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Sonny Blount wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:17 pm
C69 wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:15 pm 1987
2007
1995
2019
1991
1999
2015
2011
2003
I can't tell which order this list is in
1987 best, 2003 the worst obviously.
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Best to worst
1995 - Lomu vs the SA tackling machine. Overtime, SA again on the RWC, Mandela, sickness, drama and more :thumbup:
2003 - Eng has chirurgical against a powerful Aus team that never stopped fighting :nod:
2011 - Fra gave a big scare to NZ. Dusatoir in god mode, and some NZders completely lost in the field under pressure. McCaw in one foot, Kaino and the 4th fly half saving the show. :shock:
2015 - Great rugby by NZ against a solid rival :smug:
1999 - The second best team in history, that obliterated its opposition :twisted:
1991* :?:
2007 - Interesting moments in the beginning, and then a bit of a tedious arm-wrestle :|
1987 - NZ's training run :((
2019 - SA rolling over a tired Eng. I expected much more after Eng erasing NZ from the pitch. x(


*1991: I only saw some highlights.
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1999 and 2019 are equivalent as on both occasions, the losing finalist had drained themselves in their upset wins vs New Zealand one week before and simply couldn't get themselves right for the final

so both are pretty low-ranked finals IMO as the hype going into it with NZ being knocked out was underwhelmed by the no-show of the losing finalist
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Luciano wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:25 pm Best to worst
1995 - Lomu vs the SA tackling machine. Overtime, SA again on the RWC, Mandela, sickness, drama and more :thumbup:
2003 - Eng has chirurgical against a powerful Aus team that never stopped fighting :nod:
2011 - Fra gave a big scare to NZ. Dusatoir in god mode, and some NZders completely lost in the field under pressure. McCaw in one foot, Kaino and the 4th fly half saving the show. :shock:
2015 - Great rugby by NZ against a solid rival :smug:
1999 - The second best team in history, that obliterated its opposition :twisted:
1991* :?:
2007 - Interesting moments in the beginning, and then a bit of a tedious arm-wrestle :|
1987 - NZ's training run :((
2019 - SA rolling over a tired Eng. I expected much more after Eng erasing NZ from the pitch. x(


*1991: I only saw some highlights.
England may have been disappointing in 2019, but SA were clinical and expansive at times. No RWC should be ranked behind 2007, IMHO.
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openclashXX wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:05 am 1999 and 2019 are equivalent as on both occasions, the losing finalist had drained themselves in their upset wins vs New Zealand one week before and simply couldn't get themselves right for the final

so both are pretty low-ranked finals IMO as the hype going into it with NZ being knocked out was underwhelmed by the no-show of the losing finalist
Was it really an upset NZ lost to England in 2019? Didn't surprise me in the slightest. Clearly a team on the decline at that point.
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True Blue wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:38 am
openclashXX wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:05 am 1999 and 2019 are equivalent as on both occasions, the losing finalist had drained themselves in their upset wins vs New Zealand one week before and simply couldn't get themselves right for the final

so both are pretty low-ranked finals IMO as the hype going into it with NZ being knocked out was underwhelmed by the no-show of the losing finalist
Was it really an upset NZ lost to England in 2019? Didn't surprise me in the slightest. Clearly a team on the decline at that point.
Yeah, but England wasn't that great either. I mean, they didn't score a point vs France. They may as well have not even shown up for that one.
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LandOTurk wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:28 am No doubt easier for those of us who have never won a RWC.

But (if you can set aside patriotism), what have been the best RWC Finals in terms of quality and/or excitement. All took place during my adulthood.

The 9 finals to date. Rank them all in order.

1987 New Zealand 29–9 France
1991 Australia 12–6 England
1995 South Africa 15–12 New Zealand
1999 Australia 35–12 France
2003 England 20–17 Australia
2007 South Africa 15–6 England
2011 New Zealand 8–7 France
2015 New Zealand 34–17 Australia
2019 South Africa 32–12 England
1: 2015.
2: 1987.
3: 2011.
4: equal 1991, 1995, 1999, 2007, 2019, 2003.
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obelixtim wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:59 am
LandOTurk wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:28 am No doubt easier for those of us who have never won a RWC.

