I totally agree they are far away from being allowed to join and can't really ever seeing it happening but according to the EC they are still a candidate country to join, so hardly fake news.clementinfrance wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:53 pm Turkey is nowhere near joining the EU.
Apart from not meeting the majority of criteria needed to obtain membership there are also currently very high levels of tension between Tukey and EU member state Greece.
But hey let's not let facts get in the way of some good ol fake news...
What next for the European Union
Re: What next for the European Union
Re: What next for the European Union
I don't find it funny that you can't read. I find it sad.Magpie26 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:58 pmIts funny how some people cannot even read.The Sun God wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:51 pmIt's funny how people can mis-interpret pretty basic language.Magpie26 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:41 pmEU CommissionThe Sun God wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:28 pmWhere are you getting this Turkey shit from ? There is as much chance of them joining the EU as there is you getting a sense of humour !Magpie26 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:58 pm So the current candidates to replace the UK in the EU are: Turkey, North Macedonia, Montenegro, Albania and Serbia who are all sure to be net beneficiaries rather than net contributors.
The potential net contributors, Norway and Switzerland have said thanks but no thanks.
Where to next for the EU?
https://www.euractiv.com/section/global ... sion-says/
https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enla ... /turkey_en
Re: What next for the European Union
But stiltonMrDominator wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:47 pmThe point is, equities don't matter.EverReady wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:43 pm2019 Big DomMrDominator wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:34 pmEr...shereblue wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:33 am Look we really appreciate the self sacrifice of you guys. You were great in WW2. But now leaving Team EUrope, when blatantly against your own interests, is even more generous.
The latest piece of good news comes from Amsterdam. Only sorry you wonderful guys lose out.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/a ... r-BB1dAte4
The fEUture is rosy.![]()
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Someone who knows explains all here.

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Re: What next for the European Union
"Replacing the UK" was probably not the best way of formulating your point then....Magpie26 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:00 pmI totally agree they are far away from being allowed to join and can't really ever seeing it happening but according to the EC they are still a candidate country to join, so hardly fake news.clementinfrance wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:53 pm Turkey is nowhere near joining the EU.
Apart from not meeting the majority of criteria needed to obtain membership there are also currently very high levels of tension between Tukey and EU member state Greece.
But hey let's not let facts get in the way of some good ol fake news...
Re: What next for the European Union
Lad who sells sites without planning states equities dont matter
The list if things that dont matter grows daily in Pigdogistan
The list if things that dont matter grows daily in Pigdogistan
Re: What next for the European Union
Well without the UK, the EU is down to 27 members so who is going to replace them to get back up to 28 (or more)?clementinfrance wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:08 pm"Replacing the UK" was probably not the best way of formulating your point then....Magpie26 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:00 pmI totally agree they are far away from being allowed to join and can't really ever seeing it happening but according to the EC they are still a candidate country to join, so hardly fake news.clementinfrance wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:53 pm Turkey is nowhere near joining the EU.
Apart from not meeting the majority of criteria needed to obtain membership there are also currently very high levels of tension between Tukey and EU member state Greece.
But hey let's not let facts get in the way of some good ol fake news...
For me none of the EC candidates are really very likely, maybe Serbia?
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Re: What next for the European Union
I read pretty good. So no meaningful interaction since Sept 2016..... Gosh I wonder what might have happened in Turkey in the interim 5 years to cause such a cooling !!!Magpie26 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:58 pmIts funny how some people cannot even read.The Sun God wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:51 pmIt's funny how people can mis-interpret pretty basic language.Magpie26 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:41 pmEU CommissionThe Sun God wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:28 pmWhere are you getting this Turkey shit from ? There is as much chance of them joining the EU as there is you getting a sense of humour !Magpie26 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:58 pm So the current candidates to replace the UK in the EU are: Turkey, North Macedonia, Montenegro, Albania and Serbia who are all sure to be net beneficiaries rather than net contributors.
The potential net contributors, Norway and Switzerland have said thanks but no thanks.
