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Difficult to disagree with any of this - except, perhaps, the final paragraph. I had no idea things were so bad over there:
I’m worried about Ireland. My family’s homeland is being ravaged by Covid-19. It now has the highest infection rate in the world, according to the expert Covid-watchers at Johns Hopkins University in the US. Ireland’s seven-day rolling average is an eye-watering 1,394 Covid cases per million people. That is way ahead of the UK (810 per million), the US (653 per million) and Germany (248 per million).

It has been a sudden and startling decline. Back at the start of December, following a six-week lockdown, Ireland had the lowest infection rate in the European Union. Now it has the highest in the world.

To give a taste of how bad the Irish situation is, get this: around 46,000 people in Ireland have become infected in the past seven days, which is more than the total number of infections in the country between March and October. So, yes, it is bad.

But this health crisis has tragically been compounded by a political crisis. Ireland has been hampered from wielding the most effective of weapons against Covid-19 — the vaccine — because it is bound to the sluggish, failing European Union. The EU has badly dragged its heels on the rollout of vaccines, and countries like Ireland are paying the price.

Given the Covid surge in Ireland, you might expect that doctors would be out on the streets and country lanes day in, day out, administering the vaccine to the vulnerable and then to everyone else. In reality, the vaccine rollout has been fatally slow. At the start of this year, on 3 January, Ireland had received just 40,000 doses of vaccines, and it had administered 1,500 of those. By 8 January, 15,000 had been vaccinated. In a country of five million, that meant just 0.3 per cent had been vaccinated. More vaccines have been administered over the past few days.

Why the slowness? Much of it is down to how the EU has handled the ordering and distribution of vaccines. Everything has been done centrally. The EU’s 27 member states have been forbidden from organising their own approval or procurement of vaccines, instead having to wait for the go-ahead from Brussels. Commission President Ursula von der Leyen was explicit: on the matter of vaccine procurement, ‘We do this together, and no member state on this legal binding basis is allowed to negotiate in parallel.'

For a country like Ireland, this means being at the mercy of the European Medicines Agency (EMA), which has been far slower than Brexit Britain’s medical authorities in approving vaccinations, and also having to wait for stashes of vaccines from the EU’’s centrally procured stocks. This is generating understandable fury in the republic.

Marc MacSharry, the Fianna Fáil MP for Sligo-Leitrim, has been incandescent about the slow rollout of vaccines. The EU’s bureaucratic lethargy is costing Ireland dear, he says. ‘It seems clear that in a European and national context we have strangled ourselves with process, procedure and bureaucracy’, says MacSharry. He continued: ‘We have [experts] telling us the sky is falling in in terms of new cases and hospitalisations. It’s a real emergency, yet one week on we had used less than 5 per cent of doses provided to us?’

MacSharry noted the perversion of the fact that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, which the EU has approved, is, ‘of German origin and manufactured in Belgium, yet Israel and Bahrain, neither members of the EU, are leading the charge’. Ireland is now in the terrible situation of watching as its neighbouring country Britain — and even Northern Ireland just across the border — starts to roll out the cheap, easy-to-store Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine, while it cannot do the same because the EMA hasn’t approved that vaccine yet.

This is incredibly serious. Bureaucracy and uber-centralisation are the last things a country needs in a time of crisis. As a headline in the Irish Times put it: ‘Plea for faster vaccine rollout as six die with Covid-19 at Laois nursing home.’

Over the past four years, we were told time and again that Ireland would suffer terrible economic consequences once Britain left the European Union. Brexit would hit this little country hard, experts said. Shamefully, Brussels, and some Remainers too, exploited Irish concerns about Brexit and the potential of a ‘hard border’ to demonise the entire project of Britain leaving the EU and to argue that it just wasn’t worth it.

And yet in early 2021, with Britain finally, formally set free from EU rules and regulations, it isn’t Brexit that is hurting Ireland — it is the European Union. It is Ireland’s membership of this highly centralised, dangerously bureaucratic oligarchy that is hampering the Irish rollout of a life-saving vaccine that could help to push back the Covid surge.

This is not to say ‘I told you so’. This is far too depressing a situation for that. Last year was the first year in their lives that my parents, Irish immigrants to the UK, did not visit Ireland. Covid and lockdowns have tragically interrupted the flow of people between Ireland and the UK and kept families apart.

But it is important to point out the dangers of bureaucracy, and why it is bad for nation states to abandon their ability to be thoughtful and flexible by signing up to a centralised oligarchy in which every member state must play by the same rules. When you’re in the EU, your ability to swiftly address and respond to the needs of your own people is stymied, because the project of ‘European unity’ takes precedence over all else.

