What next for the European Union

[Magpie26]

Turkey is nowhere near joining the EU.

Apart from not meeting the majority of criteria needed to obtain membership there are also currently very high levels of tension between Tukey and EU member state Greece.

But hey let's not let facts get in the way of some good ol fake news...

I totally agree they are far away from being allowed to join and can't really ever seeing it happening but according to the EC they are still a candidate country to join, so hardly fake news.

[Mullet 2]

So the current candidates to replace the UK in the EU are: Turkey, North Macedonia, Montenegro, Albania and Serbia who are all sure to be net beneficiaries rather than net contributors.
The potential net contributors, Norway and Switzerland have said thanks but no thanks.

Where to next for the EU?

Where are you getting this Turkey shit from ? There is as much chance of them joining the EU as there is you getting a sense of humour !

EU Commission

It's funny how people can mis-interpret pretty basic language.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/global ... sion-says/

Its funny how some people cannot even read.
https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enla ... /turkey_en

I don't find it funny that you can't read. I find it sad.

[shereblue]

Look we really appreciate the self sacrifice of you guys. You were great in WW2. But now leaving Team EUrope, when blatantly against your own interests, is even more generous.

The latest piece of good news comes from Amsterdam. Only sorry you wonderful guys lose out.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/a ... r-BB1dAte4

The fEUture is rosy.

Er...

2019 Big Dom

The point is, equities don't matter.

Someone who knows explains all here.

But stilton

[clementinfrance]

Turkey is nowhere near joining the EU.

Apart from not meeting the majority of criteria needed to obtain membership there are also currently very high levels of tension between Tukey and EU member state Greece.

But hey let's not let facts get in the way of some good ol fake news...

I totally agree they are far away from being allowed to join and can't really ever seeing it happening but according to the EC they are still a candidate country to join, so hardly fake news.

"Replacing the UK" was probably not the best way of formulating your point then....

[Mullet 2]

Lad who sells sites without planning states equities dont matter

The list if things that dont matter grows daily in Pigdogistan

[Magpie26]

Turkey is nowhere near joining the EU.

Apart from not meeting the majority of criteria needed to obtain membership there are also currently very high levels of tension between Tukey and EU member state Greece.

But hey let's not let facts get in the way of some good ol fake news...

I totally agree they are far away from being allowed to join and can't really ever seeing it happening but according to the EC they are still a candidate country to join, so hardly fake news.

"Replacing the UK" was probably not the best way of formulating your point then....

Well without the UK, the EU is down to 27 members so who is going to replace them to get back up to 28 (or more)?
For me none of the EC candidates are really very likely, maybe Serbia?

[The Sun God]

So the current candidates to replace the UK in the EU are: Turkey, North Macedonia, Montenegro, Albania and Serbia who are all sure to be net beneficiaries rather than net contributors.
The potential net contributors, Norway and Switzerland have said thanks but no thanks.

Where to next for the EU?

Where are you getting this Turkey shit from ? There is as much chance of them joining the EU as there is you getting a sense of humour !

EU Commission

It's funny how people can mis-interpret pretty basic language.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/global ... sion-says/

Its funny how some people cannot even read.
https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enla ... /turkey_en

I read pretty good. So no meaningful interaction since Sept 2016..... Gosh I wonder what might have happened in Turkey in the interim 5 years to cause such a cooling !!!

[MrDominator]

Lad who sells sites without planning states equities dont matter

The list if things that dont matter grows daily in Pigdogistan

I should have bought the Malahide franchise of Slimfast eh big lad.

[Magpie26]

Where are you getting this Turkey shit from ? There is as much chance of them joining the EU as there is you getting a sense of humour !

EU Commission

It's funny how people can mis-interpret pretty basic language.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/global ... sion-says/

Its funny how some people cannot even read.
https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enla ... /turkey_en

I read pretty good. So no meaningful interaction since Sept 2016..... Gosh I wonder what might have happened in Turkey in the interim 5 years to cause such a cooling !!!

As I wrote above I don't seem them ever having a realistic chance of joining but they still remain a candidate country until the EC revokes this status.

