Is it time to ditch the trans-Tasman partnership?

[Muttonbirds]

With Australia becoming more isolationist in general. With their marriage to coal and Trump. With their policy of exporting crime, is it time for New Zealand to cut ties with the lucky country?

This prison riot at Waikeria is the latest in a long line of increased crime events in New Zealand due to Australian government extradition policy. We are a small country and cannot handle receiving crime, the proceeds of crime, and the marketing of crime from Australia in such volume.

Forget travel bubbles. Is it time fo the New Zealand government to take a stand and officially treat Australia as a totally foreign country?

[Zakar]

Kiwis commit crime in Australia and you're butthurt when we send your criminals back to you.

[Clogs]

Kiwis commit crime in Australia and you're butthurt when we send your criminals back to you.

They only become criminals when they come here.

There would be no need for jails in New Zealand if it wasn't for Australia returning those that have learnt criminal ways over here.

[Muttonbirds]

Kiwis commit crime in Australia and you're butthurt when we send your criminals back to you.

They only become criminals when they come here.

There would be no need for jails in New Zealand if it wasn't for Australia returning those that have learnt criminal ways over here.

Probably one of the best posts you've ever made. Even though you are not from either country in question.

If it is a case they are criminals before they enter Australia, why isn't there a provision for Australia to refuse them entry.

One of the points of my post...

...truth is Australia gets a lot of cheap labour from these criminals.

[towny]

With Australia becoming more isolationist in general. With their marriage to coal and Trump. With their policy of exporting crime, is it time for New Zealand to cut ties with the lucky country?

This prison riot at Waikeria is the latest in a long line of increased crime events in New Zealand due to Australian government extradition policy. We are a small country and cannot handle receiving crime, the proceeds of crime, and the marketing of crime from Australia in such volume.

Forget travel bubbles. Is it time fo the New Zealand government to take a stand and officially treat Australia as a totally foreign country?

Cool. I agree. Do it.

[Muttonbirds]

With Australia becoming more isolationist in general. With their marriage to coal and Trump. With their policy of exporting crime, is it time for New Zealand to cut ties with the lucky country?

This prison riot at Waikeria is the latest in a long line of increased crime events in New Zealand due to Australian government extradition policy. We are a small country and cannot handle receiving crime, the proceeds of crime, and the marketing of crime from Australia in such volume.

Forget travel bubbles. Is it time fo the New Zealand government to take a stand and officially treat Australia as a totally foreign country?

Cool. I agree. Do it.

But where else are you going to get a 600,000 strong labour force which you can treat like shit?

[JB1981]

Practically what are you suggesting and how would this change anything? Criminals will still be deported. Is all you are looking to achieve making it harder for NZers to go to Australia if they choose? What is your logic here?

[towny]

With Australia becoming more isolationist in general. With their marriage to coal and Trump. With their policy of exporting crime, is it time for New Zealand to cut ties with the lucky country?

This prison riot at Waikeria is the latest in a long line of increased crime events in New Zealand due to Australian government extradition policy. We are a small country and cannot handle receiving crime, the proceeds of crime, and the marketing of crime from Australia in such volume.

Forget travel bubbles. Is it time fo the New Zealand government to take a stand and officially treat Australia as a totally foreign country?

Cool. I agree. Do it.

But where else are you going to get a 600,000 strong labour force which you can treat like shit?

Let us worry about that. Off you go.

[Muttonbirds]

Practically what are you suggesting and how would this change anything? Criminals will still be deported. Is all you are looking to achieve making it harder for NZers to go to Australia if they choose? What is your logic here?

The status quo is not working for us. It's a looming disaster because there is no end to their policy. They will export whatever crime they can.

Why should New Zealanders be free to go to Australia if they choose? It's just another country and they are beginning to treat us as a rubbish dump for they own failures.

Even after Covid, the border needs to be applied visa only both ways. That way they can vet all the criminals trying to get to the Gold Coast.

[Muttonbirds]

With Australia becoming more isolationist in general. With their marriage to coal and Trump. With their policy of exporting crime, is it time for New Zealand to cut ties with the lucky country?

This prison riot at Waikeria is the latest in a long line of increased crime events in New Zealand due to Australian government extradition policy. We are a small country and cannot handle receiving crime, the proceeds of crime, and the marketing of crime from Australia in such volume.