But (if you can set aside patriotism), what have been the best RWC Finals in terms of quality and/or excitement. All took place during my adulthood.

The 9 finals to date. Rank them all in order.

1987 New Zealand 29–9 France
1991 Australia 12–6 England
1995 South Africa 15–12 New Zealand
1999 Australia 35–12 France
2003 England 20–17 Australia
2007 South Africa 15–6 England
2011 New Zealand 8–7 France
2015 New Zealand 34–17 Australia
2019 South Africa 32–12 England
1: 2015.
2: 1987.
3: 2011.
4: equal 1991, 1995, 1999, 2007, 2019, 2003.
:lol: 2007 is still a distant last.
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Thomas wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:05 am 1995 and 2003 finals were top notch.

After that I'd have the 1991 (people forget how close that match actually was) and 2011 finals. The 2015, 1999 and 2019 finals all had an air of inevitability about them. The teams who won didn't look like losing at all.

The 2007 and 1987 finals come a solid last. One was between the two dullest teams in the competition and the other was a training run for the All Blacks.
I agree that the RWC final of 2007 was probably the worst in history for a neutral, but SA were not a dull team in 2007. They scored the second most tries in the tournament and their wing was the IRB player of the year and scored the most tries in RWC 2007. I think that your confirmation bias, coupled with the boring final, has dulled your rationale.
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Jay Cee Gee wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:43 am
True Blue wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:38 am
openclashXX wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:05 am 1999 and 2019 are equivalent as on both occasions, the losing finalist had drained themselves in their upset wins vs New Zealand one week before and simply couldn't get themselves right for the final

so both are pretty low-ranked finals IMO as the hype going into it with NZ being knocked out was underwhelmed by the no-show of the losing finalist
Was it really an upset NZ lost to England in 2019? Didn't surprise me in the slightest. Clearly a team on the decline at that point.
Yeah, but England wasn't that great either. I mean, they didn't score a point vs France. They may as well have not even shown up for that one.
Tbh they effectively did't show up in the final either.
SA played their final the game before.
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mr bungle wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:15 am
Luciano wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:25 pm Best to worst
1995 - Lomu vs the SA tackling machine. Overtime, SA again on the RWC, Mandela, sickness, drama and more :thumbup:
2003 - Eng has chirurgical against a powerful Aus team that never stopped fighting :nod:
2011 - Fra gave a big scare to NZ. Dusatoir in god mode, and some NZders completely lost in the field under pressure. McCaw in one foot, Kaino and the 4th fly half saving the show. :shock:
2015 - Great rugby by NZ against a solid rival :smug:
1999 - The second best team in history, that obliterated its opposition :twisted:
1991* :?:
2007 - Interesting moments in the beginning, and then a bit of a tedious arm-wrestle :|
1987 - NZ's training run :((
2019 - SA rolling over a tired Eng. I expected much more after Eng erasing NZ from the pitch. x(


*1991: I only saw some highlights.
England may have been disappointing in 2019, but SA were clinical and expansive at times. No RWC should be ranked behind 2007, IMHO.
2019 was quite one-sided, and that is what it makes it the worst for me. 2007 was more competitive at least. :D
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Vleis wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:05 pm
Thomas wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:05 am 1995 and 2003 finals were top notch.

After that I'd have the 1991 (people forget how close that match actually was) and 2011 finals. The 2015, 1999 and 2019 finals all had an air of inevitability about them. The teams who won didn't look like losing at all.

The 2007 and 1987 finals come a solid last. One was between the two dullest teams in the competition and the other was a training run for the All Blacks.
I agree that the RWC final of 2007 was probably the worst in history for a neutral, but SA were not a dull team in 2007. They scored the second most tries in the tournament and their wing was the IRB player of the year and scored the most tries in RWC 2007. I think that your confirmation bias, coupled with the boring final, has dulled your rationale.
You were in a pool with Samoa, Tonga and the USA and your quarter final was against Fiji and the semi was against Argentina. Of course you scored tries. Every single match you played apart from 1 pool match and the final were against Tier 2 teams.

The tournament was a dream run for your team who were as dull as dishwater.
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Thomas wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:12 pm
Vleis wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:05 pm
Thomas wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:05 am 1995 and 2003 finals were top notch.

