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Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:05 am
by booji boy
Enzedder wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:02 am
Gossip is that there are cases in Chch and Napier.
Cats out of the bag
Will the whole country be in level 3 shortly or do we just continue with the regional, isolated lockdowns?
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:18 am
by Enzedder
I think they will try Regional.
Apart from Taranaki... I understand we have a nuke for when they go down
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:36 am
by Monkey Magic
Enzedder wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:18 am
I think they will try Regional.
Apart from Taranaki... I understand we have a nuke for when they go down
Once we get it into the naki then we'll find the true meaning of a hard border
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:42 am
by Knoath
Enzedder wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:58 am
Blenheim would be the best town for it to go to (human wise). Nobody goes anywhere in Blenheim so it should be easily contained.
Yea back in 80's I was assistant manger of the Cobb & Co there. Truly almost worse than Hamilton and that takes some beating. And yes I have also lived in Hamilton
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:46 am
by Monkey Magic
Knoath wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:42 am
Enzedder wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:58 am
Blenheim would be the best town for it to go to (human wise). Nobody goes anywhere in Blenheim so it should be easily contained.
Yea back in 80's I was assistant manger of the Cobb & Co there. Truly almost worse than Hamilton and that takes some beating. And yes I have also lived in Hamilton
You've had a hard life
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:07 am
by Knoath
Monkey Magic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:46 am
Knoath wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:42 am
Enzedder wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:58 am
Blenheim would be the best town for it to go to (human wise). Nobody goes anywhere in Blenheim so it should be easily contained.
Yea back in 80's I was assistant manger of the Cobb & Co there. Truly almost worse than Hamilton and that takes some beating. And yes I have also lived in Hamilton
You've had a hard life
Take into account New Plymouth, Hastings, Christchurch, Auckland, Nelson, Takaka, Brisbane, etc
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:16 am
by Knoath
Knoath wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:07 am
Monkey Magic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:46 am
Knoath wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:42 am
Enzedder wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:58 am
Blenheim would be the best town for it to go to (human wise). Nobody goes anywhere in Blenheim so it should be easily contained.
Yea back in 80's I was assistant manger of the Cobb & Co there. Truly almost worse than Hamilton and that takes some beating. And yes I have also lived in Hamilton
You've had a hard life
Take into account New Plymouth, Hastings, Christchurch, Auckland, Nelson, Takaka, Brisbane, etc
Oh yea forgot to mention my dad was 100% romaney gypsy, so I'm 50%
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 1:17 am
by Enzedder
So the Chch and Napier rumours are debunked.
80 new cases today - 77 in Akld, 1 in Northland and two in the Waikato. Probably reflects the fewer tests in a holiday weekend which isn't good really
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:28 am
by Ted.
Enzedder wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 1:17 am
So the Chch and Napier rumours are debunked.
80 new cases today - 77 in Akld, 1 in Northland and two in the Waikato. Probably reflects the fewer tests in a holiday weekend which isn't good really
Yeah, expected Waikato's to be similar to previous days, give or take a few. It's disappointing if people still are not taking this seriously enough not to get tested or vaxxed just because it will take time out of their long weekend. That sort of attitude, if it exists, spells disaster.
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:55 am
by Enzedder
And the Otorohanga mayor has just announced that they have 2 cases as well
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:05 am
by Tehui
Vaccine stats update:
Eligible population, at least 1 dose: 86%
Eligible population, 2 doses: 70%.
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:05 am
by Monkey Magic
Tehui wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:05 am
Vaccine stats update:
Eligible population, at least 1 dose: 86%
Eligible population, 2 doses: 70%.
Manukau DHB 87% first dose, Cobb and Co a long way off
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:42 am
by Fat Old Git
Was reported to day that people are coming in to be vaccinated who are terrified it will kill them. Misinformation on Facebook tue main culprit apparently.
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:47 am
by Eugenius
Unbelievable.
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:01 am
by Fat Old Git
On the plus side, at least they still came in. But there will be many more who won't have worked up the courage I'm sure.
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:19 am
by Eugenius
It’s tragic !
And will cost lives ultimately.
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:45 am
by Brabus
Nutters all, which is a problem because it means the message can be lost. I think that I have made myself clear that I do not think that making second class citizens is a viable way forward, my views are formed with a view to history, and not just the relativly new history espoused by those charlatans. Our reaction to a minority (a minority for whom a portion does not pose a threat) does not need to be overt. Mass public coercion at the behest of the state is fraught with dangers that we need to at least acknowledge. Again I am double vaccinated I encourage all to be so. I will show evidence in the near future to allow me to go about my life but I also acknowledge that those who aren't are not the enemy. It is really concerning just how quickly this world is turning to division once again.
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:53 am
by Brabus
Also the people that listen to the likes of Tamaki will only take any persecution as a sign of the end times. Any push back will simply entrench their beliefs, I was once of a similar mindset.
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:15 am
by Ted.