Forget travel bubbles. Is it time fo the New Zealand government to take a stand and officially treat Australia as a totally foreign country?

Cool. I agree. Do it.

But where else are you going to get a 600,000 strong labour force which you can treat like shit?

Let us worry about that. Off you go.

Don't you live in Sweden by choice? It would be good if only people with skin in the game offered opinion.

[Bindi]

Towny is wrong. This would be hugely detrimental to billions of Australians for some reason if it ever came to pass. I know my life wouldn't be the same.

[towny]

With Australia becoming more isolationist in general. With their marriage to coal and Trump. With their policy of exporting crime, is it time for New Zealand to cut ties with the lucky country?

This prison riot at Waikeria is the latest in a long line of increased crime events in New Zealand due to Australian government extradition policy. We are a small country and cannot handle receiving crime, the proceeds of crime, and the marketing of crime from Australia in such volume.

Forget travel bubbles. Is it time fo the New Zealand government to take a stand and officially treat Australia as a totally foreign country?

Cool. I agree. Do it.

But where else are you going to get a 600,000 strong labour force which you can treat like shit?

Let us worry about that. Off you go.

Don't you live in Sweden by choice? It would be good if only people with skin in the game offered opinion.

So Australian citizens, who have lived in Oz most of their lives and plan on returning soon, don’t have skin in the game?

And I’m on your side ffs! I think it’s a great idea. Let’s treat kiwis like we do everyone else and restrict their work rights. That’s what you’re saying, right?

[Anonymous 1]

Kiwis commit crime in Australia and you're butthurt when we send your criminals back to you.

you guys deport people to new zealand even if they have never been there

[towny]

Kiwis commit crime in Australia and you're butthurt when we send your criminals back to you.

you guys deport people to new zealand even if they have never been there

So? Love it or leave mofos. And don’t rob people unless you’re a citizen.

How hard is that to understand?

[JB1981]

Practically what are you suggesting and how would this change anything? Criminals will still be deported. Is all you are looking to achieve making it harder for NZers to go to Australia if they choose? What is your logic here?

The status quo is not working for us. It's a looming disaster because there is no end to their policy. They will export whatever crime they can.

Why should New Zealanders be free to go to Australia if they choose? It's just another country and they are beginning to treat us as a rubbish dump for they own failures.

Even after Covid, the border needs to be applied visa only both ways. That way they can vet all the criminals trying to get to the Gold Coast.

Vetting/Visa requirements do seem to apply:

New Zealand citizens planning to travel, live, or work in Australia, who have criminal convictions, must get written confirmation that they will be allowed to enter Australia from the Australian Department of Home Affairs before traveling. You may also be required to apply for a specific visa.

In the OP you asked whether it was time for NZ to cut ties with Australia but if you are asking why NZers should be free to go to Australia and talk about vetting NZ criminals trying to get to the Gold Coast, aren’t you asking whether Australia should cut ties with us?

[grievous]

Kiwis commit crime in Australia and you're butthurt when we send your criminals back to you.

you guys deport people to new zealand even if they have never been there

Anon shows his grasp of adult discussions yet again.
Just stick to trolling buddy.

[Muttonbirds]

Cool. I agree. Do it.

But where else are you going to get a 600,000 strong labour force which you can treat like shit?

Let us worry about that. Off you go.

Don't you live in Sweden by choice? It would be good if only people with skin in the game offered opinion.

So Australian citizens, who have lived in Oz most of their lives and plan on returning soon, don’t have skin in the game?

And I’m on your side ffs! I think it’s a great idea. Let’s treat kiwis like we do everyone else and restrict their work rights. That’s what you’re saying, right?

All good. You will have to get your cheap labour from elsewhere. I've never understood why Kiwis have propped up the Australian economy for so long while Australian businesses have raided New Zealand's limited wealth.

[towny]

But where else are you going to get a 600,000 strong labour force which you can treat like shit?

Let us worry about that. Off you go.

Don't you live in Sweden by choice? It would be good if only people with skin in the game offered opinion.

So Australian citizens, who have lived in Oz most of their lives and plan on returning soon, don’t have skin in the game?

And I’m on your side ffs! I think it’s a great idea. Let’s treat kiwis like we do everyone else and restrict their work rights. That’s what you’re saying, right?