[bimboman]

Still talking about us I see

Just a concerned neighbour. I am sure if your neighbour’s house was on fire you’d be concerned.

Look we really appreciate the self sacrifice of you guys. You were great in WW2. But now leaving Team EUrope, when blatantly against your own interests, is even more generous.

The latest piece of good news comes from Amsterdam. Only sorry you wonderful guys lose out.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/a ... r-BB1dAte4

The fEUture is rosy.

Jobs lost ——- none

Jobs gained in Amsterdam —— none

Reroute electronically — some.

If the EU’s problems can be fixed like that

I'm sure the extra Stilton sales in Japan will offset the £££ losses.

On a separate note, I can now see that Trump's pro-Brexit stance did bring £££ gains to Chicago and his once beloved NYC (at the UK's expense).

Even if, like Biden, I personally would have wished (a different kind of) Britain to remain in the the EU.

What you can do Sherblue is explain what the losses are and how much they will be. Round numbers will be fine.



Off you go.

[Trostan]

Just in
First month report from Rosslare Europort.
France direct traffic up 440%
UK traffic down 50%.
(20 plus Amazon trucks per day coming in from Dunkirk)

[bimboman]

Just in
First month report from Rosslare Europort.
France direct traffic up 440%
UK traffic down 50%.
(20 plus Amazon trucks per day coming in from Dunkirk)

Good news for everyone.


Especially the Irish paying more for their imports,

“20” trucks a day.

[nardol]

Just in
First month report from Rosslare Europort.
France direct traffic up 440%
UK traffic down 50%.
(20 plus Amazon trucks per day coming in from Dunkirk)

Good news for everyone.


Especially the Irish paying more for their imports,

“20” trucks a day.

Ireland only has a 5m population

If you fit what 1000 deliveries per truck thats 20,000 deliveries on a 5 day working week (its a not a 5 day working week) thats 2% of ireland that gets a delivery every week.... from amazon alone.

[TheFrog]

Turkey is nowhere near joining the EU.

Apart from not meeting the majority of criteria needed to obtain membership there are also currently very high levels of tension between Tukey and EU member state Greece.

But hey let's not let facts get in the way of some good ol fake news...

I totally agree they are far away from being allowed to join and can't really ever seeing it happening but according to the EC they are still a candidate country to join, so hardly fake news.

I guess it's all about diplomatic games. Turkey is a NATO ally right now, and they also contain part of the Syrian/Iraqi immigration. On the other hand, they are an adversary of Greece and there are more and more direct encrochments between them, and of France in Libya in particular.

Turkey is trying to fill the US gap in the Middle East, between Iran and Russia, while trying to reassert their influence on the Mediteranee. Erdogan is trying to resurrect the old Ottoman sphere of influence and that clashes directly with the EU ambitions in the region.

[bimboman]

Just in
First month report from Rosslare Europort.
France direct traffic up 440%
UK traffic down 50%.
(20 plus Amazon trucks per day coming in from Dunkirk)

Good news for everyone.


Especially the Irish paying more for their imports,

“20” trucks a day.

Ireland only has a 5m population

If you fit what 1000 deliveries per truck thats 20,000 deliveries on a 5 day working week (its a not a 5 day working week) thats 2% of ireland that gets a delivery every week.... from amazon alone.

Yeah , I work for a business that loads and unloads over 80 trucks a day. “20” for a whole country is irrelevant.

[nardol]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ing-hub-ft

[bimboman]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ing-hub-ft

This is because post brexit the Euronext platform routes through Amsterdam not London (as its outside of the exchanges home competence).

It’s literally an electronic switch of venue on exchange platforms.

Anything else you take from it?

[nardol]

Just in
First month report from Rosslare Europort.
France direct traffic up 440%
UK traffic down 50%.
(20 plus Amazon trucks per day coming in from Dunkirk)

Good news for everyone.


Especially the Irish paying more for their imports,

“20” trucks a day.

Ireland only has a 5m population

If you fit what 1000 deliveries per truck thats 20,000 deliveries on a 5 day working week (its a not a 5 day working week) thats 2% of ireland that gets a delivery every week.... from amazon alone.

Yeah , I work for a business that loads and unloads over 80 trucks a day. “20” for a whole country is irrelevant.

