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There is no doubt that after the events of the last week, and the last four years, the GOP will never be the same party as it was prior to Donald Trump becoming President. Not only has the GOP lost control of the White House and Senate, it has completely lost its identity. It has moved away from sensible, conservative values and embraced far right ideology and dishonest conspiracy theories. It has moved away from espousing democratic principles and embraced fascism. It was moved away from old fashioned conservatism and embraced radicalism.

Many commentators are now openly talking about a split in the GOP, between the centre right and far right, which would ultimately be hugely damaging for the party.

So what do you think the GOP should do in the next four years?

1. Do nothing. 75 million people voted for the GOP at the last Presidential election and that means that they are still very well supported. The Republicans can wait out the Biden era and then defeat Harris at the next election because perhaps Americans still aren't ready to elect a black woman from California as President?

2. Move to the right. The Trumpists need to be pandered to or the GOP risks losing them. This could split the party and destroy it as a political force. With Donald Trump no longer President, and facing years of potential court cases/litigation, the GOP needs to move to the right to retain his base of supporters and voters. Figures like Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley will be key figures in this move to the right.

3. Move to the centre. Having lost the White House and Senate in the last few months (albeit in close races) it is now time for the GOP to listen to the electorte and move to the centre. The American electorate has spoken, and a far-right, batshit crazy GOP party isn't as popular as Donald Trump had them believing. Figures like Mitt Romney will be crucial if the GOP hopes to move back to the centre right of politics.
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Seems pretty easy to just move a little more center. I mean the far right idiots will vote for them anyway, so may as well try and sway more fence sitters.

Or, you know, the US could have more than two major parties in government like a real democracy.
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True Blue wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:44 am Seems pretty easy to just move a little more center. I mean the far right idiots will vote for them anyway, so may as well try and sway more fence sitters.

Or, you know, the US could have more than two major parties in government like a real democracy.
Gary Johnson, George Wallce, Ross Perot...

Lots of people run for office, aren't Dems or Repubs, receive a lot of votes, and affect the outcome.
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What is going to be more relevant over the next 2 years is how Pelosi, Schumer, and Biden deal with AOC and the squad.


The GOP can simply go back to long standing principles that are hundreds of years old.

Hopefully Trump and the grifters who made fools of themselves along with him are all revealed and can disappear with him. Including Cruz, Hawley. Limbaugh, Levin, and Hannity.
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GOP will be back in 6 weeks screaming about the Biden govt debt and social welfare. Few will take accountability with their dalliances with fascism.

It will remain with Apple, Amazon, Twitter and Google to keep the lunatic fringes in line - the GOP will do nothing except complain about bias.
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I think it's going to be interesting to see not only how the GOP repositions but also the Democrats.

Kamala Harris holds the tie-breaker vote in the Senate but Bernie Sanders is in a very powerful position there too

In Congress the Democratic Socialists and the more socialist Democrats have gained traction by marshalling the young and minorities. They have around 10 seats, which could create pressure on the Democrats who only have an 11 seat majority

Democrats like AOC haven't ruled out supporting socialist candidates in the mid-term primaries to contest the seats held by the old guard
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Sonny Blount wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:10 am What is going to be more relevant over the next 2 years is how Pelosi, Schumer, and Biden deal with AOC and the squad.


The GOP can simply go back to long standing principles that are hundreds of years old.

Hopefully Trump and the grifters who made fools of themselves along with him are all revealed and can disappear with him. Including Cruz, Hawley. Limbaugh, Levin, and Hannity.
Can you tell me more about the multi-century old principles of the GOP?
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Interesting take on the GOP history

Is The Republican Party A White Nationalist Party?
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towny wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:14 am
Sonny Blount wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:10 am What is going to be more relevant over the next 2 years is how Pelosi, Schumer, and Biden deal with AOC and the squad.


The GOP can simply go back to long standing principles that are hundreds of years old.

Hopefully Trump and the grifters who made fools of themselves along with him are all revealed and can disappear with him. Including Cruz, Hawley. Limbaugh, Levin, and Hannity.
Can you tell me more about the multi-century old principles of the GOP?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wealth_of_Nations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis_de_Tocqueville
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Federalist_Papers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_von_Mises
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Hayek
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman
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True Blue wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:44 am Seems pretty easy to just move a little more center. I mean the far right idiots will vote for them anyway, so may as well try and sway more fence sitters.