All good. You will have to get your cheap labour from elsewhere. I've never understood why Kiwis have propped up the Australian economy for so long while Australian businesses have raided New Zealand's limited wealth.

Yep. Well get our forklift drivers from somewhere else.

[Muttonbirds]

Let us worry about that. Off you go.

Don't you live in Sweden by choice? It would be good if only people with skin in the game offered opinion.

So Australian citizens, who have lived in Oz most of their lives and plan on returning soon, don’t have skin in the game?

And I’m on your side ffs! I think it’s a great idea. Let’s treat kiwis like we do everyone else and restrict their work rights. That’s what you’re saying, right?

All good. You will have to get your cheap labour from elsewhere. I've never understood why Kiwis have propped up the Australian economy for so long while Australian businesses have raided New Zealand's limited wealth.

Yep. Well get our forklift drivers from somewhere else.

Covid central perhaps. Those guys don't care.

[towny]

Don't you live in Sweden by choice? It would be good if only people with skin in the game offered opinion.

So Australian citizens, who have lived in Oz most of their lives and plan on returning soon, don’t have skin in the game?

And I’m on your side ffs! I think it’s a great idea. Let’s treat kiwis like we do everyone else and restrict their work rights. That’s what you’re saying, right?

All good. You will have to get your cheap labour from elsewhere. I've never understood why Kiwis have propped up the Australian economy for so long while Australian businesses have raided New Zealand's limited wealth.

Yep. Well get our forklift drivers from somewhere else.

Covid central perhaps. Those guys don't care.

This wouldn’t be an issue if NZ companies paid fair wages.

[JB1981]

Kiwis commit crime in Australia and you're butthurt when we send your criminals back to you.

you guys deport people to new zealand even if they have never been there

Anon shows his grasp of adult discussions yet again.
Just stick to trolling buddy.

This has happened though hasn’t it? Someone born outside NZ who gained citizenship as a child but never came here? Admittedly that would be an exception.

[Muttonbirds]

Practically what are you suggesting and how would this change anything? Criminals will still be deported. Is all you are looking to achieve making it harder for NZers to go to Australia if they choose? What is your logic here?

The status quo is not working for us. It's a looming disaster because there is no end to their policy. They will export whatever crime they can.

Why should New Zealanders be free to go to Australia if they choose? It's just another country and they are beginning to treat us as a rubbish dump for they own failures.

Even after Covid, the border needs to be applied visa only both ways. That way they can vet all the criminals trying to get to the Gold Coast.

Vetting/Visa requirements do seem to apply:

New Zealand citizens planning to travel, live, or work in Australia, who have criminal convictions, must get written confirmation that they will be allowed to enter Australia from the Australian Department of Home Affairs before traveling. You may also be required to apply for a specific visa.

In the OP you asked whether it was time for NZ to cut ties with Australia but if you are asking why NZers should be free to go to Australia and talk about vetting NZ criminals trying to get to the Gold Coast, aren’t you asking whether Australia should cut ties with us?

Then none of the people they are now deporting were criminals when they arrived. They were trained in crime in Australia. It was ever so.

[towny]

Practically what are you suggesting and how would this change anything? Criminals will still be deported. Is all you are looking to achieve making it harder for NZers to go to Australia if they choose? What is your logic here?

The status quo is not working for us. It's a looming disaster because there is no end to their policy. They will export whatever crime they can.

Why should New Zealanders be free to go to Australia if they choose? It's just another country and they are beginning to treat us as a rubbish dump for they own failures.

Even after Covid, the border needs to be applied visa only both ways. That way they can vet all the criminals trying to get to the Gold Coast.

Vetting/Visa requirements do seem to apply:

New Zealand citizens planning to travel, live, or work in Australia, who have criminal convictions, must get written confirmation that they will be allowed to enter Australia from the Australian Department of Home Affairs before traveling. You may also be required to apply for a specific visa.

In the OP you asked whether it was time for NZ to cut ties with Australia but if you are asking why NZers should be free to go to Australia and talk about vetting NZ criminals trying to get to the Gold Coast, aren’t you asking whether Australia should cut ties with us?

Then none of the people they are now deporting were criminals when they arrived. They were trained in crime in Australia. It was ever so.

Enjoy your new, unskilled arrivals!

[JB1981]

Practically what are you suggesting and how would this change anything? Criminals will still be deported. Is all you are looking to achieve making it harder for NZers to go to Australia if they choose? What is your logic here?

