23 seconds from ‘have a word’ to ‘time on’

[eldanielfire]

How long does it take to tell 14 professional rugby players with an average over 200 professional games each not to break the laws of the game? Less than six seconds....

We moan about refs not having a feel for the game - how about players.

Agreed, even tough I think the ref was harsh with the time. It doesn't need a speech, it requires a Martin Johnson like "Ref says stop f#cking infringing or else!"

But Farrell has shown himself to be a poor captain before anyway. Interesting in Scum V there is some implication that the Welsh players look at referee tendencies and play tp them. I think Biggar pulled this same trick with the same referee before.

[C69]

I see the ref has admitted he got the 2 tries wrong.
Good on him, but it's not going to stop the braying Gammons crying their eyes out is it.

[Edinburgh01]

I see the ref has admitted he got the 2 tries wrong.
Good on him, but it's not going to stop the braying Gammons crying their eyes out is it.

Pretty much what sensible posters have been saying.

“From the moment when the referee says ‘time on’ the game can recommence,” Jutge explained. “Except that it was on him [Gauzere] to make sure the English had had material time to reorganise themselves, because it was him who had asked the captain to speak to his players.”

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rug ... l-19938253

[C69]

I see the ref has admitted he got the 2 tries wrong.
Good on him, but it's not going to stop the braying Gammons crying their eyes out is it.

Pretty much what sensible posters have been saying.

“From the moment when the referee says ‘time on’ the game can recommence,” Jutge explained. “Except that it was on him [Gauzere] to make sure the English had had material time to reorganise themselves, because it was him who had asked the captain to speak to his players.”

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rug ... l-19938253

Time to forget about it, stop laughing and move on.
England were comprehensively beaten in this game and in their last loss.
They need to take their medicine and be honest about their failings.

[message #2527204]

I see the ref has admitted he got the 2 tries wrong.
Good on him, but it's not going to stop the braying Gammons crying their eyes out is it.

So you think England should call a press conference to point out that gauzere admits he was wrong, we'll call it "the Welsh way"?
Or do you think, like normal supporters, that the game is over and no amount of publicity will change the scoreline?

[eldanielfire]

Was it George Ford's fault? Not because Ford was out jumped.

Interesting angel from Squidge. He got more footage of the incident. He says the TV footage made it look worse due to cut aways. However, the reason why England players where so bunched up was not because Farrell called them in to talk after the ref, but it was because Ford called them in for a tactical talk when the ref called Farrell over. They were already spreading out after Faz's chat slowly when the ref called time on. I think they thought it was going to be a kick to lineout. But the England players on the right did get into position. It was those on the left who were far slower. Should they have jogged into defensive position?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6rIMLowoJI

[DragsterDriver]

The England players were thick as shit, absolutely at fault.

Biggar was superb in both thought and execution.

None of which excuses the ref though, completely negligent.

[DOB]

On watching the Squidge clip, I have to say I agree with him; The England huddle had broken up and players were walking back into position. Gauzere and Biggar are both watching the England players walking around. It's Watson's job there to get back into his position quickly, the way May and the players on the other side did. If he jogged back as soon as the huddle was over, instead of walking aimlessly around under the posts, then Biggar wouldn't have taken his kick. It's also Farrell's job to clarify with the ref, "is he kicking for posts, sir? Has he nominated, sir?" Just by asking that question out loud, it would have put the hurry-up on his players to get into position. It's nothing like Ireland v SA, where John Smit literally still had his back turned to Honiss.


I still disagree on the Williams try. If the ball hadn't hit Slade's leg it would have been "backwards, play on" and nobody would have looked at it twice.

[eldanielfire]

I disagree with him on the Williams try. If the ball hadn't hit Slade's leg it would have been "backwards, play on" and nobody would have looked at it twice.

I do see however that it's areal grey area with some contradicting statements in the laws. IMO if it goes backwards it should never be regarded as a knock-on. In other situations there can potentially be a case where the "under control" aspect will be dubious as well and a matter of opinion.

[DOB]

I disagree with him on the Williams try. If the ball hadn't hit Slade's leg it would have been "backwards, play on" and nobody would have looked at it twice.