Or, you know, the US could have more than two major parties in government like a real democracy.
It depends on how Donald Trump behaves over the next few years.

If Trump and his family continue to remain in public life, inciting radicalism, and promoting a far right agenda, then it will be hard for GOP members of congress to move back to the centre and still pander to Trump's base. Especially as there is a very good chance that Trump will target GOP members of congress, Senators and governors whom he thinks were disloyal towards him at the end of his Presidency.

The GOP will need to decide what they do, skoll Trump's Kool Aid and embrace 'bat-shit crazy' or try and occupy the sensible centre. It's almost impossible to do both sustainably over a lengthy period of time. I think it will be very hard for the GOP to cater to the Q-Anon, proud boy types, whilst continuing to maintain support amongst the mainstream, in the suburbs.
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Sonny Blount wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:51 am
towny wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:14 am
Sonny Blount wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:10 am What is going to be more relevant over the next 2 years is how Pelosi, Schumer, and Biden deal with AOC and the squad.


The GOP can simply go back to long standing principles that are hundreds of years old.

Hopefully Trump and the grifters who made fools of themselves along with him are all revealed and can disappear with him. Including Cruz, Hawley. Limbaugh, Levin, and Hannity.
Can you tell me more about the multi-century old principles of the GOP?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wealth_of_Nations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis_de_Tocqueville
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Federalist_Papers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_von_Mises
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Hayek
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman
Didn’t Friedman turned GOP economic policy on its head in the previous 50 years?
Wasn’t the GOP isolationist prior to WWII?
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towny wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:58 am
Sonny Blount wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:51 am
towny wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:14 am
Sonny Blount wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:10 am What is going to be more relevant over the next 2 years is how Pelosi, Schumer, and Biden deal with AOC and the squad.


The GOP can simply go back to long standing principles that are hundreds of years old.

Hopefully Trump and the grifters who made fools of themselves along with him are all revealed and can disappear with him. Including Cruz, Hawley. Limbaugh, Levin, and Hannity.
Can you tell me more about the multi-century old principles of the GOP?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wealth_of_Nations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis_de_Tocqueville
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Federalist_Papers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_von_Mises
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Hayek
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman
Didn’t Friedman turned GOP economic policy on its head in the previous 50 years?
Well he did get the volunteer military and ended the draft.

Hayek also gave us the idea for universal basic income (Friedman was for a negative income tax)
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I don’t think the GOP has had a good administration in a long, long time. It’s hard to name many at all. What’s the last good one?
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towny wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:06 am I don’t think the GOP has had a good administration in a long, long time. It’s hard to name many at all. What’s the last good one?
Their challenge too, will be that with the Senate being effectively 'flipped', a power vacuum will form for the GOP at a Federal level. Mitch McConnell will no longer have the gravitas of being the Senate Majority Leader. The American system doesn't include an Opposition Leader as such, so who will lead the GOP over the next four years? If it's Donald Trump from outside the Capitol, then the party is in trouble.

Personally I think Trump has grown bored of the GOP. I think he will look to start a new political party, pandering to the far right, and I think this poses a challenge to the GOP.
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History is going to be mental in terms of how harshly it judges the last four years.

In 30 years time, no one will admit to having supported Trump - it will be like 70 million people just vanished. Lots of people changing their tune in hindsight. Our grand kids are going to be confused as to how he got 47% of the vote.
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Jerome Manning wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:26 am History is going to be mental in terms of how harshly it judges the last four years.

In 30 years time, no one will admit to having supported Trump - it will be like 70 million people just vanished. Lots of people changing their tune in hindsight. Our grand kids are going to be confused as to how he got 47% of the vote.
Voting for Trump and supporting Trump are entirely different things.

The story of why 70 million voted for Trump is as much to do with aspects of the left in America over the past few years. They were rioting in the street for most of the year.
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Sonny Blount wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:30 am
Jerome Manning wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:26 am History is going to be mental in terms of how harshly it judges the last four years.

In 30 years time, no one will admit to having supported Trump - it will be like 70 million people just vanished. Lots of people changing their tune in hindsight. Our grand kids are going to be confused as to how he got 47% of the vote.
Voting for Trump and supporting Trump are entirely different things.

The story of why 70 million voted for Trump is as much to do with aspects of the left in America over the past few years. They were rioting in the street for most of the year.
They were protesting because American cops enjoy killing people of colour, and seem to have made a game of it. Trump's base ransacked the Capitol Building because their candidate lost an election.
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Sonny Blount wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:30 am
Jerome Manning wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:26 am History is going to be mental in terms of how harshly it judges the last four years.

