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No it's really basic.
It's not so much what she stands for but about how they handle her and this situation, which is very public.Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:56 pmNo it's really basic.
You made an obvious and transparent attempt to portray the most odious member of the GOP as its standard bearer in an attempt to discredit them.
The same thing the GOP do with AOC.
It's all very tedious and leads to polarisation. She is by no means an even mildly important Republic. Soz.
And with this the Republicans can claim they voted against the process that was followed rather than the resolution to remove GreeneJensrsa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:52 pmPower play, testing the boundaries.Floppykid wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:48 pmDems are just meant to leave the raging anti semite Qanon lunatic be? Not use it as a cudgel against the GOP?Jensrsa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:44 pm Putting her on the Education Committee was a dare from the GOP to see how the Dems would react. The fact that the Dems took it to this level absolves the GOP from taking action on a member they are sorry to have in their ranks but where they don't want to antagonise the Trump base, now they can blame the Dems for interfering
The same with the relief bill where the 10 GOP senators came with a severely watered down proposal to see if the Dems would waste their time "negotiating" with the GOP who has no plan to approve any version of the bill 60-40 in the senate
Exactly. It's just a way to keep the bases in line while both parties remain firmly in the thrall of the same neo-whatever ideologies that they've been championing for decades. The "rise" of AOC's or Green's politics within their respective parties is illusory in any meaningful sense.Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:56 pmNo it's really basic.
You made an obvious and transparent attempt to portray the most odious member of the GOP as its standard bearer in an attempt to discredit them.
The same thing the GOP do with AOC.
It's all very tedious and leads to polarisation. She is by no means an even mildly important Republic. Soz.
Sorry, Cruz or Hawley more fair?Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:56 pmNo it's really basic.
You made an obvious and transparent attempt to portray the most odious member of the GOP as its standard bearer in an attempt to discredit them.
The same thing the GOP do with AOC.
It's all very tedious and leads to polarisation. She is by no means an even mildly important Republic. Soz.
I think, for the moment anyway, that the Republican right wing is taking the party further right, tonight's voting showed it. But both the GOP and the Dems in Congress are old and there's a groundswell of young millennials and Gen-Z coming through in both parties who believe in the same outcomes, they just disagree on how to achieve it. In 5 to 10 years both parties will be unrecognisable from today's partiesfonzeee wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:30 pm
Exactly. It's just a way to keep the bases in line while both parties remain firmly in the thrall of the same neo-whatever ideologies that they've been championing for decades. The "rise" of AOC's or Green's politics within their respective parties is illusory in any meaningful sense.
This is why it was retarded when people were saying Joe Biden was going to be a Trojan horse for socialism, and also why Trump's presidency (from a practical/policy standpoint) hardly deviated from the GOP playbook. The political establishment is firmly entrenched, it has its way of doing things and a couple of tweets and some grandstanding isn't going to change that, and none of these zealots have a scintilla of the nous required to alter or dismantle it. Which is why I don't care for midwits like AOC or Trump holding office when despite their rhetoric they are incapable of doing anything more than fanning the flames. Worst of both worlds -- ineffective and inflammatory.
People seem to really think these people are the ones writing legislation and making decisions. They aren't; this is done by think tanks, lobbyists, and advocacy groups (increasingly literally in the form of "model bills"). Politicians are there to market their brand and serve as lodestars to motivate voters to keep showing and continue consenting to this status quo. That's it.
You have the Hawleys and the Gaetzs who are under the influence of Trump but you also have the Backers (a youngster not in the house). Ideally you want these youngsters (of all ages) talking about solutions rather than just hammering heads in power playsC69 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:59 pmI hope for the Democrats at least, there is change and progressives like AOC can influence policy at least. I really hope Trump starts his own populist movement and splits the Republicans.Jensrsa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:43 pm I think, for the moment anyway, that the Republican right wing is taking the party further right, tonight's voting showed it. But both the GOP and the Dems in Congress are old and there's a groundswell of young millennials and Gen-Z coming through in both parties who believe in the same outcomes, they just disagree on how to achieve it. In 5 to 10 years both parties will be unrecognisable from today's parties
Will any of that money be set aside to do something about the Jewish Space Lasers? She's calling Omar and Tlaib anti-semetic, so perhaps the 3 of them could form an unlikely coalition to combat the Jewish Space Lasers.
Don't know if you would call them the ultra-right, but Greene said today that "this is the party of Donald Trump". And they won't censure her, but meanwhile the likes of Sasse, Cheney and so are being censured for voting for impeachment. The majority won't speak out against the orange one, and will peddle 'The Big Lie'.TheFrog wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:44 pm The GOP are completely hijacked by the Ultra-Right and they are f**ked. I reckon the GOP will turn into an 100% ultra right party, while the moderate elements of the party will either surrender or move to the Democrat party, or become independant.
The Democrat Party will move to the center, meaning its left wing may become rowdy at which point I don't know what they will do really.