The status quo is not working for us. It's a looming disaster because there is no end to their policy. They will export whatever crime they can.

Why should New Zealanders be free to go to Australia if they choose? It's just another country and they are beginning to treat us as a rubbish dump for they own failures.

Even after Covid, the border needs to be applied visa only both ways. That way they can vet all the criminals trying to get to the Gold Coast.

Vetting/Visa requirements do seem to apply:

New Zealand citizens planning to travel, live, or work in Australia, who have criminal convictions, must get written confirmation that they will be allowed to enter Australia from the Australian Department of Home Affairs before traveling. You may also be required to apply for a specific visa.

In the OP you asked whether it was time for NZ to cut ties with Australia but if you are asking why NZers should be free to go to Australia and talk about vetting NZ criminals trying to get to the Gold Coast, aren’t you asking whether Australia should cut ties with us?

Then none of the people they are now deporting were criminals when they arrived. They were trained in crime in Australia. It was ever so.

Or they got written permission to enter / the special visa.

[Muttonbirds]

So Australian citizens, who have lived in Oz most of their lives and plan on returning soon, don’t have skin in the game?

And I’m on your side ffs! I think it’s a great idea. Let’s treat kiwis like we do everyone else and restrict their work rights. That’s what you’re saying, right?

All good. You will have to get your cheap labour from elsewhere. I've never understood why Kiwis have propped up the Australian economy for so long while Australian businesses have raided New Zealand's limited wealth.

Yep. Well get our forklift drivers from somewhere else.

Covid central perhaps. Those guys don't care.

This wouldn’t be an issue if NZ companies paid fair wages.

Weird. Honest people seeking higher work opportunities in coal driven Australia suddenly fall prey to the Comancheros. What the hell is going on over there?

[Working Class Rugger]

With Australia becoming more isolationist in general. With their marriage to coal and Trump. With their policy of exporting crime, is it time for New Zealand to cut ties with the lucky country?

This prison riot at Waikeria is the latest in a long line of increased crime events in New Zealand due to Australian government extradition policy. We are a small country and cannot handle receiving crime, the proceeds of crime, and the marketing of crime from Australia in such volume.

Forget travel bubbles. Is it time fo the New Zealand government to take a stand and officially treat Australia as a totally foreign country?

What about those NZ deports back to the Islands for the exact same reasons? Namely Tonga.

https://video.vice.com/en_nz/video/depo ... 029d3b8d0b

NZ going all isolationist as well?

[Dark]

With Australia becoming more isolationist in general. With their marriage to coal and Trump. With their policy of exporting crime, is it time for New Zealand to cut ties with the lucky country?

This prison riot at Waikeria is the latest in a long line of increased crime events in New Zealand due to Australian government extradition policy. We are a small country and cannot handle receiving crime, the proceeds of crime, and the marketing of crime from Australia in such volume.

Forget travel bubbles. Is it time fo the New Zealand government to take a stand and officially treat Australia as a totally foreign country?

Hate to break it to you, but Trump isn't president anymore

[Working Class Rugger]

Let us worry about that. Off you go.

Don't you live in Sweden by choice? It would be good if only people with skin in the game offered opinion.

So Australian citizens, who have lived in Oz most of their lives and plan on returning soon, don’t have skin in the game?

And I’m on your side ffs! I think it’s a great idea. Let’s treat kiwis like we do everyone else and restrict their work rights. That’s what you’re saying, right?

All good. You will have to get your cheap labour from elsewhere. I've never understood why Kiwis have propped up the Australian economy for so long while Australian businesses have raided New Zealand's limited wealth.

Yep. Well get our forklift drivers from somewhere else.

Kind of already do. At my current place of employment most of our forklift drivers are Fijian, a mix of Middle Eastern and African with the rest being NZ/Aus.

[grievous]

Kiwis commit crime in Australia and you're butthurt when we send your criminals back to you.

you guys deport people to new zealand even if they have never been there

Anon shows his grasp of adult discussions yet again.
Just stick to trolling buddy.

This has happened though hasn’t it? Someone born outside NZ who gained citizenship as a child but never came here? Admittedly that would be an exception.

So thats all this thread is about? Im sure there is a story or two about a wronged traveller on the other side too.
Dont think many Aussies in here are proud of this governments immigration stance yet Kiwis need to stop leaning on the special treatment entitlement they think they are owed.
Otherwise NZ rely on Oz far too much economically so this is a really silly thread.

