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DOB wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:23 am

MrDominator wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:09 am

C69 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:59 pm I suspect the irony for that map is all the places numbered in the UK had loads of EU money given to them.

Eh?

The UK was a massive net contributor to the EU.

Ergo, any EU money sent back to the UK was recycled from what we sent them (minus their cut).

But that 350m/wk is supposed to go to the NHS, not Shropshire and Staffordshire...

MrDominator wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:54 am

DOB wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:23 am

MrDominator wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:09 am

C69 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:59 pm I suspect the irony for that map is all the places numbered in the UK had loads of EU money given to them.

Eh?

The UK was a massive net contributor to the EU.

Ergo, any EU money sent back to the UK was recycled from what we sent them (minus their cut).

But that 350m/wk is supposed to go to the NHS, not Shropshire and Staffordshire...

You've misunderstood, lad.

As the Scots would say, go home and think again.

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:34 am This thread has been created solely to target and troll Ireland abut COVID-19. This sets an extremely bad precedent and the thread should be deleted by mods, IMO.

Anonymous 1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:30 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:34 am This thread has been created solely to target and troll Ireland abut COVID-19. This sets an extremely bad precedent and the thread should be deleted by mods, IMO.

This thread was created by an Irishman as another platform for the Swarm and the tory boys to have at it

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:57 am

Anonymous 1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:30 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:34 am This thread has been created solely to target and troll Ireland abut COVID-19. This sets an extremely bad precedent and the thread should be deleted by mods, IMO.

This thread was created by an Irishman as another platform for the Swarm and the tory boys to have at it

I thought Mr Dominator was a long-established and well-respected English poster? Certainly the other English posters seem comfortable with him representing their views and speaking on behalf of them.

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:57 am

Anonymous 1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:30 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:34 am This thread has been created solely to target and troll Ireland abut COVID-19. This sets an extremely bad precedent and the thread should be deleted by mods, IMO.

This thread was created by an Irishman as another platform for the Swarm and the tory boys to have at it

I thought Mr Dominator was a long-established and well-respected English poster? Certainly the other English posters seem comfortable with him representing their views and speaking on behalf of them.

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:57 am

Anonymous 1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:30 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:34 am This thread has been created solely to target and troll Ireland abut COVID-19. This sets an extremely bad precedent and the thread should be deleted by mods, IMO.

This thread was created by an Irishman as another platform for the Swarm and the tory boys to have at it

I thought Mr Dominator was a long-established and well-respected English poster? Certainly the other English posters seem comfortable with him representing their views and speaking on behalf of them.

DragsterDriver wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:35 am It’s been a long time coming, but Ali makes his big trolling comeback on covid threads.

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:14 pm Wow! Almost a full page of posters using a pandemic to score points.

crapbackrow wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:15 pm how does this fit with the 'northern ireland as the miserable, backward relation' narrative repeated at every opportunity by the irish?

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:57 am

Anonymous 1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:30 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:34 am This thread has been created solely to target and troll Ireland abut COVID-19. This sets an extremely bad precedent and the thread should be deleted by mods, IMO.

This thread was created by an Irishman as another platform for the Swarm and the tory boys to have at it

I thought Mr Dominator was a long-established and well-respected English poster? Certainly the other English posters seem comfortable with him representing their views and speaking on behalf of them.

YOYO wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:17 pm English poster, old bean?

MrDominator wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:15 pm

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:57 am

Anonymous 1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:30 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:34 am This thread has been created solely to target and troll Ireland abut COVID-19. This sets an extremely bad precedent and the thread should be deleted by mods, IMO.

This thread was created by an Irishman as another platform for the Swarm and the tory boys to have at it

I thought Mr Dominator was a long-established and well-respected English poster? Certainly the other English posters seem comfortable with him representing their views and speaking on behalf of them.

Kind of you to say, old bean.

I am indeed a highly respected poster - one might even use the term 'elite'. I like to think of myself as the banner man of the Saxon hordes, defending English pride against all-comers.

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:32 pm

ChipSpike wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:18 pm

MrDominator wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:15 pm

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:57 am

Anonymous 1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:30 am

This thread was created by an Irishman as another platform for the Swarm and the tory boys to have at it

I thought Mr Dominator was a long-established and well-respected English poster? Certainly the other English posters seem comfortable with him representing their views and speaking on behalf of them.