I do see however that it's areal grey area with some contradicting statements in the laws. IMO if it goes backwards it should never be regarded as a knock-on. In other situations there can potentially be a case where the "under control" aspect will be dubious as well and a matter of opinion.

This, exactly. And if this sentence needs to be included in the laws, then so be it.

[Mullet 2]

https://twitter.com/andrewfrugby/status ... 30464?s=24

[iarmhiman]

https://twitter.com/andrewfrugby/status ... 30464?s=24

[eldanielfire]

https://twitter.com/andrewfrugby/status ... 30464?s=24

So good it even has it's own topic:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=101020

Though to be fair it probably could have been posted in here.

[Jeff the Bear]

Was it George Ford's fault? Not because Ford was out jumped.

Interesting angel from Squidge. He got more footage of the incident. He says the TV footage made it look worse due to cut aways. However, the reason why England players where so bunched up was not because Farrell called them in to talk after the ref, but it was because Ford called them in for a tactical talk when the ref called Farrell over. They were already spreading out after Faz's chat slowly when the ref called time on. I think they thought it was going to be a kick to lineout. But the England players on the right did get into position. It was those on the left who were far slower. Should they have jogged into defensive position?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6rIMLowoJI

What a beautiful video. Once and for all proving that the first try was exclusively due to English shithousery.

It's Gauzere I feel sorry for, as he's been hung out to dry as an escape goat when he did nothing wrong.

[farmerdave]

Was it George Ford's fault? Not because Ford was out jumped.

Interesting angel from Squidge. He got more footage of the incident. He says the TV footage made it look worse due to cut aways. However, the reason why England players where so bunched up was not because Farrell called them in to talk after the ref, but it was because Ford called them in for a tactical talk when the ref called Farrell over. They were already spreading out after Faz's chat slowly when the ref called time on. I think they thought it was going to be a kick to lineout. But the England players on the right did get into position. It was those on the left who were far slower. Should they have jogged into defensive position?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6rIMLowoJI

That was spot on for both decisions. The knock on, definitely grey, not a certainty,Wales get the rub. The huddle, heaps of time unless you're a tortoise.
I've only seen the extended highlights and one of biggest impressions was that England were slow moving all day. Someone above mentioned "feel for the game" and maybe subconsciously both the ref and Wales felt that from England.

[eldanielfire]

That was spot on for both decisions. The knock on, definitely grey, not a certainty,Wales get the rub. The huddle, heaps of time unless you're a tortoise.
I've only seen the extended highlights and one of biggest impressions was that England were slow moving all day. Someone above mentioned "feel for the game" and maybe subconsciously both the ref and Wales felt that from England.

England players lack "a feel for the game" has now been a bit of a historic issue. As I said at least back to the Johnson era. I thought Jones had cracked it a bit but even in 2019, but England England can't turn games around and win when they go behind. Jones just worked out have a plan to get ahead early. But when it doesn't work, England go nowhere. Jones appears to have just given up solving the problem and creating work arounds.

I wonder if it's an issue with the culture of English rugby right up across the grassroots? Farrell being the epitome of functional, physical but robotic players the system throws up. Interesting though Squidge points out how Ford does read the game well and responds, but often doesn't always have his team mates with options around him.

[Jeff the Bear]

I wonder how many posters who got it completely wrong will admit it?

[Gwenno]

I wonder how many posters who got it completely wrong will admit it?

I’m too stingy to pay to read the Torygraph article that Squidge hints about what Gauzere actually said in his ‘admission’.

[Frodder]

I wonder how many posters who got it completely wrong will admit it?

Tbf not many are complaining about the Adams try but they've got every right for Sanjay's. They can have our BP back

[C69]

I wonder how many posters who got it completely wrong will admit it?

Tbf not many are complaining about the Adams try but they've got every right for Sanjay's. They can have our BP back

Can we have the 5 or 6 Itoje pens the ref missed and a posthumous yellow for their useless lump of a second roll after he took a player out?

No basically, however the extended highlights showed that the opposite side of the field's players were cornwr flagging unlile Watson.
If Watson had moved to his wimg lile May did then no try.
But he sauntered over without a care in the World.

Well until the try was scored.
Farrell's cross kick against Edinburgh was very similar tbh.