What i mean is that, as with every personality cult, once that personality is out of the picture (in Trump's case, most likely his death of old age), the question of where does the party goes from there is critical to its survival.
Granted that no one is ever going to try to reinvent the wheel. Voting for Trump didn't produce status quo, nor is Biden keeping status quo. There are things that can be changed quickly and those that needs consecutive presidencies to change. Lobbyists still have significant power but Biden has set the path away from fossil fuel against that poweful lobby group for example.fonzeee wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:30 pmExactly. It's just a way to keep the bases in line while both parties remain firmly in the thrall of the same neo-whatever ideologies that they've been championing for decades. The "rise" of AOC's or Green's politics within their respective parties is illusory in any meaningful sense.Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:56 pmNo it's really basic.
You made an obvious and transparent attempt to portray the most odious member of the GOP as its standard bearer in an attempt to discredit them.
The same thing the GOP do with AOC.
It's all very tedious and leads to polarisation. She is by no means an even mildly important Republic. Soz.
This is why it was retarded when people were saying Joe Biden was going to be a Trojan horse for socialism, and also why Trump's presidency (from a practical/policy standpoint) hardly deviated from the GOP playbook. The political establishment is firmly entrenched, it has its way of doing things and a couple of tweets and some grandstanding isn't going to change that, and none of these zealots have a scintilla of the nous required to alter or dismantle it. Which is why I don't care for midwits like AOC or Trump holding office when despite their rhetoric they are incapable of doing anything more than fanning the flames. Worst of both worlds -- ineffective and inflammatory.
People seem to really think these people are the ones writing legislation and making decisions. They aren't; this is done by think tanks, lobbyists, and advocacy groups (increasingly literally in the form of "model bills"). Politicians are there to market their brand and serve as lodestars to motivate voters to keep showing and continue consenting to this status quo. That's it.
It's ugly. When idiology excuses any actions you know a country is screwed. At least Biden came out and stated even before the election the excesses of BLM and defund the police had really hurt the Dems. Who pushes back on the radical right of the Republicans who knows.Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:38 am Early days, but with the Wyoming GOP censuring Cheney and the Arizona GOP censuring McCain, along with the Texas GOP now openly calling for their state to leave the USA, it seems that post-Trump the GOP is moving to the far right as quickly as it can.
https://www.deccanherald.com/internatio ... 49764.html‘There’s nothing left’: Why thousands of Republicans are leaving the party
In the days after the January 6 attack on the Capitol, the phone lines and websites of local election officials across the country were jumping: Tens of thousands of Republicans were calling or logging on to switch their party affiliations.
In California, more than 33,000 registered Republicans left the party during the three weeks after the Washington riot. In Pennsylvania, more than 12,000 voters left the GOP in the past month, and more than 10,000 Republicans changed their registration in Arizona.
An analysis of January voting records by The New York Times found that nearly 140,000 Republicans had quit the party in 25 states that had readily available data (19 states do not have registration by party). Voting experts said the data indicated a stronger-than-usual flight from a political party after a presidential election, as well as the potential start of a damaging period for GOP registrations as voters recoil from the Capitol violence and its fallout.
I think that's true from the Democrats just because all the leadership is so old and power has become so centralized in the legislature that party leadership means everything, so after Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, Hoyer, Clyburn, etc., you're going to get major generational change. I think the Republicans have already been changing the past decade. Even getting into real policy that matters for example, they're not nearly so gung-ho free trade as they were when George W. Bush was president. Think most Republicans think like Democrats of old that just screws them over in the end. (Amazingly, modern-day Republicans AND Democrat rank-and-file have determined Ross Perot was the correct one in 1992.)Jensrsa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:43 pmI think, for the moment anyway, that the Republican right wing is taking the party further right, tonight's voting showed it. But both the GOP and the Dems in Congress are old and there's a groundswell of young millennials and Gen-Z coming through in both parties who believe in the same outcomes, they just disagree on how to achieve it. In 5 to 10 years both parties will be unrecognisable from today's partiesfonzeee wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:30 pm
Exactly. It's just a way to keep the bases in line while both parties remain firmly in the thrall of the same neo-whatever ideologies that they've been championing for decades. The "rise" of AOC's or Green's politics within their respective parties is illusory in any meaningful sense.
This is why it was retarded when people were saying Joe Biden was going to be a Trojan horse for socialism, and also why Trump's presidency (from a practical/policy standpoint) hardly deviated from the GOP playbook. The political establishment is firmly entrenched, it has its way of doing things and a couple of tweets and some grandstanding isn't going to change that, and none of these zealots have a scintilla of the nous required to alter or dismantle it. Which is why I don't care for midwits like AOC or Trump holding office when despite their rhetoric they are incapable of doing anything more than fanning the flames. Worst of both worlds -- ineffective and inflammatory.
People seem to really think these people are the ones writing legislation and making decisions. They aren't; this is done by think tanks, lobbyists, and advocacy groups (increasingly literally in the form of "model bills"). Politicians are there to market their brand and serve as lodestars to motivate voters to keep showing and continue consenting to this status quo. That's it.