Kind of you to say, old bean.

I am indeed a highly respected poster - one might even use the term 'elite'. I like to think of myself as the banner man of the Saxon hordes, defending English pride against all-comers.

You try too hard to be English. Not done old bean.

Tbh being a try hard means you are probably an English poster

shanky wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:59 pm The Saxons were Germanic, weren’t they?

ChipSpike wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:18 pm

MrDominator wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:15 pm

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:57 am

Anonymous 1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:30 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:34 am This thread has been created solely to target and troll Ireland abut COVID-19. This sets an extremely bad precedent and the thread should be deleted by mods, IMO.

This thread was created by an Irishman as another platform for the Swarm and the tory boys to have at it

I thought Mr Dominator was a long-established and well-respected English poster? Certainly the other English posters seem comfortable with him representing their views and speaking on behalf of them.

Kind of you to say, old bean.

I am indeed a highly respected poster - one might even use the term 'elite'. I like to think of myself as the banner man of the Saxon hordes, defending English pride against all-comers.

You try too hard to be English. Not done old bean.

MrDominator wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:49 pm

ChipSpike wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:18 pm

MrDominator wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:15 pm

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:57 am

Anonymous 1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:30 am

This thread was created by an Irishman as another platform for the Swarm and the tory boys to have at it

I thought Mr Dominator was a long-established and well-respected English poster? Certainly the other English posters seem comfortable with him representing their views and speaking on behalf of them.

Kind of you to say, old bean.

I am indeed a highly respected poster - one might even use the term 'elite'. I like to think of myself as the banner man of the Saxon hordes, defending English pride against all-comers.

You try too hard to be English. Not done old bean.

This is a quite disgraceful calumny.

I'm happy to share my DNA results by PM.

Trostan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:19 am 1.51.5Catching up. 2nd in EU now for vaccines. 40k this week. Will ramp up to c.50k next week. Thank you to all our vaccinators and @HSELive

Edouard Mathieu
@redouad
Total vaccine doses administered per 100 people:

Denmark 2.23
Ireland 1.57
Italy 1.5
Spain 1.45
Germany 1.01
Poland 0.98
Romania 0.87
Greece 0.68
Czechia 0.66
Belgium 0.6
France 0.49
Netherlands 0.27

Trostan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:19 am 1.51.5Catching up. 2nd in EU now for vaccines. 40k this week. Will ramp up to c.50k next week. Thank you to all our vaccinators and @HSELive

Edouard Mathieu
@redouad
Total vaccine doses administered per 100 people:

Denmark 2.23
Ireland 1.57
Italy 1.5
Spain 1.45
Germany 1.01
Poland 0.98
Romania 0.87
Greece 0.68
Czechia 0.66
Belgium 0.6
France 0.49
Netherlands 0.27

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:09 am

Trostan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:19 am 1.51.5Catching up. 2nd in EU now for vaccines. 40k this week. Will ramp up to c.50k next week. Thank you to all our vaccinators and @HSELive

Edouard Mathieu
@redouad
Total vaccine doses administered per 100 people:

Denmark 2.23
Ireland 1.57
Italy 1.5
Spain 1.45
Germany 1.01
Poland 0.98
Romania 0.87
Greece 0.68
Czechia 0.66
Belgium 0.6
France 0.49
Netherlands 0.27

We're still going too slow.

DOB wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:16 am

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:09 am

Trostan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:19 am 1.51.5Catching up. 2nd in EU now for vaccines. 40k this week. Will ramp up to c.50k next week. Thank you to all our vaccinators and @HSELive

Edouard Mathieu
@redouad
Total vaccine doses administered per 100 people:

Denmark 2.23
Ireland 1.57
Italy 1.5
Spain 1.45
Germany 1.01
Poland 0.98
Romania 0.87
Greece 0.68
Czechia 0.66
Belgium 0.6
France 0.49
Netherlands 0.27

We're still going too slow.

What's the point at which we can expect to see the infections/hospitalisations start to noticeably go down? Because that's surely going to be the thing that drives the lockdowns ending or continuing.