We should help Ireland out. It’s our neighbour and our friend. Millions of Irish people live and work in the UK. We are intimately connected. Screw the rules — Brexit Britain, free of EU red tape, should offer to include the Irish Republic’s five million citizens in its vaccination project. Let’s get these two islands fighting fit so that we can face the future together, as friends.
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:lol:

Should get 10 pages at least.
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Yes we will take your vaccine but only the good Pfizer one we don’t want any of that dodgy Astra Zeneca one with their dodgy efficacy data
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We should help Ireland out. It’s our neighbour and our friend. Millions of Irish people live and work in the UK. We are intimately connected. Screw the rules — Brexit Britain, free of EU red tape, should offer to include the Irish Republic’s five million citizens in its vaccination project. Let’s get these two islands fighting fit so that we can face the future together, as friends.
It's the least we can do after they offered to pay for NI Erasmus places. :proud:
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Anyone Irish person writing for the Spectator needs to get their head examined
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iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:46 pm Anyone Irish person writing for the Spectator needs to get their head examined
Point out the factual errors in the piece. The EU has had a complete nightmare on vaccine procurement. No one should be seeking to distract from that.
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Gospel wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:48 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:46 pm Anyone Irish person writing for the Spectator needs to get their head examined
Point out the factual errors in the piece. The EU has had a complete nightmare on vaccine procurement. No one should be seeking to distract from that.
We're looking to diverge from Britain's orbit not go back into it.
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Ireland will be Ok in weeks. It would be months before we could help them out but we would as they would us.
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Gospel wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:43 pm
We should help Ireland out. It’s our neighbour and our friend. Millions of Irish people live and work in the UK. We are intimately connected. Screw the rules — Brexit Britain, free of EU red tape, should offer to include the Irish Republic’s five million citizens in its vaccination project. Let’s get these two islands fighting fit so that we can face the future together, as friends.
It's the least we can do after they offered to pay for NI Erasmus places. :proud:
No no you hang onto NI, we insist
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Gospel wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:48 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:46 pm Anyone Irish person writing for the Spectator needs to get their head examined
Point out the factual errors in the piece. The EU has had a complete nightmare on vaccine procurement. No one should be seeking to distract from that.
Okay relax kid, a few weeks delay it’s not ideal but hardly “a complete nightmare”
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Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:57 pm
Gospel wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:48 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:46 pm Anyone Irish person writing for the Spectator needs to get their head examined
Point out the factual errors in the piece. The EU has had a complete nightmare on vaccine procurement. No one should be seeking to distract from that.
Okay relax kid, a few weeks delay it’s not ideal but hardly “a complete nightmare”


And Germany buying outside of the joint effort. That’s pretty poor,
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Bimbo - check
Gospel - check
No sign of Rodney or Mick to complete the Brexit circle jerk full house :(
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When are Ireland due to start vaccination
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A real issue ireland will have with the kentish covid variant is that having not infected so many of their own citizens is they now have a better spreading covid variant with less immunity in the community. This is very bad.

We can't help. As the limiting factor for the uk is supply of vaccine not the infrastructure to deliver/inject it as the health secretary stated today.
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:09 pm When are Ireland due to start vaccination
We've been vaccinating for two weeks now.
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Leinsterman wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:06 pm Bimbo - check
Gospel - check
No sign of Rodney or Mick to complete the Brexit circle jerk full house :(
You rang sir?
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I would be open to helping Ireland out with vaccinations if they asked. Better to vaccinate vulnerable Irish old people than relatively safe 50 and 60 year olds here. Nothing to with Brexit or EU or whatever, just saving lives if we can.
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terryfinch wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:17 pm I would be open to helping Ireland out with vaccinations if they asked. Better to vaccinate vulnerable Irish old people than relatively safe 50 and 60 year olds here. Nothing to with Brexit or EU or whatever, just saving lives if we can.
Rubbish
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Gavin Duffy wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:06 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:09 pm When are Ireland due to start vaccination
We've been vaccinating for two weeks now.
EU supplies scarce
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:20 pm
terryfinch wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:17 pm I would be open to helping Ireland out with vaccinations if they asked. Better to vaccinate vulnerable Irish old people than relatively safe 50 and 60 year olds here. Nothing to with Brexit or EU or whatever, just saving lives if we can.
Rubbish
Why is it rubbish?
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I told you before that The Spectator has a strong anti Irish bias. But if it helps bring more shit on The Spectator puke journalist Brendan O’Neill and make him look more of an idiot I’m fine with it.