If you look second-class, act second-class and smell-second class, chances are you are second class.
I make no claims and cast no aspersions on those I have not seen, heard nor smelled.
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:17 am
by Brabus
Ted. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:15 am
If you look second-class, act second-class and smell-second class, chances are you are second class.
I make no claims and cast no aspersions on those I have not seen, heard nor smelled.
Savages then
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:29 am
by Fat Old Git
That is not a reason to give in to those beliefs though. Life is full of restrictions for both our and our communities protection.
I can choose not to be sober, but not while at work or while in charge of a vehicle. Ans there are a host of other public venues that will ask me to leave if I turn up intoxicated.
If I get a notifiable disease I'm required to isolate.
If I have poor eyesight I'm required to use some form of correction if I want to drive. If it's poor enough that correction doesn't meet a certain standard, I'm prohibited from being in charge of a vehicle.
I'm not allowed to practise dentistry on people unless I'm properly qualified.
I'm not allowed to wander into the ladies toilets.
I'm not allowed to drive at 160km/hr through the school yard.
Etc, etc, etc.
We're in the middle of a pandemic that is threatening lives and livelihoods. It's not unreasonable to expect that the consequences of not doing the right thing to protect yourself and your community should fall on those who have chosen to reject the science and the evidence. Not those doing the right thing.
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:37 am
by Brabus
Fat Old Git wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:29 am
That is not a reason to give in to those beliefs though. Life is full of restrictions for both our and our communities protection.
I can choose not to be sober, but not while at work or while in charge of a vehicle. Ans there are a host of other public venues that will ask me to leave if I turn up intoxicated.
If I get a notifiable disease I'm required to isolate.
If I have poor eyesight I'm required to use some form of correction if I want to drive. If it's poor enough that correction doesn't meet a certain standard, I'm prohibited from being in charge of a vehicle.
I'm not allowed to practise dentistry on people unless I'm properly qualified.
I'm not allowed to wander into the ladies toilets.
I'm not allowed to drive at 160km/hr through the school yard.
Etc, etc, etc.
We're in the middle of a pandemic that is threatening lives and livelihoods. It's not unreasonable to expect that the consequences of not doing the right thing to protect yourself and your community should fall on those who have chosen to reject the science and the evidence. Not those doing the right thing.
Absolutely, I got myself out of that life, but I still remember how I would have reacted and I can tell you that coercion will only drive people into their belief. To quote some movie some where "the more you tighten your grip the more will slip between your fingers"
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:42 am
by Brabus
Now my quote was from Star war's and I'm embarrassed to have to clarify that
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:53 am
by Brabus
The political class will always latch onto whichever cause best suits their interest
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:54 am
by jambanja
So Brabus, we have been informed that we need to get to 90% vaccinated in order to start easing up on restrictions, how do you suggest we achieve that without a “carrot” and if, because of hesitant people we don’t achieve that number are we to live in limbo for the rest of our lives?
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:03 am
by Enzedder
Brabus wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:53 am
The political class will always latch onto whichever cause best suits their interest
What about if the cause that suits their interest is the right way to go? Do you reject it because it comes from a politician (who will have been advised by scientists and doctors)?
How about people look at what's being proposed and why, and then decide rather than look for (specious?) reasons not to.
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:09 am
by Brabus
jambanja wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:54 am
So Brabus, we have been informed that we need to get to 90% vaccinated in order to start easing up on restrictions, how do you suggest we achieve that without a “carrot” and if, because of hesitant people we don’t achieve that number are we to live in limbo for the rest of our lives?
The point is not about compliance, It is about human interaction, what exactly are we prepared to sacrifice?
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:11 am
by Brabus
Enzedder wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:03 am
Brabus wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:53 am
The political class will always latch onto whichever cause best suits their interest
What about if the cause that suits their interest is the right way to go? Do you reject it because it comes from a politician (who will have been advised by scientists and doctors)?
How about people look at what's being proposed and why, and then decide rather than look for (specious?) reasons not to.
I am very simple in my outlook. I think division is bad,
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:37 am
by True Blue
NZ hasn't had a death in over two weeks despite the higher case numbers. Vaccination is certainly helping.
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:54 am
by jambanja
True Blue wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:37 am
NZ hasn't had a death in over two weeks despite the higher case numbers. Vaccination is certainly helping.
Interestingly the average age of those in hospital because of delta is 42, I’m willing to bet they’ll be unvaccinated
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:59 am
by jambanja
Brabus is Dave Dobbin
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:03 am
by Flockwitt
guy smiley wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:16 am
Brabus wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:09 am
jambanja wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:54 am
So Brabus, we have been informed that we need to get to 90% vaccinated in order to start easing up on restrictions, how do you suggest we achieve that without a “carrot” and if, because of hesitant people we don’t achieve that number are we to live in limbo for the rest of our lives?
The point is not about compliance, It is about human interaction, what exactly are we prepared to sacrifice?