Not for Ireland its not. New depots new port staff new customs staff. New jobs.

Low population base small job increases can have a great benefit. Added plus is that its going to a region outside Dublin. Regional development!!!

[bimboman]

Just in
First month report from Rosslare Europort.
France direct traffic up 440%
UK traffic down 50%.
(20 plus Amazon trucks per day coming in from Dunkirk)

Good news for everyone.


Especially the Irish paying more for their imports,

“20” trucks a day.

Ireland only has a 5m population

If you fit what 1000 deliveries per truck thats 20,000 deliveries on a 5 day working week (its a not a 5 day working week) thats 2% of ireland that gets a delivery every week.... from amazon alone.

Yeah , I work for a business that loads and unloads over 80 trucks a day. “20” for a whole country is irrelevant.

Not for Ireland its not. New depots new port staff new customs staff. New jobs.

Low population base small job increases can have a great benefit. Added plus is that its going to a region outside Dublin. Regional development!!!

The population of a Ireland is larger than the local depot here where we manage more than these 20 trucks a day.

We employ 85 staff in the UK.

Regional development.

[Magpie26]

Turkey is nowhere near joining the EU.

Apart from not meeting the majority of criteria needed to obtain membership there are also currently very high levels of tension between Tukey and EU member state Greece.

But hey let's not let facts get in the way of some good ol fake news...

I totally agree they are far away from being allowed to join and can't really ever seeing it happening but according to the EC they are still a candidate country to join, so hardly fake news.

I guess it's all about diplomatic games. Turkey is a NATO ally right now, and they also contain part of the Syrian/Iraqi immigration. On the other hand, they are an adversary of Greece and there are more and more direct encrochments between them, and of France in Libya in particular.

Turkey is trying to fill the US gap in the Middle East, between Iran and Russia, while trying to reassert their influence on the Mediteranee. Erdogan is trying to resurrect the old Ottoman sphere of influence and that clashes directly with the EU ambitions in the region.

I think this is very much the case and probably why the EU will not rescind Turkeys candidature unless things get totally out of hand.

[nardol]

We are only talking Amazon here. 1 companies worth of imports.


And its 1,000 jobs they have announced.

https://www.aboutamazon.eu/press-releas ... in-ireland

[bimboman]

We are only talking Amazon here. 1 companies worth of imports.


And its 1,000 jobs they have announced.

https://www.aboutamazon.eu/press-releas ... in-ireland

They ain’t unloading trucks

Amazon expands its footprint in Ireland with new campus in Dublin, and continues to invest in people, infrastructure, and renewable energy projects

[nardol]

We are only talking Amazon here. 1 companies worth of imports.


And its 1,000 jobs they have announced.

https://www.aboutamazon.eu/press-releas ... in-ireland

They ain’t unloading trucks

Amazon expands its footprint in Ireland with new campus in Dublin, and continues to invest in people, infrastructure, and renewable energy projects

So the company you work for that operates way more than 20 trucks...


You're doing the unloading?

[Mullet 2]

Lad who sells sites without planning states equities dont matter

The list if things that dont matter grows daily in Pigdogistan

I should have bought the Malahide franchise of Slimfast eh big lad.

"You've lost weight"

Top bants

[bimboman]

We are only talking Amazon here. 1 companies worth of imports.


And its 1,000 jobs they have announced.

https://www.aboutamazon.eu/press-releas ... in-ireland

They ain’t unloading trucks

Amazon expands its footprint in Ireland with new campus in Dublin, and continues to invest in people, infrastructure, and renewable energy projects

So the company you work for that operates way more than 20 trucks...


You're doing the unloading?

We don’t “operate” trucks .....

We load and unload 80 plus a day across 2 UK sites and 3 European ones.

Locally we do between 25 and 45 a day.

I don’t personally unload.

[TheFrog]

Genuine question to the anti-EU brigade.

The example of the USA taking over the world, expanding to a very successful economy, shows that a huge common market to boost domestic demand that supports your industry, combined with a huge amount of human resources to put to work, both on the development of future economy (research, development) and the production of the current economy, is key to a country becoming rich and delivering wealth to its citizens.

