New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:32 am
One new 'probable' case of community transmission today.
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Hotel quarantine is what we do here in Australia as well. Seems to be working okay but I'm sure our state governments would be happy to learn from Ireland if you have a more successful model you could share with usGavin Duffy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:37 am So, are NZ isolating all arrivals in the same place? Bit sketchy if so.
No, unfortunately we're not in the southern hemisphere, we weren't hit with a fortuitously low transmissability strain of the virus, our main population centres aren't separated from each other by vast distances of desert/ocean etc, we have foreign politically complex land borders etc etc. But yeah you're doing great For now.Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:39 amHotel quarantine is what we do here in Australia as well. Seems to be working okay but I'm sure our state government's would be happy to learn from Ireland if you have a more successful model you could share with usGavin Duffy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:37 am So, are NZ isolating all arrivals in the same place? Bit sketchy if so.
Heard it all before mate. We get it, we're lucky. It's all about luck and being isolated. Not sure why you needed to tell us this again, but thanks all the same for making an effort.Gavin Duffy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:44 amNo, unfortunately we're not in the southern hemisphere, we weren't hit with a fortuitously low transmissability strain of the virus, our main population centres aren't separated from each other by vast distances of desert/ocean etc, we have foreign politically complex land borders etc etc. But yeah you're doing great For now.Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:39 amHotel quarantine is what we do here in Australia as well. Seems to be working okay but I'm sure our state government's would be happy to learn from Ireland if you have a more successful model you could share with usGavin Duffy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:37 am So, are NZ isolating all arrivals in the same place? Bit sketchy if so.
To clarify, it's a case in the community, not community transmission.Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:32 am One new 'probable' case of community transmission today.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19- ... W5NQVSW3A/
Fingers crossed for you guys. Here in QLD we had a woman who had the UK variant out and about in the community for two days before she was picked up. Palaszczuk closed down Brisbane for three days and fortunately the only person who she infected was her husband.
F-off mate, we’ve kept the high transmissionable strain out through political will and quarantine - so far (but there’s still a chance it will get out).Gavin Duffy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:44 amNo, unfortunately we're not in the southern hemisphere, we weren't hit with a fortuitously low transmissability strain of the virus, our main population centres aren't separated from each other by vast distances of desert/ocean etc, we have foreign politically complex land borders etc etc. But yeah you're doing great For now.Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:39 amHotel quarantine is what we do here in Australia as well. Seems to be working okay but I'm sure our state government's would be happy to learn from Ireland if you have a more successful model you could share with usGavin Duffy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:37 am So, are NZ isolating all arrivals in the same place? Bit sketchy if so.
It’s a weird position to take. Australia and Ireland get roughly similar numbers of international arrivals (around 10m a year) so we had equal chances for Covid to get into the country. I appreciate that Ireland is quite small so travel between cities by road is the preferred method but to suggest Australian cities are not interconnected is wrong. Melbourne to Sydney is the second busiest flight route in the world (just behind Seoul to Jeju, no a European city makes the top 10). These Australian cities are also shipping hubs and the road freight and train traffic between them is high. And to suggest Australia is not densely populated indicates a lack of understanding of the country. The population is centred on a small strip along the east coast and the south west corner. Most of the country is empty. We are an urbanised population, more than Ireland (71% living in cities compared to 64%).UncleFB wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:51 amF-off mate, we’ve kept the high transmissionable strain out through political will and quarantine - so far (but there’s still a chance it will get out).Gavin Duffy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:44 amNo, unfortunately we're not in the southern hemisphere, we weren't hit with a fortuitously low transmissability strain of the virus, our main population centres aren't separated from each other by vast distances of desert/ocean etc, we have foreign politically complex land borders etc etc. But yeah you're doing great For now.Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:39 amHotel quarantine is what we do here in Australia as well. Seems to be working okay but I'm sure our state government's would be happy to learn from Ireland if you have a more successful model you could share with usGavin Duffy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:37 am So, are NZ isolating all arrivals in the same place? Bit sketchy if so.
Also, piss off with the distance B/S as well, in the modern world distance is negligible. Oz and NZ are on Asia’s bloody doorstep and in NZ half the population lives in the top half of the NI.
Ireland especially could have closed off its borders if it had the political will and courage to do so. The states in Oz have nearly all shut down borders to other states at various times which has caused political shitfights.
