Another Aussie googler.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/02/15/ru ... ning-code/As Rupert Murdoch works to dismantle the internet, why are other media outlets helping him?
Australia's news media bargaining code will set a dangerous precedent for the future of the net.
I love The Guardian. It has long been my most trusted news source worldwide. I have been honoured to write for and work with this grand institution. So I am sorely disappointed that it’s dancing with the devil, Rupert Murdoch, in backing Australia’s news media bargaining code.
The code is built on a series of fallacies. First is the idea that Google and Facebook should owe publishers so much as a farthing for linking to their content, sending them audience, giving them marketing. In any rational market, publishers would owe platforms for this free marketing, except that Google at its founding decided not to sell links outside of advertisements. The headlines and snippets the platforms quote are necessary to link to them, and if the publishers don’t want to be included, it is easy for them to opt out.
Second, the major media companies of Australia — Murdoch’s News Corp, Nine and, yes, The Guardian — are not beggars in Oliver Twist’s poor house as they would have us believe. They will survive.
Third, no matter what happens in this political drama, Murdoch — as ever — wins. Either he gets paid by Google and Facebook, or, as threatened, Facebook bans news from its newsfeed and Google pulls out of Australia. Since Murdoch and Nine own almost all the biggest media brands in the nation, they’ll be fine. Any media start-up that dreams of competing with Australia’s media oligopoly will be unable to find a hold in the market. Small companies in many sectors will suffer. Users will suffer.
I predict that the politicians who made this happen at Murdoch’s behest will suffer once citizens realise what they must do without. But Murdoch won’t.
What worries me most is what the code would do to the internet, worldwide. As The Guardian reported, Sir Tim Berners-Lee himself, the man who invented the web, said the code would break it. The precedent of having to pay for the privilege of linking to someone is antithetical to the core ethic of the web: that the edges finally win over the power at the centre.
In the United States, where I work, it is only because of the web and its architecture of the link — as well as social media and its hashtags — that we have finally heard the stories of #BlackLivesMatter and #LivingWhileBlack and #MeToo from voices too long excluded from mass media, run by old, white men (who look like me). The net challenges the old mens’ hegemony.
No wonder Murdoch does everything he can to cripple the internet and its proprietors, cashing in his political capital — conflict of interest be damned — to buy protectionist legislation favouring his companies against his competitors.
In beginning to pay publishers for their articles, Google and Facebook are playing into his hand — and I’m unhappy with them, too, for setting a precedent I consider dangerous for the future of the net.
You may ask why I’m so vitriolic about your native son, Australia. (In disclosure, I once worked for Murdoch as TV critic for America’s TV Guide. Also, the school where I teach has raised funds from Facebook and Google, but I receive nothing from them.)
My animus toward Murdoch comes from seeing his media company damage my family and my nation. Fox News brainwashed parents across the country. Donald Trump was the Frankenstein’s monster of Murdoch’s network. The January 6 riot at the US Capitol might as well have been Murdoch’s garden party.
Rupert Murdoch is the single most malign influence in democracy across the English-speaking world — and his influence spreads even wider now, as even formerly sensible Canada and the European Union are considering following Australia’s lead in killing the web with carbon copies of the code.
If Murdoch is the devil, The Guardian was the guardian angel come to battle him. That’s why I’m so disappointed. I’m equally concerned that The Guardian, as well as most news media lately, have turned dystopian in their coverage of the internet and technology. I am old enough to remember when they were optimistic, even utopian. But that is a discussion for another day, another beer.
I say this at the risk of my relationship with The Guardian, an affection that goes back many years. But as much as I love The Guardian, I love the internet even more.
Jeff Jarvis is professor of journalism at the City University of New York.
He's also -- I kid you not -- the irony-free author of "What would Google do?"Taranaki Snapper wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:13 pm Jeff Jarvis is professor of journalism at the City University of New York.
Jarvis waves away one legitimate question after another, at unprecedented speed. He won’t even let his discussion partners finish what they are saying, because he becomes so… I don’t know, personally offended?
...He speaks against himself, and he doesn’t even notice. He can say that a company like Google doesn’t hurt media companies at ALL – and in the next sentence, he claims that the best news outlet in the world, The New York Times, reports with a conflict of interest when they describe and question Google...Really? So which is it? ...If Google doesn’t hurt the media industry, then there can be no conflict of interest.
Oh contraire. Questions were answered. Then you didn't return.guy smiley wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:21 am This is why I can’t be arsed with this thread or this place most of the time... material isn’t discussed.