[Anonymous 1]

Kiwis commit crime in Australia and you're butthurt when we send your criminals back to you.

you guys deport people to new zealand even if they have never been there

Anon shows his grasp of adult discussions yet again.
Just stick to trolling buddy.

This has happened though hasn’t it? Someone born outside NZ who gained citizenship as a child but never came here? Admittedly that would be an exception.

And all I was doing was pointing out to Zaker that Aussie doesn't just send people back to New Zealand. It's not an exception either. I believe if you are born in the Cook Islands you get automatic kiwi citizenship and if you are deported from Australia it's straight to New Zealand
Getting attacked by Grievy even though he does not know his arse from his elbow still makes me sad

[Zakar]

Kiwis commit crime in Australia and you're butthurt when we send your criminals back to you.

you guys deport people to new zealand even if they have never been there

Anon shows his grasp of adult discussions yet again.
Just stick to trolling buddy.

This has happened though hasn’t it? Someone born outside NZ who gained citizenship as a child but never came here? Admittedly that would be an exception.

And all I was doing was pointing out to Zaker that Aussie doesn't just send people back to New Zealand. It's not an exception either. I believe if you are born in the Cook Islands you get automatic kiwi citizenship and if you are deported from Australia it's straight to New Zealand
Getting attacked by Grievy even though he does not know his arse from his elbow still makes me sad

So you think we should keep kiwi criminals in our country? Why? We also deport Armenian, Ghananian and Equitorial Guinean criminals.

[Harveys]

[Zakar]

Yeah, nah.

It's mutton, he's not trolling, he's an ardent anti Australian and believes every word he writes.

[Harveys]

Yeah, nah.

It's mutton, he's not trolling, he's an ardent anti Australian and believes every word he writes.

Just because Mutton believes his own bullshit doesn’t mean he’s not a troll / trolling.

Most on here know that.

Hang your head in shame for being the first to react.

[grievous]

Kiwis commit crime in Australia and you're butthurt when we send your criminals back to you.

you guys deport people to new zealand even if they have never been there

Anon shows his grasp of adult discussions yet again.
Just stick to trolling buddy.

This has happened though hasn’t it? Someone born outside NZ who gained citizenship as a child but never came here? Admittedly that would be an exception.

And all I was doing was pointing out to Zaker that Aussie doesn't just send people back to New Zealand. It's not an exception either. I believe if you are born in the Cook Islands you get automatic kiwi citizenship and if you are deported from Australia it's straight to New Zealand
Getting attacked by Grievy even though he does not know his arse from his elbow still makes me sad

Nonny is an Australian immigration expert now

[flaggETERNAL]

Is travel between Oz and NZ so easy because they're the only 2 white European countries in the region?


There. Just to throw some other shit in there.

[grievous]

Is travel between Oz and NZ so easy because they're the only 2 white European countries in the region?


There. Just to throw some other shit in there.

Covid wise?

[flaggETERNAL]

Is travel between Oz and NZ so easy because they're the only 2 white European countries in the region?


There. Just to throw some other shit in there.

Covid wise?

Historically.

It was a lame joke that failed hard

[Zakar]

Yeah, nah.

It's mutton, he's not trolling, he's an ardent anti Australian and believes every word he writes.

Just because Mutton believes his own bullshit doesn’t mean he’s not a troll / trolling.

Most on here know that.

Hang your head in shame for being the first to react.

If you believe what you're saying you're not a troll.

[koroke hangareka]

Kiwis commit crime in Australia and you're butthurt when we send your criminals back to you.

you guys deport people to new zealand even if they have never been there

Anon shows his grasp of adult discussions yet again.
Just stick to trolling buddy.

This has happened though hasn’t it? Someone born outside NZ who gained citizenship as a child but never came here? Admittedly that would be an exception.

So thats all this thread is about? Im sure there is a story or two about a wronged traveller on the other side too.
Dont think many Aussies in here are proud of this governments immigration stance yet Kiwis need to stop leaning on the special treatment entitlement they think they are owed.
Otherwise NZ rely on Oz far too much economically so this is a really silly thread.

MB isn't crying about wronged travellers. He's once again expressing his distaste for New Zealanders who live overseas, and his extreme nationalism.