You really shouldn’t coming swanning into a thread hassling how a country that has low rates of COVID is managing its quarantine and not expect some kickback.
Its like youre wishing a plague here.Gavin Duffy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:44 amNo, unfortunately we're not in the southern hemisphere, we weren't hit with a fortuitously low transmissability strain of the virus, our main population centres aren't separated from each other by vast distances of desert/ocean etc, we have foreign politically complex land borders etc etc. But yeah you're doing great For now.Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:39 amHotel quarantine is what we do here in Australia as well. Seems to be working okay but I'm sure our state government's would be happy to learn from Ireland if you have a more successful model you could share with usGavin Duffy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:37 am So, are NZ isolating all arrivals in the same place? Bit sketchy if so.
Bullshit sunshine. The difference has been all in the handling. And considering 6 of my mother's family have had to deal with Covid infections over the past fortnight (and other posters have said they've lost control of the spread on this very forum) Ireland's handling of the situation appears to have been nothing short of a shitshow.Gavin Duffy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:44 amNo, unfortunately we're not in the southern hemisphere, we weren't hit with a fortuitously low transmissability strain of the virus, our main population centres aren't separated from each other by vast distances of desert/ocean etc, we have foreign politically complex land borders etc etc. But yeah you're doing great For now.Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:39 amHotel quarantine is what we do here in Australia as well. Seems to be working okay but I'm sure our state government's would be happy to learn from Ireland if you have a more successful model you could share with usGavin Duffy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:37 am So, are NZ isolating all arrivals in the same place? Bit sketchy if so.
The possibility of a new arrival infecting someone near the end of their managed isolation has been discussed for ages. I thought they had introduced some kind of streaming, but perhaps that's wishful thinking. Although even with that there would be a lot of shared spaces. Exercise areas for example.
There has been comment recently about whether purpose built facilities are needed and noting that hotel ventilation could be a risk with the more transmissible variants. Hopefully they can identify the source and take whatever action is necessary.Fat Old Git wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 6:20 amThe possibility of a new arrival infecting someone near the end of their managed isolation has been discussed for ages. I thought they had introduced some kind of streaming, but perhaps that's wishful thinking. Although even with that there would be a lot of shared spaces. Exercise areas for example.
It's not idea, but it's still better than not telling them to isolate at all.deadduck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:23 am What's also alarming for me is that they're announcing this publicly on the 24th. They're contract tracing events that occurred on the 15th.
That means the person must have caught the virus since at least the 13th and have probably been infectious since the 18th.
I do hope users of the app were notified earlier than today. It's no good telling people who've been infected since the 18th to self isolate on the 24th, they've probably been infectious for 2 or 3 days now.
As we've seen in NSW, Victoria and QLD over the past few weeks, the virus can escape into the community and still be controlled, as long as health systems react early with excellent contact tracing and sensible, cautious lockdowns and restrictions.
Someone just asked on Twitter why people from Samoa were being quarantined with those coming in from the UK. Fair question imo.Gavin Duffy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:37 am So, are NZ isolating all arrivals in the same place? Bit sketchy if so.
That’s it. Contract tracing coupled with strategic lockdowns, like NZ did when they had the last outbreak, NZ should be fine. It’s something we need to live with until the vaccine is rolled out. That’s a year away still.Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:37 amAs we've seen in NSW, Victoria and QLD over the past few weeks, the virus can escape into the community and still be controlled, as long as health systems react early with excellent contact tracing and sensible, cautious lockdowns and restrictions.
A problem is that managed isolation is booked up with exact and legal requirements for each coordinated flight and space allocation. It's difficult to rearrange, especially over this peak beginning of year period where even emergency cases have been struggling to get approval and location. They'd need a specific plan and at least some time to work it through, there's a roll over of about up to 3 weeks/a month I'd guess to implement this best case. Rooms are booked solid and if you're separating by arrival for sure the total number of available rooms are going to be reduced. The government can't chop and change people's already booked flights and arrangements unless there's an outright emergency.flaggETERNAL wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:09 amSomeone just asked on Twitter why people from Samoa were being quarantined with those coming in from the UK. Fair question imo.Gavin Duffy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:37 am So, are NZ isolating all arrivals in the same place? Bit sketchy if so.