It's not that simple.
In fact, reading that again as I reply, that's almost an offensive take.
Sacrifice? Talk to me about all of the genuinely health compromised people who are at risk through the refusal to vaccinate of a minority. Those people are at risk of being sacrificed for the selfish wants of the few.
This. We are getting vaccinated to protect the weak.
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:08 am
by Tehui
It was pleasing to read that there were 5,300 first doses administered to people yesterday. Every brick in the wall counts.
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:14 am
by Fat Old Git
Flockwitt wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:03 am
guy smiley wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:16 am
Brabus wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:09 am
jambanja wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:54 am
So Brabus, we have been informed that we need to get to 90% vaccinated in order to start easing up on restrictions, how do you suggest we achieve that without a “carrot” and if, because of hesitant people we don’t achieve that number are we to live in limbo for the rest of our lives?
The point is not about compliance, It is about human interaction, what exactly are we prepared to sacrifice?
It's not that simple.
In fact, reading that again as I reply, that's almost an offensive take.
Sacrifice? Talk to me about all of the genuinely health compromised people who are at risk through the refusal to vaccinate of a minority. Those people are at risk of being sacrificed for the selfish wants of the few.
This. We are getting vaccinated to protect the weak.
And our health service and people's livelihoods.
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:17 am
by booji boy
True Blue wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:37 am
NZ hasn't had a death in over two weeks despite the higher case numbers. Vaccination is certainly helping.
TBH I thought a very high percentage of the new cases to date are unvaccinated?
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:36 am
by Monkey Magic
booji boy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:17 am
True Blue wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:37 am
NZ hasn't had a death in over two weeks despite the higher case numbers. Vaccination is certainly helping.
TBH I thought a very high percentage of the new cases to date are unvaccinated?
Early on I put that down to how few people had been eligible long enough/vax numbers were so low. But think it is still holding at about 3% of total cases are fully vaccinated
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:55 am
by booji boy
Monkey Magic wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:36 am
booji boy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:17 am
True Blue wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:37 am
NZ hasn't had a death in over two weeks despite the higher case numbers. Vaccination is certainly helping.
TBH I thought a very high percentage of the new cases to date are unvaccinated?
Early on I put that down to how few people had been eligible long enough/vax numbers were so low. But think it is still holding at about 3% of total cases are fully vaccinated
Yeah so the low death rate, whilst still great news, is not because of the vaccination.
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:57 am
by Brabus
Enzedder wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:03 am
Brabus wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:53 am
The political class will always latch onto whichever cause best suits their interest
What about if the cause that suits their interest is the right way to go? Do you reject it because it comes from a politician (who will have been advised by scientists and doctors)?
How about people look at what's being proposed and why, and then decide rather than look for (specious?) reasons not to.
No I do not reject it, in fact I am onboard with it. I don't know how many times I need to say that I am double vaccinated and encourage everyone else to be so as well. I also know that there is such a thing as natural immunity and that a government certified document cannot tell us who is safe and who is not. Moreover we should not cede this distinction to anyone, Government or not. Demanding papers to participate in society is something that should be looked on with the utmost distain, power never gives itself up willingly.
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:58 am
by obelixtim
Brabus wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:09 am
jambanja wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:54 am
So Brabus, we have been informed that we need to get to 90% vaccinated in order to start easing up on restrictions, how do you suggest we achieve that without a “carrot” and if, because of hesitant people we don’t achieve that number are we to live in limbo for the rest of our lives?
The point is not about compliance, It is about human interaction, what exactly are we prepared to sacrifice?
At this point in time, the unvaccinated are not the enemy. The enemy are the anti vax loons actively spreading misinformation and counselling people not to get vaxxed. And the free dum brigade. You can't blame people who are far away from vaccination centres, or are medically at risk from the vax, or even those who are confused by the mixed messages they are getting.
Those actively promoting the anti vax message can eat the vax sandwich and take all the consequences that come with that. I hope they suffer.
Re: New Zealand...fvcked
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:09 am
by Brabus
obelixtim wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:58 am
Brabus wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:09 am
jambanja wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:54 am
So Brabus, we have been informed that we need to get to 90% vaccinated in order to start easing up on restrictions, how do you suggest we achieve that without a “carrot” and if, because of hesitant people we don’t achieve that number are we to live in limbo for the rest of our lives?
The point is not about compliance, It is about human interaction, what exactly are we prepared to sacrifice?
At this point in time, the unvaccinated are not the enemy. The enemy are the anti vax loons actively spreading misinformation and counselling people not to get vaxxed. And the free dum brigade. You can't blame people who are far away from vaccination centres, or are medically at risk from the vax, or even those who are confused by the mixed messages they are getting.
Those actively promoting the anti vax message can eat the vax sandwich and take all the consequences that come with that. I hope they suffer.
I have absolutely no time for the anti vax loons. You are however falling into a trap with the "free dum" rhetoric this will do nothing but cement their views.