In 30 years time, no one will admit to having supported Trump - it will be like 70 million people just vanished. Lots of people changing their tune in hindsight. Our grand kids are going to be confused as to how he got 47% of the vote.
Voting for Trump and supporting Trump are entirely different things.

The story of why 70 million voted for Trump is as much to do with aspects of the left in America over the past few years. They were rioting in the street for most of the year.
That's a really poor argument to vote Trump. The answer to "wokeness" (and I do hate wokeness) isn't Trump, it's sensible conversations between the centre right and centre left.
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Is it possible to cater to sensible, centre-right America whilst simultaneously catering to white supremacist insurrectionists who murdered a Capitol police officer, who wore 6MWE and Camp Auschwitz shirts, and who terrorized members of Congress? I'm not sure that's possible.
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Jerome Manning wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:39 am
Sonny Blount wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:30 am
Jerome Manning wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:26 am History is going to be mental in terms of how harshly it judges the last four years.

In 30 years time, no one will admit to having supported Trump - it will be like 70 million people just vanished. Lots of people changing their tune in hindsight. Our grand kids are going to be confused as to how he got 47% of the vote.
Voting for Trump and supporting Trump are entirely different things.

The story of why 70 million voted for Trump is as much to do with aspects of the left in America over the past few years. They were rioting in the street for most of the year.
That's a really poor argument to vote Trump. The answer to "wokeness" (and I do hate wokeness) isn't Trump, it's sensible conversations between the centre right and centre left.
I wasn't making an argument for it - I'm suggesting, no riots in 2020, fewer people would have voted for Trump.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:44 am Is it possible to cater to sensible, centre-right America whilst simultaneously catering to white supremacist insurrectionists who murdered a Capitol police officer, who wore 6MWE and Camp Auschwitz shirts, and who terrorized members of Congress? I'm not sure that's possible.
I agree. And I think impeaching Trump and removing him from office would be a worthwhile thing to do.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:44 am Is it possible to cater to sensible, centre-right America whilst simultaneously catering to white supremacist insurrectionists who murdered a Capitol police officer, who wore 6MWE and Camp Auschwitz shirts, and who terrorized members of Congress? I'm not sure that's possible.
Yeah fair point. I honestly think western civilisation is finished - we are currently circling the drain. We aren't meant to live in cities of 10 million people and be this alienated from each other. But that's a different thread for a different day...And unbelievably pessimistic.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:10 am
towny wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:06 am I don’t think the GOP has had a good administration in a long, long time. It’s hard to name many at all. What’s the last good one?
Their challenge too, will be that with the Senate being effectively 'flipped', a power vacuum will form for the GOP at a Federal level. Mitch McConnell will no longer have the gravitas of being the Senate Majority Leader. The American system doesn't include an Opposition Leader as such, so who will lead the GOP over the next four years? If it's Donald Trump from outside the Capitol, then the party is in trouble.

Personally I think Trump has grown bored of the GOP. I think he will look to start a new political party, pandering to the far right, and I think this poses a challenge to the GOP.
Trump is done. Apple, Google and Amazon have practically made him irrelevant. If he wants to get his message out, he either writes an email or goes on tv. Social media has cut him off, and rightly so. That is, they didn’t ‘censor’ him for policy or opinion - he was cut off for undermining liberal democracy by illegal acts of sedition.

Parler (Nazi Twitter) thought they could capture the fascist market, but they wouldn’t or couldn’t comply with the terms of business that Amazon, Google and Apple provides, which means they are goneskis. When Amazon turn off the lights they’ll possibly lose all their data.

So, Trump now has the same tools as the Bush era. Fox hates him now and the traditional media outlets won’t let him spin his nonsense, so that’s not good and the print media is obviously tough for a guy that doesn’t know facts and trades in bullshit. There are two new nazi digital channels - OAN and NewsMax, but these aren’t very powerful in the grand scheme. They are dependent on distribution from the cable companies, and there’s little in it for Comcast and co to allow Nazis their own channel. These will be cut-off if they don’t comply with direction.

That’s the problem for the fascists - they’re means are entirely dependent on other platforms to distribute their shit. They are merely apps or channels - single pieces at the end of a long value chain that ends with their users. They’re weak as piss but have believed that they had power.