Ah thanks for that explanation flockwitt. We've gone over 300 days without a community case in Fiji. Feel like our time has to run out soon.Flockwitt wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:19 amA problem is that managed isolation is booked up with exact and legal requirements for each coordinated flight and space allocation. It's difficult to rearrange, especially over this peak beginning of year period where even emergency cases have been struggling to get approval and location. They'd need a specific plan and at least some time to work it through, there's a roll over of about up to 3 weeks/a month I'd guess to implement this best case. Rooms are booked solid and if you're separating by arrival for sure the total number of available rooms are going to be reduced. The government can't chop and change people's already booked flights and arrangements unless there's an outright emergency.flaggETERNAL wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:09 amSomeone just asked on Twitter why people from Samoa were being quarantined with those coming in from the UK. Fair question imo.Gavin Duffy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:37 am So, are NZ isolating all arrivals in the same place? Bit sketchy if so.
I'm sure you're not the only person in that boat Jeff. The perhaps good news out of today being the woman in question wasn't showing respiratory symptoms i.e. she wasn't coughing and sneezing all over the show and partner has tested negative. Hopefully at least not some super spreader.Jeff the Bear wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:48 am Pretty annoying is this. Back working from home. I've been a naughty boy, and have all but given up on the Covid app. As such, when I read the places she had been, and saw that I had visited a few of them as well...it was a fairly tense rummage around the online bank statement to confirm where I was (as it is, I missed her by a day down at Okara park).
When it's safe to venture yonder again.
Sorry chaps, but you're wrong.Farva wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:38 amIt’s a weird position to take. Australia and Ireland get roughly similar numbers of international arrivals (around 10m a year) so we had equal chances for Covid to get into the country. I appreciate that Ireland is quite small so travel between cities by road is the preferred method but to suggest Australian cities are not interconnected is wrong. Melbourne to Sydney is the second busiest flight route in the world (just behind Seoul to Jeju, no a European city makes the top 10). These Australian cities are also shipping hubs and the road freight and train traffic between them is high. And to suggest Australia is not densely populated indicates a lack of understanding of the country. The population is centred on a small strip along the east coast and the south west corner. Most of the country is empty. We are an urbanised population, more than Ireland (71% living in cities compared to 64%).UncleFB wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:51 amF-off mate, we’ve kept the high transmissionable strain out through political will and quarantine - so far (but there’s still a chance it will get out).Gavin Duffy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:44 amNo, unfortunately we're not in the southern hemisphere, we weren't hit with a fortuitously low transmissability strain of the virus, our main population centres aren't separated from each other by vast distances of desert/ocean etc, we have foreign politically complex land borders etc etc. But yeah you're doing great For now.Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:39 amHotel quarantine is what we do here in Australia as well. Seems to be working okay but I'm sure our state government's would be happy to learn from Ireland if you have a more successful model you could share with usGavin Duffy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:37 am So, are NZ isolating all arrivals in the same place? Bit sketchy if so.
Also, piss off with the distance B/S as well, in the modern world distance is negligible. Oz and NZ are on Asia’s bloody doorstep and in NZ half the population lives in the top half of the NI.
Ireland especially could have closed off its borders if it had the political will and courage to do so. The states in Oz have nearly all shut down borders to other states at various times which has caused political shitfights.
You really shouldn’t coming swanning into a thread hassling how a country that has low rates of COVID is managing its quarantine and not expect some kickback.
And Ireland had a full month without Covid to prepare compared to Australia, not recording a case until late Feb.
Australia’s results are driven but a much harsher response. Ireland went for a very different response compared to Australia and are getting different results. But our results have nothing to do with population density or connectivity.
I'm having a hard time coming to grips with there being common areas in NZ's hotel quarantine.Fat Old Git wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:56 am I wonder what systems they have in place to manage the shared spaces and if they do a clean down or similar between streams. During the last outbreak one case was a contractor who is thought to have gotten it from a lift that had been used by a positive case 20 minutes or so earlier.
In this case they're apparently investigating the air con system as the person's room was quite close to the one they've traced it back to. They're also looking at cc tv footage for possible overlaps.
Tehui wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:37 amWhen it's safe to venture yonder again.
It's the North Korea in the 1980s and 1990s option that is favoured now it seems.
And yet this isn’t North Korea. So your analogy falls over.Blackrock Bullet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:14 amIt's the North Korea in the 1980s and 1990s option that is favoured now it seems.
As the virus gets over the various walls put up to keep it out, higher walls are called for. Until we just ban travel and trade completely & live in glorious isolation.