That's at best a very misleading story but is most likely just dead wrong on the journalist's part. More Democrats are deregistering from being Democrats than Republicans deregistering from being Republicans. You can go to Ballot Access News where the writer reports registration figures as they get updated all the time. Most states that do party registration have released numbers updated this year. The Democrats' state registration numbers with an exception here and there always go down, while Republicans are either going down a small amount or have a minor increase.Jensrsa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:39 pmhttps://www.deccanherald.com/internatio ... 49764.html‘There’s nothing left’: Why thousands of Republicans are leaving the party
In the days after the January 6 attack on the Capitol, the phone lines and websites of local election officials across the country were jumping: Tens of thousands of Republicans were calling or logging on to switch their party affiliations.
In California, more than 33,000 registered Republicans left the party during the three weeks after the Washington riot. In Pennsylvania, more than 12,000 voters left the GOP in the past month, and more than 10,000 Republicans changed their registration in Arizona.
An analysis of January voting records by The New York Times found that nearly 140,000 Republicans had quit the party in 25 states that had readily available data (19 states do not have registration by party). Voting experts said the data indicated a stronger-than-usual flight from a political party after a presidential election, as well as the potential start of a damaging period for GOP registrations as voters recoil from the Capitol violence and its fallout.
http://ballot-access.org/2021/02/11/new ... on-data-2/Idaho
2/5/21 numbers: Republican 52.70%, Democratic 13.77%, Libertarian 1.10%, Constitution 0.38%, Indy/Other 32.06%
Sept-20 numbers: Republican 52.88%, Democratic 14.13%, Libertarian 1.00%, Constitution 0.36%, Indy/Other 31.64%
Republican down 0.18%, Democratic down 0.36%, Libertarian up 0.10%, Constitution up 0.02%, Indy/Other up 0.42%
http://ballot-access.org/2021/02/09/new ... on-data-4/Pennsylvania
Feb-2021 numbers: Democratic 46.25%, Republican 39.24%, Libertarian 0.52%, Green 0.12%, Indy/Other 13.87%
Feb-2020 numbers: Democratic 47.45%, Republican 38,19%, Libertarian 0.47%, Green 0.12%, Indy/Other 13.77%
Democratic down 1.20%, Republican up 1.05%, Libertarian up 0.05%, Indy/Other up 0.10%
http://ballot-access.org/2021/02/05/new ... on-data-4/Louisiana
2/9/21 numbers: Democratic 38.93%, Republican 32.02%, Independent Party 3.52%, Libertarian 0.49%, Green 0.07%, Reform 0.03%, Conservative 0.03%, Constitution 0.01%, Indy/Other 24.91%
Feb-20 numbers: Democratic 42.28%, Republican 31.49%, Independent Party 2.97%, Libertarian 0.47%, Green 0.08%, Reform 0.04%, Conservative 0.03%, Constitution 0.01%, Indy/Other 22.64%
Democratic down 3.35%, Republican up 0.53%, Independent Party up 0.55%, Libertarian up 0.02%, Green down 0.01%, Reform down 0.01%, Indy/Other up 2.27%
Alaska: http://ballot-access.org/2021/02/04/new ... on-data-5/Iowa
2/1/21 numbers: Republican 34.13%, Democratic 32.90%, Libertarian 0.68%, Green 0.18%, Indy/Other 32.10%
Oct-20 numbers: Republican 34.21%, Democratic 33.57%, Libertarian 0.63%, Green 0.16%, Indy/Other 31.43%
Republican down 0.08%, Democratic down 0.67%, Libertarian up 0.05%, Green up 0.02%, Indy/Other up 0.67%
https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugy-j-DFhrQb-nPfOzd4AaABCQPro-Trump state senator and gubernatorial candidate Amanda Chase (R-VA) has been required to sit behind plexiglass after refusing to wear a mask, claiming with no evidence that she has a health condition that prevents her from wearing one. Numerous doctors have avowed that such 'conditions' are so rare as to be virtually nonexistent. Chase was censured by the Virginia state Senate last month and stripped of her committee assignments for a ‘pattern of unacceptable conduct,’ including refusing to apologize for calling the deadly insurgents who attacked the Capitol ‘patriots.’ She is now suing the Senate over the vote.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5 ... 55-percentFormer President Trump won the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) straw poll on Sunday, with 55 percent of respondents saying they would vote for him in a hypothetical 2024 primary.
Flockwitt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:05 amIt's ugly. When idiology excuses any actions you know a country is screwed. At least Biden came out and stated even before the election the excesses of BLM and defund the police had really hurt the Dems. Who pushes back on the radical right of the Republicans who knows.Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:38 am Early days, but with the Wyoming GOP censuring Cheney and the Arizona GOP censuring McCain, along with the Texas GOP now openly calling for their state to leave the USA, it seems that post-Trump the GOP is moving to the far right as quickly as it can.