Firmly put in his place by Irish comedian Andrew Maxwell.
https://twitter.com/bbcpolitics/status/ ... 41024?s=21
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He’s just shit stain.
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:09 pm When are Ireland due to start vaccination
Already begun. 2 guinness and a jamieson to be sure
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terryfinch wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:31 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:20 pm
terryfinch wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:17 pm I would be open to helping Ireland out with vaccinations if they asked. Better to vaccinate vulnerable Irish old people than relatively safe 50 and 60 year olds here. Nothing to with Brexit or EU or whatever, just saving lives if we can.
Rubbish
Why is it rubbish?
😂😂😂
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I wouldn't...steam off.my piss but if the lads want to give us free shit sure why not. The nordies get enough free shit to spread the love a bit
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For one day we had these very high infection rates. We were the best in Europe 4 weeks ago. The 56,000 cûnts that came home to Ireland from UK for Christmas vacation brought the UK virus with them and hence infection rates increased. But we’ll be fine. We generally have good leadership here.

Ireland (ROI) Coronavirus deaths a depressing 3,036
UK Coronavirus deaths an uber depressing 101,160

Some Stats:
The UK’s population is 13.6 times that of Ireland (ROI). Doing the sums, the UK has had 2.4 times as many deaths as Ireland (ROI) per population.

O’Neill should stick to UK news. Maybe trying to distract.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguar ... ass-100000

The UK should vaccinate Northern Ireland pronto. The virus has been out of control there for 2 months and of course spread to the border counties and thus further into the ROI.
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Stats ! Ratios !
Ye are obsessed by them ! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ireland must have worse heart attacks, pneumonia etc then that had the victim been in uk would have been labelled as covid tests if they had a recent test. Mortality rates as opposed to covid deaths, are remarkably similar between countries.
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We are doing just fine backrow. You look after life in the backwaters!!!

101,106 coronavirus deaths is a sobering thought how life has changed.

Does Romania even have a record of what’s going on there? Probably not truthful anyway like all 3rd world countries.
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YOYO wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:00 pm We are doing just fine backrow. You look after life in the backwaters!!!

101,106 coronavirus deaths is a sobering thought how life has changed.

Does Romania even have a record of what’s going on there? Probably not truthful anyway like all 3rd world countries.
And yet Ireland’s excess mortality is worse as a % than the uk’s marginally
Must be all those completely unrelated Irish heart attacks, pneumonia, emphasema deaths, or maybe the lockdown has made the catholic’s even more crazy and death by Umbongo has gone through the roof !

It’s kinda sweet you think ireland is 2.4 times better than the uk at something
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EverReady wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:49 pm I wouldn't...steam off.my piss but if the lads want to give us free shit sure why not. The nordies get enough free shit to spread the love a bit
No problem giving excess vaccine to Ireland but unlike Terry I wouldn't let British people die to save Irish or anyone else That's crazy talk
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    Anonymous 1 wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:10 pm
    EverReady wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:49 pm I wouldn't...steam off.my piss but if the lads want to give us free shit sure why not. The nordies get enough free shit to spread the love a bit
    No problem giving excess vaccine to Ireland but unlike Terry I wouldn't let British people die to save Irish or anyone else That's crazy talk
    Just send over the free shit in the hope we will get more later. Just so you know I am that dick who will shop in four different supermarkets on the same day to avail of the €5 off vouchers
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    iarmhiman wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:46 pm Anyone Irish person writing for the Spectator needs to get their head examined
    Brendan O'Neill is English.
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    EverReady wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:13 pm
      Anonymous 1 wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:10 pm
      EverReady wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:49 pm I wouldn't...steam off.my piss but if the lads want to give us free shit sure why not. The nordies get enough free shit to spread the love a bit
      No problem giving excess vaccine to Ireland but unlike Terry I wouldn't let British people die to save Irish or anyone else That's crazy talk
      Just send over the free shit in the hope we will get more later. Just so you know I am that dick who will shop in four different supermarkets on the same day to avail of the €5 off vouchers
      Cost price once we've all had two doses 👍
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      backrow wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:05 pm
      YOYO wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:00 pm We are doing just fine backrow. You look after life in the backwaters!!!

      101,106 coronavirus deaths is a sobering thought how life has changed.

      Does Romania even have a record of what’s going on there? Probably not truthful anyway like all 3rd world countries.
      And yet Ireland’s excess mortality is worse as a % than the uk’s marginally
      Must be all those completely unrelated Irish heart attacks, pneumonia, emphasema deaths, or maybe the lockdown has made the catholic’s even more crazy and death by Umbongo has gone through the roof !

      It’s kinda sweet you think ireland is 2.4 times better than the uk at something
      I know you like to keep your brain stuck in 1920 when it comes to Ireland. A proper Tory.
      Ireland has second-highest quality of life in the world, according to the UN

      The ranking appears in the UN’s annual Human Development Index.

      Thursday 17 December 2020

      IRELAND HAS BEEN ranked second-highest in the world for quality of life, according to a new study by the United Nations.

      The ranking appears in the UN’s annual Human Development Index, which is calculated on health, education and income.