After that I'd have the 1991 (people forget how close that match actually was) and 2011 finals. The 2015, 1999 and 2019 finals all had an air of inevitability about them. The teams who won didn't look like losing at all.

The 2007 and 1987 finals come a solid last. One was between the two dullest teams in the competition and the other was a training run for the All Blacks.
I agree that the RWC final of 2007 was probably the worst in history for a neutral, but SA were not a dull team in 2007. They scored the second most tries in the tournament and their wing was the IRB player of the year and scored the most tries in RWC 2007. I think that your confirmation bias, coupled with the boring final, has dulled your rationale.
You were in a pool with Samoa, Tonga and the USA and your quarter final was against Fiji and the semi was against Argentina. Of course you scored tries. Every single match you played apart from 1 pool match and the final were against Tier 2 teams.

The tournament was a dream run for your team who were as dull as dishwater.
hmmm...SA scored 5 tries in the Q/F and four in the S/F but they were dull? Hokaaay.

Using your sub-standard logic, only Eng, SA, Aus, NZ and France were "worthy" opponents in the knockout stage...but SA and England were dull, so that leaves NZ, France and Oz; however:
- Oz scored one try in a losing cause against England, which is dreadfully dull.
- NZ scored two tries in a losing cause against France, but "unworthy" Argentina scored five tries against the same oppo 13 days later
- France scored only three tries in three games in the knockout stage, including a loss to "unworthy" Argentina....so that rules them out.

I guess that SA was the least dull of a very dull bunch of teams? :lol: :lol: :roll:
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Flametop wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:19 pm Shameless attempt but destined to be futile attempt to stop a thread being Irished.
Perhaps if we called it

Rank your Countries RWC quarter final loss?
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C69 wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:27 pm
Flametop wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:19 pm Shameless attempt but destined to be futile attempt to stop a thread being Irished.
Perhaps if we called it

Rank your Countries RWC quarter final loss?
I cherish them all equally other than the times we didn’t qualify from the pool stages.
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Flametop wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:32 pm
C69 wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:27 pm
Flametop wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:19 pm Shameless attempt but destined to be futile attempt to stop a thread being Irished.
Perhaps if we called it

Rank your Countries RWC quarter final loss?
I cherish them all equally other than the times we didn’t qualify from the pool stages.
I feel the same, obviously about the 2 occassions we did not win our match and get to the final.

The Irish in life as in Sport can only dream or aspire even to a semi.
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Sa was banned from watching '87 nz and also 91
so never saw them
1. 1995
2. 2003
3. 2019
4. 2015
5. 2011
6. 2007
7. 1999
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C69 wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:35 pm
Flametop wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:32 pm
C69 wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:27 pm
Flametop wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:19 pm Shameless attempt but destined to be futile attempt to stop a thread being Irished.
Perhaps if we called it

Rank your Countries RWC quarter final loss?
I cherish them all equally other than the times we didn’t qualify from the pool stages.
I feel the same, obviously about the 2 occassions we did not win our match and get to the final.

The Irish in life as in Sport can only dream or aspire even to a semi.
Here’s an Irishman with no problems getting it the whole way up.

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Flametop wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:39 pm
C69 wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:35 pm
Flametop wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:32 pm
C69 wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:27 pm
Flametop wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:19 pm Shameless attempt but destined to be futile attempt to stop a thread being Irished.
Perhaps if we called it

Rank your Countries RWC quarter final loss?
I cherish them all equally other than the times we didn’t qualify from the pool stages.
I feel the same, obviously about the 2 occassions we did not win our match and get to the final.

The Irish in life as in Sport can only dream or aspire even to a semi.
Here’s an Irishman with no problems getting it the whole way up.

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Of the 4 I've seen

1st for drama - 2011
1st for enjoying the game and watching good rugby - 2015

3rd - 2019
4th - 2007 (England x( )

I have seen 1995 but it wasn't watching same day not knowing result like the above.
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True Blue wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:38 am
openclashXX wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:05 am 1999 and 2019 are equivalent as on both occasions, the losing finalist had drained themselves in their upset wins vs New Zealand one week before and simply couldn't get themselves right for the final

so both are pretty low-ranked finals IMO as the hype going into it with NZ being knocked out was underwhelmed by the no-show of the losing finalist
Was it really an upset NZ lost to England in 2019? Didn't surprise me in the slightest. Clearly a team on the decline at that point.
Before the game I had it 66%/33% in NZs favour. I still think that is about right - a 33% chance of something happening is still massive.

