Nige: 'England were robbed'

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The best ref in the world speaks:

On Try 1:
The first came on 16 minutes when fly-half Dan Biggar put in a pinpoint cross-kick for winger Adams to score out on the left.

That provoked a furious response from England captain Owen Farrell who argued with referee Pascal Gauzere that his team hadn’t been given sufficient time to re-set after Farrell had passed on a warning to them about too many penalties.

But Gauzere rejected Farrell’s complaints and awarded the try.

Giving his thoughts, Welshman Owens said: “It’s an interesting one.

“The referee clearly says ‘Time on’, so then Biggar is quite entitled to do what he does quickly.

“But I think Owen Farrell’s point here is correct.

“If you are asking the captain to speak to his team, I certainly wouldn’t restart time until I have given them time to line up in defence.

“The only reason they are in a huddle under the posts is you have told the captain to speak to his players and he puts time off for them to do that.

“So, you can’t put time back on then while they are still in the huddle.

“You are not giving them the time to line up to defend. It’s an unfair advantage.

“I would have allowed them to reset before I put time on. It’s only fair that you do that because you have asked them to go in the huddle in the first place.”
On Try 2:
The second contentious Wales try came on 29 minutes when the officials decided there had not been a knock on by Louis Rees-Zammit ahead of full-back Liam Williams touching down.

But Owens views the incident in a different light.

“It was definitely a knock on,” he said, elaborating on the points he made on S4C.

“You see situations sometimes where a player loses control of a ball and then kicks it before it hits the ground. Well, that’s still classed as a knock on.

“What the law says is if a player loses control of the ball forward, he must regain possession of it before it touches the ground or anybody else.

“So, in this case, Rees-Zammit definitely touches the ball and it travels forward on to his calf, then goes backwards and then comes off an England player.

“So it has travelled forward off his hand first and he fails to regain possession of it, which means it’s a knock on.

“If it hits his hand and goes backwards, then it’s play on.

“But it hits his hand, the ball is still travelling forward and then it hits his calf and goes backwards.

“So, in law, he loses control of the ball forward and then fails to regain possession of it before it touches the ground or anybody else, so it’s a knock on.

“If anybody wants an answer on it, look at Rees-Zammit’s face when they award the try.

“It’s 100 per cent a knock on.

“Listening to the TMO, he says he doesn’t see the ball go forward.

“That sounds to me like he doesn’t think the ball touched the hand.

“But when you look at it, it has definitely touched Rees-Zammit’s hand.

“If you lose control of the ball forward, you must regain possession of it for it not to be a knock on.

“It’s irrelevant that it’s gone backwards off his calf. The fact is it’s gone forward first before that. That is the key in that decision.

“Even if it went laterally down, it’s a knock on.”

Owens concluded: “So, to me, those two tries shouldn’t stand.”
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Arithmetically, that still gives us a 2pt win. Next.
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On the balance of probability I would say Nige is likely incorrect and so the Welsh had a very fair win.
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fatcat wrote: Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:18 pm On the balance of probability I would say Nige is likely incorrect and so the Welsh had a very fair win.
Yeah. After retirement, he's just turned into yet another welsh matchday troll.
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Two appalling calls from Gauzere, but Wales deserved the win.
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message #2527204 wrote: Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:49 pm
fatcat wrote: Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:18 pm On the balance of probability I would say Nige is likely incorrect and so the Welsh had a very fair win.
Yeah. After retirement, he's just turned into yet another welsh matchday troll.
Still reffing in the pro 14.
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And we French were robbed numerous times by you, Nigel.
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It’s not soccer Nige (even though you are right)
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I wonder how Nigel's ex-referee colleagues feel about him regularly slagging off their decisions in public?
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eldanielfire wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:17 am I wonder how Nigel's ex-referee colleagues feel about him regularly slagging off their decisions in public?
It was always about Nige.
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It went backwards off his cslf, moron.
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If Nige thinks it was a knock on I might have to have a rethink
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Flametop wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:20 am
eldanielfire wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:17 am I wonder how Nigel's ex-referee colleagues feel about him regularly slagging off their decisions in public?
It was always about Nige.
100%
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message #2527204 wrote: Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:49 pm
fatcat wrote: Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:18 pm On the balance of probability I would say Nige is likely incorrect and so the Welsh had a very fair win.
Yeah. After retirement, he's just turned into yet another welsh matchday troll.
Dairy farmer actually, but same thing.
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EverReady wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:44 am If Nige thinks it was a knock on I might have to have a rethink
You've done enough thinking for the week. Must be pooped out. Have a rest. Its for the best.
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The English are being too polite and sporting to say it, but I can.