Where to next for the EU?
https://www.euractiv.com/section/global ... sion-says/
https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enla ... /turkey_en
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Re: What next for the European Union
As I wrote above I don't seem them ever having a realistic chance of joining but they still remain a candidate country until the EC revokes this status.The Sun God wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:12 pmI read pretty good. So no meaningful interaction since Sept 2016..... Gosh I wonder what might have happened in Turkey in the interim 5 years to cause such a cooling !!!Magpie26 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:58 pmIts funny how some people cannot even read.The Sun God wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:51 pmIt's funny how people can mis-interpret pretty basic language.Magpie26 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:41 pmEU CommissionThe Sun God wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:28 pm
Where are you getting this Turkey shit from ? There is as much chance of them joining the EU as there is you getting a sense of humour !
https://www.euractiv.com/section/global ... sion-says/
https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enla ... /turkey_en
Re: What next for the European Union
shereblue wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:41 amI'm sure the extra Stilton sales in Japan will offset the £££ losses.bimboman wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:46 amshereblue wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:33 amLook we really appreciate the self sacrifice of you guys. You were great in WW2. But now leaving Team EUrope, when blatantly against your own interests, is even more generous.terryfinch wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:45 amJust a concerned neighbour. I am sure if your neighbour’s house was on fire you’d be concerned.
The latest piece of good news comes from Amsterdam. Only sorry you wonderful guys lose out.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/a ... r-BB1dAte4
The fEUture is rosy.![]()
Jobs lost ——- none
Jobs gained in Amsterdam —— none
Reroute electronically — some.
If the EU’s problems can be fixed like that![]()
On a separate note, I can now see that Trump's pro-Brexit stance did bring £££ gains to Chicago and his once beloved NYC (at the UK's expense).
Even if, like Biden, I personally would have wished (a different kind of) Britain to remain in the the EU.
What you can do Sherblue is explain what the losses are and how much they will be. Round numbers will be fine.
Off you go.
Re: What next for the European Union
Just in
First month report from Rosslare Europort.
France direct traffic up 440%
UK traffic down 50%.
(20 plus Amazon trucks per day coming in from Dunkirk)
First month report from Rosslare Europort.
France direct traffic up 440%
UK traffic down 50%.
(20 plus Amazon trucks per day coming in from Dunkirk)
Re: What next for the European Union
Ireland only has a 5m population
If you fit what 1000 deliveries per truck thats 20,000 deliveries on a 5 day working week (its a not a 5 day working week) thats 2% of ireland that gets a delivery every week.... from amazon alone.
Re: What next for the European Union
I guess it's all about diplomatic games. Turkey is a NATO ally right now, and they also contain part of the Syrian/Iraqi immigration. On the other hand, they are an adversary of Greece and there are more and more direct encrochments between them, and of France in Libya in particular.Magpie26 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:00 pmI totally agree they are far away from being allowed to join and can't really ever seeing it happening but according to the EC they are still a candidate country to join, so hardly fake news.clementinfrance wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:53 pm Turkey is nowhere near joining the EU.
Apart from not meeting the majority of criteria needed to obtain membership there are also currently very high levels of tension between Tukey and EU member state Greece.
But hey let's not let facts get in the way of some good ol fake news...
Turkey is trying to fill the US gap in the Middle East, between Iran and Russia, while trying to reassert their influence on the Mediteranee. Erdogan is trying to resurrect the old Ottoman sphere of influence and that clashes directly with the EU ambitions in the region.
Re: What next for the European Union
nardol wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:35 pmIreland only has a 5m population
If you fit what 1000 deliveries per truck thats 20,000 deliveries on a 5 day working week (its a not a 5 day working week) thats 2% of ireland that gets a delivery every week.... from amazon alone.
Yeah , I work for a business that loads and unloads over 80 trucks a day. “20” for a whole country is irrelevant.
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This is because post brexit the Euronext platform routes through Amsterdam not London (as its outside of the exchanges home competence).
It’s literally an electronic switch of venue on exchange platforms.
Anything else you take from it?
Re: What next for the European Union
Not for Ireland its not. New depots new port staff new customs staff. New jobs.bimboman wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:43 pmnardol wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:35 pmIreland only has a 5m population
If you fit what 1000 deliveries per truck thats 20,000 deliveries on a 5 day working week (its a not a 5 day working week) thats 2% of ireland that gets a delivery every week.... from amazon alone.