With the rise of hugely populous countries, like China, India and to a lesser extents a number of Asian countries, smaller European countries who are slowly losing the benefits of their former colonies as ties become loser, are facing fierce competition.

Would the USA be where they are if each State had gone its own way?

And can European countries, individually, maintain the current standards of life?

[inactionman]

Genuine question to the anti-EU brigade.

The example of the USA taking over the world, expanding to a very successful economy, shows that a huge common market to boost domestic demand that supports your industry, combined with a huge amount of human resources to put to work, both on the development of future economy (research, development) and the production of the current economy, is key to a country becoming rich and delivering wealth to its citizens.

With the rise of hugely populous countries, like China, India and to a lesser extents a number of Asian countries, smaller European countries who are slowly losing the benefits of their former colonies as ties become loser, are facing fierce competition.

Would the USA be where they are if each State had gone its own way?

And can European countries, individually, maintain the current standards of life?

I'd say the US benefited from a coherent single internal market aligned to a less than stellar approach to regulation, standards in safety and marketing, welfare and the relentless exploitation of human resource.

The former is definitely a good thing for the EU to maintain, suspect the Tories would have more of the latter for the UK if they were left completely to it.

[backrow]

Genuine question to the anti-EU brigade.

The example of the USA taking over the world, expanding to a very successful economy, shows that a huge common market to boost domestic demand that supports your industry, combined with a huge amount of human resources to put to work, both on the development of future economy (research, development) and the production of the current economy, is key to a country becoming rich and delivering wealth to its citizens.

With the rise of hugely populous countries, like China, India and to a lesser extents a number of Asian countries, smaller European countries who are slowly losing the benefits of their former colonies as ties become loser, are facing fierce competition.

Would the USA be where they are if each State had gone its own way?

And can European countries, individually, maintain the current standards of life?

I'd say the US benefited from a coherent single internal market aligned to a less than stellar approach to regulation, standards in safety and marketing, welfare and the relentless exploitation of human resource.

The former is definitely a good thing for the EU to maintain, suspect the Tories would have more of the latter for the UK if they were left completely to it.

The USA also gained freedom from another country trying to tell it what to do and pay for the privaledge. Somehow, it survived.

[TheFrog]

Genuine question to the anti-EU brigade.

The example of the USA taking over the world, expanding to a very successful economy, shows that a huge common market to boost domestic demand that supports your industry, combined with a huge amount of human resources to put to work, both on the development of future economy (research, development) and the production of the current economy, is key to a country becoming rich and delivering wealth to its citizens.

With the rise of hugely populous countries, like China, India and to a lesser extents a number of Asian countries, smaller European countries who are slowly losing the benefits of their former colonies as ties become loser, are facing fierce competition.

Would the USA be where they are if each State had gone its own way?

And can European countries, individually, maintain the current standards of life?

I'd say the US benefited from a coherent single internal market aligned to a less than stellar approach to regulation, standards in safety and marketing, welfare and the relentless exploitation of human resource.

The former is definitely a good thing for the EU to maintain, suspect the Tories would have more of the latter for the UK if they were left completely to it.

The USA also gained freedom from another country trying to tell it what to do and pay for the privaledge. Somehow, it survived.

The question is more whether Virginia would be where it is today, without the United S of A.

And comparing the relationship between the UK and the EU, and that of the american colonies and the United Kingdom is disgeneous and inaccurate.

[Gospel]

Genuine question to the anti-EU brigade.

The example of the USA taking over the world, expanding to a very successful economy, shows that a huge common market to boost domestic demand that supports your industry, combined with a huge amount of human resources to put to work, both on the development of future economy (research, development) and the production of the current economy, is key to a country becoming rich and delivering wealth to its citizens.

With the rise of hugely populous countries, like China, India and to a lesser extents a number of Asian countries, smaller European countries who are slowly losing the benefits of their former colonies as ties become loser, are facing fierce competition.

Would the USA be where they are if each State had gone its own way?

And can European countries, individually, maintain the current standards of life?

I think the EU seeing itself as a nascent USA is part of the problem.

[TheFrog]

Genuine question to the anti-EU brigade.