They were sawn off twice. No doubt about it.

Would it have made a difference to the final result? That is inconclusive. But there is no doubt it made a big difference in the game.
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Oh well, the title was nice for a while but like all things, time to move on
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“the ball ... travels forward onto his calf”

Lol
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jdogscoop wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:29 am The English are being too polite and sporting to say it, but I can.

They were sawn off twice. No doubt about it.
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CrazyIslander wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:42 am It went backwards off his cslf, moron.
Has anybody said it didn’t?
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Mr Fedora wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:07 am “the ball ... travels forward onto his calf”

Lol
French refs.

"We have a deal."

That deal was to ignore the rules of the game.

Terrible. Fuvck 'em all off.
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jdogscoop wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:29 am The English are being too polite and sporting to say it, but I can.

They were sawn off twice. No doubt about it.

Would it have made a difference to the final result? That is inconclusive. But there is no doubt it made a big difference in the game.
Both contested tries came from playing advantage from very kickable penalties. You could argue taking the tries off but you’d have to add the 6 points back.
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Flametop wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:20 am
eldanielfire wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:17 am I wonder how Nigel's ex-referee colleagues feel about him regularly slagging off their decisions in public?
It was always about Nige.
True, but he was a great referee once. After around 2015 or so he turned into a self promoting business that was a significantly poorer referee.
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eldanielfire wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:09 pm
Flametop wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:20 am
eldanielfire wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:17 am I wonder how Nigel's ex-referee colleagues feel about him regularly slagging off their decisions in public?
It was always about Nige.
True, but he was a great referee once. After around 2015 or so he turned into a self promoting business that was a significantly poorer referee.
On his videos for World Rugby, where he answers rugby law related questions, he always reads out compliments he gets too.
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So he likes a little attention, he's had a hard time of it, let him enjoy :lol:
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Sefton wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:22 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:42 am It went backwards off his calf, moron.
Has anybody said it didn’t?
Then it's not a knock on. People equate this to the drop ball in front that includes an unintended kick which actually goes forward. That is a knock on because it falls forward. Not the same.
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CrazyIslander wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:03 pm
Sefton wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:22 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:42 am It went backwards off his calf, moron.
Has anybody said it didn’t?
Then it's not a knock on. People equate this to the drop ball in front that includes an unintended kick which actually goes forward. That is a knock on because it falls forward. Not the same.
It went forward off his hand. WTF has his calf got to do with it?
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CrazyIslander wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:03 pm
Sefton wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:22 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:42 am It went backwards off his calf, moron.
Has anybody said it didn’t?
Then it's not a knock on. People equate this to the drop ball in front that includes an unintended kick which actually goes forward. That is a knock on because it falls forward. Not the same.
You do know the player wasn’t standing still don’t you?
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message #2527204 wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:01 pm
CrazyIslander wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:03 pm
Sefton wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:22 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:42 am It went backwards off his calf, moron.
Has anybody said it didn’t?
Then it's not a knock on. People equate this to the drop ball in front that includes an unintended kick which actually goes forward. That is a knock on because it falls forward. Not the same.
It went forward off his hand. WTF has his calf got to do with it?
It only went forward so far as it went from one hand to another. When it left his hands it went backwards.
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eldanielfire wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:41 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:01 pm
CrazyIslander wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:03 pm
Sefton wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:22 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:42 am It went backwards off his calf, moron.
Has anybody said it didn’t?
Then it's not a knock on. People equate this to the drop ball in front that includes an unintended kick which actually goes forward. That is a knock on because it falls forward. Not the same.
It went forward off his hand. WTF has his calf got to do with it?
It only went forward so far as it went from one hand to another. When it left his hands it went backwards.
It was never in his hands, though. He knocked it forward and then was unable to gather it before it hit the ground.
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message #2527204 wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:48 pm
eldanielfire wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:41 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:01 pm
CrazyIslander wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:03 pm
Sefton wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:22 am