Yeah , I work for a business that loads and unloads over 80 trucks a day. “20” for a whole country is irrelevant.
Low population base small job increases can have a great benefit. Added plus is that its going to a region outside Dublin. Regional development!!!
Re: What next for the European Union
nardol wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:51 pmNot for Ireland its not. New depots new port staff new customs staff. New jobs.bimboman wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:43 pmnardol wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:35 pmIreland only has a 5m population
If you fit what 1000 deliveries per truck thats 20,000 deliveries on a 5 day working week (its a not a 5 day working week) thats 2% of ireland that gets a delivery every week.... from amazon alone.
Yeah , I work for a business that loads and unloads over 80 trucks a day. “20” for a whole country is irrelevant.
Low population base small job increases can have a great benefit. Added plus is that its going to a region outside Dublin. Regional development!!!
The population of a Ireland is larger than the local depot here where we manage more than these 20 trucks a day.
We employ 85 staff in the UK.
Regional development.

Re: What next for the European Union
I think this is very much the case and probably why the EU will not rescind Turkeys candidature unless things get totally out of hand.TheFrog wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:40 pmI guess it's all about diplomatic games. Turkey is a NATO ally right now, and they also contain part of the Syrian/Iraqi immigration. On the other hand, they are an adversary of Greece and there are more and more direct encrochments between them, and of France in Libya in particular.Magpie26 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:00 pmI totally agree they are far away from being allowed to join and can't really ever seeing it happening but according to the EC they are still a candidate country to join, so hardly fake news.clementinfrance wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:53 pm Turkey is nowhere near joining the EU.
Apart from not meeting the majority of criteria needed to obtain membership there are also currently very high levels of tension between Tukey and EU member state Greece.
But hey let's not let facts get in the way of some good ol fake news...
Turkey is trying to fill the US gap in the Middle East, between Iran and Russia, while trying to reassert their influence on the Mediteranee. Erdogan is trying to resurrect the old Ottoman sphere of influence and that clashes directly with the EU ambitions in the region.
Re: What next for the European Union
We are only talking Amazon here. 1 companies worth of imports.
And its 1,000 jobs they have announced.
https://www.aboutamazon.eu/press-releas ... in-ireland
And its 1,000 jobs they have announced.
https://www.aboutamazon.eu/press-releas ... in-ireland
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nardol wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:57 pm We are only talking Amazon here. 1 companies worth of imports.
And its 1,000 jobs they have announced.
https://www.aboutamazon.eu/press-releas ... in-ireland
They ain’t unloading trucks

Amazon expands its footprint in Ireland with new campus in Dublin, and continues to invest in people, infrastructure, and renewable energy projects
Re: What next for the European Union
So the company you work for that operates way more than 20 trucks...bimboman wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:01 pmnardol wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:57 pm We are only talking Amazon here. 1 companies worth of imports.
And its 1,000 jobs they have announced.
https://www.aboutamazon.eu/press-releas ... in-ireland
They ain’t unloading trucks![]()
Amazon expands its footprint in Ireland with new campus in Dublin, and continues to invest in people, infrastructure, and renewable energy projects
You're doing the unloading?
Re: What next for the European Union
"You've lost weight"MrDominator wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:20 pmI should have bought the Malahide franchise of Slimfast eh big lad.
Top bants
Re: What next for the European Union
nardol wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:15 pmSo the company you work for that operates way more than 20 trucks...bimboman wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:01 pmnardol wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:57 pm We are only talking Amazon here. 1 companies worth of imports.
And its 1,000 jobs they have announced.
https://www.aboutamazon.eu/press-releas ... in-ireland
They ain’t unloading trucks![]()
Amazon expands its footprint in Ireland with new campus in Dublin, and continues to invest in people, infrastructure, and renewable energy projects
You're doing the unloading?
We don’t “operate” trucks .....
We load and unload 80 plus a day across 2 UK sites and 3 European ones.
Locally we do between 25 and 45 a day.
I don’t personally unload.
Re: What next for the European Union
Genuine question to the anti-EU brigade.