Yes New Zealand were completely outplayed but there is usually a 10 minute period in any game where the All Blacks just blitzkrieg in 2 tries and the opposition can't fight back with 3 pointers. Effectively what happened in the pool game v SA where the All Blacks were completely outplayed in the first 20 minutes.

New Zealand are usually ruthless at converting half a sniff from an opposition mistake 70m down the the field - this just didn't happen in the semi.
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Be a good idea to setup a thread with a time and day and watch the games "live" as a group.
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Flyin Ryan wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:25 pm Be a good idea to setup a thread with a time and day and watch the games "live" as a group.
That would be amazing. Watch one a week for 9 weeks. Mark everyone out of 10 and have a leaderboard.
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1. 2011 An incredible match I've watched a number of times because I'm still not certain the right team won.
2. 2019
3. 1991 An absorbing match.
4. 1995
5. 2015 There were tries.
6. 1999 Everyone remembers the s.f. But the Wallabies were a great great team and would have won the WE in any event.
7. 1987 Played outside on what looked like a beautiful day.
8. 2003 Oh well.
9. 2007 The Boks year probably anyway but England did well to actually get there.
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Vleis wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:23 pm
Thomas wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:12 pm
Vleis wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:05 pm
Thomas wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:05 am 1995 and 2003 finals were top notch.

After that I'd have the 1991 (people forget how close that match actually was) and 2011 finals. The 2015, 1999 and 2019 finals all had an air of inevitability about them. The teams who won didn't look like losing at all.

The 2007 and 1987 finals come a solid last. One was between the two dullest teams in the competition and the other was a training run for the All Blacks.
I agree that the RWC final of 2007 was probably the worst in history for a neutral, but SA were not a dull team in 2007. They scored the second most tries in the tournament and their wing was the IRB player of the year and scored the most tries in RWC 2007. I think that your confirmation bias, coupled with the boring final, has dulled your rationale.
You were in a pool with Samoa, Tonga and the USA and your quarter final was against Fiji and the semi was against Argentina. Of course you scored tries. Every single match you played apart from 1 pool match and the final were against Tier 2 teams.

The tournament was a dream run for your team who were as dull as dishwater.
hmmm...SA scored 5 tries in the Q/F and four in the S/F but they were dull? Hokaaay.

Using your sub-standard logic, only Eng, SA, Aus, NZ and France were "worthy" opponents in the knockout stage...but SA and England were dull, so that leaves NZ, France and Oz; however:
- Oz scored one try in a losing cause against England, which is dreadfully dull.
- NZ scored two tries in a losing cause against France, but "unworthy" Argentina scored five tries against the same oppo 13 days later
- France scored only three tries in three games in the knockout stage, including a loss to "unworthy" Argentina....so that rules them out.

I guess that SA was the least dull of a very dull bunch of teams? :lol: :lol: :roll:
I mean, if you find flogging sub-standard teams made up of journeymen to be enjoyable, then good on you.
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I can't rate these matches without bias. Any match NZ is in has extra excitement for me.

2011 is basically one of the most tense exciting games I've ever witnessed.

1987 is watching a great team pull apart highly rated opposition in a clinical way in a one sided match we'll probably never see again.

2015 as others have mentioned was actually a pretty close game despite the final score.

1995 is just an annoyance to me now, yes it was probably the best result for the game, and yes the Boks played superbly to shut Lomu down but in the end it was drop kicks from everywhere for half an hour ... and there's the not sick what if.

I don't think there were other finals. ;)

Nah of the non NZ ones I enjoyed watching the 1991 final as that was a good Oz team and Eng were at their most hateable. 1999 France were never really in it. 2003 I was watching it but drunk and have never rewatched. 2007 I can't remember. 2019 was enjoyable seeing the transformed Boks beat England as it pissed off the English and I know the quota whiner Saffa fans were only half happy.
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If I was being honest about my own personal enjoyment, I'd have 2011/2015 at the top but to try and rank it semi-objectively :

2003 - Had everything, great atmosphere, extra time, the drop goal and the exclamation point on a great but fading England team, much like NZ in 2015. The sort of matches that great teams write themselves into the history books with.