So what will Trump do? He’ll be unheard, and I suspect his mob will turn on him. Without a bully pulpit he’s not much of a bully. Likely he’ll find a little community where he can hold court among a shrinking court of octogenarian sycophants as he busily directs his 1000 strong team of lawyers in their 100+ legal battles. Melania has probably already left him and so I guess his last days will be spent with Eric and Donald Jnr, which is the closest thing to hell I can imagine.

And let me say, this implosion is bigger and more satisfying than I had hoped for. But it’s not over by a long shot. This week we should see Trump become the first president to be impeached twice and the first to be convicted. My biggest fear is that Pence’s fear of the mob will force him to issue Trump a pardon.
Then of course we have the inauguration of President Biden, who already looks to be the greatest president in US history - there is going to be trouble when the #MAGAts come to town with their SUVs, beers guts and machine guns; however this time they’ll hopefully meet a chastened police force who aren’t happy that these scumbags killed one cop and wiped shit on the walls of the Capitol Building. I’m hoping for something reminiscent of “The Great Marianas Turkey Shoot”.

Fingers crossed.
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Sonny Blount wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:46 am
Jerome Manning wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:39 am
Sonny Blount wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:30 am
Jerome Manning wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:26 am History is going to be mental in terms of how harshly it judges the last four years.

In 30 years time, no one will admit to having supported Trump - it will be like 70 million people just vanished. Lots of people changing their tune in hindsight. Our grand kids are going to be confused as to how he got 47% of the vote.
Voting for Trump and supporting Trump are entirely different things.

The story of why 70 million voted for Trump is as much to do with aspects of the left in America over the past few years. They were rioting in the street for most of the year.
That's a really poor argument to vote Trump. The answer to "wokeness" (and I do hate wokeness) isn't Trump, it's sensible conversations between the centre right and centre left.
I wasn't making an argument for it - I'm suggesting, no riots in 2020, fewer people would have voted for Trump.
I agree. Don’t get me wrong, I thought the protests were mostly justified, but the timing for the Dems was awful - it was a reason to support their ‘team’.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:33 am
Sonny Blount wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:30 am
Jerome Manning wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:26 am History is going to be mental in terms of how harshly it judges the last four years.

In 30 years time, no one will admit to having supported Trump - it will be like 70 million people just vanished. Lots of people changing their tune in hindsight. Our grand kids are going to be confused as to how he got 47% of the vote.
Voting for Trump and supporting Trump are entirely different things.

The story of why 70 million voted for Trump is as much to do with aspects of the left in America over the past few years. They were rioting in the street for most of the year.
They were protesting because American cops enjoy killing people of colour, and seem to have made a game of it. Trump's base ransacked the Capitol Building because their candidate lost an election.

Quite clearly and demonstrably the protest throughout the year were far more organised, violent and purposeful politically than the issue last week at the Capitol building.

You demonstrate wonderfully though the gas lighting and dishonest approach to the issue that leads to 70 million holding their noses and voting Trump because it’s preferable to YOU.
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Trump is done. Apple, Google and Amazon have practically made him irrelevant. If he wants to get his message out, he either writes an email or goes on tv. Social media has cut him off, and rightly so. That is, they didn’t ‘censor’ him for policy or opinion - he was cut off for undermining liberal democracy by illegal acts of sedition.

Wait till it’s your guy they censor. You don’t win any argument by silencing the other side.
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How will Trump stay relevant after the 21st without Twitter? He cant use MSM either.
He's done, can't see him making another run impeachment or not.
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bimboman wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:26 am
Trump is done. Apple, Google and Amazon have practically made him irrelevant. If he wants to get his message out, he either writes an email or goes on tv. Social media has cut him off, and rightly so. That is, they didn’t ‘censor’ him for policy or opinion - he was cut off for undermining liberal democracy by illegal acts of sedition.

Wait till it’s your guy they censor. You don’t win any argument by silencing the other side.
No one has been censored. No one. Trump has been banned from Twitter for not complying with the rules of their platform. He’s not the first - I was booted off Twitter once. 😂

That’s the thing you fascists need to understand. The govt does not command companies and individuals in a liberal democracy. Nations of laws are not ruled by decree. Twitter and Facebook have rules - just like golf clubs and every employer on the planet. If you don’t stick to the rules - you’re out.

Claiming Trump was censored Is like saying a naked bloke was censored when he was thrown out of a children’s library for shouting racial obscenities.