The example of the USA taking over the world, expanding to a very successful economy, shows that a huge common market to boost domestic demand that supports your industry, combined with a huge amount of human resources to put to work, both on the development of future economy (research, development) and the production of the current economy, is key to a country becoming rich and delivering wealth to its citizens.
With the rise of hugely populous countries, like China, India and to a lesser extents a number of Asian countries, smaller European countries who are slowly losing the benefits of their former colonies as ties become loser, are facing fierce competition.
Would the USA be where they are if each State had gone its own way?
And can European countries, individually, maintain the current standards of life?
The example of the USA taking over the world, expanding to a very successful economy, shows that a huge common market to boost domestic demand that supports your industry, combined with a huge amount of human resources to put to work, both on the development of future economy (research, development) and the production of the current economy, is key to a country becoming rich and delivering wealth to its citizens.
With the rise of hugely populous countries, like China, India and to a lesser extents a number of Asian countries, smaller European countries who are slowly losing the benefits of their former colonies as ties become loser, are facing fierce competition.
Would the USA be where they are if each State had gone its own way?
And can European countries, individually, maintain the current standards of life?
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Re: What next for the European Union
I'd say the US benefited from a coherent single internal market aligned to a less than stellar approach to regulation, standards in safety and marketing, welfare and the relentless exploitation of human resource.TheFrog wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:21 pm Genuine question to the anti-EU brigade.
The example of the USA taking over the world, expanding to a very successful economy, shows that a huge common market to boost domestic demand that supports your industry, combined with a huge amount of human resources to put to work, both on the development of future economy (research, development) and the production of the current economy, is key to a country becoming rich and delivering wealth to its citizens.
With the rise of hugely populous countries, like China, India and to a lesser extents a number of Asian countries, smaller European countries who are slowly losing the benefits of their former colonies as ties become loser, are facing fierce competition.
Would the USA be where they are if each State had gone its own way?
And can European countries, individually, maintain the current standards of life?
The former is definitely a good thing for the EU to maintain, suspect the Tories would have more of the latter for the UK if they were left completely to it.
Re: What next for the European Union
The USA also gained freedom from another country trying to tell it what to do and pay for the privaledge. Somehow, it survived.inactionman wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:24 pmI'd say the US benefited from a coherent single internal market aligned to a less than stellar approach to regulation, standards in safety and marketing, welfare and the relentless exploitation of human resource.TheFrog wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:21 pm Genuine question to the anti-EU brigade.
The example of the USA taking over the world, expanding to a very successful economy, shows that a huge common market to boost domestic demand that supports your industry, combined with a huge amount of human resources to put to work, both on the development of future economy (research, development) and the production of the current economy, is key to a country becoming rich and delivering wealth to its citizens.
With the rise of hugely populous countries, like China, India and to a lesser extents a number of Asian countries, smaller European countries who are slowly losing the benefits of their former colonies as ties become loser, are facing fierce competition.
Would the USA be where they are if each State had gone its own way?
And can European countries, individually, maintain the current standards of life?
The former is definitely a good thing for the EU to maintain, suspect the Tories would have more of the latter for the UK if they were left completely to it.
Re: What next for the European Union
The question is more whether Virginia would be where it is today, without the United S of A.backrow wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:39 pmThe USA also gained freedom from another country trying to tell it what to do and pay for the privaledge. Somehow, it survived.inactionman wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:24 pmI'd say the US benefited from a coherent single internal market aligned to a less than stellar approach to regulation, standards in safety and marketing, welfare and the relentless exploitation of human resource.TheFrog wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:21 pm Genuine question to the anti-EU brigade.
The example of the USA taking over the world, expanding to a very successful economy, shows that a huge common market to boost domestic demand that supports your industry, combined with a huge amount of human resources to put to work, both on the development of future economy (research, development) and the production of the current economy, is key to a country becoming rich and delivering wealth to its citizens.
With the rise of hugely populous countries, like China, India and to a lesser extents a number of Asian countries, smaller European countries who are slowly losing the benefits of their former colonies as ties become loser, are facing fierce competition.
Would the USA be where they are if each State had gone its own way?
And can European countries, individually, maintain the current standards of life?