1995 - The theatre of it puts it up there for me, Jonah at his most freakish, huge hostile crowd, bitter enemies, extra time and another drop f**king goal, Nelson Mandela/Matt Damon etc.

2011 - Again the drama of it all, NZ unbackable favourites at home, but so close to another heartbreaking choke to their RWC nemesis under intense pressure. Huge injury problems, Mils getting ruled out, the horror of Dan Carter going down injured, his backups Slade and Cruden then also going down leaving our 4th string flyhalf, Donald getting his SOS callback and squeezing into his AB top to kick the match-winning penalty, McCaw proving his legendary status limping over the finish line on one leg, Graham Henry getting his redemption for 2007, an incredible lifting of a dark, dark cloud over a whole nation capped off with the delicious tears of The Neutrals. I came.

2015 - Bit of as biased one maybe, but it was objectively one of the more entertaining finals, and a fitting end to the greatest AB era of all time IMO. Masterclass from Carter filling the one gap in his career, fitting farewell to Nonu, and McCaw's perfect last hurrah signing off as the GOAT.

1987 - Celebration of rugby and the start of it all. Entertaining, if one-sided final. Some all time greats in action, Blanco, Sella, M.Jones, Kirwan, Buck Shelford, Fitzpatrick etc.

1999 - Great Wallaby team at their peak, bit of a dud final though in terms of competition as the Wobbs dominated a French team who had clearly blown their wad in previous game.

2019 - Predictable, weird crowd atmosphere, SA had already lost to NZ early in the tournament and England vs SA are always a bit mild. Pretty forgettable.

1991 - Wallabies were a bit of a shoe-in but made it tough for themselves. Close, shite game.

2007 - Dire
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I don't think I ranked them before so...

1995 - Painful but a great game with a lot on the line
2011 - Injury ravaged NZ squeak over the line
2003 - England hanging on under pressure
2015 - Just an enjoyable game to watch, more open than most finals
1999 - Australia at their all time peak - a genuine great team
1991 - Another strong Aussie team that were shaded by the 99 vintage
1987 - One sided but some greats on display and a day game.
2019 - No team really dominated that tournament and the final showed that
2007 - SA managed to win a WC without playing a tier 1 team until the final. Not their fault but enough said. The game was dire also.
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RoscoPColtrain wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:25 am If I was being honest about my own personal enjoyment, I'd have 2011/2015 at the top but to try and rank it semi-objectively :

2003 - Had everything, great atmosphere, extra time, the drop goal and the exclamation point on a great but fading England team, much like NZ in 2015. The sort of matches that great teams write themselves into the history books with.

1995 - The theatre of it puts it up there for me, Jonah at his most freakish, huge hostile crowd, bitter enemies, extra time and another drop f**king goal, Nelson Mandela/Matt Damon etc.

2011 - Again the drama of it all, NZ unbackable favourites at home, but so close to another heartbreaking choke to their RWC nemesis under intense pressure. Huge injury problems, Mils getting ruled out, the horror of Dan Carter going down injured, his backups Slade and Cruden then also going down leaving our 4th string flyhalf, Donald getting his SOS callback and squeezing into his AB top to kick the match-winning penalty, McCaw proving his legendary status limping over the finish line on one leg, Graham Henry getting his redemption for 2007, an incredible lifting of a dark, dark cloud over a whole nation capped off with the delicious tears of The Neutrals. I came.

2015 - Bit of as biased one maybe, but it was objectively one of the more entertaining finals, and a fitting end to the greatest AB era of all time IMO. Masterclass from Carter filling the one gap in his career, fitting farewell to Nonu, and McCaw's perfect last hurrah signing off as the GOAT.

1987 - Celebration of rugby and the start of it all. Entertaining, if one-sided final. Some all time greats in action, Blanco, Sella, M.Jones, Kirwan, Buck Shelford, Fitzpatrick etc.

1999 - Great Wallaby team at their peak, bit of a dud final though in terms of competition as the Wobbs dominated a French team who had clearly blown their wad in previous game.

2019 - Predictable, weird crowd atmosphere, SA had already lost to NZ early in the tournament and England vs SA are always a bit mild. Pretty forgettable.