      Ireland moves up one place from last year, and now only sits behind Norway, the country deemed to have the best quality of life in the world.

      Switzerland, Hong Kong, Iceland, Germany, Sweden, Australia, the Netherlands and Denmark rounded out the top ten for this year.

      Ireland has a life expectancy at birth of 82.3 years, joint-15th of 189 countries in the world. Hong Kong’s life expectancy at birth of 84.9 years is the highest in the world.

      Ireland also ranks eight for expected years of schooling, with 18.7 years, behind Belgium in first, which has 19.8 years of expected schooling.

      And Ireland also came fifth in terms of wealth, with a gross national income (GNI) per capita of $68,371, behind Liechtenstein in first with a GNI per capita of $131,032.

      The country with the lowest quality of life was Niger, which also came last in 2019. The ten lowest countries for quality of life are all based in Africa.
      The UK came in 13th. Romania a lowly 49. Best to get your will made fatty. :lol:
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      Thick Irishman in posting something unrelated and claiming victory schooler

      The subject was covid deaths, now you are switching it to something more subjective , and yet another stat to try and fail to claim victory with. You sad little mickey’d person scally you !

      We’ve already gone through how an index that takes income into account but not cost of living , is like many stats, not a real story. Life expectancy alone is a much better one, ireland happens to be .2 of a year behind Uk.

      As for years of schooling, maybe that just means you are dumb and need longer to attain a certain level?
      Finland usually comes tops of the metrics for quality of students they produce, their years of study is in fact very short (bastards don’t get homework either !)

      There is also a paradox in that if Ireland did indeed have the second best quality of life in the world (it doesn’t ), then just how stupid would you have to be to go an live anywhere else bar Norway ?
      Truth is, ireland is small, wet, crap weather, and a long way geographically from its European masters.
      And has increasingly expensive cars. The very fact there are so many Irish in the uk, and will continue to be migrants from dere, proves that ireland is just not a nice place to live as uk.
      Ireland ifnalso probably not great if you are small and have a pirdy lil mouth
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      backrow I think we should ease off on the tit for tat. Neither of us are in a competition. Bloody hell you might get a heart issue due to high cholesterol or some other nasty hereditary disease. I don’t want to responsible for it, or tipping you over the edge.
      Sure me too. My lift expectancy of 105 might be hindered by all this tit for tat stuff with you.
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      No offence (well kind of) but I thought you were a fatty YOYO?
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      DragsterDriver wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:02 pm No offence (well kind of) but I thought you were a fatty YOYO?
      No I’m not a fatty. I used to post on the fitness thread and liked to lift houses but not been doing that for a few years now. I was always an athletic sort. A bit of a pouch now granted but going to sort it out. If you fired me at a ruck from a catapult I’d probably do decent destruction but come out if it intact.
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      YOYO wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:58 pm backrow I think we should ease off on the tit for tat. Neither of us are in a competition. Bloody hell you might get a heart issue due to high cholesterol or some other nasty hereditary disease. I don’t want to responsible for it, or tipping you over the edge.
      Sure me too. My lift expectancy of 105 might be hindered by all this tit for tat stuff with you.
      I’m in fine shape , I just like jibing those whose sole raison detre is to hate the uk
      There are many things to have a go at the uk about, you just tend to pick weird ones that actually don’t stack up

      I will give you the biggest thing i think is a problem with the uk, a metric that is impossible to measure but I feel in my heart we are the worlds worst at: that of entitlement. As a nation, no matter what the topic, we always blame anyone but ourselves.
      Teeny hole in the road outside your house ? Councils fault , even though you could fill it with gravel from your garden in two mins.
      Get a council bill ? Whinge that the council don’t do anything
      Can’t feed your 17 y old so the poor lamb has to buy chicken burgers from a takeaway? Boris’fault
      It just never ends. I hate it, and one reason I get on well with saffas and Aussies and Canadians is because if they see a broken fence, they will get a hammer and nails out and fix it instead ofnwhinging.

      Am prob gonna expand this list:
      Parents expecting schools to feed their kids, teach them how to wipe their arse
      Universal credit - not enough or not fair in some way
      Ditto jobseekers
      My cat died, get signed off for stress for six weeks
      Blaming immigration on the Eu is a good one as well
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      terryfinch wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:17 pm
      I would be open to helping Ireland out with vaccinations if they asked. Better to vaccinate vulnerable Irish old people than relatively safe 50 and 60 year olds here. Nothing to with Brexit or EU or whatever, just saving lives if we can.
      Only if they said 'thank you'.

      Did they thank us for bailing them out in '09?

      I can't remember.
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      Your citizens are still dying at 2.5 times the rate of ROI. If we didn't bother vaccinating anyone we'd still struggle to catch up with your global top 10 performance of killing your most vulnerable.
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