The former is definitely a good thing for the EU to maintain, suspect the Tories would have more of the latter for the UK if they were left completely to it.
And comparing the relationship between the UK and the EU, and that of the american colonies and the United Kingdom is disgeneous and inaccurate.
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I think the EU seeing itself as a nascent USA is part of the problem.TheFrog wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:21 pm Genuine question to the anti-EU brigade.
The example of the USA taking over the world, expanding to a very successful economy, shows that a huge common market to boost domestic demand that supports your industry, combined with a huge amount of human resources to put to work, both on the development of future economy (research, development) and the production of the current economy, is key to a country becoming rich and delivering wealth to its citizens.
With the rise of hugely populous countries, like China, India and to a lesser extents a number of Asian countries, smaller European countries who are slowly losing the benefits of their former colonies as ties become loser, are facing fierce competition.
Would the USA be where they are if each State had gone its own way?
And can European countries, individually, maintain the current standards of life?
Re: What next for the European Union
What would be the right compromise?Gospel wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:49 pmI think the EU seeing itself as a nascent USA is part of the problem.TheFrog wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:21 pm Genuine question to the anti-EU brigade.
The example of the USA taking over the world, expanding to a very successful economy, shows that a huge common market to boost domestic demand that supports your industry, combined with a huge amount of human resources to put to work, both on the development of future economy (research, development) and the production of the current economy, is key to a country becoming rich and delivering wealth to its citizens.
With the rise of hugely populous countries, like China, India and to a lesser extents a number of Asian countries, smaller European countries who are slowly losing the benefits of their former colonies as ties become loser, are facing fierce competition.
Would the USA be where they are if each State had gone its own way?
And can European countries, individually, maintain the current standards of life?
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Re: What next for the European Union
I'm not quite sure Brexit quite bears comparison to the American Revolutionary War, although I'd have quite liked our own version of the Boston Tea Party.backrow wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:39 pmThe USA also gained freedom from another country trying to tell it what to do and pay for the privaledge. Somehow, it survived.inactionman wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:24 pmI'd say the US benefited from a coherent single internal market aligned to a less than stellar approach to regulation, standards in safety and marketing, welfare and the relentless exploitation of human resource.TheFrog wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:21 pm Genuine question to the anti-EU brigade.
The example of the USA taking over the world, expanding to a very successful economy, shows that a huge common market to boost domestic demand that supports your industry, combined with a huge amount of human resources to put to work, both on the development of future economy (research, development) and the production of the current economy, is key to a country becoming rich and delivering wealth to its citizens.
With the rise of hugely populous countries, like China, India and to a lesser extents a number of Asian countries, smaller European countries who are slowly losing the benefits of their former colonies as ties become loser, are facing fierce competition.
Would the USA be where they are if each State had gone its own way?
And can European countries, individually, maintain the current standards of life?
The former is definitely a good thing for the EU to maintain, suspect the Tories would have more of the latter for the UK if they were left completely to it.
Re: What next for the European Union
What would you do? Dump your shares in the Thames?
Re: What next for the European Union
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Re: What next for the European Union
The problem is you have such glaring disparity between members and no re-balancing mechanism. COVID has just widened the gap even further.TheFrog wrote:What would be the right compromise?
Re: What next for the European Union
There was a lot of disparity in the new U S of A. Mind you, they also had a civil war in the build up process.
Re: What next for the European Union
This is what I see as one of the big issues with the EU as well.
I also see the principal of unanimity in a lot of the decision making as being problematic.
Re: What next for the European Union
I am minded to think of the UK's future. Even with huge fiscal transfers and devolved power it's probably not enough to keep it together for much longer simply because we have such a dominant member where England represents 85% of the entire UK population and there are no clear and obvious existential threats.
Re: What next for the European Union
Maybe you don't know, doubting Thomas, but Amazon are opening 2 distribution centres in Ireland.nardol wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:35 pmIreland only has a 5m population
If you fit what 1000 deliveries per truck thats 20,000 deliveries on a 5 day working week (its a not a 5 day working week) thats 2% of ireland that gets a delivery every week.... from amazon alone.
Or do you think they just magic the stock?