1991 - Wallabies were a bit of a shoe-in but made it tough for themselves. Close, shite game.

2007 - Dire

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True Blue wrote: Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:07 pm 2007 - SA managed to win a WC without playing a tier 1 team until the final. Not their fault but enough said. The game was dire also.
Except the same Tier 1 team in the pools of course
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2003 easily the best, I’m biased of course. 95 a close second.
I wouldn’t say 2007 was any worse than the ‘inevitable’ ones where the opposition (usually France ) just didn’t rock up on the day.

In terms of shit rugby, a lot of semis have been turd sandwiches , 91 v Scotland is famous only for Gavin Hastings shitting the bed

Sexy rugby is in the quarters (aka Irish finals)
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Cartman wrote: Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:31 pm
True Blue wrote: Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:07 pm 2007 - SA managed to win a WC without playing a tier 1 team until the final. Not their fault but enough said. The game was dire also.
Except the same Tier 1 team in the pools of course
Was Argentina not considered Tier 1 at that time? They topped the pool by beating the hosts at any rate.

You guys cop so much shit for that cup run. Apparently though it would have been legit if the Boks had beaten Wales (who weren't even good enough to beat Fiji) and Scotland (who weren't good enough to beat Argentina in the quarters and generally sucked balls at that time -- they lost by 20 to Italy at Murrayfield earlier that year).
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2007 was a boring soccer match, but it rankles Kiwis because it was supposed to be the end of their long, barren run and they choked again.

So really it was klarse.
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fonzeee wrote: Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:18 pm
Cartman wrote: Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:31 pm
True Blue wrote: Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:07 pm 2007 - SA managed to win a WC without playing a tier 1 team until the final. Not their fault but enough said. The game was dire also.
Except the same Tier 1 team in the pools of course
Was Argentina not considered Tier 1 at that time? They topped the pool by beating the hosts at any rate.

You guys cop so much shit for that cup run. Apparently though it would have been legit if the Boks had beaten Wales (who weren't even good enough to beat Fiji) and Scotland (who weren't good enough to beat Argentina in the quarters and generally sucked balls at that time -- they lost by 20 to Italy at Murrayfield earlier that year).
That was an excellent Puma side
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UncleFB wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 6:41 am 1987 is watching a great team pull apart highly rated opposition in a clinical way in a one sided match we'll probably never see again.
2019? I guess you can say it wasn't one-sided, but the Boks were very clinical dismantling England.
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Flyin Ryan wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:14 am
UncleFB wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 6:41 am 1987 is watching a great team pull apart highly rated opposition in a clinical way in a one sided match we'll probably never see again.
2019? I guess you can say it wasn't one-sided, but the Boks were very clinical dismantling England.
In 1987 there was only one pro team as well. New Zealand. Light years ahead in fitness. In comparison, after beating England in one of the worst RWC QFs in history, Welsh preparation for the upcoming SF against the ABs, was to bump into England footy captain Brian Robson, and go on a proper 3 day bender, or as it is known in Welsh parlance - a Mikey Rayer.
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LandOTurk wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:43 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:14 am
UncleFB wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 6:41 am 1987 is watching a great team pull apart highly rated opposition in a clinical way in a one sided match we'll probably never see again.
2019? I guess you can say it wasn't one-sided, but the Boks were very clinical dismantling England.
In 1987 there was only one pro team as well. New Zealand. Light years ahead in fitness. In comparison, after beating England in one of the worst RWC QFs in history, Welsh preparation for the upcoming SF against the ABs, was to bump into England footy captain Brian Robson, and go on a proper 3 day bender, or as it is known in Welsh parlance - a Mikey Rayer.
But funnily enough our players would shift to the north to play professional rugby during that period
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I doubt there were any other pro teams in the '87 WC than nz
nz were payed $100 000 per player and daily allowances in '86 in sa

Only 2 players of the '85 officialy picked AB team to sa, a tour that was canceled did not go.
The '86 team got a 2 tests ban after the tour. That ended some senior player's career. More than half of the '86 pro team to sa played in the '87 WC.

. https://nzhistory.govt.nz/media/photo/c ... -tour-1985
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there were a number of saffas playing pro club rugby [union] in the NH in the 80's
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