And he’s the POTUS ffs. If he has something to say, he literally can call any journalist in the world or just hold a press conference. Every word he says will be published on Facebook and Twitter hundreds of times. He hasn’t been censored in any way - private companies, with legal rights to do what they please within the law, made a decision that a man actively trying to undermine liberal democracy had violated their terms of business.

Only a fascist would think that the govt should be able to overrule laws and regulations on a whim and only a moron would believe that Trump has been been censored.
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Jerome Manning wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:51 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:44 am Is it possible to cater to sensible, centre-right America whilst simultaneously catering to white supremacist insurrectionists who murdered a Capitol police officer, who wore 6MWE and Camp Auschwitz shirts, and who terrorized members of Congress? I'm not sure that's possible.
Yeah fair point. I honestly think western civilisation is finished - we are currently circling the drain. We aren't meant to live in cities of 10 million people and be this alienated from each other. But that's a different thread for a different day...And unbelievably pessimistic.
We aren’t meant to fly either but that’s working out pretty well.
Decency is triumphing over intolerance and ignorance. Right now.

I’ve got optimism for the first time in ages.
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towny wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:35 am
bimboman wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:26 am
Trump is done. Apple, Google and Amazon have practically made him irrelevant. If he wants to get his message out, he either writes an email or goes on tv. Social media has cut him off, and rightly so. That is, they didn’t ‘censor’ him for policy or opinion - he was cut off for undermining liberal democracy by illegal acts of sedition.

Wait till it’s your guy they censor. You don’t win any argument by silencing the other side.
No one has been censored. No one. Trump has been banned from Twitter for not complying with the rules of their platform. He’s not the first - I was booted off Twitter once. 😂

That’s the thing you fascists need to understand. The govt does not command companies and individuals in a liberal democracy. Nations of laws are not ruled by decree. Twitter and Facebook have rules - just like golf clubs and every employer on the planet. If you don’t stick to the rules - you’re out.

Claiming Trump was censored Is like saying a naked bloke was censored when he was thrown out of a children’s library for shouting racial obscenities.

And he’s the POTUS ffs. If he has something to say, he literally can call any journalist in the world or just hold a press conference. Every word he says will be published on Facebook and Twitter hundreds of times. He hasn’t been censored in any way - private companies, with legal rights to do what they please within the law, made a decision that a man actively trying to undermine liberal democracy had violated their terms of business.

Only a fascist would think that the govt should be able to overrule laws and regulations on a whim and only a moron would believe that Trump has been been censored.

“I support censoring “ ——- “you’re a fascist”


God you’re stupid.
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Calling a racist out isn’t censoring them. If you’re stupid, I will call you stupid. If you’re a fascist, I will call you a fascist. That’s not in any way censoring, you stupid fascist.

No one is censoring you. No one is censoring Trump. We just think you’re f*ckwits. Get it?
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I neither know nor much care what befalls the Republicans.

Essaying a half-arsed guess, tho', I'd say the party won't dry up and blow away. It's got long chronological roots, and let's not forget the current situation is all about the presidency and not Congress or the state governments.
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towny wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:52 am Calling a racist out isn’t censoring them. If you’re stupid, I will call you stupid. If you’re a fascist, I will call you a fascist. That’s not in any way censoring, you stupid fascist.

No one is censoring you. No one is censoring Trump. We just think you’re f*ckwits. Get it?


Calling people out is what you do AFTER they’ve expressed a repugnant view.

You want censorship because you’re scared or stupid or in your case both.
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Re: What is next for the GOP?

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bimboman wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:06 am
towny wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:52 am Calling a racist out isn’t censoring them. If you’re stupid, I will call you stupid. If you’re a fascist, I will call you a fascist. That’s not in any way censoring, you stupid fascist.

No one is censoring you. No one is censoring Trump. We just think you’re f*ckwits. Get it?


Calling people out is what you do AFTER they’ve expressed a repugnant view.

You want censorship because you’re scared or stupid or in your case both.
Says the poster who boasted back in March that the UK didn't need lockdowns or hotel quarantine to control COVID-19. Literally everything you have ever said on this forum has been proven wrong.
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Sonny Blount wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:46 am
Jerome Manning wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:39 am
Sonny Blount wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:30 am
Jerome Manning wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:26 am History is going to be mental in terms of how harshly it judges the last four years.

In 30 years time, no one will admit to having supported Trump - it will be like 70 million people just vanished. Lots of people changing their tune in hindsight. Our grand kids are going to be confused as to how he got 47% of the vote.
Voting for Trump and supporting Trump are entirely different things.