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:20 am

DOB wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:16 am

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:09 am

Trostan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:19 am 1.51.5Catching up. 2nd in EU now for vaccines. 40k this week. Will ramp up to c.50k next week. Thank you to all our vaccinators and @HSELive

Edouard Mathieu
@redouad
Total vaccine doses administered per 100 people:

Denmark 2.23
Ireland 1.57
Italy 1.5
Spain 1.45
Germany 1.01
Poland 0.98
Romania 0.87
Greece 0.68
Czechia 0.66
Belgium 0.6
France 0.49
Netherlands 0.27

We're still going too slow.

What's the point at which we can expect to see the infections/hospitalisations start to noticeably go down? Because that's surely going to be the thing that drives the lockdowns ending or continuing.

Front line staff, over 70s and nursing homes vaccinated will stop the deaths.

Cases will still be high until we get 60-70% vaccinated. I feel it will be September . The virus will naturally decrease as the warmer summer months come and the UV light increases. It's around then they need to get the remainder vaccinated. Then when the autumn comes back we're ready for flu and covid season

DOB wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:30 am

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:20 am

DOB wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:16 am

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:09 am

Trostan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:19 am 1.51.5Catching up. 2nd in EU now for vaccines. 40k this week. Will ramp up to c.50k next week. Thank you to all our vaccinators and @HSELive

Edouard Mathieu
@redouad
Total vaccine doses administered per 100 people:

Denmark 2.23
Ireland 1.57
Italy 1.5
Spain 1.45
Germany 1.01
Poland 0.98
Romania 0.87
Greece 0.68
Czechia 0.66
Belgium 0.6
France 0.49
Netherlands 0.27

We're still going too slow.

What's the point at which we can expect to see the infections/hospitalisations start to noticeably go down? Because that's surely going to be the thing that drives the lockdowns ending or continuing.

Front line staff, over 70s and nursing homes vaccinated will stop the deaths.

Cases will still be high until we get 60-70% vaccinated. I feel it will be September . The virus will naturally decrease as the warmer summer months come and the UV light increases. It's around then they need to get the remainder vaccinated. Then when the autumn comes back we're ready for flu and covid season

And over 70s is about 10% of the population, so yeah, they'd want to get a hurry-up.

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:09 am

Trostan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:19 am 1.51.5Catching up. 2nd in EU now for vaccines. 40k this week. Will ramp up to c.50k next week. Thank you to all our vaccinators and @HSELive

Edouard Mathieu
@redouad
Total vaccine doses administered per 100 people:

Denmark 2.23
Ireland 1.57
Italy 1.5
Spain 1.45
Germany 1.01
Poland 0.98
Romania 0.87
Greece 0.68
Czechia 0.66
Belgium 0.6
France 0.49
Netherlands 0.27

We're still going too slow.

message #2527204 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:05 pm

shanky wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:59 pm The Saxons were Germanic, weren’t they?

As were the Angles and the Jutes

mabunch78 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:15 am

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:09 am

Trostan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:19 am 1.51.5Catching up. 2nd in EU now for vaccines. 40k this week. Will ramp up to c.50k next week. Thank you to all our vaccinators and @HSELive

Edouard Mathieu
@redouad
Total vaccine doses administered per 100 people:

Denmark 2.23
Ireland 1.57
Italy 1.5
Spain 1.45
Germany 1.01
Poland 0.98
Romania 0.87
Greece 0.68
Czechia 0.66
Belgium 0.6
France 0.49
Netherlands 0.27

We're still going too slow.

Definitely. As of today, Israel is top up at 25 and they're reporting ~50% reduction in infection rates. That could buy them months less lockdown-type conditions. The UK is at 5 right now and that's too low to show any appreciable effect in infection rates discernible from 'wave cycle' variations. Go hard and fast to save lives, then settle for a ratio growth rate that tails off later on. The EU numbers are poor IMHO.

Also, the conventional wisdom on here seems to be hit the vulnerable/aged and front liners first. But isn't there a sweet-spot to be had by also getting early doses into the 'vector part' of the population? The former is a back-foot, reactive strategy, the latter a proactive strategy. I would like to think these government modellers are working this through...

mabunch78 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:15 am

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:09 am

Trostan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:19 am 1.51.5Catching up. 2nd in EU now for vaccines. 40k this week. Will ramp up to c.50k next week. Thank you to all our vaccinators and @HSELive

Edouard Mathieu
@redouad
Total vaccine doses administered per 100 people:

Denmark 2.23
Ireland 1.57
Italy 1.5
Spain 1.45
Germany 1.01
Poland 0.98
Romania 0.87
Greece 0.68
Czechia 0.66
Belgium 0.6
France 0.49
Netherlands 0.27

We're still going too slow.

