froth as much as you and EDF et al do about twitter.