The story of why 70 million voted for Trump is as much to do with aspects of the left in America over the past few years. They were rioting in the street for most of the year.
That's a really poor argument to vote Trump. The answer to "wokeness" (and I do hate wokeness) isn't Trump, it's sensible conversations between the centre right and centre left.
I wasn't making an argument for it - I'm suggesting, no riots in 2020, fewer people would have voted for Trump.
I think you both have a valid point here. There seems to be a circular idiocy in this polarisation of politics. You can say no BLM riots in 2020, less Trump votes. But wasn't the media adloration of BLM partly a reaction to Trumps rhetoric as well? And Trump a reaction to the Dems trying to force feed an unpopular establishment candidate and so on and so on if you head backwards.

Moral psychologist Jonathan Haidt points out the issue will possibly stay. As he says the worst political systems have just one party you can vote for, however the 2nd worst only have 2 and that means by default people who have a political priority will absorb a whole lot of political position they wouldn't otherwise take on, but they see as their side.

But on the main topic here, we should beware of calling the GOP as they are as a party who can never be what they are. This argument was assumed to be true when Clinton became president and then we got Bush, then all that talk of the GOP being a relic and demographics ensuring they can't win when Obama won in 2008 and 2012 and then we got Trump.

The issue of course is seeing it as a move to the left, centre or right. Political circles are very ingrained with the outlooks. Believe it or not Trump didn't move the Republicans more to the right of say George Bush. He did win on a platform of being less liberal and an image of being anti-establishment. Biden however is clearly a leader who is one of the most right leaning democrats hugely pro corporate, certainly not what people expected post Obama for the Democrats direction to move in.
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Re: What is next for the GOP?

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bimboman wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:06 am
towny wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:52 am Calling a racist out isn’t censoring them. If you’re stupid, I will call you stupid. If you’re a fascist, I will call you a fascist. That’s not in any way censoring, you stupid fascist.

No one is censoring you. No one is censoring Trump. We just think you’re f*ckwits. Get it?


Calling people out is what you do AFTER they’ve expressed a repugnant view.

You want censorship because you’re scared or stupid or in your case both.
I don’t want any censorship. Twitter isn’t censoring anyone. They are banning individuals for continually breaking the rules.

I thought you were for private business. I thought you were for law and order.

No?
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Ali's Choice wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:37 am
bimboman wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:06 am
towny wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:52 am Calling a racist out isn’t censoring them. If you’re stupid, I will call you stupid. If you’re a fascist, I will call you a fascist. That’s not in any way censoring, you stupid fascist.

No one is censoring you. No one is censoring Trump. We just think you’re f*ckwits. Get it?


Calling people out is what you do AFTER they’ve expressed a repugnant view.

You want censorship because you’re scared or stupid or in your case both.
Says the poster who boasted back in March that the UK didn't need lockdowns or hotel quarantine to control COVID-19. Literally everything you have ever said on this forum has been proven wrong.

An absolute flat out lie again from the big bed wetter.
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towny wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:01 pm
bimboman wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:06 am
towny wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:52 am Calling a racist out isn’t censoring them. If you’re stupid, I will call you stupid. If you’re a fascist, I will call you a fascist. That’s not in any way censoring, you stupid fascist.

No one is censoring you. No one is censoring Trump. We just think you’re f*ckwits. Get it?


Calling people out is what you do AFTER they’ve expressed a repugnant view.

You want censorship because you’re scared or stupid or in your case both.
I don’t want any censorship. Twitter isn’t censoring anyone. They are banning individuals for continually breaking the rules.

I thought you were for private business. I thought you were for law and order.

No?

Absolutely, they’re entitled , if however they prove to be a monopoly and a publisher I want them split up.

Also they don’t apply the “rules” evenly, as you’ll see from other world leaders who haven’t had their accounts closed.
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bimboman wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:06 pm An absolute flat out lie again from the big bed wetter.
All you do is lie, hence why you've clearly your lies back in March, when you repeatedly boasted about the UK not needing lockdowns or hotel quarantine, and mocked NZ and Australia for the way our government's "overreacted".
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What logistics would be involved in Trump establishing a new, far right political party? He already has a half a billion dollars in a personal slush fund, and access to as much further money as he could ever want. Would he be better starting a new party that he can mould into his own likely, or does he undertake a hostile takeover of the GOP from outside the party?
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