Surely you now know this involves large and small organisations as well as public-funded content?kiap wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:34 amThey are included (see below, & note the amp link):guy smiley wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 1:23 am For those arguing in favour, a question...
why does the policy being floated not include support extending to the public broadcaster here?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... ition-says
ABC was originally excluded largely because under its charter it is limited in terms of commercially sourced funding.
Now I'm sure that was also convenient for any ABC-hating, Rupe-sucking faction within the coalition... but said support for public news content is now within the conversation.
Obviously the whole process still has a way to travel so what the outcome ends up looking like is yet unknown.
Both these questions are falsely premised.guy smiley wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 1:23 am Why does it only include a handful of large corporates... Nine/Fairfax and News primarily? Why does the policy allow one side to dictate terms?
Betoota Advocate’s page is emptySlim 293 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:56 pm Australian news pages goooooooooooooooone from Facebook...
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... ws-content
Youre such a child.
grievous wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:49 pmYoure such a child.
Leave you 3 to circle jerk on each others faces.
Enjoy
Good luck indeedguy smiley wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 1:23 am![]()
Good luck with trying to extort one of the biggest companies on the planet![]()
I agree with the idea of curbing the excessive influence companies like Google, Facebook and the rest have gathered for themselves but this is not the way to go about it.
Fantastic. Be sure to thank your pal Zuck for all he's done.guy smiley wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:44 pm BOM page gone as well as the ABC so no weather or bushfire alerts.
This is a great day for Australian news. Fantastic that the Aus govt really took it up to the big guys and showed em.
ScoMo... getting shit done![]()
You tag yourself into training every week, mate.Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:02 am Maybe, I don't and have never used Facebook for news
Unless it's Betoota of course![]()
I get most of my random news off Twitter - which wasn't part of Morrison's new bill for some reason. Still subscribe to the SMH and The Age as well.Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:02 am Maybe, I don't and have never used Facebook for news
Unless it's Betoota of course![]()
Kiap, since you have been by far the biggest supporter of this media bill on this forum, can you please explain how FB blocking all Australian news sites is a positive outcome for our news organisations?kiap wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:04 amFantastic. Be sure to thank your pal Zuck for all he's done.guy smiley wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:44 pm BOM page gone as well as the ABC so no weather or bushfire alerts.
This is a great day for Australian news. Fantastic that the Aus govt really took it up to the big guys and showed em.
ScoMo... getting shit done![]()
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Then go to the actual ABC and BOM sites.
Damn, that's the only Australian news source I read.guy smiley wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:21 pmBetoota Advocate’s page is emptySlim 293 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:56 pm Australian news pages goooooooooooooooone from Facebook...
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... ws-content![]()
A great victory, of course, for the Australian govt and those who support this legislation. No more free linking to news outlets.
Fantastic. Great job. Well done.
How is that news?guy smiley wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:04 amYou tag yourself into training every week, mate.Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:02 am Maybe, I don't and have never used Facebook for news
Unless it's Betoota of course![]()
Why don’t you go direct to their site?Zakar wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:12 amDamn, that's the only Australian news source I read.guy smiley wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:21 pmBetoota Advocate’s page is emptySlim 293 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:56 pm Australian news pages goooooooooooooooone from Facebook...
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... ws-content![]()
A great victory, of course, for the Australian govt and those who support this legislation. No more free linking to news outlets.
Fantastic. Great job. Well done.
I've replaced it with Craig Kelly Member for Cooked as Fuckkiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:20 amWhy don’t you go direct to their site?Zakar wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:12 amDamn, that's the only Australian news source I read.guy smiley wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:21 pmBetoota Advocate’s page is emptySlim 293 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:56 pm Australian news pages goooooooooooooooone from Facebook...
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... ws-content![]()
A great victory, of course, for the Australian govt and those who support this legislation. No more free linking to news outlets.
Fantastic. Great job. Well done.
I really don’t understand this hysteria from GS and AC...
I'm not being hysterical. I'm simply asking Kiap and others who passionately advocated for this new media bill how Facebook banning access to Australian news content is a positive outcome for our news organisations. Morrison promised us that this bill would save Australian news, but I'm struggling to see how that's going to happen.kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:20 am Why don’t you go direct to their site?
I really don’t understand this hysteria from GS and AC...
Yes, hysteria...kiwigreg369 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:20 amWhy don’t you go direct to their site?Zakar wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:12 amDamn, that's the only Australian news source I read.guy smiley wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:21 pmBetoota Advocate’s page is emptySlim 293 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:56 pm Australian news pages goooooooooooooooone from Facebook...
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... ws-content![]()
A great victory, of course, for the Australian govt and those who support this legislation. No more free linking to news outlets.
Fantastic. Great job. Well done.
I really don’t understand this hysteria from GS and AC...