The example of the USA taking over the world, expanding to a very successful economy, shows that a huge common market to boost domestic demand that supports your industry, combined with a huge amount of human resources to put to work, both on the development of future economy (research, development) and the production of the current economy, is key to a country becoming rich and delivering wealth to its citizens.

With the rise of hugely populous countries, like China, India and to a lesser extents a number of Asian countries, smaller European countries who are slowly losing the benefits of their former colonies as ties become loser, are facing fierce competition.

Would the USA be where they are if each State had gone its own way?

And can European countries, individually, maintain the current standards of life?

I think the EU seeing itself as a nascent USA is part of the problem.

What would be the right compromise?

[inactionman]

Genuine question to the anti-EU brigade.

The example of the USA taking over the world, expanding to a very successful economy, shows that a huge common market to boost domestic demand that supports your industry, combined with a huge amount of human resources to put to work, both on the development of future economy (research, development) and the production of the current economy, is key to a country becoming rich and delivering wealth to its citizens.

With the rise of hugely populous countries, like China, India and to a lesser extents a number of Asian countries, smaller European countries who are slowly losing the benefits of their former colonies as ties become loser, are facing fierce competition.

Would the USA be where they are if each State had gone its own way?

And can European countries, individually, maintain the current standards of life?

I'd say the US benefited from a coherent single internal market aligned to a less than stellar approach to regulation, standards in safety and marketing, welfare and the relentless exploitation of human resource.

The former is definitely a good thing for the EU to maintain, suspect the Tories would have more of the latter for the UK if they were left completely to it.

The USA also gained freedom from another country trying to tell it what to do and pay for the privaledge. Somehow, it survived.

I'm not quite sure Brexit quite bears comparison to the American Revolutionary War, although I'd have quite liked our own version of the Boston Tea Party.

[Mullet 2]

What would you do? Dump your shares in the Thames?

[Trostan]

Just in
First month report from Rosslare Europort.
France direct traffic up 440%
UK traffic down 50%.
(20 plus Amazon trucks per day coming in from Dunkirk)

Good news for everyone.


Especially the Irish paying more for their imports,

“20” trucks a day.

Check RTE Radio One "News at One" podcast today
I don't think the General Manager of Rosslare Europort interview could make you look any more stupid than you are.

[inactionman]

What would you do? Dump your shares in the Thames?

Not sure if should be camembert or sauerkraut used to bung up the exit of the channel tunnel.

[Gospel]

What would be the right compromise?

The problem is you have such glaring disparity between members and no re-balancing mechanism. COVID has just widened the gap even further.

[TheFrog]

What would be the right compromise?

The problem is you have such glaring disparity between members and no re-balancing mechanism. COVID has just widened the gap even further.

There was a lot of disparity in the new U S of A. Mind you, they also had a civil war in the build up process.

[Magpie26]

What would be the right compromise?

The problem is you have such glaring disparity between members and no re-balancing mechanism. COVID has just widened the gap even further.

This is what I see as one of the big issues with the EU as well.

I also see the principal of unanimity in a lot of the decision making as being problematic.

[Gospel]

What would be the right compromise?

The problem is you have such glaring disparity between members and no re-balancing mechanism. COVID has just widened the gap even further.

There was a lot of disparity in the new U S of A. Mind you, they also had a civil war in the build up process.

I am minded to think of the UK's future. Even with huge fiscal transfers and devolved power it's probably not enough to keep it together for much longer simply because we have such a dominant member where England represents 85% of the entire UK population and there are no clear and obvious existential threats.

[Trostan]

Just in
First month report from Rosslare Europort.
France direct traffic up 440%
UK traffic down 50%.
(20 plus Amazon trucks per day coming in from Dunkirk)

Good news for everyone.


Especially the Irish paying more for their imports,

“20” trucks a day.

Ireland only has a 5m population

If you fit what 1000 deliveries per truck thats 20,000 deliveries on a 5 day working week (its a not a 5 day working week) thats 2% of ireland that gets a delivery every week.... from amazon alone.

Maybe you don't know, doubting Thomas, but Amazon are opening 2 distribution centres in Ireland.
Or do you think they just magic the stock?