[Hawk97]

Look at you cünts. It's literally just the Welsh discussing this now and gloating amongst themselves

It's cool, you deserved to win

[AND-y]

Of course we are gloating, what's the point of this ridiculous sport otherwise

[Hawk97]

what's the point of this ridiculous sport

I've been asking that for a while.

[Jeff the Bear]

Look at you cünts. It's literally just the Welsh discussing this now and gloating amongst themselves

By the look of C69's spelling and grammar, not only are we still gloating, but we are also still drinking

[AND-y]

what's the point of this ridiculous sport

I've been asking that for a while.

I think once you start seeing pro sport as a load of grown men and women competing in childrens games that we get weirdly invested in it all becomes clearer.

[C69]

Look at you cünts. It's literally just the Welsh discussing this now and gloating amongst themselves

By the look of C69's spelling and grammar, not only are we still gloating, but we are also still drinking

Typos ffs on my phone. Good job that I have secretarial support in work to do my letters lol.
However I am still very pleased

[LandOTurk]

I wonder how many posters who got it completely wrong will admit it?

Tbf not many are complaining about the Adams try but they've got every right for Sanjay's. They can have our BP back

Can we have the 5 or 6 Itoje pens the ref missed and a posthumous yellow for their useless lump of a second roll after he took a player out?

No basically, however the extended highlights showed that the opposite side of the field's players were cornwr flagging unlile Watson.
If Watson had moved to his wimg lile May did then no try.
But he sauntered over without a care in the World.

Well until the try was scored.
Farrell's cross kick against Edinburgh was very similar tbh.

It was Daly who moved out widest, but still point is fair.

[cubby boi]

Some key points that the English media have failed to cover

1. England team were already switched off and in a huddle before Farrell came to give the instruction

2. With the team already in a huddle, it takes 5 seconds to tell the team to stop the pens or further sanctions will come.

3. The rest of the time was spent resting, drinking water and receiving instructions from Eddie. Farrell and England were taking liberties here. This is a fact.

4. The ref and Wales were clearly agitated to restart if anyone on the English side was paying any attention.

[cubby boi]

Some key points that the English media have failed to cover

1. England team were already switched off and in a huddle before Farrell came to give the instruction

2. With the team already in a huddle, it takes 5 seconds to tell the team to stop the pens or further sanctions will come.

3. The rest of the time was spent resting, drinking water and receiving instructions from Eddie. Farrell and England were taking liberties here. This is a fact.

4. The ref and Wales were clearly agitated to restart if anyone on the English side was paying any attention.

5. The ref allowing the try clearly played on his mind when refusing to deal out cards to England later in the game

[eldanielfire]

I wonder how many posters who got it completely wrong will admit it?

Tbf not many are complaining about the Adams try but they've got every right for Sanjay's. They can have our BP back

Can we have the 5 or 6 Itoje pens the ref missed and a posthumous yellow for their useless lump of a second roll after he took a player out?

No basically, however the extended highlights showed that the opposite side of the field's players were cornwr flagging unlile Watson.
If Watson had moved to his wimg lile May did then no try.
But he sauntered over without a care in the World.

Well until the try was scored.
Farrell's cross kick against Edinburgh was very similar tbh.

It was Daly who moved out widest, but still point is fair.

Given Daly's inability to jump well for high balls Biggar's kick to try would have still worked on the other side with Daly there.

[Grandpa]

Word has it that Farrell said to his group of players... "...forget what the ref said,... just be wary of a quick tap from the cheating filthy Welsh... remember what they did last time they were in this posi...."

[eldanielfire]

Word has it that Farrell said to his group of players... "...forget what the ref said,... just be wary of a quick tap from the cheating filthy Welsh... remember what they did last time they were in this posi...."

[AND-y]

Word has it that Farrell said to his group of players... "...forget what the ref said,... just be wary of a quick tap from the cheating filthy Welsh... remember what they did last time they were in this posi...."

[PCPhil]

With a few exceptions England rugby teams and their players are a bit thick. Historically it was the Scots that only had to use more than 5% of their brain power to leave our products of high educational institutions looking stupid. It's the Welsh these days.