Has anybody said it didn’t?
Then it's not a knock on. People equate this to the drop ball in front that includes an unintended kick which actually goes forward. That is a knock on because it falls forward. Not the same.
It went forward off his hand. WTF has his calf got to do with it?
It only went forward so far as it went from one hand to another. When it left his hands it went backwards.
It was never in his hands, though. He knocked it forward and then was unable to gather it before it hit the ground.
Knock-on's are judged on the entirety of their actions. Ultimate it came backwards off his body.
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message #2527204 wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:01 pm
CrazyIslander wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:03 pm
Sefton wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:22 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:42 am It went backwards off his calf, moron.
Has anybody said it didn’t?
Then it's not a knock on. People equate this to the drop ball in front that includes an unintended kick which actually goes forward. That is a knock on because it falls forward. Not the same.
It went forward off his hand. WTF has his calf got to do with it?
Exactly.
That's the law.
It has to be played by his foot or re-gathered by him before hitting the ground
Otherwise, its a knock on.
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If it looks like a knock on, smells like a knock on, has the perpetrator looking to the heavens in disgust for knocking it on...

...it's a f**king knock on!
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Trostan wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:01 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:01 pm
CrazyIslander wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:03 pm
Sefton wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:22 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:42 am It went backwards off his calf, moron.
Has anybody said it didn’t?
Then it's not a knock on. People equate this to the drop ball in front that includes an unintended kick which actually goes forward. That is a knock on because it falls forward. Not the same.
It went forward off his hand. WTF has his calf got to do with it?
Exactly.
That's the law.
It has to be played by his foot or re-gathered by him before hitting the ground
Otherwise, its a knock on.
Only if it went forward when it hits the ground or another player.
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Could you guys please understand the difference between backwards and forward.
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Sefton wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:40 pm
CrazyIslander wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:03 pm
Sefton wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:22 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:42 am It went backwards off his calf, moron.
Has anybody said it didn’t?
Then it's not a knock on. People equate this to the drop ball in front that includes an unintended kick which actually goes forward. That is a knock on because it falls forward. Not the same.
You do know the player wasn’t standing still don’t you?
So?
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message #2527204 wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:01 pm
CrazyIslander wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:03 pm
Sefton wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:22 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:42 am It went backwards off his calf, moron.
Has anybody said it didn’t?
Then it's not a knock on. People equate this to the drop ball in front that includes an unintended kick which actually goes forward. That is a knock on because it falls forward. Not the same.
It went forward off his hand. WTF has his calf got to do with it?
His calf was the last part of his body that touched the ball before it hit the ground. That's the most important bit. From the calf it went backwards.
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Is Nige going to be a ref pundit now?
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MrDominator wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:09 am If it looks like a knock on, smells like a knock on, has the perpetrator looking to the heavens in disgust for knocking it on...

...it's a f**king knock on!
Couldn't find this in the World Rugby rule book.
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Floppykid wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:40 am Is Nige going to be a ref pundit now?
Already is. He's been on every post 6N weekend Scrum V show giving his ref review (which given the red cards and this weekend, has actually been useful).
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