Definitely. As of today, Israel is top up at 25 and they're reporting ~50% reduction in infection rates. That could buy them months less lockdown-type conditions. The UK is at 5 right now and that's too low to show any appreciable effect in infection rates discernible from 'wave cycle' variations. Go hard and fast to save lives, then settle for a ratio growth rate that tails off later on. The EU numbers are poor IMHO.

Also, the conventional wisdom on here seems to be hit the vulnerable/aged and front liners first. But isn't there a sweet-spot to be had by also getting early doses into the 'vector part' of the population? The former is a back-foot, reactive strategy, the latter a proactive strategy. I would like to think these government modellers are working this through...

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:20 am

DOB wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:16 am

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:09 am

Trostan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:19 am 1.51.5Catching up. 2nd in EU now for vaccines. 40k this week. Will ramp up to c.50k next week. Thank you to all our vaccinators and @HSELive

Edouard Mathieu
@redouad
Total vaccine doses administered per 100 people:

Denmark 2.23
Ireland 1.57
Italy 1.5
Spain 1.45
Germany 1.01
Poland 0.98
Romania 0.87
Greece 0.68
Czechia 0.66
Belgium 0.6
France 0.49
Netherlands 0.27

We're still going too slow.

What's the point at which we can expect to see the infections/hospitalisations start to noticeably go down? Because that's surely going to be the thing that drives the lockdowns ending or continuing.

Front line staff, over 70s and nursing homes vaccinated will stop the deaths.

Cases will still be high until we get 60-70% vaccinated. I feel it will be September . The virus will naturally decrease as the warmer summer months come and the UV light increases. It's around then they need to get the remainder vaccinated. Then when the autumn comes back we're ready for flu and covid season

message wrote:Apparently Indonesia are going for the "vector" part - to get people back to work, you'd assume. Will see what happens I guess.

Gospel wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:33 pm

message wrote:Apparently Indonesia are going for the "vector" part - to get people back to work, you'd assume. Will see what happens I guess.

I don't understand this choice because those at risk of hospitalisation and death are a much smaller percentage of the population. You cannot tell a vector by looking at them - so you're talking about vaccinating the majority first.

Trostan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:19 am 1.51.5Catching up. 2nd in EU now for vaccines. 40k this week. Will ramp up to c.50k next week. Thank you to all our vaccinators and @HSELive

Edouard Mathieu
@redouad
Total vaccine doses administered per 100 people:

Denmark 2.23
Ireland 1.57
Italy 1.5
Spain 1.45
Germany 1.01
Poland 0.98
Romania 0.87
Greece 0.68
Czechia 0.66
Belgium 0.6
France 0.49
Netherlands 0.27

mabunch78 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:15 am

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:09 am

Trostan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:19 am 1.51.5Catching up. 2nd in EU now for vaccines. 40k this week. Will ramp up to c.50k next week. Thank you to all our vaccinators and @HSELive

Edouard Mathieu
@redouad
Total vaccine doses administered per 100 people:

Denmark 2.23
Ireland 1.57
Italy 1.5
Spain 1.45
Germany 1.01
Poland 0.98
Romania 0.87
Greece 0.68
Czechia 0.66
Belgium 0.6
France 0.49
Netherlands 0.27

We're still going too slow.

Definitely. As of today, Israel is top up at 25 and they're reporting ~50% reduction in infection rates. That could buy them months less lockdown-type conditions. The UK is at 5 right now and that's too low to show any appreciable effect in infection rates discernible from 'wave cycle' variations. Go hard and fast to save lives, then settle for a ratio growth rate that tails off later on. The EU numbers are poor IMHO.

Also, the conventional wisdom on here seems to be hit the vulnerable/aged and front liners first. But isn't there a sweet-spot to be had by also getting early doses into the 'vector part' of the population? The former is a back-foot, reactive strategy, the latter a proactive strategy. I would like to think these government modellers are working this through...